Hossa returns to Pittsburgh for Finals

I came across a story on the Associated Press wire service that included Marian Hossa’s thoughts about returning to Pittsburgh for the Cup finals as a member of Detroit tonight. I thought I would pass it along.

This from the former Thrasher: “It’s going to be loud in Pittsburgh,” said Hossa, who left the Penguins after last year’s finals loss to Detroit and signed a cheaper and shorter deal with the Red Wings. “They show you what they think. It’s going to be great atmosphere.
“Nothing is going to change on my part. I just try to use it to my advantage, that booing. Play my game.”

So, if Hossa wins the Cup this year and is back on the market – assuming he doesn’t re-sign with the Red Wings – where does he end up?

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GaVaHokie

June 2nd, 2009
12:24 pm

If the salary cap ends up being $54 million, and Detroit is already at $51.2 million for next year… is Hossa really going to take a $3 million salary? That would also mean Detroit lets Samuelsson, Hudler, and Kopecky walk away… and if Hossa wants at least $5 million, they’ll have to deal away someone else.

That’s also assuming that Detroit is happy with Osgood and Howard in net.

They probably can’t do anything until Lidstrom makes a decision on retirement, which will probably drag out awhile.

Tom Davis

June 2nd, 2009
12:30 pm

colby armstrong must wonder why he had to play for the thrashers

DWTOO

June 2nd, 2009
12:35 pm

Hossa? Hope it’s a beer league team in Slovakia. He’s on the permanent list!

Ice Meister

June 2nd, 2009
12:37 pm

Depends on if winning the Cup this year satisfies his need to win. He looks pretty comfortable in Detroit, so he may take the homie discount just like Zetterburg and the Mule.

If he decides to leave, he could end up in alotta places. He is rumored to Montreal to play with Jacques Martin.

Back to Atlanta? NAH!!!

Dwayne

June 2nd, 2009
1:16 pm

Tom, i guess he was just down right lucky.

The Joker

June 2nd, 2009
2:19 pm

Brendan

June 2nd, 2009
4:49 pm

Uhh, I actually didn’t answer Vivlamore’s question, now did I? He said, “iffff Hossa doesn’t re-sign with Detroit.” Hmmn, my next guess would be the Toronto Maple Leafs, and he asks Brian Burke to sign his brother, too.

Brendan

June 2nd, 2009
5:03 pm

My earlier post didn’t take. I guess it hit a spam filter. I didn’t include any links in it.

World be Free

June 2nd, 2009
5:13 pm

I don’t see Hossa going to the Leafs, since they are going to stink for the next 3 years. Mary Ann does not like teams that stink.

Brendan

June 2nd, 2009
11:06 pm

John Ferguson, Jr. is gone now. Long, long gone now. Brian Burke, aided by Cliff Fletcher, has assumed control of the Leafs as GM. Toronto, depending on who you ask, and at the time you ask it, is the epicenter of the Hockey Universe. Some agree. Some DON’T. In any case, Toronto is a very visibile hockey market. And a very traditional hockey market, whose history traces back to 1917.

When their ship gets “righted,” it would be one of the most awesome places to play. And if, by some chance, a Stanley Cup is actually produced, after 40+ years of drought, the 23 names on that roster will be immortalized in 24 karat gold, with makeshift shrines appearing all through the city. Head Coach Ron Wilson, with a Cup win, would be absolved of any and all past failures, and bumped to the front of the line for enshrinement in “le temple de la renommee du hockey.” And gone will be the moniker, “Marty Schottenheimer of hockey.”

Toronto sells out every game. So there’s no lack of revenue there. The Toronto newspapers are replete with hockey articles. There is certainly ample opportunity for commercial endorsements. The players who EVENTUALLY bring home that Cup … will be Heros in Canada, for life. Let’s not forget, the last Canadian city to hoist the silver chalice was Montreal, in 1993. After winning the Cup, Leaf players could walk down the streets of city buck naked, and wouldn’t even get a citation for it, much less arrested.

Everyone is familiar with the term, “hyperbole,” right? I’m not really trying to receive a lecture in public nudity statutes in Southern Ontario.

The Joker

June 2nd, 2009
11:13 pm

Brendan – Is that what Toronto fans would call a full moon or a true white out?

Brendan

June 2nd, 2009
11:44 pm

Well Joker, does Toronto have any players of African lineage? If not, I’ll go with the “white out.”

Well, it’s a series now! Penguins got a 4-2 win. The change of venue has worked. I don’t have any comments about the officiating. I just think the bounces finally went Pittsburgh’s way. I really hope this series can go seven games. I want some drama. I’ve never seen a Game Seven go into overtime in the Finals. That’s one thing I’d like see happen in my lifetime.

World be Free

June 3rd, 2009
7:49 am

Brendan-I have been watching Leaf’s games sine the late 60’s, having grown up in Western NY. I understand where you are coming from when it comes to the Leafs past and present.

There is an unlimited amount of $$$ with the Leafs. They sold out when Harold Ballard, clearly the worse owner in recent hockey history ran the club. The fact that the Leafs did not fold during the Ballard years is proof to the stability and long term viability of the franchise. The current owner is the Ontario Teachers’ Pension fund; estimates are the Leafs will have a $100 Mil profit this year from everything they do. These numbers may not be totally accurate, but they are in the ball park.

Most Leaf fans don’t care of the possibility of a team in Hamilton, because they will never turn their backs on their beloved Leafs.

Still, in the long term I am concerned that the Leafs can truly achieve the success of past years, like the Punch Imlach years. Reason-they have way too many chiefs in this organization. Most teams succeed because they have one owner and a defined general manager. The Leafs have the GM, but I am not certain who pushes the buttons on the owners’ side. Read some of the media outlets in Toronto and you can see they have a “win now” mentality. They are always looking for ways to get to the Cup next year, when they are clearly seasons away. They also have a tendency to overvalue players, until they have them on their roster for a season, wanting to bump them at all costs.

I hope the Leafs succeed for the sake of the league. But win or lose, you know The Air Canada Centre will always be full and the Leafs’ televised games will always be watched.

David

June 3rd, 2009
8:37 am

Dont be mad at Hossa
Waddell blew that deal, all Hossa demnded was that Waddell pull his head out of his arse and put a team together. Waddell decided he was comfortable with his head up there and refused to budge.
Same story with Savard or Brunette
Right now most NHL team Scouts are ready to pounc on Kovy when Don screws that up too!
I still miss all these guys who waddell tried to go cheap on

Bob

June 3rd, 2009
8:57 am

I read a report on SI yesterday that said Hossa is expected to sign a 7 year deal with the Wings after the series is over.

I like Hossa’s game a lot and it’s beyond obvious that he was disgusted by Waddell’s inability to build a team and couldn’t wait to get out of here, and there’s no way he’s coming back. But, there will be nothing more satisfying to me than to see him slumped against the wall in the Winged Wheel and have to watch his former teammates skate the Cup.

Brendan

June 3rd, 2009
10:06 am

I think Hossa re-signs with Detroit, for sure. Even if it’s at a 40% discount of his ‘market value.’ He wants to be there. Detroit wants him there. They’ll find a way to ‘manage the roster’ such that they shed payroll while still advancing the team.

If Hossa really will sign, longterm, for something like $5.5 million a year, it would be hard for Detroit to ignore. Hossa really is one of the 10 best power forwards on the planet. His game is complete, offensively and defensively. He’s what? 30? Perhaps 31? So, his prime years are still ahead of him.

Detroit is a team with plenty of roster depth. Their GM, Ken Holland, is solid. Detroit can find a way to package assets while still getting something else back. Shoot, if they wanted to, the Red Wings could probably pluck Tavares, 1st overall, while coughing up 3 roster players and some ‘throw away’ draft pick. They won’t do that. But they could, if they set themselves about that task. Tavares’ contract will be 3-years, at a capped rookie contract salary.

DWTOO

June 3rd, 2009
10:21 am

David – I had no problem with trading Hossa or seeing him leave via free agency. The problem is with the level of his play during the last months of his Thrahser tenure. He flat out dogged it – except for the Detroit game with the hat trick. The rest of the time he was going thru the motions. And we were in first place at the time. Imagine what could’ve happened if Hossa actually tried.

J

June 3rd, 2009
10:55 am

DWTOO Bull the all the thrashers phoned it in from December on and if that was such a great trade then why is only Armstrong left from that deal and why did the team go on a big losing steak after trade deadline

Brendan

June 3rd, 2009
11:06 am

I agree with David and Bob here. Waddell, the scouts, and the owners never presented a compelling reason for Hossa to stay. And there it is. At the time of the deal, Hossa certainly replicated Heatley’s potential numbers, if he continued as a Thrasher. But what do I always say? “Don’t trade for players who don’t want to be here.” Hossa never wanted to be here.

Humor me a minute, okay? I promise to mildly amuse you with this example. Imagine if DATING worked this way? Stay with me. Imagine our subject is named “Jim,” and he’s dating a rather dashing young lady named, “Sue.” Yes, that will do. Now, imagine Jim is at Rite-Aid or something, and he spots a ravishing piece of crumpet named “Mary Ellen.” Jim can’t help but notice that Mary Ellen possess the assets highly prized by the superficial man. The attraction is more than MUTUAL. Jim is the GM of his personhood. And he now realizes that he has a SURPLUS of girlfriends, with the addition of Mary Ellen. Jim phones up “Phil,” a GM with whom he has a very favorable working relationship. Jim says, “I’m shopping Sue. Are you interested?” Phil says, “Are you kidding me, Sue’s a total hottie!! As long as she passes the physical, I’m still intrigued.” So, Jim brings Sue by. She struts up and down, doing her little turn on the catwalk. Phil proclaims, “She’s passed the physical.” Jim says, “We have an ‘agreement in principal’ for a deal.” Phil scratches his head. “You want me to ’sweeten it up a bit,’ don’t you?” Jim reminds Phil that Susan is still under contract for another 2-years. And that, because of that, he’d like some compensation.” Phil offers a wild night out on the town, filled with booze and debauchery. Jim says, “Tempting. Tempting. But here’s more of what I had in mind. I’ll accept your wild night out, but I want two more things: (1) If I hook up with someone, you CANNOT tell Mary Ellen about it. Ever. And (2) you agree to hand me your car keys while you catch a cab home, if things look like they’re going very well for me at the club.” Phil thinks about it, then says, “Jim, you’re a heck of a GM. You drive a hard bargain, but I accept.” They shake hands.

But it’s not over. Not by a longshot. Sue doesn’t particularly like Phil. Phil’s kindy pasty and could stand to lay off the pop tarts a little. Sue liked Jim, and thought they’d be together a whole lot longer. She’s disappointed by the trade, but she honors her contract with Phil. As soon as its HER CHOICE who she dates, she’s out at that club, tapping anyone NOT NAMED “Phil.”

Now, here’s the counter-argument. Phil could have never otherwise landed a babe the caliber of “Sue,” had he not acquired her in a trade. Phil got two solid years of “trophy girl” on his arm. Phil never stopped enjoying having Sue around. But three years down the road, there’s Jim, still with Mary Ellen by his side, as Phil seeks out some other trade to replace Sue. Phil doesn’t want to be a lonely guy. But he’s got limited finances to snare some 4-alarm fire. So, either Phil has to hope another GM like Jim phones him up with a good deal, or he’s going to have to lower his standards.

The point? Don’t bring in people who don’t want to be here. They’ll leave you, first chance they get. Find someone who does want to be here. Then lock ‘em up, if you’re happy with them.

Alan

June 3rd, 2009
11:17 am

I don’t have any comments about the officiating.

While it doesn’t matter anymore, it does shock the hell out of me that Pittsburgh got away with 20+ seconds of 6-on-5 that all four on-ice officials missed.

Otherwise, I’m happy with the way the game went. It was highly competitive. Pittsburgh wanted it more, and got hometown support in their house. Good on them. Detroit looked a little lax defensively, and it looked like they were all gripping the sticks too tight in the third period after Pittsburgh took the lead. Trying too hard.

Bob, Kenny Holland has denied such talks have taken place or that such a deal is in place. If there is a deal, either Detroit is going to have to dump a couple players, or Hossa is getting paid an average of 3.1m/yr (assuming the cap does indeed drop to $54m).

Franzen is set to make $5m/yr starting next year. Filppula makes about $3m/yr. Hudler is RFA. I’d love to see us get Filppula and Hudler, but I really don’t know if we have anything to give them in return. We could ship off a couple of prospects and/or draft picks. Just have to be careful what picks/prospects we offer, and hope Detroit bites.

I’d kill to see Filppula and Hudler here.

Rob

June 3rd, 2009
11:17 am

Detroit has a history of having star players spend 2-3 years with the Red Wings in pursuit of a championship. Brett Hull, Luc Robitaille, and Matheiu Schneider are all examples. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hossa took a lucrative contract and returned to a former team — maybe the Ottawa Senators. He could also play for a pro team in his native Slovakia.

GaVaHokie

June 3rd, 2009
11:24 am

I read a report on SI yesterday that said Hossa is expected to sign a 7 year deal with the Wings after the series is over.

Darren Dreger on TSN said that wasn’t true yesterday… he was nosing around the GM’s meeting yesterday and got some other rumors.

http://www.tsn.ca/window/oneclip_nhl_playoffs.html#clip179020

not a salary cap guru

June 3rd, 2009
11:54 am

with zetterburg at 7.4, franzen at 5.5 and hossa, if he signs a “hometown” discount a 5.5….18.4 salary cap for 3?? another 12.7 for datsyuk and rafalski??? 31.1, salary cap might go down…???

World be Free

June 3rd, 2009
12:31 pm

I have changed my mind on Hossa and the Wings. I think they will let him walk and allow some of their younger players to get more ice time. Their kids have played well in this series. Cap Guru and others make valid points about the Wings and where they stand with the salary cap.

Who knows where he will end up. I thnk it depends how much winning hte Cup this year satisfies his need to win (more than $$$$).

Alan

June 3rd, 2009
12:49 pm

salary cap guru, Detroit currently has a hair under $51m tied up for next year. It’s impossible for them to sign Hossa, if the cap falls to the level Gary Bettman said it looks to fall to, which is $54m. That is, unless they send a couple players off.

You’d think Detroit would want to re-sign Kopecky and Downey. They might also want to re-sign Sameulsson, but I think they’ll let him walk instead.

There’s a few things Holland can do to fit Hossa under the cap, and still ice a full squad next year. But it’s going to be tough. One thing he’s shown with clear certainty is that he knows how to ice a team in the salary cap era. If anyone can do it, he can.

But bear in mind, that just because he says there isn’t a contract ready to go, doesn’t mean there really isn’t one. It all remains to be seen.

Buzzeng

June 3rd, 2009
12:51 pm

If the Wings win the Cup, then Hossa’s gone, and will go to a major hockey market where he can get the $$ (or C$) and the fame of being the town hockey star. I’m thinking Ottawa, Toronto, New York, New Jersey, maybe Buffalo – and they’ll make the deals to get him. At that point, he won’t care about playing for a contending team any more. If the Wings lose the Cup, he’ll stay in Detroit (even if he has to PAY Detroit #3.1 million for the year), or strike another 1-year deal with Pittsburgh. It’s pretty clear, to me, what drives his behavior.

World be Free

June 3rd, 2009
1:01 pm

Buzzeng-rule out Buffalo.
The Sabres are not players in the tier 1 or 2 F/A market.

Ottawa, Toronto or Montreal.

GaVaHokie

June 3rd, 2009
1:05 pm

If Lidstrom retires, that changes everything… but I can’t imagine he’d forgo $7 million and retire a year early.

Brendan

June 3rd, 2009
3:51 pm

And Hokie brought up my next point. “What if Lidstrom doesn’t return?” What if he “retires,” then “un-retires” on January 1st?, at a substantially reduced contract. Will Chelios be back, yet again? Obviously, Detroit doesn’t want to lose the players who have proven they can deliver the Cup. But this draft does represent an unbelieveable opportunity for them to shed payroll, while picking up some high-end, prized draft picks. What could Detroit get for Kronwall, Filppula, and Cleary? Or a Holmstrom/Hudler package deal? What if they moved Brad Stuart?

Stop. I’m hardly stating that will happen. Or should happen. Sheesh. I’m merely pointing out … the Red Wings have options to shed payroll and still replenish their ranks with some decently positioned draft picks. If the Red Wings actually wanted John Tavares, I’m sure they could finagle a deal with the Islanders for some roster players and prospects. Players like Helm and Abdelkader could draw attention from the Isles. I’m perfectly aware that it won’t happen. No need to point that out.

Relax. Take slow, calm, soothing breaths. None of these things are imminent. But if the Red Wings WANT Hossa for the next 7 years, at an enormous discount, for his Prime Years, I’d bet Marian will give them the deal of a lifetime. Imagine getting Vinny Lecavalier at $5.5 million right after the 2004 Cup Finals? You’d do it in a heartbeat. A player of that caliber, at that price, with prime years still ahead of him. It’s a “no-brainer.”

ChippersLoveChild

June 3rd, 2009
7:32 pm

Smoothie

June 4th, 2009
10:50 am

Re: Darren Dreger’s rumour mongering

1) Who in their right mind is going to give Marty Havlat an 8 year deal? I don’t think so, not in this economic climate when there is so much uncertainty. Allan Walsh: see Danny Briere and Rick DiPietro. I don’t think GM’s are going to be so gullible this time around.

2) As for Hossa, good luck Detroit re-signing him. If they do, then we need to go after RFA Hudler with a reasonable offer sheet and sign UFA Mikael Samuelsson.

3) Dreger, do you homework on IVK before you start spewing the same drivel w/r/t our captain. No mention about any of his comments in the press about how happy he is in Atlanta. At least say something about how he is open to an extension given DW makes some moves in FA. He made it sound like a given we’ll trade him immediately if an accord isn’t struck by the end of July. Damn Canadian press!

GaVaHokie

June 4th, 2009
11:41 am

San Jose claims they’re not going to move Thornton… both he and Marleau have NTC contracts. But they are willing to move Cheechoo.

I think his 2-year $3 million per year deal is the right amount of risk/reward… I think I might prefer his “drive the net” style over a risk/reward player like Antropov or Afinogenov, who may end up costing more than $3 million.

World be Free

June 4th, 2009
12:18 pm

Cheechoo’s career was made by his relationship with Joe Thornton.
He will be lucky to score 20 goals/year without Thornton by his side.

Smoothie-you got it right about the Canadian press. Atlanta will never great a break from those biased idiots. They still all believe that Hamilton would be a “great NHL city”. Give me a break.

Alan

June 4th, 2009
1:19 pm

He made it sound like a given we’ll trade him immediately if an accord isn’t struck by the end of July.

He’s got to take his and his readers’ minds off of how bad the Maple Leafs suck.

aka, he’s just pandering to his base instead of being a real journalist. It’s something we commonly see with him and folks similar to him (see: Garrioch, Bruce).

Smoothie

June 4th, 2009
2:20 pm

So true, so true Alan. Thank goodness we have so many dedicated bloggers who are always keeping close tabs on the “truth”.

Thanks to Bill T, Phil Foley, the Falconer, Ben Wright and of course, Craig Custance who set the bar very high!! Chris Viv will do a fine job I am sure once things start to heat up around the draft.

Alan

June 4th, 2009
3:02 pm

I too think Chris will be a very fine beat writer. I just hope you get to travel to some games this year, Chris. Updates from the road are very nice, and we appreciate all the effort.

And, indeed, I expect (and receive) more facts from our bloggers than I do from the folks in the national media who are actually paid to publish their half-truths. I always look forward to Bill’s and Falconer’s new posts, whereas I hardly ever read the screed published by folks like Dreger and Garrioch.

GaVaHokie

June 4th, 2009
3:11 pm

The next three weeks are going to drag, drag, drag.

Smoothie

June 4th, 2009
3:14 pm

“Screed”…hmmm, will need to add that one to my repetoire!! The national media’s expectation and foretelling of Kovy’s departure has simply become the “hobgoblin of little minds”!!

Alan

June 4th, 2009
3:22 pm

Always glad to help, Smoothie!

Darkhorse

June 4th, 2009
4:27 pm

In case you guys have not read Mirtle’s blog yet, it looks like we can put the Bigfoot Nukilin sightings to rest for at least another year.

http://www.fromtherink.com/2009/6/3/898310/rumours-from-russia-nikulin

Alan

June 4th, 2009
4:37 pm

While it’s just a rumor, my hopes for Nikulin were merely fringe at this point.

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Kevin

June 16th, 2009
6:26 pm

U mean was a series it all over Hossa lost again…he should stayed in Pittsburgh he became the first player in NHL to lose 2 stanley cup finals on different team with two Pittsburgh n detroit