Four goalies in the mix for Thrashers

I trust you’ve all seen the story I did yesterday on the Ilya Kovalchuk negotiations. Sounds like they are progressing. My impression – and it’s only my impression – is that there isn’t cause for concern right now. I spoke with Don Waddell for about a half hour on Monday in his office. His opinion is something will get done. Now, anything can happen in contract negotiations (again a lesson I learned in the Ken Griffey Jr. incident) but I haven’t sense a reason to worry in my reporting. I also think things may move a bit faster once Kovy returns to the states with training camp just around the corner.

I also met Nik Antropov, Todd White and Nathan Oystrick yesterday. They all were working out at the practice facility. Spent some time talking to each for future blogs and Sunday notes column. Antropov is indeed big. I really had no idea. He wasn’t real talkative, but that could have been my questions. I spoke to him a lot about Kovy. Andy Sutton was working out with them as well.

Now, for the title of the blog. I asked Waddell how Kari Lehtonen was progressing from his off-season back surgery. He said he gets weekly updates from Kari’s doctor and that all seems to be fine. They are not in a hurry to rush him back. Which brought us back to the goaltending situation. As you know, they have Johan Hedberg, Ondrej Pavelic and Lehtonen. However, Waddell reminded me not to forget about a new player in the mix – Drew MacIntyre. He was an unrestricted free agent the Thrashers signed on the same day they agreed to terms with Joel Kwiatkowski and Jason Krog.

“He’s going to compete for a job,” Waddell said Monday. “He’s a good goalie. He was one of the top goalies in the American league the last two years. We are very happy to sign him. He’ll be [in training camp]. He’ll compete for a spot. We are going to have some fun here.

“You can’t have enough [goaltending]. … The last few years when Kari’s been hurt, we’ve put ourselves in a very tough situation. You bury yourself in November, it’s tough to get out. It was a big decision this year to make sure we sign and have guys that can compete for that job. If somebody else comes in and competes and wins the job, that means they’re better. That’s our ultimate goal is to  be the best team we can this year.”

MacIntyre has a 91-49-8 record in 155 AHL games. He’s played with Grand Rapids, Manitoba and, most recently, Milwaukee. He has three straight seasons of at least 25 wins. Last season he was 34-15-4 with four shutouts and a 2.30 goals-against average. He led the AHL in wins, was fifth in GAA and sixth in save percentage.

One final plea for help. The story I did last week on Eric Boulton and Chris Thorburn training with a boxing instructor will run in tomorrow’s paper and be online later tonight. I need to include with it a list of the five all-time best fighters in the NHL. What’s your list? I could use a little help putting it together.

I am working on some advance stories today, so I will be on the blog for a good bit. I should be able to answer some questions.

Thanks folks.

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BUZZ

August 25th, 2009
10:28 am

George Parros because of the mustache (fans wear them too when he fights!)

Georges Laraque is probably the best fighter today.

Donald Brashear is another monster.

Derek Boogaard is probably biggest but not so quick with his hands.

Jared Boll is a youngster and undersized but crazy.

BUZZ

August 25th, 2009
10:31 am

Oh, you said ALL-TIME … that would be a different list … but maybe Tie Domi would be the first.

Claude Lemieux is another good one … and Dave Schultz who was with the Flyers when they were unstoppable.

The Earl of Bud

August 25th, 2009
10:49 am

Off the top of my head I would say Bob Probert, Tony Twist, Marty McSorley, Rob Ray & I hate to say it but Tie Domi. Give me some time to think and I will definitely replace Domi and my bias for Ray might get him off the list. Probert is the best though.

This 4th goalie is a safe bet because we can stick him in Chicago but if we brought in a Marty Biron a la NYI, Lehtonen and Pavelec would flip whereas they probably don’t feel threatened by this guy. But the injury toll on Lehtonen means something nonetheless so this is probably a good move.

Chris Vivlamore

August 25th, 2009
10:56 am

Here’s the early list. Absolutely subject to change.
1. Gordie Howe, 2. Dave Semenko, 3. Bob Probert, 4. Tiger Williams, 5. Dave Schultz

DanTheMan

August 25th, 2009
11:18 am

For a guy his size, Chris Nilan never backed off from a fight and from what i remember, he never really lost a fight. Maybe he did not K.O his opponent every time but he was a good fighter.

I guess that’s where he got his nickname “knuckles” from!

DanTheMan

August 25th, 2009
11:22 am

As a matter of fact, if you youtube Nilan’s name and Semenko, you’ll see they squared off a few times. Nilan concedes at least a foot in terms of height but he’s the one doing the punching.

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Smoothie

August 25th, 2009
11:45 am

Chris, thanks for the update on the Kovy negotiations. Good to hear something positive even if progress is slow. Obviously, with Kovy in France / Russia for the summer months, it’s unrealistic for much to happen. But the comments from both Waddell and more importantly, Grossman seem quite positive.

As for the goalie situation, the McIntyre signing was quite intriguing to me. Hopefully Ondrej Pavelec got the message loud and clear. He will need to step it up if he wants to be the #1 man this year…in Chicago! As always, the more competition, the better!

Smitty

August 25th, 2009
11:48 am

Chris,
You have to add Rob Ray to the mix. The NHL had to enact a rule because of him. Clark Gillies and Bob Nystrom also should be considered. Take Tiger off the list. Gillies manhandled him.

Todd

August 25th, 2009
12:43 pm

Probert, Domi, Joey Kocur, McSorley, Stu Grimson

Russian

August 25th, 2009
1:02 pm

I just checked NHLNumbers.com and Thrashers migth be lost all Goalies in 2010/2011 season. Moose will be UFA, Kari and Pavs are RFA. This is not a very good thing. :-(

five_hole

August 25th, 2009
1:08 pm

I agree with The Earl of Bud on Probert & Twist, and Smitty on Rob Ray. Twist had his career cut short (he tore up his knee in a motorcycle accident) but was without question the baddest fighter I ever saw. I would also include Gordie Howe and Tiger Williams. Honorable mention to Dave Schultz.

GaVaHokie

August 25th, 2009
1:23 pm

Pavelec’s going to be pissed… not only will he NOT make the Thrashers roster, but now he’ll be competing for time in Chicago… sweet!

R. Stroz

August 25th, 2009
1:29 pm

Didn’t Peverley play for Milwaukee? Kind of makes you wonder if Peverley and Anderson had some input on the MacIntyre acquistion.

R. Stroz

August 25th, 2009
1:32 pm

Best Fighter – Willi Plett. I watched him kick Williams and Schultz’s butts.

And Plett could score goals to boot.

The Earl of Bud

August 25th, 2009
1:35 pm

GVH, I sort of agree with you and I sort of think Pavelec might win the Thrashers job in camp because Lehtonen will be out of action.

On the fighters, some of the guys are before my time or I haven’t seen enough clips of them (growing up in Buffalo even if you were a little kid in the 80’s you have the image of Jim Schoenfeld and Cashman busting through the boards at the zamboni entrance and fighting in the hallway). I would agree with Grimson and Gillies added to the lists, but from what I hear and see Gordie Howe gets far more credit because he was so good at everything else. five_hole maybe you disagree with that. If we are going to throw size into the equation don’t forget that 5′9″ Danny Gare was a legend and stood up to Clark Gillies.

Chris Vivlamore

August 25th, 2009
1:48 pm

Wondering if it wouldn’t be better to do a list with one best fighter by era, maybe decade. It would allow us to get some of today’s guys in too. Also, who was the best Thrasher fighter? Odgers? Exelby?

R. Stroz

August 25th, 2009
1:51 pm

Vivlamore – If you’re going to TJ’s again this season, you better include Plett, as you might meet him.

Chris Vivlamore

August 25th, 2009
2:05 pm

What about this list? Bob Probert, Tiger Wiliams, Dave Semenko, Tie Domi and a fifth spot up for grabs between Marty McSorley, Dave Schultz, Stu Grissom, Donald Brashear, Clark Gillies and Joey Kocur.

five_hole

August 25th, 2009
2:08 pm

The Earl of BudI don’t disagree with you at all. I hate to admit this but I’m old enough to have seen Gordie Howe skate (with Detroit even). It was a different style of hockey back then. There were no “enforcers” per se; almost everyone (except for a few like John Bucyk of Boston) could fight.

Howe could do it all, and he was a bad man to fight.

I still think Twister was #1. I saw Bob Probert back down from him.

R. Stroz Forgot about Plett. A pretty good addition to the list.

Should we include the Hanson Bros in the list?

five_hole

August 25th, 2009
2:10 pm

ChrisDomi would not make my top 10.

The Earl of Bud

August 25th, 2009
2:10 pm

Chris Vivlamore

August 25th, 2009
2:10 pm

Just got a press release that the Gladiators have signed an affiliation agreement with the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Logan

August 25th, 2009
2:14 pm

Funny timing. there’s a Q & A with Macintyre on the Thrashers website.

http://thrashers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=486993&navid=atl-home-dl

For fighters- Probert has to be at the top of the list. Grimson was one of my favs.

[...] Thrashers are going to have four goalies in camp competing for the top two spots, writes Chris Vivlamore.  Always smart to have insurance around when Kari Lehtonen is number [...]

The Earl of Bud

August 25th, 2009
2:16 pm

five_hole, I was going to say that I think that the best fighters were in the 80’s because in today’s game yeah Brashear might be great but who else is there in the league? Back then EVERY team had it’s own true enforcer + some others who were willing to dance, not a Thorburn who can “stand in” if need be. To be the best among 20 – 40 is way better than being the best when there are only 5 left.

Now could I say anything about Tiger Williams or even much about Dave Schultz? Not really.

I also said that even though my first list had Domi at #5 I would eliminate him once I had time to think. Ray is obviuosly a sentimental favorite for me just like Plett might be for people from TJ’s. Probert, Twist & McSorley must stay on the list though.

The Earl of Bud

August 25th, 2009
2:19 pm

Why is someone linking to a website about a story about 4 Thrasher goalies? I got a better idea: SCROLL UP!!!

polskidawg

August 25th, 2009
2:22 pm

Willi was awesome – definitely a guy familiar with the Gordie Howe hat trick! As pure fighters go, though, for me:

Probert, Ray, Twist, Schultz and Domi.

Laraque may replace Domi in a few years. He’s the most intimidating player now.

Sadtoseeitthisway

August 25th, 2009
2:22 pm

Here`s a name from the last years of the original six. John Ferguson. Played for the Montreal Canadiens Stanley Cup teams of that era. I think he also played for the Rangers, and St.Louis Blues right after the first expansion.

Darkhorse

August 25th, 2009
2:33 pm

polskidawg’s list is closest to mine, but I will say Twist was the baddest mother I ever saw live. Probert #1 on my list also.

Here’s a youtube Twist tribute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EhaJ3iJGU

Waffleboy

August 25th, 2009
2:36 pm

Five all-time fighters in the NHL:

Tony Twist
Dave “Tiger” Williams
Bob Probert
Terry O’Reilly
Tie Domi

How am I the first one to mention Terry O’Reilly? The epitome of a hockey tough guy. He was suspended for hitting a ref in a playoff game. “Bloody” O’Reilly belongs on any list of all-time fighters in the NHL.

Chris Vivlamore

August 25th, 2009
2:39 pm

Darkhorse: It is very hard to argue with that video. Dude never stopped throwing. Good call.

Chris Vivlamore

August 25th, 2009
2:41 pm

I think we are getting close to a list that while not definitive (how could it be?) is pretty good. I’m told to reconsider Howe because in the pre-helmet days no one wanted to mess with him.

Chris Vivlamore

August 25th, 2009
2:45 pm

How about: Probert, Williams, Twist, Schultz and either McSorley or Howe?

Waffleboy

August 25th, 2009
2:47 pm

O’Reilly was also a two-time All-Star and four-time 20-goal scorer.

[...] GM Don Waddell says Drew MacIntyre will compete with the other three goalies (Lehtonen, Hedberg, Pavlec) for a spot in Atlanta and [...]

Waffleboy

August 25th, 2009
2:54 pm

Any image of Marty McScorley(6′1″, 235) is obscured by my memory of his bloody face after a fight with Wendel Clark(5′11″, 200) in the ‘93 Cambell Conference Finals.

Chris Vivlamore

August 25th, 2009
2:58 pm

Waffleboy: I keep coming back to Domi. Say what you will but he did fight.

Hockeyfan

August 25th, 2009
3:02 pm

Everybody is forgetting about “The missing link”, Link Gaetz

Toby

August 25th, 2009
3:04 pm

I’ll think up my list…but I think it’s unanimous…Probert is #1.

Great work on the Kovy info Chris…keep up the good work :)

mutton

August 25th, 2009
3:05 pm

Id say Bob Probert, Behn Wilson, Clark Gillies, Dave Brown, and Georges Laraque would be my preliminary list, but its subjective. And if you add the word “of” and say “5 of the best” then youve CYA’d and nobody can really tear you up for it.

R. Stroz

August 25th, 2009
3:08 pm

Plett consistently beat the hell out of Williams and Schultz, so I don’t see how Williams or Schultz are higher on the list.

mutton

August 25th, 2009
3:09 pm

Correction to my list: Id remove Wilson and stick Twister or McSorely in there. I tend to forget about them sometimes because I havent seen much of them. Thatd probly be how my list would end up after a lot more thought too.

Now as for favorites, Craig Berube is my all-time favorite, but thats another list entirely.

five_hole

August 25th, 2009
3:10 pm

The Earl of Bud Agreed. To me the 80’s were a golden era in Hockey. Back then you had the toughest fighters and the top scorers (Gretsky & Lemieux).

Chris Vivlamore

August 25th, 2009
3:14 pm

Stroz: Who else is on your list of five?

Chris Vivlamore

August 25th, 2009
3:21 pm

mutton: Good call on the CYA!

[...] under two hours before I posted the Q&A with Drew MacIntyre, Chris Vivlamore posted some quotes from Don Waddell on his blog talking about the goaltending [...]

The Earl of Bud

August 25th, 2009
3:52 pm

five_hole, I would say it continued through around 93 to 94 when Gretzky was in the finals, next year you had the Rangers. Lemeiux was still scoring 150 pts/yr, guys like Lafontaine, Mogilny, Hall & Oates, Pavel Bure were going strong, Selanne was coming on the scene with Winnipeg. Then came the strike and then came the trap.

lee

August 25th, 2009
4:25 pm

will someone please tell me a little bit more about this drew macintyre character. i haven’t heard much ’bout him.

-chris, great blog, exactly wat ive been waiting for.

sounds like everyone is getting along and things are going smoothly.

Waffleboy

August 25th, 2009
4:26 pm

Domi’s on my list, but not Schultz. As for Plett, how’s this for old school:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2vOH6Mkmrg]

Chris Vivlamore

August 25th, 2009
4:33 pm

OK, here is the final list – a very unscientific look at one person’s compilation of five OF the greatest fighters of all-time (in no particular order). How’s that for a qualifier?

1. Bob Probert
Generally considered the toughest and most feared fighter in NH history.
2. Tiger Williams
Holds the record for most NHL career penalty minutes (3,966). That’s almost three days.
3. Dave Schultz
“The Hammer” was the most notable of the Broad Street Bullies.
4. Tony Twist
A feared enforcer, he was a relentless puncher.
5. Gordie Howe
Not many wanted to fight Mr. Hockey, especially before helmets.

Thanks all for your help and the discussion. I have a feeling we could debate this a long time.

A27

August 25th, 2009
4:42 pm

My 5 – Stu “The Tombstone” Grimson, Bob Probert, Rob Ray, Terry O’Reilly, Tony Twist. Best Thrasher fighter’s Jeff Odgers and Eric Boulton.

five_hole

August 25th, 2009
4:53 pm

Interesting discussion Chris. Next time you should try the dirtiest player in the NHL. Now that would be a list.

lee

August 25th, 2009
4:57 pm

mine:
1. bob probert
2. Dave schultz
3. tie domy
4.Gordie Howe
5. Stu grimson

lee

August 25th, 2009
4:58 pm

you should do a tough guy list. richard zednick would be sommewhere on mine.

lee

August 25th, 2009
5:24 pm

u could do one on missing teeth too.

hello?????????!!!!!!! anyone there???

Scott

August 25th, 2009
5:31 pm

Dave Brown would destroy most guys listed above (this guy was tough and am surprised he is not on most lists. I guess most people do not know who he is. Gillies had fun with O’reilly throughout the Islander Bruin playoffs. Nystrom was pound for pound one of your tougher guys. Pound for pound, you have to love Domi and Stan Jonathan of the Boston Bruins. Dave Brown, Clark Gillies, Bob Nystrom, and pound for pound guys Tye Domi, and Stan Jonathan. Dave Brown is a no brainer.

Midfield

August 25th, 2009
7:19 pm

Interesting. Sutton hasn’t sold his house in Atlanta yet?

World Be Free

August 25th, 2009
7:34 pm

I’ve seen some of these names, but let me toss in a few on favorites.

Denis Potvin, great defenseman but he was also an animal.
Tony Twist-seen him somewhere here.
Stu Grimson-the Grim Reaper
Stan Jonathan-
LArru Robinson (kicked Dave Schultz’s ass on national TV in 75)
Terry O’Reilly
John Wensink
Val James and Jim Schoenfeld (for you older Sabres fans)
Enrico Ciccone
Gordie Lane (Islanders)
Chris Nilan
Cam Neely
Wendal Clark
Rick Tocchet
Chris Simon
Brad May
Matt Barnady
Kevin Maguire
Paul Laus
Scott Mellanby (in his prime)
Lyle Odelein
Mike Peluso
Dave Manson
Jerry Korab

And Ogie Oglethorpe

World Be Free

August 25th, 2009
7:38 pm

The story I hear about Domi and Ray is they were in the same hotelk room when they were braing in, becuase they had the same agent. They got into in int he hotel room, break the room to pieces.

The Stan Jonathan – Pierre Bouchard fight is the best one I ever saw. Jonathan was about 5′9″, Bouchard 6′3″. Jonnathan destroyed Bouchard, opened a gash on his head. John D’Amico was the linseman breaking the fight up, John D was covered with Bouchard blood.

Vote for the best linseman of all time– John D’Amico for sure, Neil Armstrong 2nd.

World Be Free

August 25th, 2009
7:42 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgPfQ-wfWWA

Jonathan/Bouchard-OK, so it’s not the best fight, but it’s pretty good

Your Mammy

August 25th, 2009
7:49 pm

CHRIS….MY VOTE FOR TOP FIGHTER IN THE NHL…..DEREK BOOGAARD OF THE MN WILD…..HE RUNS A FIGHT CAMP FOR KIDS IN THE OFF SEASON FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. THIS GUY CAN KNOCK PEOPLE OUT!!!!!!!

World Be Free

August 25th, 2009
7:53 pm

Add Al Secord and Nick Fotiu
Boogaard would probably be my no. 1 right now

Josh

August 25th, 2009
8:10 pm

Darcy Hordichuk has to be in there

Tony C.

August 25th, 2009
8:25 pm

Probert.

Period.

Although you may (or may not) give him the crown because of the whole cokeface thing. Still, I’ve never seen anybody just demolish people the way Probert did.

Semenko was good, but the only guy I’d say that gives Probert a true run for the money is Twist.

Also, Stu Grimmson was bad@ss.

But still, it’s Probert(*)

mutton

August 25th, 2009
11:03 pm

Vivi – Well done on the Boults/Thor article! I tend to enjoy the fighting aspect of hockey more than many, and I definitely enjoyed that article.

Keep up the good work!

Sadtoseeitthisway

August 26th, 2009
1:56 am

Toughest guy once he got his man in the stands? Had to be Terry O`Reilly. And why didn`t somebody vote for Berry Beck.

Justin

August 26th, 2009
2:54 am

Tiger Williams, Tony Twist, Bob Probert, Georges Laraque, Donald Brashear. Have to give the old and new credit. To be honest, any guy to drop the gloves deserves an applause.

Does Andy Sutton still live in Atlanta? Summer here?

I think you should definitely add a note to clarify the Kwiatkowski situation and the withdrawn contract due to his agreement with St. Petersburg.

ranallo10 (in AT)

August 26th, 2009
6:00 am

Focusing on the Thrashers, Exelby barely rates in my opinion:

1- Odgers
2 – Boulton
3 – Hordichuk
4 – Lessard
5 – Exelby
6 – Sutton

I don’t remember Lambert’s years too well, how was when finally throwing down? How about Tamer? Anyone I’m missing?

Exelby’s first fight was nice, but he kinda went downhill from the KO standard he set so early. After the Hollweg incident he’s been circling the drain in regards to fight quality, in my opinion (though, understandably so).

GaVaHokie

August 26th, 2009
8:19 am

I’d add that Kovalchuk fights are great, though few and far between.

How about Brayden Coburn? ;) It was quite humorous watching him get his ass beat.

GaVaHokie

August 26th, 2009
8:22 am

GaVaHokie

August 26th, 2009
8:25 am

Here’s a great fight between Denny Lambert and Eric Boulton (BUF)… enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAa53DRDL0Q&feature=related

Ugahall

August 26th, 2009
8:39 am

It’s simple former Atlanta Flame and Atlanta resident Willie Plett!

Chris Vivlamore

August 26th, 2009
8:40 am

Midfield, Justin: I’m told that Sutton still lives here. I didn’t get a chance to talk to him after speaking with Antropov, White and Oystrick. He’s been working out at the Thrashers facility quite a bit. Was wearing Islanders garb.

Justin: You are right on Kwiatkowski situation. I was just trying to point out how the signing of MacIntyre kind of slipped under the radar.

Your mammy: The camp by Boogaard was just a one-year thing two years ago, according to a Wild spokesperson. He has an injury, a shoulder I think, that prevented him from doing it this year.

mutton: Thanks. I’m glad you enjoyed the article. Boulton even gave me a hands-on demonstration of a hockey fight while explaining how he gets leverage while on skates.

mutton

August 26th, 2009
9:09 am

Hahaha I bet that was worth the price of admission. Kinda funny. When there was no news, the offseason dragged by and I thought sure I couldnt be more ready for the season to start. But now that theres been a little more lately, I believe Id have to say that I was wrong.

Just for fun, you should do a blog on who fights first for the Thrashers this season, and whom they fight. My prediction is that Boulton and Janssen fight on October 8th in St. Louis. That could be a real good one, two marathon counter-punchers who are about the same size and all.

GaVaHokie

August 26th, 2009
9:27 am

Going back to the goalie issue… was searching for some clips of Drew McIntyre… there’s a good amount on Youtube… just do a search for ‘Drew McIntyre Admirals’… otherwise, you’ll be weeding through a lot of WWE wrestling clips.

You’ll see a lot of acrobatic saves by McIntyre along the lines of the Donkey Kong save by Nurminen… but this is one of the more impressive one’s I’ve seen on his technique…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoD-ET__Be0&feature=related

Shutting down MacAuthor crashing the net… holding his ground.

World Be Free

August 26th, 2009
9:35 am

The Earl of Bud

August 26th, 2009
10:42 am

World Be Free, thanks for the link to the Bogo article.

I always try to see what would get a player in the top 30 since there are 30 teams in the league that would make them all-star material if they were the best per team).

For a forward they need to get to around a point per game (say 78 points in 82 games) to get in the top 30. For a defenseman they need to get ~1/2 point/game (say 40 points in 82 games). Then some forwards will blow away that rate and score 100 points or some defensemen like Lidstrom or Green will get a point/game. But Bogosian is doing very well at that rate. His +/- is very well too which I didn’t catch how well he did there last season until I saw his +11 in 39 games.

buzilla in CT

August 26th, 2009
12:06 pm

Two words. Troy Crowder. He was the biggest, baddest, MOFO to ever strap on skates. He played for the Devils when they wore the Christmas uniforms. I have never seen anyone better. He only lasted a few years but he beat the crap out all of the best fighters of the time. Check out youtube fights of him making Probert, Domi, Baumgartner his b*tch.

6′4 240. All awesome

buzilla in CT

August 26th, 2009
12:07 pm

World Be Free

August 26th, 2009
12:31 pm

EOB-I think people will get to know Bogo this year.
Buzilla-we all obviously missed Crowder, good call, he was tough.
We also forgot Goddard from Pittsburgh. I am trying to remember the gorilla that used to protect Mario in Pittsburgh, some big dude they got from the Rangers.

Denis Potvin is still the toughest, craziest dude I can remember int he game. Nobody would challenge him.

The Earl of Bud

August 26th, 2009
1:50 pm

WBF, Mario had Ulf Samuelson back then. He also had Kevin Stevens on his line who was a gorilla that racked up PIM but never dropped the gloves that much back then. Playing with Jagr & Lemeiux he was also a pt/gm player. Both of those guys went to the Rangers along with Jagr but none of them came from NYR to Pittsburgh.

World Be Free

August 26th, 2009
1:53 pm

EOB-there was another dude who was a monster and I forget his name. Will reserach tonight. Ulf was not a fighter, Stevens was and a good all around player.

The Earl of Bud

August 26th, 2009
2:16 pm

WBF, I am curious now as to who you are thinking about. That team was loaded with names back then. Ulf was more of a cheap shot artist but he did get in a lot of fights back then. I am trying to think of who was the big star that he kneed and knocked out of the playoffs. I was gonna say Roenick but I thought he got elbowed in the jaw by someone else? Now I’m trying to think who from the Dallas Stars got in a similar incident. Help me out here it’s getting fuzzy.

kracker

August 26th, 2009
3:37 pm

Chris, what’s the rammifications of the Glads changing their affiliation to the CBJ?

Jimbo

August 26th, 2009
4:07 pm

y top 5 enforcers- Probert, Dave “Cement Head” Semenko, Stu “The Grim Reaper” Grimson, Clark Gillies and Jack Carlson of the North Stars. Terrific left handed puncher.

Chris Vivlamore

August 26th, 2009
4:07 pm

Checking back in on my off day.

kracker: No real ramifications. Just means the Glads will serve as the ECHL affiliate for both the Thrashers and Blue Jackets.

j nes

August 26th, 2009
4:13 pm

Just saw this on yahoo.

According to The State of Hockey News, the worst fans in the NHL are:

No. 30 Atlanta Thrashers: “The Thrashers online presence is very small and that does little to help a team that many in Atlanta seem to struggle to remember they are even there. That sound you just heard was Ilya Kovalchuk(notes) screaming over the fact he has at least one more season with the team.”

I have to disagree. I think nontraditional hockey markets have some of the best fans. It is easy to be a fan in Canada or Boston or Detroit. We here in Atlanta are constantly fighting an uphill battle. People look at us like we are crazy when we profess our love of hockey, yet Phillips Arena still draws an average of over 14000 fans a game. If the article was trying to indicate which team had the “least” fans, than they could pick on Atlanta, Florida, and Phoenix, but what kind of subjective survey did they use to determine best and worst? Just because a bunch of Penguins fans get the number 87 tatooed on their backsides does not make them good fans. And I am willing to bet half of the morons that show up to a Thrashers/ Red Wings game at phillips with a detroit jersey on cant name more than four players on the roster.

The Earl of Bud

August 26th, 2009
4:41 pm

j nes, I read that article too. I found it flawed because while I agree with dropping Colorado to 26th because the moment their team started doing bad they stopped showing up. Wysh didn’t like that but I have to agree. However, if you are going to do that then why reward the Penguins who had horrible attendance and then when Crosby and company got drafted they started showing up?

I also hate how they put so much of an emphasis on “online presence”. I didn’t see how that is measured but just because a team like St. Louis doesn’t have good online prescense doesn’t mean they don’t talk about them around the watercooler.

Rogie

August 26th, 2009
5:09 pm

Steve Durbano deserves consideration. Played with Pittsburgh and KC in 1976 and had 310 penalty minutes which led the league (yes, more than anyone on the Broad Street Bullies during that year…).. What’s more, he was certifiably insane — a prerequisite for the perfect goon..

Brendan

August 26th, 2009
5:19 pm

Midfield, Sutton’s still waiting for Don Waddell to make him a contract offer. Bah-dum-pum. Sutton did wait a good bit of the 2007 offseason before he came to terms with another club.

Oh, great. Here comes the LITERAL CROWD to tell me Andy Sutton signed a three year deal, at $3 million-a-season, with the NY Islanders. Thanks. Mandy’s in his ‘contract year,’ so perhaps we’ll be seeing the BEST of him this season?

R. Stroz

August 26th, 2009
6:40 pm

Just because a bunch of Penguins fans get the number 87 tatooed on their backsides

However, it does mean they should all be wearing diapers.

World Be Free

August 26th, 2009
8:03 pm

Rogie-great call on Steve Durbano, I had him on my list too. What a thig he was!

World Be Free

August 26th, 2009
8:25 pm

EOB and eveyone-Pittsburgh’s policeman during Mario’s heyday was Jay Caufield. If you hit Mario you had to answer to Big Jay.

The Earl of Bud

August 26th, 2009
9:33 pm

World Be Free, I went and looked at the roster and PIM and I figured it was Caufield or Grant Jennings but I don’t remember either one that much. I did though find the info on Ulf’s knee-on-knee hit on Cam Neely that I was trying to recall earlier. Now if I can just recall the Roenick incident and the Dallas Stars knee-on-knee debacle. If anyone else knows what I’m trying to think of chime in please, it’s like a song that I can’t remember the name of.

Gabe

August 27th, 2009
7:58 am

I don’t know about the top 5, but regarding Dave Schultz, I was at the Flames and Flyers game in the Omni In which Schultz challenged Willie Plett. I’m pretty sure Plett was just a rookie then, but Plett beat the crap out of Schultz. This also was the night the benches emptied and both teams fought for what seemed like 20 minutes before the officials get break up all the fights. I’ll never forget Dan Bouchard and their goalie skating toward each other and meeting at center ice to duke it out. Definitely one of my favorite Atlanta sports memories!!

World Be Free

August 27th, 2009
8:19 am

Cannot remember EOB, but remember Grant Jennings was a Sabre at the end of his career.

Best fighting goalies? Billy Smith, Steve Shields (Shields could toss them). Andy Brown too -last goalie to NOT wear a mask.

Don’t remember the Roenick knee incident, but I do remember Ulfie on Cam.

j nes

August 27th, 2009
10:07 am

Ron Hextall has to mentioned when it comes to best goalie fighters. 714 career penalty minutes, I wish I could tell you how many of those were 5 for fighting; I know it has to be a few.

The Earl of Bud

August 27th, 2009
10:23 am

“Ulf was more of a cheap shot artist but he did get in a lot of fights back then. I am trying to think of who was the big star that he kneed and knocked out of the playoffs. I was gonna say Roenick but I thought he got elbowed in the jaw by someone else? Now I’m trying to think who from the Dallas Stars got in a similar incident.”

World Be Free, I just pieced it all together, these memories are getting pretty fuzzy. It was Cam Neely that I was thinking of that Ulf knocked out of the playoffs, and essentially forever. The Roenick jaw/knee thing with the Stars? That was Derian Hatcher of Dallas that broke his jaw when he was playing for Phoenix that I was thinking of.

I have to agree with j nes though, Hextall was a loony in the crease, but you know I will give Shields some due.

World Be Free

August 27th, 2009
7:12 pm

Steve Shields and Garth Snow (we forgot about Snow)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwaHRE2Infc

World Be Free

August 27th, 2009
7:18 pm

Pedro

August 27th, 2009
9:45 pm

HookyBob

August 28th, 2009
6:09 pm

For fighting goalies I have 2 names to put into the hat. Pasi Nuermanin (sp), and Billy Smith.

As for general fighters I’d think one has to consider John Ferguson and Keith Magnuson. Seems to me Eddie Shore was more of a fight waiting to happen. These are the guys that make one think all star wrestling is not so far off base.

Does anyone remember Francis Lassard? He fought,…but seemed to bleed really bad every time.

When does the puck drop anyway.

HookyBob

August 28th, 2009
6:30 pm

World be Free: I see you mentioned Billy Smith earlier. My oversight (and my poor short-term memory).

I’d always thought Gump (Worsley, not Forest) was the last goalie to play sans mask, but I see Wiki disagrees with me (well my memory again). Hard to believe no mask was ever the norm (when did baseball catchers starting wearing cages?). Of course that is back when seat belts were relatively new.

So Shields was a fighter. I wouldn’t mind seeing Kari getting in (initiating) a fight, say picking on a forward who hit one of our guys. That would sure send a message to the other players and our fans.

From the AHL fights I’ve seen,… Boris he can be a real animal. Hope he gets that going in the NHL. When do we play Boston again? (Doesn’t he have an IOU to settle with Chara?)

World Be Free

August 29th, 2009
9:44 am

Hookie-Sheilds actually develope the rep of being a goalie would would drop them-watch the Shields/Sean Burke video and the announcers are talking about it.

Andy Brown was the last golaie I can remember that played without a mask. Joe Daley was other one; I can remember Joe Daley with a 60+ save performance in the Sabres’ first season in Boston, with no mask.

What would make any goalie want to play without a mask? I guess only a goalie would know.

Duder

September 1st, 2009
4:18 pm

puck drops in a month, can we get more consistent on the bloggage?

Evan Foudoulis

September 1st, 2009
11:57 pm

Hockeybuzz are reporting that the thrashers have invited Manny Legace to training camp. That’s now 5 goalies in the mix. What is DW thinking? Trade? Doesn’t seem much of a market there at the moment.

mutton

September 2nd, 2009
8:57 am

I’d read that we’ve invited Legace, too. Can you get a confirmation on that one, Chris? Seems a bit odd to me, too, what with the contracts that are in their final year: Kari’s contract expires, Moose’s contract expires, I think Pavelec too; we signed Drew Mac who a lot expect to get the starter job in Chicago, we signed Manino who’s probably also headed for Chi-town; AND invited Legace to camp? Hey I’m all for depth at goal, but I don’t know about that either. You’ve gotta do SOMETHING with the guys whom you don’t put on NHL ice, and pulling a Tampa and having upper-echelon guys riding pine or rotting in the minors or essentially pulling a video game-GM sign-and-trade because you brought in too many is a very good way to get a very bad name for your franchise. And we’re just beginning to get over that from LAST summer, and the summer before that….

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Kenny

September 2nd, 2009
1:57 pm

Sounds like we are headed for another Lotto pick this year.

Kenny

September 2nd, 2009
1:58 pm

because none of those goalies will be resigned mutton

Buzzeng

September 2nd, 2009
6:47 pm

Hey Chris – This probably isn’t your responsibility, but why is there no “puck drops” countdown on the Thrasher homepage? GT has one. Falcons have one… Too early? It can’t start soon enough for me! Go Thrashers!!

Joshgekko

September 3rd, 2009
11:19 am

Why is it that there are players in duluth, yet we have to wait 9 days or more for a new blog in September. Meanwhile Iceman is churning them out. You have access, use it!

Chris Vivlamore

September 3rd, 2009
1:36 pm

Folks, I’m frantically trying to finish five stories that I have on my plate before training camp starts. I did finally confirm that Manny Legace, along with Dan Fritsche and Mark Popovic, are being invited to training camp on pro tryouts. Don’t be surprised if there are one or two others. I will put up a new blog tonight or tomorrow and then I leave for a mini-vacation. I have some days left to use. I assume you all would rather I take them now than once the season starts.

Buzzeng: I don’t know the answer the the puck drops countdown, but I will certainly pass on your concern. We are getting close.

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Don-in Canada

January 7th, 2010
2:24 am

I saw Howe fight John Ferguson once and poor Fergie didn’t know where the punches were coming from. He was confused. Howe had the sharpest elbows in the league and if went into a corner with him you would come out with sore ribs, if you were lucky. I remember watching a playoff game between Toronto and Boston and Forbes Kennedy went nuts! He fought half the Bruins team. Ted Green twice and even Cheevers in nets. He finally punched a linesman so he was done.