Who would you pick at No. 4?

Well, the Thrashers didn’t win the draft lottery, and they weren’t hurdled by anyone behind them, either. Sort of anticlimactic, but it’s hard to argue the Islanders don’t need the No. 1 pick more.

If Evander Kane is available, do the Thrashers take him? Lots of offense there.

49 comments Add your comment

Tom

April 14th, 2009
8:45 pm

At least we did not lose a position.

R. Stroz

April 14th, 2009
8:51 pm

I thought Frank Mahovlich was going to blurt out a four letter work, other than good, when the Thrashers received the number 4 pick.

Tavares looked “really happy” (sarcasm detector activated) with the prospect of going to the Islanders.

The Fish

April 14th, 2009
9:03 pm

Who cares. We suck. We can’t even win a freaking lottery. Bums.

Buzzeng

April 14th, 2009
9:30 pm

I’m no scout, but based on the headline info, I like Brayden Schenn over Kane – a bit bigger with similar offensive upside.

Alan

April 14th, 2009
9:34 pm

Duchene would be better, as he has more offensive skill, but Colorado is very likely taking him at third. Atlanta will end up taking Kane at fourth, unless Waddell does something stupid like trade down. That would be the only way he could screw this up.

Hockeyfan

April 14th, 2009
9:41 pm

Take Evander “the Real Deal” Kane. Great 2 way player, can score as well as create opportunities for Kovy, and not afraid to drop the gloves. He should be a marketing gold mine for the Thrashers but then again our marketing department comes up with crap like “Become One”

Jason(Darkhorse)

April 14th, 2009
10:46 pm

Kane seems to go to the net a good bit. Maybe he will develop into a prototypical power forward. We need a few talented players who do a lot of their scoring around the net. I’ll be pleased with him at this point, unless we can trade up(not holding my breath).

Nikita

April 14th, 2009
11:18 pm

Yes, yes, yes. Hell, yes.

Frosty the snowman

April 14th, 2009
11:21 pm

Duchene! Don’t think the avs are gonna pass on him though.

ranallo10 (in AT)

April 14th, 2009
11:37 pm

I’d take Kane but I’d still listen to trade down offers (within the top 10 picks). There is an abundance of talent in the top 10 picks, and I don’t feel Kane is drastically better than someone like Schenn (could be had at least one pick later), Schroeder (could be had several picks later), or even Paajarvi (could be had one or two picks later). I like Kane’s powerforward style of game, but there are other options that shouldn’t be discounted just because of Kane’s (or Duchene’s) availability.

Trading back but staying inside the top 10 would not be a disservice to Kane, but rather could help this team improve immediately without risking long term. It seems to have worked with the Islanders (Bailey + 2 later picks instead of Schenn), so it could work for the Thrashers too? For example, if Toronto offered Kaberle/Kubina plus their first for Atlanta’s first+whatever, that could solve two problems at once (draft a forward, have a locked up top pairing defender).

So yeah, I disagree with Alan (in this instance) and Brendan (in draft philosophy) and think that trading down is always an option when there is still quality talent on the board. I would be absolutely fine standing pat with the #4 pick, but would think it’s unwise to simply say that pick is inaccessible. This team doesn’t have the depth to say that just yet.

Trading up is not realistic without giving up a top prospect. Trading out of the top 10 is when I would say they’ve dropped “too” far.

Brendan

April 14th, 2009
11:52 pm

I like Brayden Schenn at #4. So, I agree with BuzzEng. I’m fine with dropping back, so long as Schenn isn’t lost. Philosophically, I don’t like doing that, normally. I like to pick at the highest possible position, taking the best available player, unless I have a “team philosophy” and there’s just such a “Can’t miss for OUR TYPE OF SYSTEM” player out there on the board.

So, yeah. If someone comes to us, wanting to take Kane at #4, to move back to #5 and still get the player I wanted ALL ALONG, then yes. I suppose I’d do it. But I’d also want to look long and hard at Kane and Duchene to be SURE, as much as “sure” can be ascertained, that I hadn’t just done something totally boneheaded.

My pick is Brayden Schenn. If no one approaches me to take my #4 pick, that’s who I select. If someone does offer me a nice deal to move back one, so that I still get Schenn, I do it.

Patrick

April 15th, 2009
12:21 am

If we had gotten #1, I would have wanted the Swede over Tavares in a sense. He’d have brought a HUGE defensive presence, which is obviously needed, for this team. That being said, Tavares is a special talent.

IF, somehow, The Swede fell to us, he’d be a no-brainer, but there’s no way that TB would pass on him, I don’t think. Same with Colorado.

I like Schenn and Kane here, though.

scottbravesfan

April 15th, 2009
3:09 am

The Thrashers should take Kane at number 4. The guy can score and fights. Also it would be marketing gold for the Thrashers to have a black player who can score and fight in Atlanta. Not even the Thrashers awful marketing department could screw that up.

ranallo10 (in AT)

April 15th, 2009
5:55 am

“Not even the Thrashers awful marketing department could screw that up.”

I don’t know, would it be considered a failure if they focused on the fact that he’s a talented hockey player, and ignored his skin color?

Rumun Ndur

April 15th, 2009
7:12 am

Brayden Schenn.

GaVaHokie

April 15th, 2009
8:58 am

Isn’t Evander Kane like 5′11″ and 160lbs?! I understand that he hits, and fights… but that’s with teenagers.

I like Svensson, but there are questions about his finishing skills… I’d be worried that we end up with a Dupuis on our hands… fast, agile, but can’t shoot for sh*t.

I agree with Ranallo, I’m okay with trading down, but I’m afraid it won’t be Toronto… they’re gunning for Tavares, not Kane… I don’t see them wanting the #4 position.

I would talk with Colorado about switching places, and take Duchene… or I’d see what Edmonton is willing to give up to move up from #10… Horcoff, maybe? You could still maybe get Oliver Ekman-Larssen, Kulikov, Kadri, Schroeder or Kassian at that position.

I think Kassian could be one of those tough players who can make the jump quicker than everyone thinks… like Milan Lucic

Alan

April 15th, 2009
10:19 am

Isn’t Evander Kane like 5′11″ and 160lbs?

Sure, he was. When he first started in the WHL, in 2006.

He’s 6′1″ 185lbs.

Smoothie

April 15th, 2009
10:22 am

I like everything I read about Evander Kane except the part about him being only 5′ 10″ and 160 lbs!! Yikes! We need someone who might be NHL ready in less than 2 years so I’ll go with Schenn. How about we trade Pavelec and our 1st rounder to COL for the right to pick Duchene?

Is Duchene that much better than Kane or Schenn though?

And remember what they say, the youngest brother is always the best! At least that’s what I’ve heard people say about the last and final Staal.

Smoothie

April 15th, 2009
10:28 am

http://national-hockey-league-nhl.suite101.com/article.cfm/evander_kane_2009_nhl_draft_profile

I guess he is growing like a weed. Pick him! I like the fact we have already interviewed him and he seems to have a real good head on his shoulders…could be just what this city needs to spark more interest from the less traditional hockey target audience.

kracker

April 15th, 2009
11:03 am

Kane has grown…..He is 6′-1″, 185 and still growing. How many times have we said we want a power forward? Draft this kid. He’s perfect for the ATL

GaVaHokie

April 15th, 2009
11:10 am

Thanks for the link Smoothie… TSN needs to update their height and weight statistics… if Kane is getting bigger, than I’m all for picking him up… absolutely! And if we’ve already interviewed him and he’s more than happy to play here… take him.

Supes

April 15th, 2009
11:35 am

Would have been sweet to have the opportunity to draft Tavarez, he’s definitely going to be a game changing type player.

I think Kane will be a good pick at 4. He’ll be someone who will no doubt also make an impact, and be a 1st line type player, regarding his weight/height…he’s still a kid, he’ll grow into a 220lb body eventually. Not worried about that at all.

Smoothie

April 15th, 2009
11:52 am

Yeah GVH, the more I read about Kane, the more I like the kid. I think we’re in good shape either way if we take Schenn over Kane since Schenn has the whole hockey lineage thing going for him. The wildcard here for the Thrash might just be D-man prospect Jared Cowen who is a towering 6′5″ and already 220 lbs supposedly. How good of a skater is he and does he have the instincts to be a # 1 pairing D-man?

Thomas Magnum

April 15th, 2009
12:21 pm

We just posted on our blog about Evander Kane and include a video…check it out at http://www.thewordonthebird.blogspot.com

GaVaHokie

April 15th, 2009
12:21 pm

I think the wildcard would be Oliver Ekman-Larsen and Magnus Svensson… Bob McKenzie was saying yesterday that a few GM’s had these guys in their Top 5… I’m not sure anyone takes Cowen inside the Top 5.

Oliver Larsen is the guy everyone thinks is the next Nik Lidstrom, and Svensson is the 3rd guy most GM’s and Scouts think is ready for the NHL, behind Tavares and Hedman.

I think he said a few GM’s have Oliver Larsen and Duchene ahead of Hedman.

Tony C.

April 15th, 2009
12:34 pm

When I have a minute I’ll post links to Schenn and Kane’s “tribute vids”…I’d be happy with either one, but I think that Kane has more high-end skill than Schenn. That being said, Duschene has hands of an angel, if Colorado doesn’t nab him I’d be hard-presed to decide between Kane & Duschene.

GaVaHokie

April 15th, 2009
12:37 pm

Here’s the NHL video on Evander Kane, for those who haven’t seen it… I’m looking forward to more of the E.J. McGuire previews as the draft gets closer.

http://www.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?&id=39021

Matt Duchene

http://www.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?&id=39020

Blitz

April 15th, 2009
12:49 pm

Has anyone here actually seen any of these kids play a full game? Youtube videos are nice but I think one can find a youtube of Eric Perrin putting on a sweet move and lead people to think he’s the second coming of Lemieux.

Frosty the snowman

April 15th, 2009
12:54 pm

Josefson may be a sleeper. I have a feeling we will pick Kane, and they will market him heavily.

ranallo10 (in AT)

April 15th, 2009
1:03 pm

Perrin clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8o0So_zkXQ

Check out this move, this kid will be the next Gretzky!!!

Blitz has a point…think of all the people hockey players who are YouTube legends for their shootout prowess, fancy moves, etc, and then remember how much impact they have in the NHL. For instance, Robbie Schremp, or most recently Linus Omark (yet to make an impact, so jury is still officially out on him I guess).

Smoothie

April 15th, 2009
1:10 pm

I like the comparison in the NHL video of Kane to Eric Staal. He’s exactly the type of player we need on the right side to complement Kovy. However Bryan Little might have something to say about that.

Why not throw $11 M over 2 years at Gaborik to play RW with Kovy and Little playing C. Hopefully Kane will be ready to play in the NHL in the following year and can take over the # 2 RW duties to play alongside Whitey at C and Peverley at LW (assuming Kozlov retires).

Kovy — Litts — Gabby

Kozlov (Pever) — White — Pever (Kane)

FA or Stuart — Marty Party — Army

Boultsy — Slater — Stuart (Crabber)

I like it. And we have money left over for another Top 4 D-man as well as organizational depth (Espo, Riley, Spencer and Peverley) in case Gabby succumbs to injuries again.

Alan

April 15th, 2009
1:12 pm

Interesting thing about Linus, is that he opted to sign in Russia instead of come over to Edmonton. His one-year contract there is for 10m SEK (about $1.6m USD). Edmonton, I guess, low-balled him. Can’t say that I blame him for not coming over.

That said, I’ve seen a couple of games this year featuring Vancouver (ah, the wonders of the internet). He’s an exciting kid to watch. Even if he doesn’t produce, he’s still making great hits and doing the little things to get the puck to someone who might be in a better position to do something.

I doubt he’ll be able to come here and immediately pick up where he left off in Vancouver, but it’ll still be great to see if he can make some noise while he’s here. If he stays in Atlanta, I imagine he’ll have first half similar to that of Stamkos.

GaVaHokie

April 15th, 2009
1:19 pm

Blitz… all we can do is make the most of the evidence given to us. :) And trust that guys like E.J. McGuire have done their proper research.

GaVaHokie

April 15th, 2009
1:22 pm

Ranallo… That’s a nice Eric Perrin clip, but can he do this? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-zmRP0e3kE

Viking

April 15th, 2009
1:38 pm

GaVaHokie

April 15th, 2009
1:41 pm

Ben Wright just mentioned on the Thrashers site that Colin Stuart was just named to the U.S. World’s Team.

GaVaHokie

April 15th, 2009
2:30 pm

Stroz… Pete Mahovolich… not Frank. ;)

Blitz

April 15th, 2009
2:36 pm

I thought it was Rod Mahoyovich.

Tony C.

April 15th, 2009
3:50 pm

My point is this: Almost every scout talks about Shcenn being “the type of guy who brings his lunch-pail to work”…which is nice praise, but we can find hardworking big bodies for a lot cheaper than what the CBA mandates for a top-10 pick. Kane is almost always mentioned with words to the effect of “A talented scorer who brings a lot of sandpaper, and has a nose for the net”. Again, high praise, but notice the distinction: One guy is seen as a solid two-way player who works hard, and can provide some scoring the other a scorer who scores the ugly goals, and isn’t afraid to go into the corners, stand up for his teammates etc.

I’d be happy with either one, but the consensus is that the O-ffensive ceiling is higher with Kane.

Anderson is obviously not a Lemaire disciple, and while we could always use hard-working guys, think about who fits the teams wants and needs.

Old Time Hockey

April 15th, 2009
4:07 pm

Let’s tie up about 10 million per year in Gaborik and Lehtonen and listen to them do guest appearances on broadcasts while they rehab from their next injuries. Great plan. For all you researchers, what injury plagued players have recovered and led long productive careers? Now make a list of players with tremendous talent who couldn’t stay healthy enough to be productive. First list is very short, second list really long.

As far as marketing, it’s anybody’s guess as to what they will do. Spent all that time and money pushing Blueland and then introduce a third jersey in Red.

Toby

April 15th, 2009
4:17 pm

Smoothie

Put White on the 1st line and have Pevs center Little and Koz on the second and I’m a STH

Kaptain

April 15th, 2009
4:47 pm

Old Time Hockey is spot on. Forget about going after Gaborik and his injuries. Definitely dump Lehtonen so we can end this circus with all the time he spends on the shelf. Hasn’t he only played 1 year for us where he didn’t miss a huge chunk of time because he was hurt. This is getting old with him. Dump Kari before we have to eat his contract. And the Spirit won’t replace him, they will count his salary against the in house cap even if he is on long term IR.

kracker

April 15th, 2009
5:51 pm

Looks like Kane has his 4 years of jr completed whereas Duchene and Schenn have only 3 years of jr. This is big for the Thrash if Kane is relatively close to being ready. He can work prospect tourney, main camp, preseason and some NHL games (perhaps) then go to Wolves if necessary. Go the route Bryan Little did where he plays at both levels, continues to develop in the AHL and then is ready to go in 10-11 season.

MSP of course isn’t limited by the CHL/AHL agreement that players be 20 years old or a 4 year junior.

Considering the Thrashers talent pool at C and how Kane may need to play wing for the Thrash, seems to me Kane will definitely be drafted to be power forward for this team. This makes the reports of him having bulked up a bit and being able to add more weight an important factor in deciding to draft him. The Thrashers need to add size and strength up front if at all possible. Little seemed to wear down as last season wore on, though he is still young and adding bulk himself.

NASCAR Dave

April 15th, 2009
5:59 pm

FIRE WADDELL

kracker

April 15th, 2009
6:00 pm

EDIT: Oops, I read the 4th line on Kaned jr profile as another year when it looks like a line enrty for the playoffs this year. So he just has 3 years junior as well, I think.

Tony C.

April 15th, 2009
6:42 pm

Yeah, unless Gaborik is on a strict HGH routine this summer, I wouldn’t touch him (and even then I’d only pay 1/3 of what his agent is asking).

Not to mention, if he and Hossa are as close as has been mentioned, why on earth do you think he’d even listen to an offer from us?

Why not make a move for Knuble? Or Afinegenov???

Brendan

April 15th, 2009
7:30 pm

No one has yet mentioned it, but I sure hope Waddell keeps his cards firmly to his vest at the draft. When other GM’s ask him, “Who d’ya like at #4?” The correct response is, “I like a lot guys at #4. Why? Are you willing to offer me something to trade up?” If Waddell says, “I’m taking Duchene. Or Kane. Or Schenn.” He’s tipping his hand. Then the other GM goes away, potentially GIDDY, that his guy will still be there at #5, and not offer Atlanta a BLESSED THING.

I don’t see how we can do too far wrong with any of those three players, and still a few others, too. Now, 20/20 hindsight will tell us, “Man, if only we’d taken (supply name here) we’d have the prize of the draft! Instead that went to Phoenix or LA or Toronto.” Watch what Ottawa does. They ALWAYS draft well.

Hockey Biltong

April 26th, 2009
1:00 am

I like the Swede over Tavares. I know it wont happen, but that would be my pick.

World Be Free

April 30th, 2009
6:01 am

Knuble would be a good pickup.

Afinegenov is a human turnover machine. Sabres fans can’t wait till he walks.