Hedberg not excited about Thrashers’ offer

I just spoke Johan Hedberg as part of my preparation for the start of free agency on July 1.

The Thrashers goaltender, scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent in two days, categorized the on-going contract negotiations with the team. “I have not been excited about what they have offered. I hope they make another offer before July 1,” Hedberg said from Sweden.

Trying to keep you updated.

78 comments Add your comment

Sam

June 29th, 2010
6:57 pm

Sam

June 29th, 2010
6:58 pm

They need to keep Johan. He is an amazing goalkeeper. Does anyone else agree?

Not Blind

June 29th, 2010
7:00 pm

He did a lot for this team last year. Do we owe him something ?? I don’t know.

kracker

June 29th, 2010
7:07 pm

Enter your comments here

kracker

June 29th, 2010
7:08 pm

Well now that the habs have acquired the rights to Dan Ellis, maybe they will up the offer to Moose?

jack

June 29th, 2010
7:13 pm

WE NEED MOOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
I trust what Dudley has done so far, so I am sure he has a good backup plan, just really worried about his backup plan.. Moose please dont go.\\\\

jack

June 29th, 2010
7:14 pm

Chris thank you for the moose update.

mutton

June 29th, 2010
7:15 pm

He stated a year or two back that he wanted to be a part of this team turning itself around, but he is not a young goalie, and it isn’t wise to bank on that being the kind of year he turns in this year. If the hangup is dollars, management may not think he’s worth what some of the early 30’s backups get. If it’s length of term, even two years may be too much. Personally, I’d like to see him back for one year. The man is probably one of the best locker room presences this team has ever had, but unfortunately it may be time to move on. Either way, with the team or on his own, I wish him the best.

Brendan

June 29th, 2010
7:15 pm

Maybe the offer to Moose is subpar because they only want him at a discount or for a 1-year deal? My gut is telling me … that Dudley wants a young, but proven netminder. There will be UFA goalies out there on the market. Let’s see what we get. I love the Moose, but I just don’t think we can keep going to that well. He’s 37. And he stood on his head for us last season. Can we really count on a repeat performance? When Moose does retire, I hope that the Thrashers can find a spot for him somewhere within the organization. Hedberg is one of my favorite Thrashers of all-time.

Brendan

June 29th, 2010
7:17 pm

mutton, I’ll tell you this. I will never boo Moose Hedberg, if he arrives at Philips Arena in an enemy jersey. There’s no call for that. Hedberg is a class act.

Mike M

June 29th, 2010
7:20 pm

One good year out of four is not what the thrashers need in a goaltender. With the limited scoring ablity that is going to be a problem this year if they can attract a better goalie the thrashers realy need to. At 37 a career backup for the starter is a bad choice Pavs is no where near ready and he might only be of back up quality at the NHL level. It is time to let Hedberg go if ever their was a time to let some one test the free agent market it is now even if Atlanta wants him and I hope they don’t after he finds out how little he is worth he might sign for less. But in truth I do not think anyone else in the NHL will offer him a contract so I look to see him agree to this one soon.

Telfo

June 29th, 2010
7:36 pm

i am fine either way with Moose. There will be plenty of suitable replacements available

GaVaHokie

June 29th, 2010
7:40 pm

I’d rather have someone like Chris Mason that can carry a heavier load; continue to bring Pavalec along slowly until he steals the job, ala Tukko Rask.

jack

June 29th, 2010
7:45 pm

I say if we get rid of Moose then we get a number one goalie and make pavelec #2

TrueBlue

June 29th, 2010
7:53 pm

I honestly feel that it is about time to part ways with Moose. We need a consistent goalie that can serve as a # 1 until Pavelec can get some type of composure (will he ever?). Moose was far too inconsistent when called upon to play more then one or two nights a week.

jack

June 29th, 2010
8:03 pm

Good Point I just dont see pav is the answer, if we want to go to the playoffs. Maybe we can clean house in the goalie department if moose goes. It possible could be good for Pav. Thoughts???

Darkhorse

June 29th, 2010
8:18 pm

Chris-Really enjoyed the Ramsey story. Nice work…

Do you feel a trend developing with what it appears are underwhelming offers to our free agents so far? Just seems like the word on the street seems to be the same story for each guy, like Moose above. Do you get any indication this is a tactic Dudley is doing on purpose, or an issue with avalible money from the owners? Hope for the former, and that he knows what he’s doing. Can’t see anyone decent beating down our door come Thursday….

Don’t have a problem if Moose stays or goes. I prefer to see him become our goalie coach fulltime instead, but understand he still feels he has a few years left.

Mike M

June 29th, 2010
8:20 pm

That is a good point jack I still do not think Pavs will be ready to be starter any time soon. But, Moose is no help with developing young goaltenders. He has not played that many games outside of Atlanta and he seems to be more intrested in getting that number one job than helping out the team long term.

B. Thenet

June 29th, 2010
8:21 pm

Well we need another goalie who can be a 1 or 1a with Pavelec. I just do not see Hedberg repeating last season’s performance.

Sara

June 29th, 2010
8:23 pm

Based on all the comments Chris has been passing on, it seems like Dudley is being very cautious about the older FAs. And he should be. There’s talent in the pipeline and there is no reason to sign 30+ players to long-term contracts when they could and should be soon replaced by someone younger in the system. We need to stop being the retirement home of the NHL.

Barry

June 29th, 2010
8:25 pm

I echo B. Thenet’s statement. Who’s to say Moose can repeat the kind of year he had last season? Guys in their prime have a good chance to do so, but Moose is on the tail end of his career. I feel he would not have the same kind of season this upcoming one. I honestly think if Dudley and Moose can’t work out a deal there are still good goalies on the FA market that can serve as a #1 or #1a when times dictate him to play as such.

Mike M

June 29th, 2010
8:43 pm

I would almost prefer picking up a young questionable goalie sign him to a two year contract and try to develop him than keep Moose at least then they are working toward building a better team. In the end Moose will take what they offer because he has no where to go.

Thrasher

June 29th, 2010
8:48 pm

I think we need to stop making dumb decisions. We started them by letting Kari go. Now Kovy. Keep Moose and Ondrej and get your rears in gear suits!

gormer

June 29th, 2010
9:00 pm

Keep Moose, give him whatever he wants! Bring back Damian Rhodes to be our 1a keeper. Also lets bring back Kelly Buchburger and we will win the cup!!!

kracker

June 29th, 2010
9:02 pm

Mike M, Moose has the option of going home to Sweden to play.

Curly

June 29th, 2010
9:12 pm

The trend for underwhelming offers to our free agents is right on. With no playoffs the past two seasons, no one deserves a raise and Dudley is likely dishing out pay cuts. It’s time for accountability and pay for performance.

How many people here have had to take a pay cut the last 18 months?

Kovyoverrated

June 29th, 2010
9:29 pm

Keep Moose, trade Pavs, sign Nabokov.

KLS1

June 29th, 2010
10:27 pm

I’m ok with Moose and Pavs going into next year…other than Nabakov I don’t see any upgrades out there.

Darkhorse

June 29th, 2010
10:43 pm

I don’t have an issue with the lower offers as long as it’s about not overpaying for older talent, as some of you suggest. I just automatically raise an eyebrow that it may be due to cheap ownership when I read reports like this.

Jeff

June 29th, 2010
10:52 pm

Moose isn’t “excited” about the offer because they lowballed him. They’re just going through the motions with Hedberg and Kubina. This is a mistake that will likely cost them both players.

Anyway, I don’t think either Moose or Kubina will have trouble signing elsewhere in the NHL. They’re both coming off very solid seasons, Moose was great last season.

PS: If we lose Moose, we’ll miss him come playoff time the most, if we even get there. Moose is who I’d want in a seven game series, he’s at his best in the playoffs. He’s not “just a backup” when given a fair chance as the idiots around here say.

Seth

June 29th, 2010
11:02 pm

We need to keep Pavelec but not Hedberg..he is way to inconsistent he can go from being amazing one game to terrible the next..Pavelec is somewhat the same but he is young signs show he will grow out of it…I say let Hedberg go and go after a decent veteran goalie or we will once again not make the playoffs..not with our current goalie core anyway.

NHL Ready

June 29th, 2010
11:21 pm

I am waiting for July 1st to see if we pick up a real Goalie. Keeping my fingers and toes crossed. Like I said before invest the money in the money player spot and that is in Goal. We should have plenty of money since Kovy did not resign so spend it where in counts.

Wayne stuck in AL

June 30th, 2010
12:19 am

Any news on the Torchetti situation?

Norm Maracle

June 30th, 2010
1:36 am

Bring me back.

“All you need is Norm Maracle. All he neeeeeeeeeeeeeds is foooooooooood.”

Norm Maracle

June 30th, 2010
1:42 am

http://www.eishockey.info/eishockey/WebApp?cmd=displayArtikelSeite&artikel=19585

Norm can’t remember how to post links right now, but copy and paste that sucker so you can get a good look at a goalie who knows how to stay in shape. Waddell knew what he was doing, folks.

Norm Maracle

June 30th, 2010
1:43 am

Wow. Norm didn’t have to copy and paste. Time to eat another dozen crullers.

Jeff

June 30th, 2010
4:29 am

Seth is one of those I was talking about, he doesn’t know goaltending but he talks like he does anyway. I’ve always been annoyed by those that talk about a position they clearly don’t understand well. Furthermore, Hedberg was very good overall last season, and very consistent too. He’s one of the main reasons we almost made the playoffs.

Regarding Pavs, Pavelec truly isn’t even a solid back-up at this point. If he had been we’d made the playoff this past season. And personally, I seriously doubt Pavs ever becomes a true number one. I figure at best he’ll one day become good enough to split 50-50 with another NHL goalie. However, there’s nothing wrong with that either.

The Real Thrash

June 30th, 2010
8:08 am

Every year we have the same comments on these blogs about salaries. It’s always about jealousy. The players should accept whatever the club offers and be happy about it. This is as if the bloggers blame the players for having more freedom than they do. The players get to say yes or no and move on to a club that values their skills at a better worth. The bloggers are stuck in jobs they hate and are afraid to ask for a raise. “Those greedy players!”

Get over it! We have a team that low-balls contract offers every year. The players know it, the league knows it. We trade for players in the last year of contracts so we don’t have long term investment. See the players in the Chicago deal for the recurring theme. We are projected to have at least 16 million under the salary cap for 2010-2011.

Then instead of having a fan base that demands more from ownership we get a bunch of whiners and the type team we deserve.

sisu

June 30th, 2010
8:49 am

one thing to keep in mind, Pavs agent has not done many favors for this team so let’s see if he will agree to a deal here.

Brendan

June 30th, 2010
9:28 am

Sisu, I had forgotten that Pavelec is an un-signed RFA. But, I do feel confident that he will re-up here. If he took us to arbitration, I’m not so sure he’d like the decision. His best offer might just come from the Thrashers. And to request a trade … would make everyone uncomfortable. Though, Nathan Horton got out of Florida. Enough of that. The Frenzy is but a few short hours away. I don’t expect much activity from Atlanta on July 1. I’d look to July 2 or 3 for a signing.

Hockey Steve

June 30th, 2010
9:45 am

Any rumors on if Duds is targeting Nabokov??

Atlanta Spirit

June 30th, 2010
9:47 am

If you think we are going to give ANYONE a fair market offer, you haven’t been paying attention.

brg

June 30th, 2010
10:17 am

Nabby isnt comming to Atlanta. he wants to on a team that can contend right now, not in 2 years. Johan is playing the cards he was dealt and earned. and he is obviously confident that the thrashers would table another offer, since he prob. doesnt want to hit free agency with the goalie market so inflated with talent. now i like him, but anything more than an additional 500-750K would be overpaying.

Chris Vivlamore

June 30th, 2010
10:36 am

Thrashers just announced they have re-signed defenseman Noah Welch. It’s a two-way deal worth $550,000 in NHL, $105 in AHL.

KLS1

June 30th, 2010
10:44 am

We didn’t lowball Hainsey or Todd White and look what that got us, two contracts you will never be able to move…can’t have it both ways people.

Remember the Holik contract or Steve Rucchin?

Nobody is being lowballed, we are making offers based on need and other players available on the market.

Kubina may be an exception but the others have not stood out to command higher salaries from the Thrashers or anyone else in the leaue. Gotta win some playoff games if you are a middle of the road player and want to cash in a la Drury and Gomez.

gcs

June 30th, 2010
10:44 am

Here is the Atlanta Spirit negotiation handbook:
1. Make low-ball offers
2. Pray they don’t accept.
3. Watch as they sign elsewhere.
4. Tell the press, “we tried to sign him”.
5. Take early summer vacation.

.

jack

June 30th, 2010
10:46 am

Thanks Chris

GaVaHokie

June 30th, 2010
10:55 am

Dudley said he doesn’t budge much from his initial offers… so, if Hedberg doesn’t like the offer, don’t expect the situation to change much.

We’ve already seen Max, Kubina and Army get offers with no back and forth counter offers. So, I’m not expecting one for Moose either.

brg

June 30th, 2010
11:28 am

good depth signing in welch, if we lose Johan to free agency, i feel like Nitty from TB might be a great fit.

Chris Vivlamore

June 30th, 2010
11:29 am

More news: Dudley and Ramsay are talking to AHL Rockford coach Bill Peters about joining staff as an assistant coach.

jack

June 30th, 2010
11:34 am

Thanks Chris how does that relate to Torch.

World Be Free

June 30th, 2010
12:21 pm

I bet the issue with Kubina is term, not so much money. If this is the case, you have to ask yourself what kind of $4M/year defenseman will he be in 4 years? any footspeed? See Mattius Ohlund in Tampa Bay.

Lee

June 30th, 2010
12:33 pm

It’s noon!

jack

June 30th, 2010
12:44 pm

Congrats on Lee telling time. :)

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Seth

June 30th, 2010
1:15 pm

Jeff is probably the least knowledgeable person about hockey on this planet and should not even be allowed on this blog..he is making a fool of himself. Lets go with the facts. Heberg is 37 years old. HE did have 21 wins but that only got him 25th ranked in the league. He did not rank better than 20th in the league in Games Played, Wins, Loses, Overtime Loses, Goals Allowed, Saves, Shots Against, Shut Outs, and Minutes. So how in the world can you say he had a good season if he only ranked in the top 15 of all goalies in Penalty minutes and one good stat Save Percentage (only because he faced 50 shots a game)..Look i give it to Hedberg he is good but he is not great by any means..And what have the thrashers not had in the past seasons in which they have not made the playoffs. They have had the offense ( Kovalchuck, Hossa, Heatly) They have had the defenses ( Colburn, Kubina, Enstrom) but they have lacked a good, solid, CONSISTENT, goaltender every year..So Jeff dont tell me i dont know anything about the position because i have played it before and also i have played hockey for over 10 years..They only thing you play with is yourself..

Mike M

June 30th, 2010
2:58 pm

It is true that Hedberg has benefited from a better defense than in years past and while the shots on goal are still a little high the quality of those shooting opportunities has to be considered. The fact that the Thrasher had at least one center that plays a little defense is a big part of the equation also. With more players that can press the offense goalies do not have to work as hard and in this case Hedberg came out smelling like a rose. But you must look at his entire body of his work. In nine seasons in the NHL he has had one that he ranked in the top 15 goaltenders in save percentage. It is unlikely that at 37 he has hit his stride and is going to improve. No let him play in Sweden where the frozen little children can watch this “big time NHL goaltender” play out his final years while they eat pickled fish or what ever they do at games. Here Hedberg is not a has-been Hedberg is a neverwas.

Smoothie

June 30th, 2010
3:31 pm

C-Viv, thanks for the article to update things from Rick Dudley’s point of view, but I think I’m a bit confused thanks to the typo below. Can you clarify the second sentence? Are you saying we are close to re-signing one or two of the UFA’s? Or are we trading someone’s rights? Running out of time for such a deal to be made. Thanks for the help!

“It may be the 15-plus goal scorer that general manager Rick Dudley still covets. It will definitely involve in the nine players from last season’s team who will become unrestricted free agents.”

Sage of Bluesland

June 30th, 2010
4:07 pm

“…Then instead of having a fan base that demands more from ownership we get a bunch of whiners and the type team we deserve.”

Truer words have never been typed on this blog. I’d like to add (alongside “whiners”) the word, “enablers”…or whatever the proper word is for those who continuously make excuses for poor performance.

You get what you pay for–and you get what you deserve. I stopped paying a long, long time ago.

I encourage you too, as well.

Midfield

June 30th, 2010
4:15 pm

I wonder if Dudley’s criterion “may be good but dumb as a sack of hammers” applies to goaltender position as well.

For the Record

June 30th, 2010
4:41 pm

C’mon Sage (Mini-Wad)….Surely you can tell everyone the TRUTH about why you stopped paying to go to Thrashers games so long ago, can’t you?

It’s simply because Don Waddell didn’t respond to your 3 e-mails you sent him 10 years ago. THAT’S THE ONLY REASON you’ve refused to attend a Thrashers game in the past 10 years! So if you’re going to encourage others to not go to games (which is what you live to do), then at least man up and tell everyone WHY you don’t go. “Subsidizing incompetence” is just a mind frig you put on yourself and tell others in an effort to justify your unending anger at Don Waddell for ignoring your dumb e-mails.

If he had responded to your e-mails 10 years ago, you two would probably be BFF now…..And that’s the truly frightening thought of the day. Of course, you’d still be Mini-Wad, but just a Waddell Puppet of a different kind……

As for goalie, Duds has a plan if he’s letting Moose walk. Wouldn’t be surprised if it comes in the form of a trade. If not, the FA market is awash with decent goalies. We’ll be fine.

Lee

June 30th, 2010
5:07 pm

Jack-Haha. I thought it was July 1st then like five minutes ago I realized it was June 28. :)

Lee

June 30th, 2010
5:08 pm

jack

June 30th, 2010
5:28 pm

keep sending us back him time. I like your methodology

Hockey Steve

June 30th, 2010
6:03 pm

Sage, if well all stop paying to go to Thrasher games, then the team will have no choice but to pack up and move to Canada. Is that what you want?

What will you do with all your time without a Thrashers message board to spew your bitter nonsense on? Disney World?

EB

June 30th, 2010
6:18 pm

I wasn’t very excited with all the games we had leads in and he let slip away, granted Pavs did the same thing but at least Moose should have the experience to be better at holding leads. Not sure what kind of money he thinks he’s worth but we need the talent of a Dan Ellis over Moose right now.

Get The Puck Out

June 30th, 2010
7:20 pm

The Spirit Boy’s aint gonna spend no money on hockey. Look what they offered Joe Johnson. Six years at $119 million. Ain’t gonna be anything left if he takes it.

TrueBlue

June 30th, 2010
7:47 pm

LET HIM GO!!!!

As Kevin Allen just tweeted: Is it just me, or is Hedberg playing with fire by pushing Atlanta for more dollars? Don’t see anywhere else where he can compete to be No. 1

I would prefer if we had another goalie….Again, HEDBERG WILL NOT REPEAT THE SEASON HE HAD LAST YEAR!!!

Jimbo

June 30th, 2010
8:08 pm

Alright, Hedberg is a classy guy and has been a real assset to a team that has not made the playoffs. But, he is 37 and has always been classified as a “serviceable NHL back-up”. Time to build around someone else.

Chris Vivlamore

June 30th, 2010
8:39 pm

Smoothie: I think something got changed. I’ll look into it. The meaning is the roster is about to change. Thrashers may be add a player, but nine will definitely hit the open market.

Chris Vivlamore

June 30th, 2010
8:46 pm

Smoothie: Thanks. Extra word (in) now deleted. You get an assist.

kracker

June 30th, 2010
9:33 pm

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Smoothie

June 30th, 2010
10:56 pm

C-Viv, got it! Thanks for clarifying. I’m still holding out some hope for Kubina for continuity’s sake in the locker room, but I’m not going to gnash my teeth too badly if he moves on for more money. Just the nature of the business. I just hope we do add a low-cost D-man for additional competition and insurance for Kulda and Valabik. Perhaps a Shaone Morrisonn or Jay McKee if we go real cheap.

Brendan

July 1st, 2010
12:36 am

Chris Vivlamore, I have loved the pieces on Craig Ramsay that you have done. Thanks. I really think the Thrashers got the right guy.

Brendan

July 1st, 2010
1:01 am

gcs, that 10:44 am comment had me in stitches. http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-thrashers-blog/2010/06/29/hedberg-not-excited-about-thrashers-offer/comment-page-1/#comment-15153.

Hockey Steve, I’ve been reading Sage of Bluesland’s stuff for a long time, and rightly or wrongly, Sage has stated that his position is not to force the team to relocate, but rather, to force them to make positive changes. You can hash it out with him whether or not you think his ideology is flawed. But, uhh, I doubt it’ll change his mind. I’ve never seen Sage change his tune in six or more years.

Not to take any sides here, but it wasn’t just Sage of Bluesland who screamed for changes after the 2007 sweep at the hands of the Rangers. Several of the posters and bloggers you see here, on this very message board, called for the kinds of changes that we are finally now beginning to see, over 3 years ago. No one was talking about relocating the team, other than the Chicken Little, “The sky is falling!” types. The people who realize this team isn’t leaving prior to 2019 also saw, even back in 2007, that change was necessary. But none came. Waddell lingered at a time that screamed for a complete overhaul of management/personnel.

I don’t know if it’s just ‘wishful thinking’ on my part, (and it probably is,) to think that had a new GM and new Heach Coach and new scouts come to power back in 2007, that we might still have Hossa and Kovalchuk, etc., etc. Really, speaking honestly and from my heart as as I ALWAYS do, I doubt that Hossa and Kovy could have been retained, due to the Spirit still owning the team. That counts, too. Let’s say Dudley and Ramsay do a great job. Still with me? But when contracts come due, if the Spirit doesn’t pony up, then the players are gone. Now, I hear ya. “Give these players a reason to believe there could be a Silver trophy sitting at Center Ice for them, watch them take a discount.” Yeah, that happens in Detroit, and markets like Detroit. Buffalo is a great hockey market that drafts well and develops talent well. I further think Darcy Regier is a decent enough General Manager, but the Sabres’ ownership is inept and won’t pay to retain players. It is seemingly their view that the constant windfall of the draft can replace the Brieres, Drurys, Campbells, Tallinders, Lydmans, Dumonts, of their roster. Players don’t simply ignore that. They see Buffalo, and markets like Buffalo, as a temporary stop on their trip around the NHL, since they cannot get either (1) the pay day or (2) the commitment necessary to win the Cup from ownership.

Trash

July 1st, 2010
10:36 am

gcs’s commet is ALL TOO TRUE !!!! Sadly . . .

Ken Klibaner

July 1st, 2010
1:55 pm

The Thrashers have always shafted their goalies. I was an original season ticket holder, and after facing 45+ shots per night, the geniouses at the Thrashers tried to hard ball Milan Hnilckca. The same thing happened with our greatest goalie Pasi Nurminin the next year. Until a stake is driven through Don Waddell’s heart, this will always be the case.
Waddell Must Die

Brendan

July 2nd, 2010
9:38 pm

Ken Klibaner, don’t hold back. Let it all pour out. I remember Milan Hnlicka. Waddell wound up paying half his $1.5 million salary to watch him play for the L.A. Kings ($750,000). But, in fairness, Hnilicka did not have the stellar year he had back in 2001. Pasi blew out his knee, practicing for the Finnish National team. Had he not done that, Pasi and Kari would have been the 1-2 punch in net for Atlanta, for the 2005-06 season. Instead, it wound up Kari-Dunham-Shields-Berkhoel-Garnett. Bygones.