More line juggling at Thrashers practice

Your Tuesday morning report from Thrashers practice.

With the line juggling that occurred at the end of Sunday’s game with Tampa Bay, the lines are indeed different for practice. Three lines are different, with the fourth line intact. Here are the lines at this point, in no particular order:

Blue: Kozlov-Antropov-Afinogenov

Orange: Kovalchuk-Peverley-Armstrong

Grey: Kane-White-Little

Red: Boulton-Reasoner/Slater-Thorburn

No changes indefensive pairings.

We will report after practice what coach John Anderson says about the line changes. I suspect he’s trying to mix things up.

Thrashers leave later today for Wednesday’s game in Detroit.

130 comments Add your comment

Smoothie

November 24th, 2009
10:58 am

Hey Kracker!

Guess JA is becoming just as schizo as me with his line juggling!! :wink:

I think I like these combos though as each line has a Speedy Gonzalez winger (Finny, Kovy, Kaner), a set-up pivot (Antro, Pevs, ahem, Little) and a sniper (Kozzy, Kovy & Kaner). And the top two lines have some size to create time and space for Finny and Kovy. Not sure if I like White playing center when I think Little is better defensively and up the middle. But perhaps playing with Kane will ignite him.

If we’re going to have White & Little dropped to the “3rd line”, I think I would prefer keeping the Russian Front line intact and re-uniting our best line from last season, Army-Kozlov-47. But I’m excited about Pevs and Kovy terrorizing defenses everywhere. Plus, Pevs can better atone for Kovy’s defensive misgivings and shortcomings.

Barry

November 24th, 2009
10:58 am

I wouldn’t have gone that far with the line juggling. I would have tried Kozlov-Antropov-Afinogenov and then Kovy-White-Little. Leave the Kane-Peverley-Armstrong line in tact as that has been our best line. I guess we’ll see how these new lines work. Maybe those can at least get Kozlov going.

Aj

November 24th, 2009
11:00 am

Great Idea on Pov-Nov-Lov Combo…Has a nice ring to it !!

JLH

November 24th, 2009
11:03 am

Thanks Chris. I was wondering if the success we had in the 3rd period with the line changes would continue into this week. I like the changes, but I wonder how it will effect Max? He and Ilya seem to inspire each other. I’m also wondering how Anderson will match these lines vs. the Red Wings. I don’t see a “checking” line here. Maybe the 4th line? Nawwww!

Sara

November 24th, 2009
11:52 am

Kaner-Pevs-Army dried up games ago – it needed changing as much as the second line did. We’ll see how it works. It’d go alot better if the team would play 60 minutes of hockey … and learned to be a bit more physical when called for it. They have to learn to adapt to different systems.

GaVaHokie

November 24th, 2009
12:09 pm

I’d like to think Kozlov can get Antropov going on the scoresheet… Kozlov is a great set up man. I’d key on Kozlov getting behind the net and putting it on Antro’s tape standing in front of the net for a few “roofers”.

Kovy-Pevs-Army… no questions there… should be more productive than Kovy on the top line. If I’m not mistaken, Army plays well against Detroit.

GaVaHokie

November 24th, 2009
12:10 pm

Sara… agreed on the Kaner-Pevs-Army line drying up.

JLH

November 24th, 2009
12:17 pm

Anderson continues to say the coaches have try different approaches to get the guys into the game from the start, but none are working. How ’bout if we became a strong forechecking team. I keep thinking back to a home game with the Senators in Dec ‘07, when we had 21 shots on goal in the first period. We were a fore-checking monster in that game! We actually came out of that period down 1-0, but you couldn’t say we weren’t engaged. With the fire power we have now, I think 20 shots on goal would yield some results.

Jimbo

November 24th, 2009
12:22 pm

I hope that JA leads with the Kovy-Peverley-Armstrong line. All are hi-energy guys who appear to be ready to go at the drop of the puck. It seems to take getting behind to rev up the All Russian lines.

Dwayne

November 24th, 2009
12:34 pm

Intresting lines, we will see tomorrow if it makes a differense. I think playing on the road was all that needed to happen. If the red wings fans were smart, they would stay home. On another note. Thrashers are tied for 12th or 13th, but look at those games in hand, now if we can only win them.

Scotty

November 24th, 2009
12:35 pm

It’s about time they pushed Little and White down to the third line, but I feel sorry for Kane. Now he’s stuck with the team’s deadweight. Who knows, maybe he can get those two going. I sure hope so.

I’d advocate having Little and White play 4th line minutes, but neither are tough enough to play there. If they can’t get it going soon then the next stop is the press box.

Kovy and Peverely back on the same line is great!

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
12:42 pm

While the AK-47 line dried up, it was also broken up a lot of times and was not getting it’s normal minutes together for awhile now. We’ve been calling for their getting back together on the past blogs, so I’m not sure you could really say they haven’t been producing since they haven’t been playing as a line.

I like Barry’s combos but as JLH said, no checking line.

Just excited to see how Peverley does with Kovalchuk full time.

Get ready for the old Max. Sorry, I had to say it. He didn’t score a point against TB and his goals in each of the two games before that were with less than a minute left in the game. That’s nice for the comeback and all but we need him for the first 59 minutes to be doing something. I really do hope I’m wrong, but you should know that I’d say at least something.

Diego from Lilburn

November 24th, 2009
1:21 pm

The guys seemed very upbeat during and after practice. They did a “hit the cross bar” competition after practice. Once they hit it, they dropped their gloves on the ice. The last man standing had to pick up all their gloves. It was Schubert. He had to make two trips. :D
Kari said his back was feeling lots better but still slower going than he wanted.
The whole team seemed happy and upbeat.

Jarndyce

November 24th, 2009
1:24 pm

John Anderson’s pregame speech should go like this:

“Boys, those first two periods sucked, and we’re down 3-0. But we’ve been here before, and we’ve fought back. Now, let’s get out there, and earn some respect, and win this third period!”

J.B.

November 24th, 2009
1:54 pm

glad to hear the guys looked happy and upbeat. i wouldn’t have expected that at the moment

Chris

November 24th, 2009
2:03 pm

I like spreading the physicality around. I still want to see a Kane-Peverley-Little line tried at some point.

Chris Vivlamore

November 24th, 2009
2:11 pm

Practice update: Sorry for the delay. Dogsitting this week – had to feed and walk. Anyway … Anderson said he is just trying to mix things up. All of the players seem OK with the moves. They didn’t find out until this morning when dressing for practice.

Also: Anderson said Ondrej Pavelec will start versus Detroit.

[...] like Thrashers coach John Anderson is mixing the lines up at practice this morning and has Ilya Kovalchuk lining up with Peverley and [...]

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
3:05 pm

Haha, nice add there Diego. Of course it wouldn’t surprise me that Schubert was the last man.

MB

November 24th, 2009
3:37 pm

EOB, you crack me up. Your disdain for Max knows no bounds.

“…his goals in each of the two games before that were with less than a minute left in the game. That’s nice for the comeback and all but we need him for the first 59 minutes to be doing something.”

In the Boston game he also assisted on Kovy’s goal in the second and scored the goal at the end that earned the team a point, and for the three-game weekend he was a +4, tops on the team along with Kubina.

I swear if he were drinking out of the Cup at the end of the season you’d give him grief for spilling on his jersey.

Scotty

November 24th, 2009
3:55 pm

Players that score goals in the last minute of games to tie the score or pull teams to within one are normally called “clutch players’.

Now, if we could only get Little or White to score goals in the 60th minute, or the 1st minute or ANY minute in between, we would be just fine.

GaVaHokie

November 24th, 2009
3:57 pm

Viv… interesting that coach says the “lines are not set in stone”… if not, then i would like to see Antropov on the RW at least once. ;)

Diego from Lilburn

November 24th, 2009
4:10 pm

Jarndyce – hahaha! Awesome!

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
5:22 pm

Fine I’ll give you guys the “clutch” designation, but all everyone here keeps complaining about is how we don’t play 60 minutes, and in the last 3 games the only point Max has gotten in the 1st 59 minutes is a secondary PP assist against Boston in which they are just passing it around to each other unchallenged. Maybe if he did something earlier we wouldn’t need a “clutch” goal that in the end that doesn’t even make a difference 1/2 the time.

The disdain is slowly creeping back as the guy’s mini streak comes to an end like always.

R. Stroz

November 24th, 2009
5:29 pm

You have to feel bad for Kane. What did Kane do wrong? Getting stuck with Charmin will end his chances of getting the ROY.

While on the subject of Charmin, I think I’ll rename him White Cloud based on his dismal performance this season. To bad White Cloud wasn’t traded in the offseason for something of value.

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
5:53 pm

HEY! R. STROZ! So I never heard your answers how you claimed I couldn’t bash Max because I work for the team and you are going to call on your connections and have my tickets taken away from me. So how is it that you claim that I am some other poster on another site? How is it that you think I work for the team. Who are these connections that you have that would take employee tickets away from me? I still gotta hear this story.

R. Stroz

November 24th, 2009
6:09 pm

Hello Brian Kindzia,

I informed the Head of Sales Service and Retention at your request.

Now Brian, turn your insulin pump back on so you can think straight. Once again, you’re altering history, but that’s what we expect from you.

Doesn’t it just bite for you that Max is doing so much better than Todd White.

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
7:37 pm

R. Stroz! Great, you’ve given me a last name now too! So please, how is it you say, oh yeah, MAN UP! How is it that you claim to know what my name is? This is classic. Please tell us all how you come up with this.

OOOOOHHHHHHHHH!!!! Not the Head of Sales Service and Retention!!!!! Oh, someone help me from the all powerful R. Stroz who is going to cancel tickets that I don’t even have!

Dude, did you REALLY call the Thrashers Service and Retention complaining that some poster is bashing Max and you want his fictitious tickets taken away from him?

Saddest.

Post.

Ever.

Dray from Calgary

November 24th, 2009
7:48 pm

I’ve been really enjoying following the news about your Thrashers. You’ve got some good depth
in your line up and it’s great to see those Rusky’s playing with some passion and an edge.Also with something to prove! I’m a season ticket holder in Calgary and take pride in Iggy being the Captain so seeing Kovalchuck stand up for himself got me out of my seat. Which brings me to the question, do you think Valabek will have a regular spot in the lineup and what about minutes played and pairing ? What’s the general consequences about the improvement in his play after a season’s experience? Wouldn’t you want him having your captain’s back and any buzz on when he will be recalled? Also heard an interview on the Fan960 in Calgary with coach Anderson. For a second year coach I think the organization got it right. Go Thrashers Go and really appreciate seeing that they have some hardcore hockey fans.

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
7:58 pm

Dray – Valabik can stay in Chicago for all I care. He doesn’t fight much and he doesn’t hit like he should. He doesn’t clear the crease like Kubina.

Also, are you Dray Kinzia from Calgary? Because if you are, be careful what you say about Iginla. We have a poster named R. Stroz who will not hesitate to call the Calgary Flames Head of Sales Service and Retention and he will have your season tickets revoked!!! Don’t badmouth Jerome!

R. Stroz

November 24th, 2009
8:02 pm

How is it that you claim to know what my name is? This is classic. Please tell us all how you come up with this.

You told us over the last few months. Look in the mirror.

Dude, did you REALLY call the Thrashers Service and Retention complaining that some poster is bashing Max and you want his fictitious tickets taken away from him?

Not exactly, but once again you distort the facts. At least you’re consistent.

Isn’t Max having a good year so far?

Sure wish Todd White was playing as well as Max. Do you think White needs to spend some time in the pressbox?

Aren’t you glad Dudley was hired to help Waddell?

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
8:07 pm

“How is it that you claim to know what my name is? This is classic. Please tell us all how you come up with this.

You told us over the last few months. Look in the mirror.”

WOW! That really explained it for me. Can you be more specific? This is cracking me up. It’s hilarious. Say something else.

Wait, do you mean to say that you have been reading my posts for months now? How pathetic are you?

P.S. Brian Kinzia wants his tickets back. Hahahahhaha.

R. Stroz

November 24th, 2009
8:25 pm

WOW! That really explained it for me.

Glad to help.

Say something else.

Aren’t you glad the Thrashers swept the Sabres last season?

Are you looking forward to Dudley being named the Thrashers GM?

Do you think Little should be on a different line than White to help Little’s productivity? White sure is dragging Little down.

Dwayne

November 24th, 2009
8:34 pm

Dray, do yall want Doris Valabik???, if you got a bag of used pucks you can have him. He let Cindy Crotchby pummel his gonads up into his stomach and did nothing about it. He wont fight, he cant pass, he cant skate, hell, he tripped over ice while skating and broke his ankle. He could change lite bulbs for yall. He could put the star on top of the Christmas tree, kind of like that abominable snowman on Rudolph the Red Nose Riendeer.

Dray from Calgary

November 24th, 2009
9:27 pm

The Earl of Bud – Dwayne – I wish you were kidding me but obviously not. It’s obvious by his numbers that he shouldn’t have been a 1’st round draft pick, but still I thought, look at this guy, he’s 6ft 7, 200+ pounder. Clearing the front of the net should be a given ( 1rst round draft pick). When fighting with his reach I would have thought he would keep some opponents far enough away that they would need glasses to deliver back.Even if he hasn’t been the best fighter, to me this would mean he would be challenged more…So actually fighting more . So 50 games played, 132 PIM.,what was he taking a lot of stupid penalties vrs offsetting roughing/ majors. In the off season did anyone take him under their wing, take him back to skating fundamentals, send him to Boggymans boxing school to work on funamentals? It seems like a shame if it doesn’t work out.
Any news of an off season conditioning program ?( not the Chicago Wolves ) What kind of shape was he in when he showed up for camp? Do you think the organization will call him up anytime soon to see where he’s at?

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
9:33 pm

R. Stroz, once more, tell me why you think you have my identity and how you claim to know that I am on another blog.

But also please, do tell everyone what the Head of Sales Service and Retention told you when you called him, hahahahahahha. How long were you on hold for?

I’ve read some completely idiotic posts on internet forums before, but this one takes the cake.

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
9:40 pm

Dray, sorry for the odd replies, I got a nutjob here stalking me who claims to know my identity and threatening to call customer service, hahahaha.

Anyway, we already have 7 dmen on the roster with Schubert, Popovic and Salmella all taking turns in the press box. So why bother bringing Valabik up? As for his draft, I compare him to Tyler Myers. On draft day they are the exact same player. They have the exact same makeup and were taken maybe 1-2 spots apart from each other in the top 12 of the 1st round. But once they hit the ice, they are worlds apart and if you could predict that then you should be working in the Central Scouting Service. 1/2 the 1st round picks are busts anyway, I am a big defender of Slater’s given he was a “1st round pick” but when you look at the numbers he outperformed more than less who were picked 1-2 spots before and after him in previous years.

Dray from Calgary

November 24th, 2009
9:45 pm

I get the picture!

R. Stroz

November 24th, 2009
9:47 pm

I’ve read some completely idiotic posts on internet forums before, but this one takes the cake.

You should read your own posts more often then.

R. Stroz, once more, tell me why you think you have my identity and how you claim to know that I am on another blog.

Can you read? You’ve been telling me and everyone else for months.

hahahahahahha

Are you related to Pucks n Snot?

BTW, wouldn’t it be great if the Thrashers played the Preds more often?

reunite on ice...nice

November 24th, 2009
9:52 pm

Dray from Calgary

November 24th, 2009
9:57 pm

The Earl of Bud – So what’s with Afinogenov? ( Say that 5 times quickly) Does this seem like it might be streaky or do you you have the real deal here? It just amazes me how the mental game shows itself!

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
10:03 pm

Dray, I am originally from Buffalo as are a few of us down here in Atlanta, so we have been watching Max for 10 years now (we root for the Thrashers but still follow our old team back home). We know full well he is “enigmatic” to put it politely.

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
10:05 pm

Someone, PLEASE fill me in on R. Stroz here. Does he stalk everyone or just me?

Dray from Calgary

November 24th, 2009
10:08 pm

I hear you! Ok! Makes me think Love/Hate.

So what’s with Vanek? I’m serious.

R. Stroz

November 24th, 2009
10:20 pm

Someone, PLEASE fill me in on R. Stroz here. Does he stalk everyone or just me?

A little paranoid aren’t you or did you just take a few too many pucks to the head?

Why don’t you want to discuss the Thrashers?

Here are some interesting Thrasher topics:

Aren’t you glad the Thrashers swept the Sabres last season?

Are you looking forward to Dudley being named the Thrashers GM?

Do you think Little should be on a different line than White to help Little’s productivity? White sure is dragging Little down.

Isn’t Max having a good year so far?

Sure wish Todd White was playing as well as Max. Do you think White needs to spend some time in the pressbox?

Aren’t you glad Dudley was hired to help Waddell?

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
10:26 pm

“Why don’t you want to discuss the Thrashers?”

You got me there. Anyone who reads this blog clearly knows I don’t discuss the Thrashers.

C’mon R. Stroz, don’t you have better things to do besides follow me around. Thanks for reading all my posts.

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
10:27 pm

Dray – Vanek started out slow but he’s been piling up assists in the games I’ve watched him. Still does good on the PP which is where he got 1/2 his goals last year.

The Earl of Bud

November 24th, 2009
10:30 pm

Oh, I forgot to add for my favorite fan –

“Can you read? You’ve been telling me and everyone else for months.”

R. Stroz, can you please repeat my exact words? I don’t recall SAYING anything to the sort of another name or any such thing. Can you point to a post? Please be descriptive.

Dray from Calgary

November 24th, 2009
10:38 pm

The Earl of Bud- Since you’ve followed him, does this seem like a normal start for him and he’s going to break out like he always does or are there more serious problems? ie; injury? What’s with his line in general?

R. Stroz

November 24th, 2009
10:39 pm

Brian Kindzia – Thanks for the entertainment. There is nothing more entertaining than annoying the blog troll.

R. Stroz, can you please repeat my exact words? I don’t recall SAYING anything to the sort of another name or any such thing. Can you point to a post? Please be descriptive.

Why bother, you’ll just lie and claim its not you. Besides, why should I do your work for you.

BTW, I’m sure Ben Wright was happy to get rid of Lalalalafontaine.

Catch you later when I have some more time to burn. It sure was fun watching you respond like Pavlov’s dog.

Sure hope Kari is back in Thrasher blue real soon.

GO THRASHERS!

The Earl of Bud (the guy R. Stroz has been following around for months)

November 24th, 2009
10:39 pm

Anyone like my new sign on?

The Earl of Bud (the guy R. Stroz has been following around for months)

November 24th, 2009
10:43 pm

“Why bother, you’ll just lie and claim its not you. Besides, why should I do your work for you.”

R. Stroz, if you have proof then how can I claim otherwise? Why not just show us all what makes you believe that you can identify me from multiple different websites? How do you claim to call me Brian? I would love to hear that. If you refuse to back up your statements on the claims that I will just lie, why are your repeatedly posting after me right now? Why is it my work to provide evidence for your claims?

Please, tell us.

Dray from Calgary

November 24th, 2009
10:59 pm

The Earl of Bud – Good talking Thrashers / Hockey talk with you and Ah good luck!
It’s only 8:54 PM in Calgary and promised my girlfriend I would make an appearance at the Jan Arden concert but still interested in your take on the situation with Vanik. Do you think they would trade him?
I’ll check back later

The Earl of Bud (the guy R. Stroz has been following around for months)

November 24th, 2009
11:09 pm

Dray – not at all. The guy like the whole team has his droughts. The reason they are winning now is because of Miller and is under 2 GAA. They can’t get the lines straight between Connolly and Roy and Pomiville so that doesn’t help either.

Again, last year he was just the same and he still pulled out 40. So there is no pressure on him to get out of this funk and he is still putting up assists and getting his points that way. The goals will come.

Besides, Buffalo would never trade a player under contract through more than 1 year. Campbell they would get what they can for him since he was an UFA but unless it was a equally good scorer coming in return (which won’t come to them in a trade) they won’t give him up.

The Earl of Bud (the guy R. Stroz has been following around for months)

November 24th, 2009
11:15 pm

Dray, I just looked and he got a goal last game, so he’s already back on track. Granted the 10 games before that he only got 2 goals but still, he will get his share over the course of 80 games. If they keep him full time with Roy at ES and PP it will help even more. That means Connolly and Pominville have to produce on the other line though otherwise they shuffle lines like we need to in Atlanta.

Dray from Calgary

November 25th, 2009
10:40 am

Dwayne

November 25th, 2009
11:08 am

Looking forward to 7:30, got to get the Christmas tree up before then…do you believe that? Tree up before Thanksgiving and only 1 month till Christmas. Got to do what I got to do to watch my Thrashers.

GaVaHokie

November 25th, 2009
11:14 am

Viv… thanks for the Kubina article! Interesting stuff… have you gotten any indication from him that he wants to stay in Atlanta after this year?

Brendan

November 25th, 2009
1:18 pm

Hokie, can Waddell start contract talks with Kubina prior to Jan. 1st? I think he can, since he’s at the conclusion of a 4-5 year deal. I think it’s just the guys on a 1-year deal that have to wait until January before they can be re-upped.

I’m curious as to where Kubina wants to play next?

JS

November 25th, 2009
2:27 pm

Here is an interesting post on where TSN has the Thrashers ranked among the NHL. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=548

It’s hard to believe we are all acting like the end of the hockey world is here in Atlanta when they rank us like that. There are still a lot of games to play and hopefully this team can put a few winning periods, games, weeks, & months together and make this ranking hold true!

I have to believe that if Kovy signed and showed his belief in the team there would have to be a trickle down effect. I thought that was looking like a no brainer at the beginning of the season, but Kovy has looked uninspired the last two games. Some will say his fight against Cooke was a sign of inspiration, but I was there and thought he looked like he would rather be somewhere else than on the ice that night. By the third period he was frustrated and you could tell he was going to drop the gloves. The million dollar question is; was he frustrated with JA, the team, or his play? If it is the first two, it does not look good for Blueland. I am not a doomsday fan, I want this franchise to succeed as much as anyone. Let’s hope Lucky 7 is our number!!

The Earl of Bud

November 25th, 2009
3:41 pm

Brendan, it is only a guy like Armstrong or Afinogenov who were signed to 1 year deals that we would have to wait until 1 Jan 10 to start talks with.

JS – Welcome to Atlanta, home of the bandwagon. Although I always complain that we aren’t ranked high enough in those media power rankings, I honestly don’t think we should be that high. Still nice to see though.

The Earl of Bud

November 25th, 2009
4:32 pm

I don’t know if anyone posted this already, but even the Toronto Sun is predicting Kovalchuk will re-sign in Atlanta:

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/2009/11/22/11863796-sun.html

In other news Hossa might finally come back tonight for the ‘hawks.

Chris Vivlamore

November 25th, 2009
5:00 pm

GaVaHokie: Thanks for the kind words. I was actually quite happy with how the Kubina story turned out. Other than the quote he had about concentrating on this year and not wanting to think about next season, that’s all he said about his future in Atlanta. He is certainly making a strong case for himself.

Chris Vivlamore

November 25th, 2009
5:01 pm

ALL: Thanks for the continued support of this blog. My wishes to everyone for a Happy Thanksgiving.

The Earl of Bud

November 25th, 2009
7:47 pm

Unreal. Max comes through to Antro. We are hammered and can’t get it out, rush up the ice, 1-0.

Mike

November 25th, 2009
8:04 pm

What about lines: Kovy-Little-Antro, Kozlov-Peverly-Max, Kane-White-Armstrong, Boulton-Reasoner-Thorburn….I think the new line with kovy would get little and antro started, plus little is better on face offs. Just a thought considering all the line juggling tonight.

Smoothie

November 25th, 2009
8:11 pm

When did these fools completely forget how to play hockey as a team?

How in the world is Max Afinogenov the only one who not only hustles, but also seems to have any understanding of spacing, when to pass, when to shoot and how to get the puck deep???

Good Lord we look like a Junior team out there and have no business leading this hockey game. Gutsy penalty killing especially the first one when Marty had no stick and Pavs had Marty’s…wow!

The Earl of Bud

November 25th, 2009
8:12 pm

Mike, I think it is like this:

Kov-Pev-Army
Kane-Wht-Lit
Koz-Ant-Max
Slt-Reas-Thor

I actually like it although they still don’t have the jump. I don’t know if I like White between those 2 young guys to get them going, but maybe they will get him going.

Mike

November 25th, 2009
8:21 pm

EOB…I was coming up with different lines than what they are playing now. Yours are what they are actually playing, right?

Smoothie

November 25th, 2009
8:26 pm

Yes, EOB’s got the right lines…but if they keep playing like this we may end up with new lines by the end of the second. Time to drop White to the 4th line as he is as useless as teats on a male pig. And put Little up there with Kovy and Pevs.

Kovy – Pevs – Litts

Kozzy – Antro – Max

Kane – Reasy – Army

Slates – White – Thor

Brendan

November 25th, 2009
10:18 pm

Parenteau!! Who??? Parenteau, now 2-for-2 in the shootout, wins it for the NY Rangers over the Florida Panthers. W2G, Rangers! And, believe it or not, Toronto won a game in regulation time. I’m sorry. Finish sipping your beverage first. Swallow. Then read my post. I don’t accept dry cleaning bills. It might be time for a new monitor, anyways.

But yes! The Maple Leafs … win a game … in regulation. The victim? The Tampa Bay Lighning! Thanks Leafs.

And now, the main event. 40 saves by Pavelec, at the Joe,, for a 2-0 shutout win by … YOUR ATLANTA THRASHERS!! Woo-hoo!! 11-7-3. That’s good enough for four (4) games over .500. Remember, we’ve got to be TWELVE (12) games over .500 at season’s end, to make the playoffs. Ondrej shutout the L.A. Kings two weeks ago, and earlier this season, he made 50 saves in a win over Ottawa, in Ottawa. The Thrashers are “road warriors.” That’s 7-2-1 on the season.

When we examine the “character” of a team, we look at (1) Goals Against, for that is a stat that cannot lie or distort, (like an overall record can, especially with OTLs and SOL’s mucking things up,) and (2) road record. Our goals against is looking better than last year. And our road record is one of the best in the league.

Happy Thanksgiving! Don’t forget to include a re-signed Kovalchuk during your Thanksgiving prayer at tomorrow’s big feast.

The Earl of Bud

November 25th, 2009
10:22 pm

Mike, you might be catching them on a line change or something like that. I saw Reasoner out there with Kovalchuk but it was between shift changes so they weren’t on the same line at all.

Smoothie, I said in my earlier post that I didn’t like White between those two young guns. Although I would love Little to get up there with Kovalchuk and Peverley like you had. Problem is that with all the guys underperforming now, someone is going to get stuck on a bad line that you don’t want there. So in your example I don’t know if I want Kane there.

I was actually not impressed overall with the O. They looked very bad. If that tip goal by Antro doesn’t go in we are in trouble that game tonight, but a W is a W. I am starting to like Schubert. He pushed Zetterberg around more than a few times and is a big physical guy that up to this point I haven’t given him credit for.

The Earl of Bud

November 25th, 2009
10:24 pm

Brendan, I actually saw that the NYR game was going to shootout so I have the end of the OT on dvr and I was going to watch that in a bit. The Boston/Minny game is going to OT so keep an eye out there if it goes to SO.

Brendan

November 25th, 2009
10:59 pm

Bruins won it in the Shootout, over Minnesota. It was a good shootout. Milan Lucic fell awkwardly at the blueline. It looked bad. I’m no doctor, obviously. But it looked like tear or break of kind. I hope he’s going to be okay.

Okay, so I missed the entire Schubert interview in the second period. I was flipping over to the Sabres-Capitals game and the Lightning-Maple Leafs game. Can anyone do a brief recap of the subject matter? Actually, nevermind. The replay starts at 11PM on Fox SportsSouth.

Carolina is up, 1-0, on Anaheim after 1 period, at Honda Center. The Capitals did win that game vs. Buffalo, unfortunately. I think it ended up, 2-0. I don’t think Ovechkin got a point. But I haven’t checked the boxscore.

It was great to see Antropov add another goal. A simple tap-in, while standing on the goal line. I still want to see Nik actually fire the puck into the net. And Kozlov tallied. There are two guys who need to score more goals for Atlanta.

So, where are we, in the standings, compared to Tampa?

Mike

November 25th, 2009
11:08 pm

No my lines were my ideas…not anything I saw in the game tonight. Just trying to think of different combinations that I would like to see.

Midfield

November 25th, 2009
11:24 pm

Actually, Kane had an excellent two-way forechecking-backchecking game. You never can get enough this kind of skating against Detroit. Honestly, I’m not happy with Hainsey this far. I don’t even see how is he better than Salmela, who is a candidat for dressing down again, if he makes a few more turn-overs in the defensive zone. Hainsey got away with being big time out of position, when Bertuzzi skated into the boards on his break-away chance in the 3rd.

The Earl of Bud

November 25th, 2009
11:25 pm

Brendan, I watched the Buffalo game at the beginning as it started 1/2 hour before our’s. Ovechkin got a goal in the beginning of the first, slapshot that was kind of off-speed. Anyway, Avs-Preds are tied at end of game, might be another SO.

Mike, gotcha. Smoothie and I totally read your post wrong, our bad. But I see what you are saying now. That being said, after tonight I’m not sure what will happen for Fri night.

Brendan

November 25th, 2009
11:27 pm

Well, Ovechkin did have a goal, before they tossed his behind out of the game.

Tonight, Kozlov, Antropov, Kozlov, Hainsey and Bogosian were all +1. And our PP unit converted tonight. Kozlov had a goal an assist. And looky here, our “point-a-game” guys, Antropov and Afinogenov, had another point. Antro is now 2G, 19A, for 21 points in 21 games. Finny is 9G, 12A, for 21-points in 21 games. That’s consistency.

But that’s NOT the best thing that happened for the Thrashers tonight. No, the best thing that happened … was that #17 wasn’t putting on an audition for his next team. It was a “business as usual” type game for Kovalchuk.

Here’s a link to the boxscore. http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2009020345

The Earl of Bud

November 25th, 2009
11:29 pm

Midfield, I am glad that they are teaching Kane D first, but I want him to get his O game going too at some point. He’s shown he can do it. Maybe when the rest of the team wakes up. Can’t disagree about the result tonight. I’m actually not upset too much with the D at all. I liked Salmella’s play tonight that lead to the PP when he had the breakaway. Problem is that we only see him do that once every other game, but that is exactly the kind of play you want to see him make in JA’s system. Again, I liked Schubert tonight, first time he really stuck out for me.

The Earl of Bud

November 25th, 2009
11:32 pm

Brendan, don’t forget the PK was perfect again. That’s given during a shutout but still.

Was watching the Avs/Preds to see another SO, but the Preds just won their 7th in a row. Who says whiskey-tango-foxtrot here?

Brendan

November 25th, 2009
11:32 pm

Nashville beat Colorado, 4-3, in overtime. L.A. Kings and Edmonton Oilers are deadlocked at 1-1, with 15:00 left in the 3rd period. There might be overtime in that one, too. Carolina and Anaheim are now tied, 1-1.

Brendan

November 25th, 2009
11:35 pm

I posted, about two weeks ago, that GM David Poile knows he’s got to get his team back into the playoffs this year. In a market like Nashville, they can’t be outside of the playoffs for very long or interest will wane. The Preds just missed the dance last year. They gave it a good shot. One thing Poile must answer to is … no playoff series wins during his Administration. They own four (4) playoff wins over the mighty Red Wings. But that cannot continue to be their crowning achievement, as a franchise. They’ve got to get back into the playoffs, and then win a round.

Brendan

November 25th, 2009
11:37 pm

I see Chicago is up, 1-0, on Phoenix. Don’t tell me Hossa got it??

The Earl of Bud

November 25th, 2009
11:42 pm

Yeah, I’m usually watching Kings games because they are loaded with good fantasy players that I have a couple of.

Nash Vegas got back into it I think because Rinne is showing that he is not going to have a sophomore slump. I knew they were doing better but I didn’t know they just reeled off 7 in a row.

Let’s hope Pavelec goes the way of Rinne and not Mason. Although Mason is healthy again.

The Earl of Bud

November 25th, 2009
11:44 pm

No but Chicago is up 3-0 now and Hossa got the 2nd. Get this, all 3 goals were shorthanded. That’s got to be close to a record.

Brendan

November 26th, 2009
12:09 am

Anaheim just scored. It’s 2-1, Ducks over Carolina, with 7:00 left in reglations. What a goal!!

The Kings won, 2-1, over Edmonton, with a late goal by Greene.

Brendan

November 26th, 2009
12:23 am

The most short-handed goals by any player in one game was set by Theo Fleury, March 9, 1991, at St. Louis. He scored three (3) in a Calgary win, 8-4.

Dwayne

November 26th, 2009
7:19 am

I did not like the lines, Army 2 slow 4 Kovy. Koz 2 slow Max. But a win is a win.

Dwayne

November 26th, 2009
8:22 am

Line for the Carolina game should go like this…
??-??-??
??-??-??
??-??-??
??-??-??
See how much thought I put into it? None, you know why?? We are on the road against Carol-ina
Have a Blessed Thanksgiving Day…Be careful if your traveling.

Brendan

November 26th, 2009
9:09 am

Gobble, Gobble. Watch out for gravy. It’ll put ya right to sleep. And if you’re partaking in the “spirited” beverages, remember … let someone else drive home. Cops are out there, just looking to write up some DUI’s. That’s how community service gets done.

Brendan

November 26th, 2009
9:11 am

Happy Thanksgiving Chris Vivlamore. Keep up the good work on the blog.

The Earl of Bud

November 26th, 2009
9:49 am

Still woke up on time even though no work today (or tomorrow). Had some nice e-mails received this morning so I am surfing the web now. Dinner not until late afternoon but I can’t wait.

Happy Thanksgiving all, I’m thankful that there are a few Thrasher fans around to mix in with all the Sabres fans I hang out with (and just football fans in general college and pro that I hang out with in this city).

I am thankful we have a great beat reporter for the AJC hockey coverage.

Brendan – nice catch on the Fleury stat. Isn’t he playing, or trying to play, for Chicago now?

Dwayne, in theory you are right, but in reality, you need a bruiser or banger to mix in with speed. What’s the best thing for Kovalchuk? Another fast winger or a big body up the middle? I vote for the latter if I had to choose. If we can have both that is best but obviously that’s not working out for us either when we did that line. Speed kills, but sometimes it can be suicidal. Gotta agree with you on the line combos.

The Earl of Bud

November 26th, 2009
9:52 am

I’ll be thankful if Chris can add a closed italics sign to the html in my post above for my words in parenthesis. I’ll also be thankful if I can remember to do that myself in all future posts.

Dray from Calgary

November 26th, 2009
10:48 am

So last night I’m at the Dome watching the Flames & Yoke’s put on a defensive clinic ( Dawes scores the game winner against the team that wouldn’t resign him for 850K) but I’m rubbernecking up to the monitor… Thrashers 1 Redwings 0 ….Thrashers 2 Redwings 0……Final at the Joe. Yah Baby!!! That’s big on many levels. Later had to rewind the PVR watching Pevelec’s save on Zetterberg. WOW. One word, Goaltending. 2004 the Flames acquire Kipper who steals a couple of games, which inspires the players and then play till the Stanley Cup final. Look what Vancouver has done after getting Luongo or not done when he’s out. I think the key for the Thrashers now is to solidify two lines. Then what the heck, dare to dream.

MB

November 26th, 2009
11:17 am

Happy Thanksgiving, all!

Couldn’t watch the T-birds last night, so flipped around between other games. Watched a good bit of the 2nd of the Blackhawks v. Sharks…the Hawks were absolutely flying and San Jose looked completely lost/overmatched. Pretty impressive showing by Chicago.

As Minnesota and Boston went into overtime, I believe Rask had made 23 saves and Backstrom 13 saves. Can you imagine? Liked Minny’s third jerseys, btw…they went with a throwback style, much better than that color explosion they usually wear.

Brendan

November 26th, 2009
2:04 pm

EOB, I believe that Theoren Fleury officially announced his retirement earlier this Fall. But, he changes his mind frequently. I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised that he surfaces in some beer league or, even the ECHL.

The Earl of Bud

November 26th, 2009
2:52 pm

Brendan – I think I saw Theo at shoot-n-skate last Thursday, haha. Now that you say it I do remember now that that he retired after he unretired so you are right on that one.

MB – what package to you have that you caught those other games but not the Thrashers? I actually don’t care for Minny’s green color, so any jersey of theirs isn’t going to sit well with me, but I thought the ones last night were ok. WAY better than our 3rd’s for that matter.

Dray – weren’t you one bad call from winning the whole thing that year? Whose skate was it that was involved in that (non)goal?

MB

November 26th, 2009
3:57 pm

EOB, we ditched our cable this year, so we watch everything online (hooked up to our TV). So I typically watch the games through GameCenter. For whatever reason, last night’s game wasn’t available, which made me rather unhappy. Typically there are other, non-sanctioned, sites that have games available, but the quality of those feeds vary widely, and last night’s was basically unwatchable, so I listened to the end of the game while watching others on GameCenter.

Thus far, this method of watching games has mixed reviews from me, primarily because I’d like more games to be available (especially Thrashers games). I’d like for them to offer a “premium” service with every single game (that’s broadcast) available, but that’s wishful thinking, and I doubt that online viewership (as opposed to cable or satellite tv) will have the #s needed to prompt specific services designed for that audience any time soon (if ever).

Alan

November 27th, 2009
4:35 am

I’d like for them to offer a “premium” service with every single game (that’s broadcast) available

Why does it have to be “premium?” It should be standard.

The Earl of Bud

November 27th, 2009
11:27 am

MB (& Alan) – They do offer the premium service, are you watching the yahoo/comcast one? The yahoo/comcast only has a handful of games. The premium has every game except VS games and if it not broadcast like our last game against Tampa. It is basically the center ice package that I get through my dish (also available on cable) but through nhl.com. It’s got some goofy kinks, but all in all I worked around my biggest complaint (these little red dots that tell you where to fast forward to for a goal, but if you only see one more red dot and the game is 3-1 it ruins the game for you, but again I found a work around for that). I use it on the road and if you have a decent laptop/desktop it works pretty fine. Not as good as watching it at home but definitely will do. Another major reason I wouldn’t use it exclusively is not watching it in my living room on the TV and on the furniture where I can kick back (which I don’t mind watching it on a computer when I am on the road) but you sound like you worked around that with your TV.

Do you have a TV tuner card for your PC? Do you only watch hockey or do you watch other shows online? How do you do that, I would love to know.

MB

November 27th, 2009
12:44 pm

EOB, I get the package straight from NHL.com, but the Detroit game was not available (they’ll make it available within 48 hours as an archived game), even though it wasn’t on VS, TSN, RSN, or CBC. I need to dig in a little more to figure out why a game like that isn’t offered (it’s happened more than once to games I wanted to see). Are there different packages and I just missed that?

For the games that are offered, I think the service works well. Haven’t used it on the road yet, but wonder if you had any trouble with it recognizing a different IP address.

I have an adapter that plugs directly into my laptop with an HDMI connector to the TV, so it’s a direct hardline in. As for other shows, we don’t watch all that much. As an example, following the end of the Stanley Cup, the next TV we watched was the Ken Burns national park documentary in Sept/Oct. For that doc, PBS made it available online for a week starting the day after it’s television premiere. Similar story for another favorite show, “24.” Fox makes it available online the day after it’s on-air date. You’d have to check the network sites for your favorite shows to see if/when they offer episodes online.

We also watch some shows on Hulu and I’ve been able to watch college football through ESPN360.

The Earl of Bud

November 27th, 2009
2:55 pm

MB, I know a little trick that may or may not work with your gamecenter package. It’s borerline illegal so let me contact Chris Vivs before I post this (I know some sites prohibit posting web addresses and things of that nature that work around blackouts). I saw the Detroit game but I am away for Thanksgiving.

kracker

November 27th, 2009
4:35 pm

Hey Smoothie! Thanks for putting me right up top…I’m famous now LOL. So ya had JA over to your house for some schooling on the line formations. Ya done good, pal.

Seriously, Coach has to change the lines when they start not to work which is probably inevitable as the season goes on. The opponents either play against us or watch film on us and get a handle on out tendencies and how to defend what we do. Changing the lines scrambles those defensive plans and in turn helps get a stagnent offense going. I suspect that’s what gets it going more so than the “shake ‘em up” (the players) factor. I’ll leave when and how often to change the lines up to you ‘coaches’, hehe.

Brent

November 27th, 2009
7:34 pm

Hainsey blows ! That goal was on him. Why did Stupid Waddell waste all that money on him ? What a joke

Alan

November 27th, 2009
7:52 pm

Bud, the GameCenter Live package from NHL.com blacks out local games. I know of places where I can view streams and all, but I’d prefer to use legal channels (like GameCenter Live), as the video quality is infinitely better.

Midfield

November 27th, 2009
8:50 pm

Hainsey is by far the worst defenseman on the ice. Time for press box, Ron.

Smoothie

November 27th, 2009
9:04 pm

Bryan Little’s confidence is shot…he doesn’t know a stick blade from his butthole right now.

Time to bench everyone but Kane, Pevs, Army, Kovy, Max and Nik. Roll 2 lines and 4 D-men: Tobes and Kubes, Bogo and Schubert. That’s it, everyone else’s lazy ass sits and stews. Eff ‘em.

The Earl of Bud

November 27th, 2009
9:09 pm

Brent & Midfield, I have to disagree on that Samsonov goal. That was all Bogosian’s fault. The play started as a 2-on-2 with Hainsey and Bogosian back. But Bogosian let Erik Cole go right around him, that pulled Hainsey off of Samsonov and when Cole was allowed to pass the puck since he went right around Bogosian, Hainsey was pulled off and Samsonov was free to shoot the puck in.

Watch the replay, it will show the 2-on-2 and Cole going around Bogosian so easily that pulls Hainsey off. If played properly by Bogosian, Cole should’ve never got a shot or pass off.

Alan, it is using the real channels with the infinitely better quality, you’ll just get the blacked out games on them.

The Earl of Bud

November 27th, 2009
9:12 pm

Smoothie, are you really surprised though? I mean we should never have gotten out of that 1st period against Detroit with a 1-0 lead, they dominated us that whole period. We were lucky. Tonight it was the same thing, only the bounce didn’t go our way and we are getting outworked.

The Earl of Bud

November 27th, 2009
9:17 pm

Add Koz to your list Smoothie

GaVaHokie

November 27th, 2009
9:37 pm

Wow unreal… I think Mad Max should be re-nicknamed, “Clutch”.

Smoothie

November 27th, 2009
9:40 pm

5 to 4 now, are you kidding me?? I hate this team.

Smoothie

November 27th, 2009
9:41 pm

Enstrom and Kubina have been incredible this period!! 3 helpers for Tobes now. And I guess Bryan Little finally had a good cry during the intermission cuz he seems freed up now.

The Earl of Bud

November 27th, 2009
9:41 pm

Even I will say it was nice he scored a goal GaVaHokie but that wasn’t clutch per se, a goal in the middle of the 3rd? Little’s two assists were good, Peverley got a goal that gave us the lead. I can’t believe this team is up by a goal.

The Earl of Bud

November 27th, 2009
9:42 pm

Enstrom with 3 helpers?

The Earl of Bud

November 27th, 2009
9:44 pm

Kubina just went to +4 with that ENG. That is unbelievable.

Smoothie

November 27th, 2009
9:55 pm

Wow, I don’t know what to say…I am absolutely dumbfounded. If this team is going to play cat and mouse with the dregs of the league all season then I’m gonna find a new team to root for…I can’t take much more of this. Talk about reversing the mojo on the Cardiac Canes. We are the Thoracic Thrashers!! Geezus H!

Midfield

November 27th, 2009
9:56 pm

I feel sorry for Maurice. This may have been his last game with Carolina. Thrashers are known to kill coachs’ careers. I remember Larry Robinson and Slava Fetisov fired from New Jersey after Thrashers came back from 0:2 to win 5:2 – improbable against the tem like NJ. Tonight looked easy. Thrashers looked terrible, and the Canes looked like an AHL team in the 3rd. Well, the win’s a win. We’ll take it.

GaVaHokie

November 27th, 2009
9:56 pm

Clutch is coming up big when u need it… Max is Clutch!

Smoothie

November 27th, 2009
9:57 pm

Yeah EOB, he had the sweet backhand pass to Kovy for his goal out of the slot. He set up Kane on the first with a perfect pass on the tape for the redirect and he had a secondary assist on the poke-out up the ice to Kovy who then dropped it for a streaking Afinogenov.

GaVaHokie

November 27th, 2009
9:58 pm

I was going to be pissed if Legace beat us… You know that game meant a lot for him.

The Earl of Bud

November 27th, 2009
9:58 pm

We can’t do this against Philly tomorrow night, even without Nittymaki now. If they do, they will have to wear the maroon jerseys in the first then swtich to the blue jerseys in the 2nd or 3rd to let us know when the other team shows up.

The Earl of Bud

November 27th, 2009
10:01 pm

GaVaHokie, I was going to say I wouldn’t know who would feel like the bigger idiot – Anderson, Waddell or Pavalec if we lost 4-1 to Legace. Fortunately I will go look at the updated standings now instead :)

Russian

November 27th, 2009
10:16 pm

We have to keep same line.
Kovy-Antro-Max
Armi-Pever- Kane
Little-White-Slava
It worked much better. Let’ break a bad records against Phili.

Midfield

November 27th, 2009
10:22 pm

Where’s Boults? It’s time for Slater to take a rest. I would have a day off for Hainsey too. He’s due. Phili’s a big team, but Ron has been way too wobbly on his skates. I’d play Popovic tomorrow.

Smoothie

November 27th, 2009
10:27 pm

Russian is right, keep the lines intact and ride them ponies all the way to the Breeder’s Cup…um, I mean Stanley Cup!!

Okay, a bit of hyperbole, but WTF just happened??! I still don’t know why this team must play games with my heart…cue the Backstreet Boys!

The Earl of Bud

November 27th, 2009
10:36 pm

Smoothie, I was just going to say the same thing. Here’s the post I typed before hitting refresh-

Russian, I think we do have to go back to the original Russian line, not the new “ov” Russian line. Here are the lines for the 4 comeback goals tonight, goals in bold and assists in italics.

2g Koz-Ant-Lit
3g Kov-Ant-Max
4g Kov-Ant-Max
5g Kan-Pev-Lit

Perhaps:

Kov-Ant-Max
Kan-Pev-Lit
Koz-Wht-Arm

White & Kozlov both picked up points tonight too, so hopefully even that 3rd line can do something? I hope this is a sign that Little might be turning it around, he looked lost in the 1st.

Brendan

November 28th, 2009
3:52 am

Hokie, that’s 10G, 13A, for 23-points in 22 games for Finny. I have to agree with you. He’s becoming a clutch guy for Atlanta. Although, I do recall him missing a mostly open net as time was ticking down in one earlier game. But that’s now more of the “exception, than the rule” for Max Afinogenov, as a Thrasher. Let’s see, in mid-January, if he’s still being a “point-a-game” player. I think he’s got a good shot at it.

Midfield, I think Boulton was in the pressbox for this one. Here’s the boxscore. http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2009020360. It was great to get a 4-point swing on the ‘Canes tonight. I wonder what Carolina GM, Jim Rutherford, is thinking right about now? It’s never good to lose games at home. But it’s especially WORSE to lose games, AT HOME, during a HOLIDAY, when you’re the LAST PLACE team in the NHL, and you couldn’t even SALVAGE A POINT from a THREE (3) GOAL LEAD (4-1) heading into the third period. Against a division rival. Whoo-boy. Is Paul Maurice about the get the “ax?” Any moment now, Sage of Bluesland will appear to announce Paul Maurice as the next Coach the Thrashers got fired. Remember his, “The Threat is Real” T-shirts? Every time the Thrashers beat a team, and that coach subsequently got fired, he writes the Coach’s name down on the back of the shirt, adding the date of death to it. The front of the T-shirt says, “The Threat is Real.” The back of the T-shirt reads, “Lose to us … and you WILL get fired.” In fairness to the Sage, that T-shirt was born amidst the Curt Fraser era of the franchise, very early into Waddell’s Administration. Which is now in its 11th year and 10th season. Could this be the year that Waddell banks a playoff win? Even if it isn’t, he is, eventually, going to win a playoff game for this franchise. I truly believe that. When it happens, not IFF, I’ll gaze at my calendar, rub my chin, and say, “Well, I knew this day would come. I just thought it’d be a whole lot SOONER than this.” But it will, nonetheless, feel good.

MB

November 28th, 2009
9:45 am

Ugh, hated to miss that one…once again, unavailable through GameCenter online. Interesting that the last two away games were blocked, but tonight’s home game appears to be offered.

EOB, I believe you mentioned you’re away for the holiday, so I’m guessing you won’t be at tonight’s game…correct?

The Earl of Bud

November 28th, 2009
12:32 pm

MB, yes, I am out of town for Thanksgiving, but I sent Chris Vivlamore an e-mail if you talk to him or e-mail him.