Heatley, Hossa not likely to return

Just finished an interview with Don Waddell about what’s next for the Thrashers now that the draft is over and free agency begins tomorrow. I will be writing a story for Thursday’s paper. It will be online tomorrow.

He’s obviously not going to tip his hand about what’s in the works, but something could get done with Toronto. They are still in talks.

So, I asked him what are the chances that Dany Heatley, who wants to be traded, and Marian Hossa, who becomes a free agent tomorrow, could return to the Thrashers.

After reminding me he could not speak specifically about each player because they are under contract with another team, Waddell did add: “That probably doesn’t make a lot of sense for us.”

There you have it. Stay tuned because I really think there will be movement if not this week, then next week.

106 comments Add your comment

TheFan79

June 30th, 2009
1:01 pm

First.Come on Thrashers make a move

bigjohnthrashfan

June 30th, 2009
1:07 pm

It’s time to make a splash and land a star center.

Wow, the same could be said for the Hawks!!

Darkhorse

June 30th, 2009
1:14 pm

I hope he knows bringing in old washed up guys(McKee, Spachek) and second/third liners(M. Sammuelson) to play on the first line and top D pairings are not going to impress Kovy one bit into signing an extension. I’m not sure how we are going to be able to get a top forward and/or top four dman here, but they better get creative and figure out a way to do at least one, if they want to satisfy Kovy and start selling season tix again.

B. Thenet

June 30th, 2009
1:14 pm

Does that mean we are going after Kaberle? I doubt the Leafs want a goalie, and if we want to add a defenseman we will need to move one considering how many we have under contract right now.

I do not think we can pay the price the Leafs would be asking for Kaberle.

Perhaps Stajan for Exelby +?

Thrasher 1

June 30th, 2009
1:19 pm

More like it doesn’t make a lot of sense for them. Why would either of those players return to Atlanta. This team is struggling and both of those guys want to win. Heatly in particular who is always welcomed with a chorus of boos.

Go young, play with energy, win as many as you lose and build ground up and lay out a plan that the public can understand. You do that and hockey will flourish in Atlanta.

Spud Webb

June 30th, 2009
1:20 pm

Has to be Kaberle doesn’t it from toronto???
Thanks for the info Chris. I’m interested to see how tomorrow shakes out!

Spud Webb

June 30th, 2009
1:21 pm

Have to think Burke is licking his chops, rading DW like most GM’s do? My fingers are crossed that we don’t take one in the pooper on any deal, but I’m very, very scared!!!!

Sara

June 30th, 2009
1:36 pm

Spud, so far Waddell’s ahead in the TO negotiation – Burke didn’t come away with the 4th overall pick. I think he was really counting on Donnie taking Kaberle for that pick so TO could either get up to #1 from #4 or at the very least snag the younger Schenn. (I know, boo hoo right?)

I would say Kaberle is the prime suspect which is fine by me. He isn’t going to cost a fortune, he still has two seasons on his contract, he’s still an All-Star. As long as he doesn’t cost the farm…I’d be happy with it. :)

NASCAR Dave

June 30th, 2009
1:39 pm

“Heatley, Hossa not likely to return”

GEEE, YA THINK??? MORON.

Dave

June 30th, 2009
1:39 pm

I have been a big Waddell supporter through thick and thin but both Hossa and Heatly make a ton of sense and would put us at least into the second round of the playoffs if not the conference finals!

NASCAR Dave

June 30th, 2009
1:42 pm

I liked how DONNIE FRAUDELL said KANE would be a Number 1 Center next to KOVY… LOL… I heard that one in 2002 about SLATER!!!! Silly DONNIE and his stupid quotes… Why are they bringing back that WORTHLESS player SLATER??? And why is DONNIE still here??? FIRE THE FRAUD!!! ATLANTA SPIRIT ARE CHEAP A$$ COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NASCAR Dave

June 30th, 2009
1:43 pm

DAVE, neither one of those players WANTS to come back, or WOULD EVER come back… And you can blame your GM for that…

Darren Elliot

June 30th, 2009
2:15 pm

NASCAP Dave…back in full force

five_hole

June 30th, 2009
2:16 pm

I don’t want Hossa back; especially for what he’s going to ask.
1. He’s invisible in the playoffs.
2. He’s going to ask for more than we can afford to pay.
3. I didn’t like the way he wanted out of here. F*#$ him!

I think Heatley got a bum rap leaving here, but the fact is that he wouldn’t want to come back either.

The moving hand writes, and having writ, moves on.

Darren Elliot

June 30th, 2009
2:16 pm

excuse me. “BACK IN FULL FORCE….NUFF SAID”

Chris Vivlamore

June 30th, 2009
2:18 pm

NASCAR Dave: I may be a moron for asking the question, but I’m pretty sure you don’t spell gee with three e’s. Thanks for playing.

GaVaHokie

June 30th, 2009
2:23 pm

Did anyone hear the Evander Kane interview this morning on Rude Awakening? I missed it.
I’m hoping they’ll post the audio sometime today or tomorrow.

http://www.680thefan.com

kovypleasestay

June 30th, 2009
2:31 pm

Wow, way to break some news there, Chris. I don’t mean to be so critical, but I don’t think any fan who knows anything about the Thrashers, or hockey for that matter, ever believed they might come back. They both burned rubber out of here so fast the bridges behind them are charred beyond recovery.

I know news is slow, but dayum.

ThrashDawg

June 30th, 2009
2:34 pm

Welcome back NASCAR Dave, I rarely post on any of the blogs but I had to point out how entertaining your posts are! Where have you been?

stendec

June 30th, 2009
2:35 pm

I sure as Hell would not want Maryann Hosebag back! Have enough slackers on THIS team as it is. Well, I see ignorant Thrasher fans wanted Kari Letenmin back! Congratulations. You have the untalented Finn space cadet! Get set for another season on the outside looking in as far as playoffs go. I guess some jerks just NEVER learn! Most sports fans are very intelligent. NOT THRASHER FANS! Pity.

Spud Webb

June 30th, 2009
2:41 pm

Agreed Sara, I would love to have Kaberle, I’m just scared what we will be giving back?? A goalie?? Picks??
What do you think??

Toby

June 30th, 2009
2:48 pm

Sara…do we need another puck moving D?

sisu

June 30th, 2009
2:53 pm

I hope that Kaberle does not come here…we had one and let him walk so why bring in another? Also, how quickly we forget what happened last season when the older guys were shipped out?

Sara

June 30th, 2009
2:57 pm

Sisu I don’t think anyone is forgetting but the D has been so weak that 1/3 of a season doesn’t suddenly guarantee a permanent fix and Waddell is intending to go fetch another one.

Toby – does Anderson like any other kind? ;)

LAC

June 30th, 2009
2:58 pm

Right on NASCARDAVE & Stendec, You both are RIGHT on with your Valuable comments, too bad others like this gava & alan cannot see the forest for the trees… But then one of those trees may fall on them and they will wake up and become believers not dreamers !!!!!!

B. Thenet

June 30th, 2009
3:09 pm

Chris V.

Do not feed the trolls. Guys like NASCAR Dave just want your attention, don’t give it to them.

Spud Webb

June 30th, 2009
3:11 pm

sisu, that logic is horrible. One was NOT a good d man, which is why he was let go, the other is, which is why it would be good to have him.
Make sense?
Like Cal Ripken was great, billy ripkin sucked. Same last name, different players.

Alan

June 30th, 2009
4:05 pm

too bad others like this gava & alan cannot see the forest for the trees

Don’t drag me into your little hatefest with Hokie.

Alan

June 30th, 2009
4:26 pm

I would love to have Kaberle

I wouldn’t. What do we need another offensive D-man for? Water boy? Puck bag carrier?

Nikita

June 30th, 2009
4:33 pm

Anyone have any predictions on what’ll happen to/with Eric Perrin?

Barry

June 30th, 2009
4:33 pm

As far as a stay at home defenseman goes…what you guys think about Hal Gill? He’ll be a UFA I believe.

Alan

June 30th, 2009
4:41 pm

Hal “Slower Than A Speeding Snail” Gill? No thanks. Scuderi, on the other hand…

Frosty the snowman

June 30th, 2009
5:04 pm

We aren’t gonna get a top 6 forward. We might get a dman through a trade, but we will overpay or give away too much in exchange. Would not be suprised if our 1st pick next year is involved, and prospects, and a roster player. Any free agents we sign will be the leftovers. Every offseason it is the same story. Maybe this coming season we can finish 5th from last with 76 pts!

Frosty the snowman

June 30th, 2009
5:07 pm

Rangers are gonna go after Heatley or maybe Hossa
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283329

MB

June 30th, 2009
5:11 pm

Gomez to the Habs for Higgins…though there may be more to it than that.

Tony C.

June 30th, 2009
5:19 pm

Get LaRose!!! Carolina still hasn’t made an offer from what I know.

Sara

June 30th, 2009
5:46 pm

Alan I get the point w/ Kaberle being an offensive d-man, but I’m looking at this from the context of Anderson’s system and what I think he is more inclined to be looking for. A guy with good puck-handling skills with offensive proclivities is likely to be rather prized.

Besides…think of this advantage..Kaberle can run accuracy drills with the team and maybe teach these boys not to hit the dang glass so often! ;)

Darkhorse

June 30th, 2009
5:53 pm

Tony C-LaRose reminds me of Armstrong somewhat. Gritty aggitator. Would love to see him take Thorburn’s role and spot. But we hear Thor’s coming back unfortunately.

Bogotown

June 30th, 2009
5:53 pm

Montreal got killed in that trade! They gave up Mcdonagh too!

NASCAR Dave

June 30th, 2009
6:07 pm

Hey… I hear ZHITHEAD and KLEE are available… LOL…

This KANE kid won’t even make the roster… he’s not ready yet…

Guess we’ll have to settle for another season of Silly DONNIE’s CHRISTINA THORBURN/ERICA PERRIN/and JENNY SLATER Roster… LOL

And where’s that (OTHER)BOB aka ATL Spirt (non) Sales Rep telling us how 112 is sold out with all those INVESTORS???

NASCAR Dave

June 30th, 2009
6:08 pm

Why is THORBURN coming back??? What did he contribute??? Didn’t BOGO have more goals than that PANSY who loses EVERY FIGHT???

NASCAR Dave

June 30th, 2009
6:09 pm

“I wouldn’t. What do we need another offensive D-man for? Water boy? Puck bag carrier?”

Come on, ALAN… We need him “TO REACH THE CAP FLOOR”… LOL!!!

Pretty pathetic what we have to suffer dealing with, HUH, ALAN???

Sage of Bluesland

June 30th, 2009
6:13 pm

Some “news” there…Who would have thought that Heatley or Hossa are not likely to return?! Really?!

As our esteemed beat-writer blustered to another: Thanks for playing.

This has been a waste of a few minutes of my life.

(Maybe I’ll get an admonishment via personal email like I did from another AJC beat writer?)

“…Maybe this coming season we can finish 5th from last with 76 pts!” Frosty–excellent point…Hey-ho, the sheep would consider that “incremental progress”…They have before–well during the first of bumbling Donny’s “Five-Year Plans”…

Sharon

June 30th, 2009
6:29 pm

“Welcome back NASCAR Dave… Where have you been?”

Incarcerated?

LAC

June 30th, 2009
6:49 pm

Found this bit in The Hockey News about Atlanta’s second round pick…
Sounds like this kid could really be a missing piece ofthe puzzle here.

What we lack is a real in your face type guy,and Carl seems to fit the bill !

2. Carl Klingberg, LW – Frolunda Jr. (Swe.): Atlanta will not be an easy team to play in the future, as both Klingberg and first round pick Evander Kane know how to punish with extreme prejudice. And for the young Swede, coming over to the smaller-sized North American rinks will only improve his results.

“It fits me good,” Klingberg said. “I’m a very North American player in style – I’m always looking for the closest way to the net.”

His physicality is a calling card, but skating and net play are right up there, too. Something of a mercenary this season, Klingberg played for three different teams in three different circuits – junior hockey and the top two Swedish Elite League rungs. The youngster already knows where he would like to develop next year.

“My expectation is to play Elite League 2,” Klingberg said. “But my goal is to play Elite League 1.”

As for coming to a non-traditional hockey market in Atlanta, Klingberg is very positive about his future home, even if his knowledge base is shallow.

“I know it’s very warm in June, July,” he said. “That will be good for me, because I have a very weak tan.” Drafted 34th overall by Atlanta in 2009.

kracker

June 30th, 2009
7:36 pm

There’s a lot of people to scroll past on the blog today.

Darren

June 30th, 2009
7:37 pm

LAC: Call me crazy, but I really can’t find any questionable draft picks this year. Every year, there seems to be some super tall and immobile defenseman they’d draft, or some tiny, speedy, forward that would seem like a bit of a gamble, but particularly the first three picks seem (from what all is known at this point in their careers) to be as good as they could have done. Of course, five years from now, we could all be saying, “but of COURSE Magnus Svensson Paajarvi was the right way to go…” but perhaps we’re already seeing dividends from the Dudley Effect.

PB

June 30th, 2009
7:45 pm

Wow. Good read, if you can get over the speedbumps.

Completely agree with Don that neither Dany nor Hossa would be a good fit here. In large part for the same reason that Heatley is now not a good fit in Ottawa – they both expressed a strong desire to not play here. But also in part because Don will probably not be able to afford either of them even if we wanted to (and I don’t think we do). Isn’t it funny that the two players who would otherwise be the best possible options at forward are unavailable to us for reasons that have nothing to do with cap and trade.

On defense, I think Kaberle would fit into Anderson’s system very well. And to answer the question posed above “What would we need another offensive D-man for?” Well, some more offense. He plays both well, and although it sucks to have to think of it this way, his value for the dollar makes him a good fit here.

On the forward side, I have to agree halfway with Frosty, my main concern at this point is that we will not be able to obtain a forward that can push our top six to a much better place. I don’t want someone to fit in, he has to make them better.

Here’s hoping Don finds a way. We will find out very soon.

Toby

June 30th, 2009
7:50 pm

At least Don isn’t Gainey….Montreal just got destroyed!!!

LAC

June 30th, 2009
7:55 pm

Darren, I agree this is most likely waddell’s best class ever.

I was concerned he would trade the pick, for some older player who would be here a couple years at best… But he did NOT and the franchise is better for it… You see what Pittsburgh has done, they were awful, they rebounded through the draft for the most part and we all know the rest of the story…

Also no under six feet guys which is a marked improvement, we need to get BIGGER and tougher to play against…

Let’s hope the spend “some” money and get some quality talent and make
a run at the playoffs next season, because #17 is watching all
of this and taking notes…

I really the first second round pick,Carl, he sounds like the ideal type guy we need !

Sara

June 30th, 2009
7:59 pm

LAC the official Thrashers website has interviews with both Morin and Klingberg, Pasquale and Sol I think too. But Klingberg’s interview is hilarious. He’s going to be fun to have around.

Tom

June 30th, 2009
8:10 pm

It is interesting how Hossa and Heatley’s careers are running together. Heatley, the petulant spoiled brat, running from adversity. Hossa, the soft Euro who seems to always be close to fulfilling his dreams but coming up short. Hossa signed a long term deal with a powerhouse team in Ottawa only to be quickly traded. Left the Penguins without the Cup for the Wings, and still does not have a Cup. And now has diminished his value that it will be hard to sign with a contender again.

My heart goes out to Hossa, he may be lacking that extra something but he is committed.

Heatley is just a primadonna.

Ice Meister

June 30th, 2009
8:17 pm

Former tennis phenom Anna Kournikova got into a fracas with another woman at a Las Vegas club on Saturday-A RUSSIAN THAT FIGHTS!

World Be Free

June 30th, 2009
8:20 pm

Sounds like Don is getting a vote of confidence for this year’s draft.

I think the club did their homework this year and got a little lucky with Morin and Carl falling into the 2nd round. The pick for Schneider came in handy.

I Antropov in our future. There are other UFAs but I don’t see them coming our way.

gcs

June 30th, 2009
8:30 pm

Time for the Thrashers to STEP UP!

ranallo10 (in AT)

June 30th, 2009
8:50 pm

Bouwmeester signed with Calgary for 5 years at $6.6M per.

kracker

June 30th, 2009
9:32 pm

What was Campbell? $7.2/yr?

Evander Hossafield

June 30th, 2009
9:42 pm

Everyone say it with me: SLOW NEWS DAY!!!

Midfield

June 30th, 2009
10:20 pm

Tom, how is Hossa committed? He was “mailing it in” in every team that he thought would not deliver the Cup to him. He thought that Pittsburgh and Detroit would. But apparently he does not understand that it is HIM who is supposed to deliver the Cup to the team – along with his teammates. And don’t insult European players by this cliche. Some how, nobody calls anyone a Canuck or a Yankee Softie, although I can call out quite a list of softies from North America.

ChippersLoveChild

June 30th, 2009
10:41 pm

Might have been obvious news, but I am thankful for the updates either way… it beats years in the past when we would go weeks without an update on the Thrashers page! Keep up the good work Chris.

R. Stroz

June 30th, 2009
10:57 pm

Looks like Heatley is going to Edmonton.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283356

atl in cayman

June 30th, 2009
11:44 pm

Note: In other news Hossa is set to become an UFA as he has apparently turned down a 10 year offer from the Wings.

Does this guy have a brain? Hasn’t Detroit won like 3 Stanley Cups in 12 years? I think that percentage is pretty good.
I’m glad he’s gone!
I think it was Hossa who said, “There is no I in TEAM, but there is a ME.”

Sharon

July 1st, 2009
2:17 am

The Heatley drama continues… what a joke.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283382

Sadtoseeitthisway

July 1st, 2009
4:28 am

Hey guys, lets get it straight! Concerning Hossa or Heatly, the Atlanta Spirit Group ain’t gonna step up and pay the kind of contract it would take to bring in either of these two. Yes, they both played here. But when they left they were seeking more money and playing in a more traditional market. As for Heatly. HE’S A CHERRY PICKER. After cruising around (loafing) he instantly picks up the pace when he smells a chance to shoot close in. Too many easy points. Lazy or non-existent back checker is a big part of his game. Buyer beware, he’s not worth the big bucks. As for Hossa. He plays great the first two thirds of the season, after that he gets banged up, beat up, and therefore becomes gun shy and timid. After 80 games (playoff time) his tank is nearly on empty. If you are a fan of his you say, Where’s the Hossa we saw two or three months ago? Hey folks, do you really want the Thrash to make a big money, long term commitment to either one of these guys?

LAC

July 1st, 2009
6:03 am

FYI —– ANAHEIM, Calif. – The Anaheim Ducks re-signed centre Erik Christensen to a one-year deal ahead of free agency, the team announced early Wednesday.

The Real Fan

July 1st, 2009
6:40 am

Anyone who believes that Hossa and Heatley can’t make us better is an idiot, Waddell.

Jimbo

July 1st, 2009
7:21 am

I don’t understand all the speculation about UFAs when Donnie Boy has not been able to sign one decent UFA in 10 years. The speculation should be whether or not he can break his streak.

KW - New blogger/Steady Thrash Fan

July 1st, 2009
8:27 am

Guys. . . I believe Tomas Kaberle was traded to Boston around draft day (unless the Leafs have BOTH Kaberle brothers!) for a forward. There’s a link about Heatley nixing a proposed deal to Edmonton – http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=432360 (it was mentioned on the ‘rumor mill’ on another sports site he “wants to live the high life”. Guerin took a pay cut to stay with the Pens, and a few others have re-signed with their respective teams – sounds as if SOME common sense/fears about the economy have taken hold with a few guys!

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 1st, 2009
8:51 am

KW — The Tomas Kaberle (Toronto) trade at draft day was for Phil Kessel (Boston), but did not come to fruition. Kaberle is still under contract with the Maple Leafs at this point in time.

GaVaHokie

July 1st, 2009
8:55 am

Well, get ready for a lot of bitching on here… according to Ben Wright…

Dudley is a master at finding underappreciated players, so don’t be surprised if he has his eye on another Rich Peverley who doesn’t sound like much when he’s acquired but ends up having a major impact.

GaVaHokie

July 1st, 2009
8:56 am

I’d like to see us sign a player that I don’t have to go to TSN or Hockeyfutures to see if it was a good acquisition.

Sage of Bluesland

July 1st, 2009
9:11 am

I absolutely loved Dany Heatley when he was here–and was crushed upon his departure (and mad at bumbling Donny for getting Hossa’d in the deal)…However, karma has turned for Dany in the worst way.

He has a bizarre streak in him, that’s for sure…I guess the Sens aren’t good enough anymore, now that they’re coming down from the mountain?

Makes me appreciate Ilya all that much more. Pride, respect, honor–Dany has little of all….He deserves every “boo” he receives. He’ll be receiving them in Ottawa, as well, soon enough.

GaVaHokie

July 1st, 2009
9:20 am

The latest from Eklund, for what it’s worth… I hope he’s right.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Are-You-Ready–Some-Predictions-for-Today/1/21896

Tom

July 1st, 2009
9:23 am

Midfield

My comment was probably misunderstood, or more likely poorly written. My point was that Hossa took a 1 yr deal to get an audition with the Red Wings and a Stanley Cup.

What the world saw was his fatal flaw, that when things got tough he lost a gear. If he had stepped up to another level he would have the world at his feet, and most likely his name on the Cup. Now Holland is letting him go, a smart move, and odds are Hossa will sign with a midlevel or lower echelon team where he can score his 40 goals a season and never have to get near the Cup again while getting the big paycheck.

Atlanta may be the perfect team for him.

GaVaHokie

July 1st, 2009
9:23 am

Going by Eklund’s rumors… I wouldn’t mind being the “surprising” team that gets Ohlund.

And by solid signings, he means Tier 2 players like Zanon and Sjostrom, I can maybe live with that.

However, those guys hardly require a “doorstep” visit.

Bob

July 1st, 2009
9:48 am

Remember they days when we still had hope that Waddell would be able to sign someone and July 1st came with anticipation? Now I just sit here almost gunshy to look at the wire fearful to see this year’s Ken Klee signing.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 1st, 2009
10:01 am

“Remember they days when we still had hope that Waddell would be able to sign someone and July 1st came with anticipation?”

Haha, not really…when was the day you were hopeful about Waddell convincing a quality player to sign with Atlanta?

Spud Webb

July 1st, 2009
11:14 am

WOW the Heater has hit a new low. Wants a trade, then nixes it?????????
ahhahahahaha, what a baby. I’m sure Ottowa is soooooooooooooooo happy to have him right now. Maybe to the rangers who just cleared some cash by shipping gomez out? The frogs can’t be happy about getting Gomez, since he’s not french canadian?? lol. Bowmeister taking a discount (well over 5million is a lot of money), good for him, he wanted to be there. Great trade by Calgary.
Not sure who posted it, there were a few, are you kidding me about us not needing D men? Have you seen this franchise for the last 10 years????
WE HAVE NEVER HAD A GOOD DEFENSE. The more the better in my mind. Get Kaberle AND a top 4 forward. Something has to be brewing, HOPING, PRAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Frontman

July 1st, 2009
11:49 am

“Dudley is a master at finding underappreciated players”
Translation: “He’s great at finding players on the cheap, which is all ASG is interested in anyway. Oh, that, and what they are going to do with Josh Smith.”

Bob

July 1st, 2009
1:34 pm

“when was the day you were hopeful about Waddell convincing a quality player to sign with Atlanta?”

One year ago today, and the name was Brian Campbell, oh and that Rolston guy too, remember?!?

Jenny

July 1st, 2009
1:38 pm

I don’t think this blog post is a waste of time or an indication of a “slow news day.” It’s short and to the point, and addresses an question that I’ve seen posed elsewhere.

Does Atlanta want Heatly back? No. Does Atlanta want Hossa back? Hell no. But it’s not just about the moeny and their performances. Thier departures were very personal for the team and for the fans.

So, okay. You take away the drama that follows Heatly in Atlanta, and you take away the fact the Hossa left us hanging out to dry 2007-2008, and you treat them like the UFAs that they are. If you objectively look at the situation, you do have to consider whether they’d be a good fit for this team. Obviously they wouldn’t, but come on. It’d be stupid for Chris not to take the 2 seconds to address it. Give the man some slack.

Bob

July 1st, 2009
1:38 pm

“WOW the Heater has hit a new low. Wants a trade, then nixes it?????????”

Yep, is there anyone left that doesn’t finally understand that Heatley just used the wreck to get his way out of here and that yes, he did insult us all the minute he landed in Ottawa with his comments about us (I’m lookin at you, ranallo)?

Jenny

July 1st, 2009
1:40 pm

Wow, I also apologize for all the typos. I swear I proofread it before I posted it!

Thrashfan17

July 1st, 2009
1:57 pm

Couldn’t agree with you more Darkhorse…and another thing we simply cannot do is sign an injury prone guy aka Jason Williams. I would love to get a hold of Brian Gionta, who had a breakout year for the Devils last season. I am holding my breath to see what Wadell is going to do with the Maple Leafs, but something tells me we’re in for another dissapointing deal

Billsen

July 1st, 2009
2:16 pm

Don’t worry about Hossa – he just signed a TWELVE year deal with the Blackhawks.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4300131

Wow.

MFP

July 1st, 2009
2:46 pm

Hossa to the Blackhawks….looks like he’ll watch another eastern conference team skate the cup in front of him next year! ha ha!

MB

July 1st, 2009
2:56 pm

TF17, Gionta actually had a breakout year in ‘05-’06, and seems to have been pretty steady the past few seasons. He had 20 fewer goals and 30 fewer points this season compared to that one. Biggest concern about his, though, is his size. Many here often complain about the Birds having too many smurfs up front, and at 5′7″, 185, Gionta doesn’t do much to help that.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 1st, 2009
3:03 pm

Haha, good call Bob.

“I was surprised [by his request from Atlanta,] I could understand that one because I probably knew a few things that other people didn’t that go on behind the scenes, and it was difficult for him.”

That’s Dan Snyder’s father, recently, regarding Heatley wanting out of Atlanta. You’re that sure of your opinion that you would contradict the father of the man accidentally killed by Heatley’s accident, and presume to claim he used the accident as a quick out of Atlanta? If so, good for you…I’m not. And no matter how much you think his actions “prove” anything about his time in Atlanta and his personal reasons for leaving…I don’t. I’m pretty sure I’m allowed to have a different opinion than you.

Foster

July 1st, 2009
3:55 pm

Damien Cox of the Toronto Star is reporting that the Thrashers have acquired D Pavel Kubina from the Leafs. Doesn’t say what we give up, but it is a start at improving our defense if this deal does happen.

Link: http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/

PensFan

July 1st, 2009
5:18 pm

Considering the market and his recent playoff performance, Hossa made out pretty good. Still that is 20M less and 3 more years he is tied up for compared to the 81M over 9 year offer from Edmonton last year. So if we include the Det 1 year deal , it’s like he signed a 13 year 70M contract.

Then again, Chicago is probably a more fun place to live in compared to Edmonton. While this deal is good for Chicago for the next 5 years, the last 3 or 4 years of the deal, a 38-42 year old Hossa will be eating up 5 M per year of cap space. He may still be good at that age(look at Guerin now), but he won’t be worth more than half that cap space at that time.

This is the way I see hossa’s deal. Chicago probably should hope he can be a 7M player for the next 6 years. Then they have to hope he can be a 6M player at the age of 36 for 2 years. The last 4 years, they should hope he is still playing at the level of a 2M a year player.

Or one can say Chicago cursed themselves for 12 more years without the cup!! heh heh.

Thrasher_Ed

July 1st, 2009
5:47 pm

Chris Vivlamore,
Wake up man!! TSN is reporting Exelby to Toronto for Pavel Kubina! Thrashers fans need some updates!!!!!!!

UpperDeck4Life

July 1st, 2009
6:04 pm

Kubina and the rights to a guy named Stapleton for XLB and Colin Stuart.

UpperDeck4Life

July 1st, 2009
6:07 pm

Stapleton played a lot for the Leafs minor league team in the AHL so it looks like he was acquired for the Wolves.

UpperDeck4Life

July 1st, 2009
6:17 pm

Kubina has one year left on his contract at 5 million for the season.

Red Light

July 1st, 2009
6:21 pm

Salary dump for the Leafs and in Kubina you get the next Uwe Krupp. Never a fan of out-of-position Exelby but according to one site, the Thrashers now have approximately $16 million invested in Kubina, Hainsey, Salmela, Enstrom and Bogosian. Add another $16 million for one goalie and seven forwards under contract and they’re still along way from completing a roster and from the floor. Komisarek goes to the Leafs, which can’t be much of a surprise given Burke just got rid of $5 million in salary to Waddell and Co.

Chris Vivlamore

July 1st, 2009
6:32 pm

I’m working on trade rumor folks. Heard the same thing abut Kubina. All I can say for certain right now is it’s possible but that the Thrashers have no announcement to make. I promise to let you know as soon as I know something more.

GSU-Lee

July 1st, 2009
6:32 pm

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283448

Here is the link for the trade…I like Kubina, and we really didn’t give up much for him. But he ain’t cheap, that’s for sure. And he is only signed through next year

GSU-Lee

July 1st, 2009
6:34 pm

What does anyone know about this Stapleton guy? This isn’t eactly the trade I was hoping for…

Red Light

July 1st, 2009
6:41 pm

Hey Lee, since you have been a Thrashers’ fan, just when did you get the trade you were hoping for?

GSU-Lee

July 1st, 2009
6:47 pm

Red Light, excellent question.

By the way, ESPN is now reporting the trade as well. The other guy is Tim Stapleton. He is 27 and listed as a center but has like 3 career NHL games under his belt

GSU-Lee

July 1st, 2009
6:49 pm

Realistically, we aren’t giving up much in this trade. X is popular and a good guy, but not a great defender. Kubina will be a solid veteran for us, I think. But unless we are good this year (which would mean we need a lot more than we got) why would he want to stay? I guess if nothing else DW has landed us a trading chip at the deadline that we can use to get more draft picks since we will probably suck

not enough for kovy

July 1st, 2009
6:50 pm

now what? And KUDOS to Wikipedia.org : Pavel Kubina (born April 15, 1977, in Čeladná, Czechoslovakia) is a Czech professional ice hockey defenceman, currently playing for the Atlanta Thrashers of the National Hockey League.
That was quick.
So is it just me or does anyone agree that this is barely scratching the surface for what Kovy (and all of the Thrasher fans) expects to see?
It’s a good start and I really liked xlb. Hate to see him go.

BehindEnemyLines

July 1st, 2009
7:08 pm

And now there’s one less reason to bother going to Phillips as long as DW is at the helm of the Bluetanic.

Chris Vivlamore

July 1st, 2009
7:21 pm

From all indications I have, the deal should be announced tonight. It is just as TSN first reported – Kubina for Exelby and Stuart. I will put up a new blog when it’s official so we can continue the conversation.

Brendan

July 1st, 2009
10:19 pm

Been traveling all day, but tried to keep up via the radio, as best I could. First off, why are we still beating up the beat writer? When I read the blog title, here’s what I took away from the blog title: “Don’t expect a well known, Tier I player to arrive.” Not, Heatley and Hossa won’t have a change of heart and decide to return. Now, you might well want to criticize CV over an implication that Tier I guys aren’t coming, but we didn’t really know to what extent the Thrashers were going to kowtow to Kovalchuk on July 1. So far, there’s been one trade, and nothing magnanimous at that. Longtime Thrasher fans don’t expect much. But newer fans, or Kovalchuk fans, maybe DID expect a big splash today. I don’t really think Vivlamore did anything wrong with this blog title.

Now, busy day, obviously. Komisarek, Niedermayer, Ohlund, Gaborik and the Sedins are gone. Who’s still left? I didn’t see Beauchemin taken yet, or Scudderi, but I’m out of the loop. I just set foot in the door, after unpacking. Not that I thought he’d be coming here, but all day long … I mused that if Kari Lehtonen were to be traded today, it might impress Kovalchuk to land Nicholai Khabibulin. But I now see The Bulin Wall did a multi-year deal with Edmonton. Again, Khabibulin decisions always surprise me, though he has every right to pursue his best FINANCIAL options. Truthfully, I must admit that I haven’t seen the salary figures. But one can, legitimately, assume the Oilers overpaid, due to their market situation, previous RFA poaching efforts, and the knowledge that Khabibulin follows the money trail, whereever it leads. With that in mind, I thought even Atlanta could get in on that bidding. Khabibulin doesn’t seem to care where he plays, so long as the money in good.

Regarding Hossa’s 12-year deal, I’m … not surprised by Chicago being his next team, after Detroit. I’m sure he wanted Detroit. But it couldn’t be done. This morning, in USAToday, I read that Ken Holland said, “I’m not optimistic.” At that moment, I thought Chicago might be next. If I had to pick a team that I thought was headed to the CF or SCF, Chicago makes my list. I am surprised by a 12-year commitment by Hossa to play in Chicago. Yes, I must volunteer that. But by my calculations, Hossa’s an $8 million guy. So, 8-year @ $8 million per year would mean $64 million. The figure I saw, if accurate, is $62 million and change for 12 years. That’s like giving Chicago 4 FREE years. Granted, those four FREE YEARS are age 38-42, where his value would presummably diminish. And, despite leaving money on the table, in my view, his agent potentially made him easier to trade down the road. Let’s say 4 years later, Chicago hasn’t won the Cup and is now on the decline. Hossa is 34, and a cap hit of just over $5 million. And a good chunk of that presummably FRONT LOADED contract has already been paid by Chicago. That’s the time when a cash strapped market, like Atlanta, but NOT ATLANTA … can swoop in and snare a quality player, if Chicago wants to hold a firesale, or just marginally shake things up.

PensFan, if Edmonton really offered $81 million over 9 years, last season, Hossa left a lot of money on the table in rejecting their offer. I had heard the Pens deal was 6 years/$48 million. But you’d know far better than I. I defer to you on Penguins-later matters.

PensFan

July 2nd, 2009
12:01 am

Brendan, Pens only offered 7M a year for 5 to 7 years(i forget how long). The Oilers offer was out of this world and a stupid offer in my opinion. Red Wings offered him only 4M a year. I am going to guess they offered him close to 10 years.