Updated: Thrashers select Burmistrov

With the No. 8 overall pick, the Thrashers selected Alexander Burmistrov.

I wanted to get this up, so you folks can talk about it. I will update after talking to GM and selection.

UPDATE: Dudley was really good talking about Burmistrov. Here’s the transcript of our quick phone interview:

“We look for three things in our players – character, intellect or hockey sense and speed. He’s got all three. He probably ranks a nine (out of 10) in all three of those categories. He’s probably the smartest player in the draft. If he’s not the smartest he’s one of the two or three smartest in the draft. He has wonderful skills.”

“He played on an extremely good team in Canada and became a speed guy very quickly there. He took most, if not all, of the defensive zone draws. In any kind of critical game or situation, he was the guy that was out there defensively. He’s also a great offensive player. There is so much to like about this player. We’ve liked him from the start of the year and it went up as the season went along because he got better. Great penalty killer. He’s got all kinds of great grit and character. He’s a kid that was 160 pounds when the season ended and he’s now 175 pounds. He understands where he has to go perfectly. I have to tell you, if he gets to 195 pounds, he could be very, very special. He reminds on a lot of Datsyuk in Detroit and that’s high praise. He’s actually got the kinds of skills that a player like that has and the I.Q. that a player like that has on the ice.”

“We targeted this player from Day One and we had some offers to move down in the draft. We didn’t think where those offers came would guarantee that we would get this player. If we knew for sure if we dropped [Burmistrov would be available], we probably might have done something. But we were not going to go by this player and have someone take him a few picks later. We weren’t going to let that happen.”

“I actually think he will compete for a roster spot. There are two factors. He’s not a big man yet, he’s now 175 he might be 185 by the time training camp rolls around. But the two things are the ability and the hockey sense. I got to believe that when Craig Ramsay watches this kid in training camp, he’s going to be excited. He’s one of those players that you can tell understands what he needs to do immediately. He reads so well with the puck and distributing the puck. He’s a pretty complete player.”

When I asked about his previous comments about wanting to get into the second round on Saturday, he said simply: “I expect we will have a second-round pick tomorrow.”

For those keeping score, at least I am, he was one of the five I said could go to the Thrashers.

Here is the capsule I did on Burmistrov:

Alexander Burmistrov

Position: center

Age: 18

Height: 5-11

Weight: 157

Team: Barrie, Ontario Hockey League

Last year’s stats: Scored 22 goals for Barrie. Finished regular season with 65 points (43 assists) in 62 games. Also had 16 points (eight goals, eight assists) in 17 playoff games. Represented Russia at the Junior World Championships, scoring four points (three goals, one assist).

Rank: No. 11 among North American skaters by Central Scouting; No. 12 in TSN rankings

Central Scouting report: “He’s like a water spider out there on the ice. Light on his feet, but he’s got a venomous strike like a snake when he goes on the offense. Speed and agility, great fakes and he’ll bring players, fans, alike out of their seats. I’d compare him with a [Alexei] Kovalev, [Sergei] Samsonov or [Maxim] Afinogenov.” — E.J. McGuire

150 comments Add your comment

Telfo

June 25th, 2010
8:27 pm

i like it. though i think we could have moved down and still gotten him a few picks later

RazorCatchPrey

June 25th, 2010
8:28 pm

Gut reaction is that this is a disaster. How do you pass up Fowler AND Campbell for a Russian who might stay in the KHL for his entire career? Dudley just can’t stand to be predictable and it just shot us in the foot.

Big Shooter isn’t around a computer right now but passes along his despair as well.

Telfo

June 25th, 2010
8:29 pm

he already plays in the CHL. no chance he goes to the KHL

Goalies this high are a risk and we have a TON of defense prospects

Bobo-bogosian

June 25th, 2010
8:34 pm

we needed a center like this, hes god a high hockey IQ and is defensivly aware. give him a year or 2 and gain some weight and he would be a solid 3rd line center. agreed we could have moved down but we couldnt risk him going earlier. When Niederrider(sorry for the spelling) went then we didnt have much options and he was the best thing left. Dudley had to play the hand he was dealt and did fine. his skillset comparison is that of Pavel Datsuyk

Tincup9

June 25th, 2010
8:39 pm

burrito

June 25th, 2010
8:51 pm

The only thing that scares me is that DW was there and on the phone. I hope he isn’t having actual “input” into any move this organization makes. I trust in Duds, he’s built two Cup winners while fans of the Thrahers and DW haven’t built any.

Sara

June 25th, 2010
8:53 pm

Found this article out of Barrie on Burmistrov – quite good.

http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id=3000711

Afinogenov

June 25th, 2010
8:53 pm

Ya, Burmistrov reminds me of a young me. Good pick. Let him skate wild behind big Buff like a wylie scatback behind a pulling guard. Sell THAT to the SEC crowd and Philips will rock.

da' boomer

June 25th, 2010
8:56 pm

I almost wept when I saw D-wadds ugly mugg at the draft table. I pray that he was only there because they had any empty seat to fill and had NOTHING to do with the selection.
Sort of like the pick. Let’s get this kid some biscuits and gravy and fatten him up a little.

KICKSAVE

June 25th, 2010
8:57 pm

@RCP,DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU SPOUTOFF! THIS KID STATED THAT HIS DREAM WAS/IS TO PLAY HIS CAREER IN THE NHL NOT IN RUSSIA!! HE’S A DIFFERENT KIND OF RUUSKEE!!

KICKSAVE

June 25th, 2010
9:01 pm

THANK YOU SARA FOR THAT STORY!! IT PROVE’S WHAT I SAID WAS TRUE IN A STORY I HAD READ EARLIER!!

Tincup9

June 25th, 2010
9:03 pm

Nice link Sara, thank you

Dunwoody_joe

June 25th, 2010
9:04 pm

Nice choice but looks like he’s going back to Russia: http://www.thescoutingreport.org/12-alexander-burmistrov-2010-scouting-report/

How do the Thrashers pass on Gormley or Fowler?

DrewDawg

June 25th, 2010
9:05 pm

This was a freakin gift with Cam Fowler still on the board and we blew it!

Big Shooter

June 25th, 2010
9:05 pm

Oh thank, according to one comment, we picked a guy who could be a solid 3rd line center with the #8 pick. If you honestly believe that is how to use a top 10 pick… A third line center? Don’t know what to say. I don’t know what he will turn out to be. A third liner… or more or less than that. All I know is we passed on the best defenseman in the draft and the best goalie. Nobody can convince me we are SOOO good we can’t still take the best player available. Fail. Hope I’m wrong and if so will gladly say it. Time will tell. Everyone still in love with ‘Duds’?

Chris

June 25th, 2010
9:12 pm

That National Post story is a good write-up of Burmistrov here.

I like the pick after reading that.

Big Shooter

June 25th, 2010
9:13 pm

Kicksave – RCP can’t be bothered with homework!! Come on man, are you crazy!!!

KICKSAVE

June 25th, 2010
9:20 pm

THIS PICK KINDA ANSWER’S THE 1 YEAR OFFER TO MAXIM AFIN. OR AM I WRONG??!!

Collin

June 25th, 2010
9:23 pm

This kid is going to be a player, exactly the kind of player we need on this team. I trust Dudley with any pick he makes, he has scouted this crop of prospects more than probably anyone…. gotta love it.

Paminski

June 25th, 2010
9:24 pm

Bah. Burnt out on Russians.

DrumMaster

June 25th, 2010
9:25 pm

East Point Bob

June 25th, 2010
9:27 pm

Disaster from the start… We will never see this kid in Atlanta, and why did we pass on the two solid D-Men ? Guess it was because Waddell is still running the sinking ship. This was a complete disaster and a wasted pick.

BlueSpark

June 25th, 2010
9:43 pm

So where will Burmistrov be next season? Rumors say KHL, and as I understand it he can’t play in the AHL since he played in the CHL (you need to be 20 or have 4 years of CHL).

So it’s OHL or KHL?

Joe Friday

June 25th, 2010
10:00 pm

Never pass on the best available player and make a reach for need (center).
That has waddell written all over it.

With waddell out here and at the table working the phones, is there anyone left still suffering under the delusion that he’s not still in charge?

Matt the Brave

June 25th, 2010
10:01 pm

Oh wow, the AJC actually had something up on the front page. Granted, you had to really search for it, but amazing!

Honestly, do you think that the Thrashers would be more palatable to Atlantans if the AJC would actually support them like they do the Dawgs, Falcons, Braves, and Hawks?

Afinogenov

June 25th, 2010
10:07 pm

you people would have said, ” that Wayne Gretzky guy is too small and looks like a nine year old. Won’t amount to a hill of beans. “

tyrone shoelaces

June 25th, 2010
10:07 pm

“I think I’m a different player, not the same as many Russian guys,” Burmistrov says. “I play tough. I look like I’m skinny, but on the ice I’m strong.”

Kids got chops

Collin

June 25th, 2010
10:07 pm

Joe.. a reach? This kid is a major talent, he was the best player available but only dropped to us because he is Russian.. well Dudley does his homework, he knows the kid wants to play in the NHL more than anything.

Sara

June 25th, 2010
10:13 pm

Joe Friday – given how far Gormley and Fowler fell, a lot of GMs decided to go for need over best available.

JR

June 25th, 2010
10:15 pm

who announced the thrashers’ pick? is dudley publicity shy?

Sara

June 25th, 2010
10:17 pm

JR – pretty sure that was Dan Marr, our head scout. And yes, Dudley is.

Duder

June 25th, 2010
10:20 pm

Sara is correct.

sisu

June 25th, 2010
11:16 pm

I think we should have taken MIKAEL GRANLUND instead, he has been compared to Saku Koivu, Jari Kurri and Teemu Selanne…hope this works out….

JSS

June 25th, 2010
11:24 pm

If he wins draws like Datsuk used to during Detroit’s run; he is ahead of the game… Speed is never a bad thing!

Chainshaw

June 25th, 2010
11:29 pm

Sisu – Are you still in a haze from that huge plate of fried food that you just ate? This was a great pick.

Brendan

June 25th, 2010
11:30 pm

As long as this Burmistrov actually comes here, and signs here, unlike Ilya Nikulin (apologies for the mere mentioning of his name), then this could be a very nice pick. Of course, I have to wonder … does he play defense, too? As long as the answer is, “yes,” I’ll be satisfied. I don’t ask him to be a Selke candidate.

I do agree, however, with Joe Friday and others who opined, “How do you pass on the best available player at your draft position?” This is my philosophy, right or wrong. If I had 4 All-star Centers, and Wayne Gretzky’s name is still on the board when I pick, I take Gretzky at the draft,” as an overexaggeration of the point. My draft day philosophy is … “Take the best available player, irrespective of need, based on draft position.” Obviously, there are exceptions to that rule. Those exceptions PROVE the rule. But it’s not a hard and fast rule.

The way I see this is … a Center is bound to get here faster than a blueliner. That’s just how it goes. If this kid can make it in the NHL, with all the attributes that Dudley claims, then how can I be disapointed? But if he opts for a career elsewhere, and I don’t care where the ELSEWHERE is, then this is blown pick, and must be declared as such. Stop. We’re not there, yet. He very well may come and play here, and do well here. And if so, CREDIT must be given to the organization for this decision. Likewise, if he doesn’t, let there not be ’sugarcoating’ of the events that took place today. Cam Fowler was on the board, at pick # 8.

For me, my fear was that Dudley would trade the pick. He didn’t do that. So, I am clapping. It was right to pick at # 8. Time will tell if Atlanta got the best player, or if … in 20/20 hindsight, we missed out on some gems. Because “drafting is an inexact science,” I factor in ‘totality of circumstance’ when making the evaluation, years down the road. Back in 1999, I didn’t think that we’d blown the 1st overall pick with Stefan. Could we have wound up with one of the Sedins instead?, “Sure, it’s possible,” but it seemed clear that Henrik and Daniel wanted to play together. So, maybe Sedin never signs, and re-enters the draft?” I chalk that one up to ‘misfortune.’ But it didn’t seem ‘utterly stupid’ at the time. Segue to the 2005 draft, that seemed stupid to keep moving backwards. I advocated taking a shot at # 8, even if it turned out badly. In 2002, I never thought a goaltender selection was wise, when “equal or better talent” was there for the taking, that could be ready to play quicker than Lehtonen.

Since the Draft isn’t over yet, I cannot and will not assign Dudley/Waddell a grade. Let’s see what tomorrow holds. Then let’s see what we did in terms of qualifying offers to RFAs Little, Bergfors, Pavelec, Mannino, Eager, etc.

Warren Shaw

June 25th, 2010
11:31 pm

Cam Fowler is a great prospect but I have to trust Dudley to fill in the holes that have the biggest leaks. The Thrashers need a centerman badly and this kid can play hockey. I liked Connolly but since he wasn’t available by the time Atlanta selected, Alexander Burmistrov wasn’t a bad choice.

B. Thenet

June 25th, 2010
11:35 pm

We have needed an elite C in the system for a long time. I like the pick.

kovyarmy

June 25th, 2010
11:58 pm

This was a great pick. Even with Fowler on the board and Campbell (who I find way more tempting) we were taking a foward. We have a bunch leaving as FA, traded Morin and that was our least deep position in the minors. A wing actually would have been more ideal. This kid kills penalties, takes every big face off and can fly up the ice. Here is a quote from an interview from Hockey Futures 14 games into the Barrie season, they interviewd him in russian and translated. I don’t have a secret, I simply dream about playing in the NHL and the last two seasons in Russia I tried playing in North American hockey style, it helped me adapt to the Canadian style. This says it all. This kid is going to be special.

alex

June 26th, 2010
12:09 am

we undestand that a a risk pick (remember nikulin) on other hand i think if last name this kid been instead of burmistrov something like “burney” he might be ranked above fowler. beliving dud, but need also little luck. hope this going to work perfectly.

Wayne stuck in AL

June 26th, 2010
12:12 am

Any news on the assistant coach situation?

Yeov Littlefaith

June 26th, 2010
12:30 am

Seriously people…. chill.

Getting your nads tied in a knot over things that haven’t yet happened (like Burmistrov opting to play in Russia or not living up to everything that everyone in the know has to say about him… or even Dudley screwing up his first Thrasher draft for that matter) will move up the expiration date on your birth certificate.

Dr. Littlefaith recommends that, for the sake of your health, you subscribe to the following health regimen:

1) Keep things in perspective (hockey is a sport… you know, entertainment)

2) Because hockey is entertainment, chill and let the people newly in charge of your favorite entertainment franchise fail first… then throw them under the bus

3) Let go of your desire to see DW’s head on a stake outside Philips arena

4) Embrace the positive vibes that are resonating in Blueland. Being positive doesn’t mean you’re weak… really!

Dan

June 26th, 2010
12:34 am

great pick by dudley…. alex will sign here and i really do think he makes the team. one more foward and a goalie and we are ready to go… i have a feeling ponikarovski is coming here….

alex

June 26th, 2010
12:40 am

sorry, but i want to add. you all thrashers draft experts. check please all mr “sulky” picks for last 3 – 4 years, before he got promotion to president. i think no russian been taken even in late rounds just 0, because he got scared to dead with nikulin and zubarev. so my opinion this pick is purely duds maybe with don in opposition (check his face on the stage). will see what happens. go thrashers

Gordie H.

June 26th, 2010
12:55 am

kracker

June 26th, 2010
1:17 am

Sara – Deliciously understated but lethal jinger – yeah, all those GMs were all wrong! For how many picks? 10 or 12?

kracker

June 26th, 2010
1:18 am

sry – should read zinger

Acer

June 26th, 2010
5:28 am

I support those people who think that Burmistrov wasn’t the BPA at this point. My
biggest issue with this pick is the relative lack of upside. Burmistrov isn’t projected to be a difference maker + it will take 5-7 years before he starts producing. All under the consideration that he’ll play in the NHL and come over (and not leave within 2-4 years.)

Vladimir Tarasenko was the best Russian in this draft. I take him over Burmistrov.

Dudley should have traded down or taken Granlund at 8.

Putting On The Foil

June 26th, 2010
6:31 am

Once the Isles took Niederreiter, I thought this was the next best pick. Feed this kid some good ole Ga. cooking fatten him up and he may surprise the naysayers.

Season Ticket Sonny

June 26th, 2010
7:39 am

One name to always keep in mind: DON WADDELL.

The Real Thrash

June 26th, 2010
7:46 am

Waddell was there because he hasn’t gone anywhere. His fingerprints are all over this.

Iceman

June 26th, 2010
7:47 am

Looks like a good pick.

KLS1

June 26th, 2010
7:57 am

did dudley say he thought this kid could play this year?

Collin

June 26th, 2010
8:15 am

Yes Dudley said if the kid came into camp a little heavier he could compete for a spot right away because he has very high Hockey IQ and a ton of skill.

Just Curious

June 26th, 2010
8:47 am

This kid is gutsy, talented, fast, smart, fearless and has a dream to play in the NHL….So exactly where are Waddell’s fingerprints on THIS draft pick? Isn’t this actually the perfect “Anti-Waddell” pick, as in the kind of pick Waddell would never make?

Atticus

June 26th, 2010
9:13 am

As long as the ASG owns the Thrashers and Hawks….drafts, trades, signings, hirings of coaches……all of this is completley irrelevant.

Midifeld

June 26th, 2010
9:35 am

Dudley: The key to my decision was our thorough assessment concluding that Burmistrov is not dumb as a sack of hammers.

Spud Webb

June 26th, 2010
9:40 am

Hey, I don’t know much about this kid, can anyone comment on his chances of him helping us this year? Or is he a year or 2 away from being up with the big club???

DB

June 26th, 2010
9:49 am

Some of you people would gripe if we drafted Crosby and traded for Ovie. And I’m not comparing this pick to either. Just try and maintain a little perspective. We have a number of high quality dmen and goalies in our system. We have a need for centers and wingers. AB was the best available at that point. Drafting for dmen or goalies would be an absolute waste of a pick.

World Be Free

June 26th, 2010
9:51 am

You can’t teach skill. Just pretend he doesn’t have a Russian last name cause he does not play like your average selfish Russian. Remember folks, Slava Kozlov is just as Russian as this kid and most of us have alotta respect for Slava.

HookyBob

June 26th, 2010
9:59 am

Interesting,…a different kind of Russian player (self-proclaimed none-the-less). Does he still bring the Russian skills? If AB, or Burmie, or whatever you call him, brings anything like Datsuyk it’ll be very good. If he is physical, and plays with an attitude, albeit smallish, that’ll be very good (thinking AO). Speed, that’ll be very good (Max brought me out of my seat more than a few times). Takes D-zone face-offs, plays on PK, fearless,..goes into the corners,..if the hype is true, his game is strong where Ilya’s was weak. That is a different type of Russian player,….. and a very good pick for us.

If he chooses to play in the homeland,….worse than ungood. If Russian players think of any NHL team as the Russian equivalent of “Siberia” which franchise might it be? The KHL now gives them a viable plan B on where to play.

So looks like a good pick if he stays in the west,..a big miss if he goes home.

Fan from Carolina

June 26th, 2010
10:00 am

Good pick! Not worried about size. He will grow just like Stamkos down in Tampa. If he turns out even half as well, a very good pick!

Get The Puck Out

June 26th, 2010
10:03 am

I think Dudley has a little more experience at this than anyone on this blog. You can’t say how good or bad this draft pick is until it’s camp time. Maybe he’ll suprise us. Chill.

A27

June 26th, 2010
10:03 am

Looks like a good pick to me….I guess we will find out in a couple of years. I.D.W.T!!!

Lee

June 26th, 2010
10:07 am

I trust Dudley. He made great picks in the past, and this one shouldn’t be any different. Drop the puck.

Morrus

June 26th, 2010
10:21 am

Curiously, in a supposed anti-incumbent year, most of the departing are not retiring but seeking higher office. We may recycle more than we replace. The bad news is that a frustrating 114 seats still have but one contestant. Two of them aren’t even incumbents, meaning they will affect state policy without being vetted by voters. And I have to think that we’d be better off if many had run instead for the Legislature — and cut down on the number running unopposed. Georgia’s problems are numerous. They aren’t going away. There’s too much stale thinking at the Capitol, on both sides of the aisle. New voices would be welcome.

RS

June 26th, 2010
10:30 am

Russians usually don’t (Radulov excluded) leave the NHL for the KHL. It’s when you try and send them to the AHL and their pay gets cut by 90% that the KHL becomes a better option for them.

And as far as “coming over”, he’s already here. I have a feeling that the chance of playing for the Thrashers next year is a little carrot that Dudley is dangling to keep him focusing on just that for the rest of the summer.

Smoothie

June 26th, 2010
10:39 am

First off, for those who couldn’t attend the draft party, great turnout (at least a thousand peeps) and Bogo and Kaner were quite gracious not to mention excited in their comments about the trade and Big Buf. Bogo is completely jacked and it looks like he has already added 10 – 15 more lbs of muscle in off-season workouts. And while Evander hasn’t added that much, he looks more mature all-around since the start of last season. But Bogo is a beast.

Anyway, I think folks will be more than pleasantly surprised when prospect camp comes along and you see him on the ice in person. His skating is very elusive and his change of pace and deceptive change of pace when cutting / juking is very eerily reminisent of Mad Max. But reportedly he’s more physical and defensively astute like Datsyuk.
From the limited youtube video there is, it is obvious he has mad skills and the ability to break ankles and then control the puck once inside the blueline. Scouts say he has great vision and anticipation and his passing is impeccable. And if you ask me, he’s exactly the type of skill guy we need coming up thru the system as a top 6 or top line center.

Lastly, he really must be good in the F/O circle cuz his Russian natl coach gave him countless def zone F/O in the tourney and his tourney win percentage was very respectable at 53.

OmniFan

June 26th, 2010
10:43 am

Burmistrov making the 2010-2011 roster sounds at first like the smoke and mirrors DWads used to like to spew. But consider this- Evander Kane’s weight at draft time in ‘09 was listed in the low to mid 170s. Kane’s game was and is a power forward’s. He nonetheless managed to stick and had a creditable rookie year. Burmistrov’s game is more speed and evasion- if he can beef up as much as Evander did in his post-draft summer, making the team seems not so far-fetched. Should make prospect camp and training camp all the more interesting.

Cliff Fletcher

June 26th, 2010
10:51 am

Guys and gals, Dudley is not Waddell. Please stop making the Dudley to Waddell and Waddell to Dudley comparisons. They know and respect each other, but beyond that these 2 guys do not carry the same resumes.

Waddell said things that other GMs have said in the past. In most cases, what he said did not work out and that is why we have Dudley. I don’t care what position Don has in the organization, Dudley is the hockey guy and that’s that. It’s like talking about an old girlefirend over and over when you have moved on to another “steady” date. I am sure your new mate doesn’t like it much, so cut it out.

Tim

June 26th, 2010
11:00 am

Most of you people just spout pessimism because you’d hate to lose your credibility… you’d hate to be a sheep. Newsflash… negativity makes you a sheep in these parts partner.

This kid is not a “self-proclaimed” “different kind of Russian player”. He’s been proclaimed such by virtually every expert who has seem him play. There’s no chance of him playing in Russia because his dream is to play in the NHL. If his dream was to play in the KHL, he wouldn’t be playing junior hockey in Canada.

Because he’s Russian and because players like Kovalchuk and to a lesser extent Ovechkin, have significant holes that have been exposed, he and every other Russian prospect is going to be undervalued.

So, be positive… it’s okay, we won’t think you any less cool. Be positive because there’s no real reason to be negative with this pick. A very good case can be made that it fits the needs of the team better than more young d-men or goalies.

The biggest and most important reason to be positive is that Dudley has so far earned your support.

If you can’t find a reason to be positive about the Thrashers right now, you should stick to sitting on your porch with a shotgun, keeping kids off your lawn. Frankly, if you can’t be positive right now it’s because you’re jaded and you don’t want to be positive… and maybe angst makes you happy.

I would suggest taking a chill pill and actually waiting for Dudley to screw something up before throwing him under the bus… you’ll live longer with that philosophy.

Cliff Fletcher

June 26th, 2010
11:05 am

Tim-well stated

Tim

June 26th, 2010
11:14 am

Thank you Cliff… just picking up where you left off.

Alan R.

June 26th, 2010
11:31 am

Just to clear a few things up:

a. Burmistrov has been playing in Barrie, Ontario. He doesn’t need to “come over” from anywhere. If he doesn’t make the team this year, he goes back to Barrie. Burmistrov is fine with that — he wants to do what Atlanta wants him to do.

b. Burmistrov has denounced the KHL, and wants nothing to do with it. He is happiest playing the North American style of hockey. The KHL burned its bridges with him, and he’s reciprocated in kind.

c. A lot of GMs decided to draft based on needs in the system instead of “best available” like some of the armchairs here wanted.

Are Fowler and Campbell better? Yeah. We could very well have stolen away a D-man, re-arranged the furniture in Chicago, and found some way to inject them in our lineup this year. But, looking at our talent pool of defenseman, we don’t need any.

Hear me out, people. Look at our defense from this past year. You’ll see some solid players like Bogosian and Enstrom. You’ll see Hainsey, Kubina, and a world of others. Then, I’m sure you’ll cite something like goals against. That stat is directly related to our style of play — balls out, defense joining the rush, and the forwards not engaging in responsible play. That was a good part of our problem last year. We had, arguably, the most solid defensive corps we’ve ever assembled. However, they were misused.

With a system deep with defenseman, we were in a position to draft based on needs. Face it, guys, we needed a center. This guy is a world class center, and despite the language barrier, he already considers himself a North American. Flight risk he is not, nor is he a KHL player currently. Barrie, Ontario is a city that hosts an OHL team, after all. So please, put those thoughts to rest.

CRaig

June 26th, 2010
11:41 am

Alan R., you make to much sense for the arm chair gm’s on here. If we had chosen Fowler or Campbell you would have had people that screamed what a waste of a pick. I will put my faith in the new regime, i.e., gm and coach, and take it that they know what they are doing. Great points you made Alan and it cleared up a couple of reservations I had on this pick as well.

DJ

June 26th, 2010
11:46 am

final the nhl has arrived in atl

polskidawg

June 26th, 2010
12:09 pm

Nice pick and will make the team as #1 or #2 center. Count on it.

gcs

June 26th, 2010
12:34 pm

Nice pick. Too bad ASG will just trade him away in a few years.

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Acer

June 26th, 2010
12:40 pm

Alan,

a- Kazan allowed Burmistrov to play in the CHL this season to get more ice time. He’ll return to play in the KHL next season.

b- Burmistrov has public thanked Kazan for allowing him to play overseas. P.S. Kazan is his home town.

c- Who’s saying that Fowler, Campbell or Gormely were the BPA? Some of the “experts” and fans thought that. When do you start following the draft? I think those who follow the draft over the course of the entire year have a better understanding of who’s a BPA and who’s not. The word upside is key in determining the BPA.

We don’t need any Dman? Where are the quality defenseman in the system? I count Kulda, Vish and maybe Postma. The remaining blueliner corps is nothing too special. Quantity doesn’t equal quality which is why you need many Dman in the system as possible. Nobody knows how many reach the NHL and become solid Dman. Vish may bolt to Russia if he doesn’t make the NHL soon and I doubt that Postma is anything more than a bottom/ 7th Dman.

World class center? Burmistrov will be lucky to reach Stephen Weiss’ production of today. He doesn’t have the upside, that I mentioned above. You should have drafted Tarasenko if you were interested in legit offensive production. P.S. It speaks volumes when the Blues pick/ trade up for him after all their problems with Russian prospects in the past.

Atlanta just lost a solid offensive threat in Morin and a late first & second round pick to acquire, while you just acquired an inferior winger in Aliu and (at best) a 2nd line center in Burmistrov. That’s just questionable asset management.

sisu

June 26th, 2010
12:47 pm

with the team having drafted dmen recently a forward was needed plus to be a center is even better. One thing this team lacks is solid centers. Look at the successful teams and you see they are very well set at the center position. After reading about this kid and watching the video clips on the team site I like him. If he is even close to AO that would be awesome!

rob

June 26th, 2010
12:50 pm

If you guys get your tail twisted about everything that has happened this week……what are you going to do if this new regime and many new parts on the team take awhile to gel and work the way it’s going to? That is a very real chance, that the team takes a month or so to come together this season. We have a very good core developing, respected coach on board, and reason to be positive again. My question is, who wants to show up at the games and show some enthusiasm for the Thrashers? If DumbWad and the Octotards are your reason for not showing up, then stay away. If that is your reasoning, you should also stop commenting, crying, whining, and carrying on about that which you want to change but do absolutely nothing about. Staying away will only show the PLAYERS they aren’t appreciated. You think this place is hockey Siberia just because of the Octotards and DumbWad? If there is no one cheering, no excitement about the game at the arena, that probably has something to do with that also…..and who’s fault is that? Not DumbOctoWadTards. It’s ours, the FANS who don’t show up to watch the game we love. So let’s actually watch the team play again, like it was at the beginning, when everyone was excited about hockey. Make some noise for the boys in blue PLAYING some hockey. The last decade hasn’t been pleasant, but let’s not make it take hockey from Atlanta. You want new ownership? Would you buy this team with the lack of support it has now? If you said yes you are lying. There are FANS out there but they aren’t showing the support a team needs. I for one will be at as many games as I can, good, bad, or ugly. Hope more of you feel the same.

Alan R.

June 26th, 2010
12:54 pm

Kazan allowed Burmistrov to play in the CHL this season to get more ice time. He’ll return to play in the KHL next season.

Not true. Kazan’s exact words were “If you want to play in the NHL, then go.” It’s widely documented that Burmistrov wants to play in the NHL, and would prefer to be here. I’m really not sure where you heard that, but they’re incorrect.

Burmistrov has public thanked Kazan for allowing him to play overseas.

While throwing the entire league under the bus. Gotcha. “The KHL is for old guys. I’ll never play there.”

We don’t need any Dman? Where are the quality defenseman in the system?

You’re aware it takes time to properly develop D-men, right?

The pessimism in these parts runs rampant, apparently. I admit, I’m optimistic about Burmistrov. However, I’ve also looked deeper than the stat sheet and nationality of the player. If people are still distraught over the trade that sent Morin off, then those people have problems. Morin might be awesome. He might also be a dud. Burmistrov might also be one of those duds. Fowler too. Campbell included. Funny thing about the draft is that it’s a crapshoot. Especially after the top five.

TL;DR: Get over it.

Ash

June 26th, 2010
2:26 pm

Reach. Should have taken Campbell at 8 or traded down. Campbell is going to be a star. Not sure I love anything Dudley is doing and I like both he and Ramsay but I think this was a friend hire, Should have gone Torchetti.

Tim

June 26th, 2010
3:35 pm

Thanks Rob. Well said.

Although… a new paragraph every once in a while would make it a little easier to read.

Hockey Steve

June 26th, 2010
4:07 pm

I hate to say it, but this pick has D-Wad’s stench all over it. (flashy Russian forward) VERY surprised by this pick….

Sage of Bluesland

June 26th, 2010
4:13 pm

“…but do absolutely nothing about….”

That was a load of sheep s(&^% if I’ve ever read it…Oh, but I DO something about it: I encourage as many as I can to NOT subsidize the incompetence–incompetence that you apparently relish.

Oh well, it’s a free country…Feel free to throw your money away while I keep mine right where it should be–and that’s in my pocket and not in Don Waddell’s…

I refuse to support an organization that keeps that blustering, lisping, buffoon employed and still calling the shots. I saw him on the phone last night and couldn’t stop laughing, thinking of those foolish enough to think things have really changed!

Sure, they have…Hey, if that gets you through the night, then give that big ol’ delusion a hug and a kiss!

Brendan

June 26th, 2010
4:44 pm

I’ll give this pick 3 years before I begin to declare it a bust or a success. So long as he signs here and plays here, this could be a very fine pick. And if so, I’ll give Rick Dudley the credit for it. I’m going to keep an open mind. But, let’s keep some perspective here. An 8th overall pick, for a forward, should be a Top 6 forward. And if he is, then the pick was successful. If he’s a bottom 6 forward, it wasn’t a total bust, but it wasn’t what we’d hoped. And if he cannot make the NHL, and stay there, it was a bust. And, of course, if he never comes, irrespective of how well of a player he becomes, it’s a bust for Atlanta. Hopefully, the Thrashers will be a team that Burmistrov will want to be a part of. Time will tell.

I just heard our 2nd selective give an interview with Heidi Androl, and he was very optimistic about coming to Atlanta. It seemed genuine. Then again, if a mere ‘prospect’ copped an attitude about playing in the South, or specifically in Atlanta, then Dudley didn’t do his homework. But the impression I came away with … was that this kid has potential. He spoke well. He handled himself well. I think Heidi said he was a cousin, or some relative, of Larry Murphy.

Tim

June 26th, 2010
4:57 pm

Sage? It’s sad that you CHOOSE to be negative and that it gets you through the night.

I CHOOSE optimism. I CHOOSE to believe that Dudley is making the calls and I CHOOSE to trust him. I CHOOSE to believe those who say that Burmistrov is NOT the typical Russian forward, that he is tough, gritty and defensively responsible.

I CHOOSE to be positive because I have a life, a family and being negative and wringing my hands over every little thing that with which I don’t agree takes the enjoyment out of being entertained by my favorite hockey team. The alternative is anonymously spewing venom at strangers on a blog while my blood pressure steadily rises.

Sage:
1 : one (as a profound philosopher) distinguished for wisdom
2 : a mature or venerable man of sound judgment

Malcontent:
a discontented person:
a: one who bears a grudge from a sense of grievance or thwarted ambition
b: one who is in active opposition to an established order or government

Maybe you should consider a name change.

R. Stroz

June 26th, 2010
5:07 pm

Although many of you get tired of Sage’s comments, Sage has been here since the beginning. So look at it this way, if your wife told you she would stop feeding you lies for ten years, you might be a little skeptical as well.

I’m willing to give Dudley a fair chance, but seeing Waddell on the phone before the pick last night was a disconcerting development.

R. Stroz

June 26th, 2010
5:11 pm

Sage – You could change you name to Sage of Malcontent Bluesland.

Then you could “thumb your nose” to your “fans” while “poking them in the eye.”

Lighten up everyone, you have two hands that allow you to type, I know many individuals that don’t. Keep things in perspective.

Tim

June 26th, 2010
5:16 pm

If my wife told me she would stop feeding me lies for ten years, it’s my fault for not leaving.

Staying AND b!tching is trying to have it both ways… unless you like being unhappy and abused.

Out

GaVaHokie

June 26th, 2010
5:55 pm

If you follow a team for ten years and don’t like anything about them… you should probably stop following them. I don’t need a sad sack telling me what I should or shouldn’t like.

GaVaHokie

June 26th, 2010
6:02 pm

I was at the draft last night with my Thrashers shirt… people were staring at me like I had a third eye. Also saw John Anderson and Steve Weekes together which was awkward. It was like running into your ex-girlfriend; trying to pretend not to notice each other.

Re: Burmistrov… Dudley and the Scouts have followed him all year. The first I heard of Waddell scouting him was this past Spring. This was not his pick. If we had taken a US development kid like Campbell, I would have given you the Waddell fingerprint nonsense.

Tom Lysiak

June 26th, 2010
7:07 pm

Don’t sell “Sage” and his well-organized boycott short. Their direct efforts have resulted in a couple of ticket reps being laid off. That must really be why he hates Waddell so much. Their records parallel each other….

Thrashy Thrashy

June 26th, 2010
7:40 pm

Waddell was on the phone with the Devil. He took another 30-year mortgage out on his soul.

Thrashy Thrashy

June 26th, 2010
7:41 pm

Fact of the matter is that the Thrashers are not going to win or lose in 2010-11 because of Alex Burmistrov. They will win or lose based on the ability of Dudley and Ramsay to craft the roster and shape the team into a responsible defensive club.

Period.

Ash

June 26th, 2010
8:13 pm

Agree the pick will take time but to me a top 10 pick should end up a star. Campbell will and has already shown he doesn’t choke under pressure. That would not have been a Don Waddell pick, it would have been very, very smart. A better player than Burmistrov went 12th. They could have traded down and got him. As a Thrasher fan I hope I am wrong and he had an outstanding career.

rob

June 26th, 2010
8:50 pm

Tim,
I have that tendency to just ramble on when I get a little upset. I apologize for that. Just amazes me how many “fans” can’t see past DumbWad. When he is gone, and one day he will be, do you think he will give a rats a$$ about how we felt about him? And now that I see his immature unoriginal same old tires a$$ rant about the lisping liar DumbWad boohoo for him. How sad to be so bitter for so long about someone who doesn’t even know he exists.
Sage,
Do you think your one man boycott has changed things here one bit?!?!? This B!TCHING on this blog gets not a whole heck of a lot done, unless you can come up with an IDEA that has merit and can get the attention of a LARGE group of FANS who support it, the media, and or the league. By going to the game I am supporting the PLAYERS on the team….not DumbOctoWadTards. I am watching the game that I love to watch being played. If your retarded idea of not supporting the team happens, what will be the end result? The team will be moved somewhere FANS support the good, bad, and ugly.
So if you don’t like the way the team is run, come support the PLAYERS, and voice your displeasure at those running it at the same time. THAT will show the league the FANS are here, and that they expect responsible ownership to put a quality product on the ice. How many ASG SUCKS signs have ever been down at ice level where the camera HAS to see it. Think THAT might draw some attention if it happens often enough? Don’t let DumbWad being an idiot ruin the game of hockey for you, rise above it, otherwise he’s won…….when he never even knew he was in a fight.
I know your response will be I am just a sheep blah blah blah, so save it for, well, how about forever? Unless you have something original to say.

Alan R.

June 26th, 2010
9:22 pm

Rob, be fair here.

He has about two others who boycott with him.

R. Stroz

June 26th, 2010
10:36 pm

MB

June 26th, 2010
11:40 pm

Scott Cullen over at TSN has written a couple of times attempting to establish the value of different picks.

When he looked at the drafts between 1995 and 2004, he found that you can expect 74% of players selected between #s 6-10 to play 100 NHL games. The best players, in his opinion, from those slots in that time period were/are Shane Doan, Dion Phaneuf, Mikko Koivu, Milan Michalek, and Mike Komisarek.

He later did a more detailed look, draft pick by draft pick, and determined that 30% of players selected at #8 would end up as either a top 6 forward or top 4 d-man (looking at drafts from 1979-2009). He listed the best #8s as Ray Bourque, Grant Fuhr, and Jeremy Roenick.

Not sure how to make live links, but here are the urls in case you’re interested. Just a little extra information to consider as you set your expectations for our most recent first round pick.

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/scott_cullen/?id=267960

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/scott_cullen/?id=282241

Brendan

June 27th, 2010
5:19 am

Well, not really wanting to jump in the middle of the Sage of Bluesland controversy, attendance was down last year. Enough to decrease the amount of revenue-sharing dollars that the Spirit receives. I’m sure that caught their attention. And not in a positive way.

I think they, the ownership, know that their NHL product has underperformed. Pierre McGuire not so discreetly pointed out that this was 9th nine in Thrashers history to own a Top 10 overall pick. The franchise is entering its eleventh (11th) year.

If you asked the Spirit if they think attendance should have been better last season, I think even Bruce Levenson would answer in this fashion, “We know that our team can be better, and that if it is, the attendance will pick up.”

Rocket science? Hardly. Atlanta is not the only market in the country that knows that winning puts backsides in seats. Or that losing makes those fannies stay home. As ownership, they have stewardship of the franchise. They have the ability to hire and fire personnel in charge of the direction of the Thrashers. That they let the entire coaching staff go last year … at least speaks to an “attempt” towards accountability. I loved the selection of Craig Ramsay to coach. I definitely think Dudley is an improvement over Waddell, even if Waddell still has budgetary oversight of what Dudley can do. I, personally, think we’re better than where we were, as an organization, with Ramsay and Dudley … than Anderson and Waddell. That trade for Bygfuglien, Eager, and Sopel was significant. I forgot who Chicago selected with picks # 24 and # 54, but if they don’t amount to much, then Dudley got 3 NHL ready players who would contribute immediately for Morin and Reasoner, and Crabb. With Byfuglien, we’re going to win some puck battles in corners. I’d love to re-sign Kubina, but that seems like a longshot at this point. If Bogosian can have a better year, who knows how much improvement we’ll see this year? I want to stay positive, at this point. If Dudley goes out and signs Ken Klee, or saddles us with a Bobby Holik contract, my tune will be quite different.

Acer

June 27th, 2010
6:41 am

Alan,

how long have you followed Burmistrov? Days or weeks? I first read about this guy two years ago & he has flip-flopped quite often. Saying one thing and months later something completely different.

Are you telling me that you can develop an ECHL talent into a Top4 talent in the NHL with the proper development? Excuse me but that’s just laughable. You can’t turn gypsum into diamonds.

I doubt that you looked deeper into the draft. You are not defending a player, instead you seem to defend the organization which picked him. IMO you also label people as pessimists because you can’t argue with them. There’s no middle ground right? It’s easier to throw around the label. The draft becomes a crapshoot when you deal away picks because it decreases the likelihood of getting a solid prospect. Plus, with crappy scouts every draft is going to be crapshoot.

Picks and prospects were traded before by this franchise after ownership called for shifting into the “win-now” mode. Those things work short term but not over the long run. Atlanta, Toronto and Edmonton are teams which drive this course. I think that the Oilers finally manged to understand that it’s not about short term success. Atlanta and Toronto will continue to take take steps forwards and backwards over and over again.

Maybe Burmistrov and Morin don’t pan out but it’s better to lower the risk by having two decent prospects instead of just one.

rob

June 27th, 2010
9:45 am

an army of 3

Just Curious

June 27th, 2010
10:26 am

My source tells me that these are the reasons Waddell was on the phone:

1) Ordering a Domino’s delivery for Duds.
2) Checking on Duds’ dry cleaning.
3) Calling the local time and temperature.

(In no particular order…..)

Parsley, Rosemary and Thyme of Bluesland

June 27th, 2010
10:39 am

My DW phone theory -

He was talking to his wife… here’s how this side of the conversation went:

“Hi honey. No, everything’s fine, he hasn’t asked me to get his coffee… yet. I’m just calling because the cameras are on and I want to look like I have something to do. Babysitting the corporate partners doesn’t actually take up too much of my time… there are only three. Remember how I told you they were keeping me around because they refused to fire me and pay me to take you to Kroger? Well, I think they’re trying to get me to quit. I actually have to sit here and watch him do my job… how humiliating. Oh crap, I gotta go honey… Duddy looks thirsty.”

Just Curious

June 27th, 2010
10:48 am

LOL….And here’s his wife’s response:

“Oh Donny….You’ll always be MY HERO!”

JR

June 27th, 2010
11:00 am

some of us have been watching and attending hockey games for many years. here and elsewhere. too many more thrasher rebuilding seasons and we won’t be around to see the payoff: if there ever is one.

Alan R.

June 27th, 2010
12:12 pm

how long have you followed Burmistrov? Days or weeks? I first read about this guy two years ago & he has flip-flopped quite often.

Perhaps you are thinking of one of the other Russians. You might want to go back and check your research again. Oh, and while you’re at it, you might want to go correct Bill at the other blog, along with everyone else at TSN, ESPN, and elsewhere who have seemingly not seen the same information you have.

deanodog

June 27th, 2010
1:08 pm

SI mock draft had our boy going 6th to Tampa

6. Tampa Bay Lightning:

Alexander Burmistrov
Getty Images
Alexander Burmistrov, C, Barrie Colts (OHL)
Steve Yzerman knows a thing or two about the value of highly-skilled Russians, so look for the new Bolts GM to call the name of a player who’s been compared to both Igor Larionov and Pavel Datsyuk.
Burmistrov plays the classic Russian style, all speed and jaw-dropping dekes, but he’s also great on the draw and a reliable enough defensive presence that he should mature into as much of an asset on the penalty kill as on the power play. The one knock on him: his size. He’s about 5-11, but doesn’t yet top 160, so he needs a year, probably two, to build up his weight and strength before he can contribute in Tampa. While all Russians come with an asterisk these days, there’s a sense that Burmistrov is committed to playing in the NHL.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/allan_muir/06/22/nhl.mock.draft/index.html?xid=cbssports#ixzz0s4c059SE

deanodog

June 27th, 2010
1:11 pm

Needless to say, I really like this pick.

bobheartlee

June 27th, 2010
1:52 pm

Smoothie

June 27th, 2010
2:19 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Puck-Daddy-chats-with-Thrashers-Burmistrov-Cap?urn=nhl,251655

Kid Alex sounds pretty convincing and determined to make an impression at rookie camp in July. I look forward to seeing him skate circles around our other prospects. Interesting that while he’s apparently still under contract, Ak bars Kazan has let him out of his deal.

If he doesn’t make the team though, I still fear he might go back for one year of play in Russia. Once these agents start whispering in these kid’s ears, you never know what they might do. But for now, I’m willing to give Alex the benefit of the doubt since he seems to have such strong convictions. Time will tell…

World Be Free

June 27th, 2010
6:54 pm

Alot said about this pick, looks like folks conflict over whether Alex will stay here or bolt back to Russia at the first sign of trouble. Only time will tell.

I noticed nobody is questioing the kid’s talent or his commitment to his current junior team. Bob McKenzie was pretty high on the guy and that’s good enough for me since he is one of the best talent evaluators in the media. So like Dudley, let’s give the kid a chance to come here and prove what he is worth. I have a feeling he is going to turn some heads at camp, enough for the temptation of keeping him here instead of sending him back to juniors. He needs to put on some weight or he’s going to get whacked in the NHL.

Evander Kane was a skinny kid when he arrived here last year. That skinny kid has put on some bulk; he’ll be ready to rock this fall. I predict the kid will have a breakout season and I’m looking forward to it.

HookyBob

June 27th, 2010
7:11 pm

Tim & rob: I get the sense from your posts that my post on 6-26 at 9:59 am has you up in arms. I am also of the opinion that “perception is reality” unless challenged. So here is my challenge:

When I read your posts I asked myself “I wonder how these guys scored the reading comprehension part of the SAT?” I also asked what information are do they have to work with?

Case in point: If you took the time to read Sara’s link you would have read this “I think I’m a different player, not the same as many Russian guys,” Burmistrov says. So is my (HookyBob’s) “self-proclaimed” a misstatement? If so, please detail.

Tim, you mention how Russian palyers are undervalued because of Ilya and AO. Did you note my comment that “AB had strengths where Ilya had weaknesses?” Where’s the pessimism in that statement?

Siberia: rob, where would you rank Atlanta as a destination, among the 30 NHL teams, for hockey players? I have them in the bottom quintile. If you have the Thrashers much higher I’d like to read your reasons. Remember Don and the Octotards are still calling the shots. Given Duds being the new GM is hopeful,..but who does he answer to again?

BTW: Rumor has it (note the qualification)that Torchetti would be our associate coach if DW and the ASG were OK with Torchetti’s salary demands. How much can that be (We are so far below the salary cap that $500 K would be immaterial if it were a player’s salary. And the coach’s salary doesn’t even count against the cap.)? Ignore that if you want,..for me it dovetails so consistently with the past that I believe it.

Is it unreasonable for a Russian hockey player to rank the KHL above some NHL franchises? If so, where would you rank the Thrashers, after they traded Ilya and offered Max a 1 year deal?

Someone stated unequivocly (Alan R?)that “he’s not going back to Russia.” Things happen,..suppose his father died and AB wanted to be close his mother/siblings? My statement was…if he stays it is good, if he goes back it is bad. What’s unclear, or pessimistic about that?

We have suffered through 10 years dissapointments with this ownership and mgmt (perhaps Tim and rob haven’t been along for the whole ride?). I am at the point where the oneus is on the Thrashers to win me back.

Tim and rob: Please take off your rose colored glasses, re-read my post and see if it isn’t more postive than you initially thought. Oh,… and please consider the content of the comments over the grammar.

rob

June 27th, 2010
8:58 pm

Hooky,
Long day in the sun? I actually thought your post (now that I went back and read it again) was good. Not sure where I went and stepped on your toes with mine. All I’m saying is if you are a fan of hockey (and I assume you are, so if that makes an a$$ of me for that so be it), you should be down at the arena cheering once in a while (not saying STH or anything). The dilemna here is the ownership, I get that. But how many teams have HORRIBLE ownership?
You were right in your assumption about me not being a THRASHERS fan for long. I moved down here in 96 from Buffalo and only came to see them play. I followed the team but wasn’t a fan then. Saw how miniscule the coverage was, how I could never even find anything other than the league standings (now and then) when I was use to pages and pages in Buffalo covering the team and the league. Ownership has no clue, obviously. Neither does most of the city though. TOO many transplants who are still loyal to the “hometown” team they came from. Well 2 years ago I finally decided I wasn’t ever going home and just seeing the Sabres play here 2 or 3 times a year wasn’t enough, and my kids and wife were watching it on TV and cheering for the Thrashers soooo.
Here I am. Been a HOCKEY fan my whole life and cheered for the Sabres through numerous bad seasons. Cheered (and booed in the cases of last seasons Caps and Bruins losses) for the team even when they were not great. Even cheered against the Sabres as well. You haven’t won a playoff game here in 10 years. THAT SUCKS.
So cut off your noses to spite your face. If you think staying away from the game is the answer, what happens when the time actually does arrive when they CAN move the team? Center Ice is GREAT but it isn’t A LIVE GAME. I don’t have rose colored glasses on, just want to enjoy the game that I have watched and played since I was old enough to remember. Again, this blog is a great site to talk to others, but it won’t ever change things. Make your statements at the game, where they WILL be heard. Get a group together with some tshirts over your jerseys that spell out ASG SUCKS or something like that. Have some fun with it while still enjoying the game of hockey.
All empty seats will do is keep new owners/investors away, alienate the players (who flee because there aren’t many fans cheering them on also), and make moving almost a certainty.
Just my opinion

Sage of Bluesland

June 27th, 2010
9:26 pm

“…Make your statements at the game, where they WILL be heard….”

My, oh my. Folks, we have a new little sheepling to join the herd of the usuals…

Sure, they will–as they count the money from the ignorants…

Wow. I’m glad you’ve arrived here–it will make for some good fun….But, it’s almost not fair…

HookyBob

June 27th, 2010
9:35 pm

rob: Good points,..no easy answers. I was a season ticket holder through this last season. I did exactly what you suggest for 10 years. Also, had the dilema, even blogged it in years past, about not paying and losing the NHL in Atlanta, or paying to watch poor team. This last year broke my back. This coming year I am not a STH.

I remain a fan, will watch most TV games, and attend a few.

Sara

June 28th, 2010
8:07 am

Look, a lot of the regular posters/readers of these blogs are over Sage’s constant and repetitive bleating. But it’s pretty easy to ignore someone like him. You see his handle, you just skip down to the next post.

However, in all fairness I’ll point out that one should not just assume he goes unnoticed either. It has been a well known fact for a long time that Atlanta Spirit, and Bruce Levenson in particular, read these blogs regularly. Levenson once specifically cited LAC by his handle in an interview. Now obviously since Waddell is still employed by Atlanta Spirit, no one with any say-so is taking Sage too seriously, but I guarantee his “voice” as it were has been heard.

kracker

June 28th, 2010
9:59 am

To those fed up with the rasping repetiveness of a few posters on these hockey blogs, I advise you to simply go to the next entry if you see their name.

In general it’s usually best not feed trolls. There is little chance any discussion based on hockey knowledge, common sense, logic, passion for the game, support for the team, etc. will appeal to our chronic gripers. Any attempts to sway them to a more reasoned assessment of the current state of hockey in Atlanta will only bring another recitation of the same old rants we’ve all heard too many times. Engaging them also encourages them to continue to abuse these blogs.

So…seeing ‘Sage’ and a few other names = Move on down the page.

Jack

June 28th, 2010
10:21 am

Has any one have updates on assistant coach situation, or goalie contracts?

rob

June 28th, 2010
10:28 am

kracker,
thanks. shoulda known better than to waste the time and space.

For the Record

June 28th, 2010
10:33 am

If you’ve read ONE Sage comment, you’ve read them all. And the conclusion is he’s a seriously conflicted individual.

1) He wrote Don Waddell 3 e-mails some 10 years ago and never received a reply. So he vowed to never attend another Thrashers game until Waddell was fired.

2) He won’t go to games, yet he obviously watches EVERY Thrashers game on TV and can’t wait to post on each new post-game blog like everyone is waiting for his “analysis” or something.

3) When he’s not insulting the ASG, Waddell, Dudley, the coaching staff or the players, then he goes off on Thrasher Fans. In fact, probably 90% (or more) of his postings are directed at Fans, calling them names and ridiculing them for supporting their NHL team while he sits at home sulking.

4) His only blog friend is Jeff Schultz.

There are people here who have some pretty intelligent insights into what’s happening with the team, both seen and behind-the-scenes. I believe Levenson and the ASG are wise in considering some of those views. On the other hand, how many times can an owner read “I won’t attend another Thrashers game until Waddell is fired and the team is sold” and it still have an impact? Especially from the same miserable individual?

Don Waddell was “fired”, not because of Sage’s ramblings….But because (I believe) he was given an “ultimatum” of reaching at least the first round of the playoffs last season and failed. Now it’s Dudley’s turn.

The jury will be out on Dudley, at least until ice time this fall. But there’s no denying that this team is headed full speed ahead in a quite different direction since he took over. And anyone who still believes Waddell is somehow “masterminding” the moves that are being made right now is seriously delusional. Those who wished Waddell out of the picture have received their answer…He’s not even a rubber stamp anymore.

So will those who wanted him gone actually return to Philips now to see Dudley’s team? TRUE FANS will. Those who live to get on these blogs and complain about all things Thrashers-related (Sage) won’t. But understand this is not because of the ASG or the Thrashers…..It’s because of the individual. Some people just aren’t happy unless everyone else is unhappy. Meanwhile, the other 99% of posters here will be going to NHL games this season and enjoying life.

It would truly suck to sit at home and watch all of the games on TV if Dudley & the Thrashers really get it together this year……Especially when the reason (Waddell) for not going to games has become a non-issue. This is when an inner-conflct has sadly taken on a life of its own.

Joe Friday

June 28th, 2010
10:37 am

If you think the boycott of the club, due to bad management by Waddell and three sets of owners, has not resulted in thousands (not 2, not 3, not 100’s, 1000s) of former season ticket holders becoming just that, former, then you’re just plain not paying attention, or you haven’t followed the team for long.

Let’s hope some new management and coaching blood in the mix can change the course, but in my experience when the problems start at the top, they will always continue to trickle down until meaningful change is made at the top.

The draft proved that Waddell is still in there making decisions. The cluster with Torchetti proves that ownership is still running a penny ante show here and is nickel and diming coaches, and I would presume Kubina as he’s not signed, one year offer to Max?

My hope (baa) is that despite the continued hand of Waddell in the mix, that Dudley and Ramsay can get some things done. But no season tickets again for me until we get true change at the top.

Joe Friday

June 28th, 2010
10:43 am

“yet he obviously watches EVERY Thrashers game on TV and can’t wait to post on each new post-game blog like everyone is waiting for his “analysis” or something.”

Your perception is the complete 180 degree opposite of what I’ve seen over the years. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Sage write one comment about the goings on in a game other than “see that they lost again”. He usually only shows up after extended losses and never posts until a day or so after the game. My perception is he only looks at the box scores the next day, laughs to himself, and comes to mock the “sheep” the spent the prior evening (and a large chunk of coin) at the arena subjecting themselves to more Thrasher misery.

My take on you, and the others that are irritated beyond belief at Sage is that ye doth protest too much. If he wasn’t bothering you, and if you didn’t fear that he’s right, you’d ignore it and be firm in your convictions that you’ve been doing the right thing supporting inept management in the past.

sage/stendek

June 28th, 2010
11:32 am

lovers 4 ever

Tom Lysiak

June 28th, 2010
11:37 am

And therein lies the rub….many of us on here go to games to support the “team”. You know, the guys who wear the uniforms and actually play NHL hockey. Some people on here like to try to belittle people who do that and turn that into “supporting inept management”. I could care less who owns the team, since I can’t control that. Me wishing they would sell is a waste of time. The same waste of time many spend hating Don Waddell and wondering what his current duties with the club might be.

One more thing, nobody here said the “boycott” hasn’t caused untold numbers of season ticket holders to bail. What most have said is the boycott and those departing season ticket holders have had zero affect on getting ASG to fire Don Waddell. They moved the guy out of the GM slot and many refuse to accept anything less than Waddell’s head being thrown on the ice like an octopus. Ever figure that just ain’t gonna happen with these owners????

I guess to summarize….most of us focus on the team (the players) and identify the Thrashers as the team (the players). Others seem to focus on Don Waddell and identify the Thrashers as Don Waddell.

SiCkOfThis

June 28th, 2010
11:54 am

Tom L. Thank you for being the voice of reason amongst such nonsense.
To the rest of you:Real fans go to the game to support the players, the team and show thier love of the sport. Just because you have money to burn and no lives to spend it on, you buy season tickets and think you have a voice. You’re fairweather fans who stop coming and don’t renew because your team isn’t winning. Us season ticket holders who are “real fans” don’t miss your whining and sense of worth. Take lessons from fans like Toronto. In Forbes every year for being the most profitable franchise in the NHL and how long has it been since they were any good? Hockey and the NHL will never get any bigger than it is today as long as we have fans like you all who need something to do when its not baseball season. Don’t come running back when we start winning games. We’re better off without you!

World Be Free

June 28th, 2010
12:12 pm

This is all pretty simple-it’s a free country, if you want to go to the games, then go-if you want to stay at home and protest until additional changes are made, you are free to do so. The dissenters have every right to say what they want on this blog, just as I have every right to hope that Ramsay and Dudley can move this team forward. Both men have been successful other places. Give them a chance.

Finally on Torchetti-does anyone know what kind of money he is asking for? It sounds like he wants more than your average assistant or maybe associate coach. I don’t think anyone is being cheap here.

Joe Friday

June 28th, 2010
12:52 pm

“Finally on Torchetti-does anyone know what kind of money he is asking for? It sounds like he wants more than your average assistant or maybe associate coach. I don’t think anyone is being cheap here.”

No clue, but to leave the defending Cup champs for the same job title here, there has to be an impetus to him to make the move. Logic would dictate that he wants a raise if he’s going to be making a lateral move from the Cup champs to Atlanta. Same logic would dictate that since the job offer was reportedly made and accepted (someone tweeted that all that was left was dollars to be decided on), that our glorious owners aren’t meeting his pay rate demands.

World Be Free

June 28th, 2010
12:54 pm

Joe, you may be right. I thought Torchetti was a done deal when Ramsay was announced. Being done, you expect all of the core details would have been agreed to already. Hopefully we will find out someday.

Joe Don't Go Squad

June 28th, 2010
12:59 pm

Hey Thrasher Fanatics, Check out the website. GO HAWKS AND THRASHERS.

http://joe_dont_go.WebStarts.com/index.html

Old Time Hockey

June 28th, 2010
12:59 pm

Waaaahhh….jeez, does it ever end? What I found most comforting about Dudley’s comments on Burmistrov is that he is a smart, CHARACTER guy. I will take a talented guy who “gets it” over a stud junior player who has excelled on talent, but doesn’t understand what it takes to be successful at every level (the fat, lazy goalie is a perfect example). I used to wonder why some players were more successful than others even though they seemed at least AS talented. Character, smarts and work ethic. We are ok at D right now. A fast two-way player good on faceoffs? Hmmmm…let me think about that. Those two defensemen who didn’t go as high as projected…why did other teams pass them over also? McGuire said Stevie Y was going to be ecstatic that those two were on the board for his pick, and even he didn’t draft them. Makes you wonder. As far as drafting a goalie in the first round…If they have cloned Sawchuck or Hall or Plante…maybe. But my rule as a GM is don’t draft, sign the free agents or trade for one.

I would like to nominate a day in the near future where all posts have to be whiner free and no comments about how Waddell is ruining your life. I look forward to seeing all 7 posts that day.

Smoothie

June 28th, 2010
1:10 pm

QO’s were officially tendered to Bergfors, Little, Pavelec, C-Mac, Eager, Mannino and Stewart. 4 others were “let go” into UFA.

Not surprising Duds would qualify Anthony Stewart considering he scouted and drafted him back in 2003. If you add him to the mix, then we could have yet another big, bruising speedster crashing bodies in the corners on our bottom lines. Not that it will happen but this bottom 6 could be quite imposing and “un-fun” to play against:

Eager – Slater – Machacek
Stewart – Cormier – Thorburn

World Be Free

June 28th, 2010
1:12 pm

Old Time, you are not going to change certain people, but they have a right to say whatever they want. I am just hoping for the best for the upcoming season, mindful of our history and the people who are largely responsible for us being where we have been the past 10 years. But I don’t post about it much, just try and focus on what I hope will be a brighter future. Enough said-time to get ready for more trades and the July 1 frenzy.

Jameson

June 28th, 2010
2:05 pm

I tend to think that if we do see Torchetti in Atlanta he will be called Associate Coach, and will be next in line for the Head Coaching position. Kind of the way Dudly came on as an Associate GM, and as soon as Waddell was moved, he became GM.

Somaatl95

June 28th, 2010
2:35 pm

Burmistrov puts the hope in me that we will face Koval-choke so he can see what a 2 way player can do for Atlanta – but knowing Kovy he will end up at an overly eager Canadian based team desperate for a winner (like the Leafs or Oilers) or a Western Division team a la Marian Hossa.
Isn’t it nice to dream of Big Buff checking Kovy so hard it knocks him out of that nights game? Whatever player gives Kovy a “Not in my house, sucka!” Check deserves 1st Star for that nights game.

Welcome to Blueland haters, where you will leave all Black, Blue and Bedazzled!!! :)

Oh, and anyone who gets their rocks off by insulting everyone else in these forums needs to hang it up and go talk Football with those guys who start planning next season day 1 after the Super Bowl. If you want to come to a hockey blog, talk about the crest on the front, not the name on the back or the people who write the checks. If you want the NHL to not drop us a second (and probably final) time then STFU and support the team! How had is that to follow?

World Be Free

June 28th, 2010
2:36 pm

I thought he was coming here to take over for Ramsay in a few seasons.

MB

June 28th, 2010
2:36 pm

OTH, thought the same thing when reading about how smart Burmistrov is, according to Dudley and the scouting services. When you look at guys like Zetterberg and Datsyuk (to whom Burmistrov has been compared), one of the things that sticks out is how smartly they play the game. Of course, they’re highly-skilled as well, but they almost always do the right thing at the right time…the think the game incredibly well.

Compare that to our previous captain, Kovy. All the skill in the world, but whether it’s emotion, effort, or intelligence (I think a combo of all three), he frequently does not play an intelligent or particularly creative game. I think that’s why he’s been unable to crack into that next level of “best of the best” players.

Guys like Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Crosby have all the skills, but they also play a smart game. AO doesn’t always play a smart game, but his creativity makes him special. If Burmistrov can marshall his obvious talents with his intelligence, a whole lot of effort, and some creativity, then we just may have found a heckuva player at number eight.

For the Record

June 28th, 2010
3:02 pm

Joe Friday…..Since you say, “the draft proved that Waddell is still in there making decisions”, you’ll be pleased to know that Bleacher Report just issued their grade on the Thrashers draft:

“Offence: A , Burmistrov packs a lot of offensive punch, and depth prospects, such as Telegin and Lane, have loads of potential as well.

Defence: A- , With four defenseman drafted, Atlanta has some diamonds in the rough, but it is a real waiting game to see if any have the potential to make the league.

Goaltending: B+ , Pettersson-Wentzel has show quite a bit this past season, but it was at the junior-level, a year in the elites, and then potentially a year in the minors could see him blossom into a solid goalie.

Overall: A-, the Thrashers had a solid draft, they may get two or three players who could suit up for the team down the road and make a lasting impact.”

Looks like Waddell made you proud with his drafting prowess, huh?

Tony C.

June 28th, 2010
7:38 pm

We’ve been carping for a playmaking centReman ever since we let Savard go.

Now we draft one of the top two playmaking pivots in the whole draft (and yes I’m of the school that would’ve sold you my mom if that meant I got Seguin) and yall’re upset because he’s Russian? Seriously? Ever see what a playmaking russian can do running a power play? Do you really think Gonchar’s going to get priced out of Pittsburgh because of his bone-crunching checks? Closer to home, when Kozlov was running the PP and we had the Little White Russian line, White and Little put up career numbers… not saying this kid is the next Larionov, but I’ll be more than happy to give the kid some time to hit a couple of cycles and eat right. I mean I understand (some) of the anti-Russian sentiment, but if his coach from the Colts had him out taking defensive-zone draws when Barrie was facing elimination-well that should tell you a lot.

P.S. I watched this kid quite a bit (I like the Colts-they’re fun to watch), and I didn’t think Dudley would pick him due to his size. But watching this kid makes me think we did well to get him-he’s got all kinds of moves and sees the ice extremely well. I can think of one play in particular during their (The Colts’) last series in this year’s playoffs (BTW how cool is it they’re showing the Junior playoffs on NHLTV?) where Burmistrov broke in on the right wing, did a pretty little drag past his man then pulled up and hit the trailer in stride no-look…. they didn’t score, but you just can’t teach that knack of speeding up the play and then slowing it down to maximize your teammates. I really thought we’d take Johansen because of his size, but I think AB is better suited to what we need-a dynamic playmaker who can feed Kane and Little.

Sage of Bluesland

June 28th, 2010
8:56 pm

“…And anyone who still believes Waddell is somehow “masterminding” the moves that are being made right now is seriously delusional. Those who wished Waddell out of the picture have received their answer…He’s not even a rubber stamp anymore….”

Funny, but Donny was IN my television picture when the Thrashers were both on the clock and on the stage….Sure, chief–whatever you say…

Just keep repeating it and maybe it will be true….I choose to live in reality.

Maybe you can wish for a legitimate Stanley Cup contender, too….Based on what you’re bringing to the table, I guess anything is possible…in your “mind”…

(Try again)

Sage of Bluesland

June 28th, 2010
9:16 pm

The lies and bluster began on day-one with this organization–led by one Don Waddell. For those that were here, who can recall the “rush” for tickets and the garbage spewed about it being the toughest ticket in town?

Well, I guess if it were a real NHL hockey club with a legitimate plan (”Five-Year”) led by something more than a minor-league snake-oil salesman, then maybe it would have a semblance of truth.

It must irk some of you to no-end that I HAVE affected numerous folks in doing the exact right thing and keeping their hard-earned dollars in their pocket as opposed to giving it to those who don’t deserve it (well, unless you desire pipe-dreams and “Legends of Blueland”?).

Only in Thrashersland is an inferior product actually defended! I’m in the wrong business, obviously…I had no idea there were so many so willing to give so much! After reading some of the laughable ‘bleating’, there is no doubt in my mind that P.T. Barnum was indeed correct…

For the Record

June 28th, 2010
9:41 pm

Check out the post 2 above yours, Sport and you can also publicly CONGRATULATE Waddell for his Overall A- Grade on the draft!!

You DO believe Waddell hired Ramsay, made the Hawks trade and told Dudley exactly who to draft after analyzing all of the scouting reports, right? I mean, Waddell is still in charge in YOUR mind. He just HAS to be since you saw him right there on your TV screen and TVs don’t lie man…They’re reality! Waddell was a busy guy last week…Perhaps busier than any single week when he actually WAS Thrashers GM (at least according to you).

WHAT A TOOL!

The only thing Don Waddell is in charge of is the “Sage of Bwueswand”. He controls your thoughts throughout the day, every day. He controls your daydreams and nightmares. He controls your remote control whenever the Thrashers are on TV. He controls your blog posts. He controls your inability to get off your lazy arse and actually attend a LIVE Thrashers game, since he’s prevented you from doing such for the past 10 years. He broke your heart when he rejected your 3 e-mails. He broke your spirit when he was PROMOTED to Thrashers President. Don Waddell OWNS you and he has for the past 10 years!

Aren’t you ashamed of yourself…..Or are you missing the shame gene, Sage? The man you despise CONTROLS you and you prove it every time you post another blog message. Sucks to be you…

For the Record

June 28th, 2010
9:57 pm

Well would you look at that! No sooner do I call you out for being the Waddell Puppet that you are, and you’ve already popped off yet another post about Don Waddell — and this one goes back to DAY ONE of the Thrashers organization no less!! You really should get a life and stop dwelling on Don Waddell and how he so wrecked your life before it consumes your entire identity…OOPS…TOO LATE….It’s already happened.

If Don Waddell had a “Mini-Me”, it would be you Sage. He would name you: Mini-Wad.

Sounds about right…

dr feelgood

June 28th, 2010
10:06 pm

Sage is Mini-Wad…..LOL. Good one!

Hockey Steve

June 28th, 2010
10:47 pm

If his glass-half-empty prophecy of the Thrashers comes true, trust me, no one will miss the Thrashers more than Sage.

Sage of Bluesland

June 28th, 2010
11:13 pm

Oh, well, if the “Bleacher Report” says it, why it MUST be true!

Wow. How weak-minded are you…really. You must believe everything you read?

How ignorant.

Why do I even bother? All credibility went down the tank right then.

Stop being so emotional and face the facts, for once. Look at the top of the organization and look at the factual track record.

Feel warm and fuzzy inside? Who is being delusional and emotional now?

Wake up and stop shoveling the putrid emotion, young one…Maybe one day you’ll learn…

(Just now I’m feeling like analyzing a spreadsheet which actually argues that the Thrashers are *actually* one of the better drafting teams in the league! Uh-huh, I’ve read that rot before on this blog…Some just want to bewieve so BADLY–it’s actually funny! We have a couple of new sheep to laugh at now, which makes it all worthwhile…at least until they stop sharing their “wisdom” with us…)

For the Record

June 28th, 2010
11:25 pm

Mini-Wad…….tee hee hee…….All bow down to The Great Mini-Wad!!

Hockey Steve

June 29th, 2010
10:58 am

I would much rather be a sheep than a jackass.