Stimulus-funded jobs start to appear

By Laura Raines, for ajcjobs

The main purpose of the federal stimulus package — the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 — was to create and save jobs. Yet Georgia’s unemployment rate is currently at 10.1 percent and projected to climb higher by state Labor Commissioner Michael Thurmond.

So where are the jobs?

The first ones are just starting to materialize and state agencies are optimistic that more are on the way.

Deputy Chief George Turner of the City of Atlanta Police Department

Deputy Chief George Turner of the City of Atlanta Police Department in front of the City of Atlanta Police Headquarters. The city is adding several new jobs due to the stimulus packages. Photo by Leita Cowart, for the AJC

“We have received two grants that will fund 74 new law enforcement positions in Atlanta, and that is good news anyway you look at it,” said Deputy Chief George Turner of the Atlanta Police Department.

The state Criminal Justice Coordinating Council received a total of $36.2 million through the Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grant Program. Atlanta received about $3.187 million of that to fund 23 new police officers, a grant manager and overtime pay for high-crime areas, Turner said.

Georgia received $31 million from the U.S. Justice Department Cops Hiring Recovery Program to hire nearly 200 law enforcement officers statewide. Atlanta’s $11 million share will fund 50 additional officers for three years.

“The two grants will allow us to better protect Atlanta’s citizens and visitors and to put more people to work,” Turner said.

He expects the Justice Assistance Grant funds to arrive this month, allowing the department to hire a new class of officers by early September. The Cops funding should follow in September, resulting in more officers starting in mid-November.

“We’re taking applications and looking for enthusiastic people, self-starters who will meet our core objectives. They don’t have to have any experience. We’ll train them to do the job,” Turner said.
Starting salaries range from $39,327.60 to $42,128.71 depending on whether the new officer has a high school diploma, associate’s degree or bachelor’s degree.

“Stimulus funding is complicated,” said Dave Edwards, senior policy adviser for the City of Atlanta.

“The money is largely being funneled into existing programs and in order to receive it, you have to apply for it. We’re still applying for money in 24 programs and the number of new jobs we see will depend on what we receive. We applied for $46 million with the Cops program and received $11 million.”

The city is seeking roughly $528 million in stimulus funding, with $300 million going to fund the Peachtree Streetcar project. Other grants would be used for neighborhood stabilization, housing redevelopment, homeless services, making city buildings more energy efficient and the international terminal of the airport.

“The stimulus money will create jobs. It’s just going to be slower than we would have liked. It will be six to eight months before all the grants are awarded,” said Edwards.

The Georgia Department of Education has received $1.2 billion in federal stimulus money, with most of it going toward state budget shortfalls, said Chris Schrimpf, spokesman in the governor’s office. The Atlanta Public Schools did receive $3 million from the federal stimulus funds to the state that went toward paying salaries and benefits for 34 teachers, said school communications officer Kimberly Willis Green.

The governor’s office is compiling total job creation numbers for release on Oct. 10, the federal deadline, Schrimpf said.

The fastest job stimulation is likely to come from the Georgia Department of Transportation, and metropolitan planning organizations like the Atlanta Regional Commission, which have received $932 million in stimulus funds for highway and bridge projects.

“We’ve already awarded 94 projects worth a total of $216 million,” said David Spear, press secretary for GDOT, leaving them another $500 million to award by March.

“Before the stimulus funds, our department was in a hiring freeze. We’re down 300 employees from this time last year,” said Spear. “[Gas tax] revenues have been declining and there wasn’t any work going on. Much more than a Band-Aid, the stimulus has been a tremendous crutch that has enabled us to get back on our feet and bought us some time.”

He believes that the funding has done more to sustain jobs than create them thus far. “Contractors have told us that they were several weeks or months away from closing their doors. Without the stimulus, more people in construction and allied industries [quarries and asphalt plants] would have been laid off,” said Spear.

He’s confident that the stimulus funds will also create jobs, but the challenge will be for departments to keep the momentum going after the money is gone in three years.

86 comments Add your comment

David McDonald

September 8th, 2009
10:14 am

This isn’t stimulating the ecompny it’s pupming up more government agencies. I will never deny we need more good officers on the street but what a stimulus package needs to do is stimulat business growth and therefore get cash flow moving through out the ecomony. Dumping more money into government is notheing short of socialism and misuse of the money by this adminsitration that has no clue what a real business that makes things, sells things or provides a service is! Either spend this money on construction and road projects and other business job creating projects or put it back in the treasury now!!!

Where is our money going?

September 8th, 2009
10:25 am

Average starting salaries for the new law enforcement positions is $39K – $42K, yet the stimulus money breaks down to $181,000 ($36.2 Million / 200 positions) per new employee. Where is our money going? I want to see detailed financial statements on where our taxpayer money is going in this “stimulus”… I would expect more from the AJC to expose this kind of gov’t waste program!

Wm Kirkland

September 8th, 2009
10:25 am

This is not money being spent to stimulate the economy. How does a bridge stimulate the economy? When it is built the workers will be laid off. Another classic example of a president who doesnt understand business (becasue he’s never worked in one or run one) trying to look good. Look at the cash for clunkers program and how poorly it was run or the mortgage relief program. Designed by a non business people. There was no way to control either. They freed up all of this money for mortgage relief and then dumped it on the mortgage companies who weren’t staffed to handle it. Does any one doubt after these two fiascos that they will not do the same to healthcare?!?

FJHS3

September 8th, 2009
10:26 am

Interesting article. Most shocking is that Atlanta would even consider hiring a police officer that only has a high school diploma. With all the college educated people looking for a job, how can you justify a candidate with only a HS diploma? I know many HS grads that I would not want protecting me, or carrying a gun for that matter!

Bubba

September 8th, 2009
10:28 am

OK, we are loosing thousands of jobs but gaining a couple of hundred? What’s wrong with this picture?

Daryl

September 8th, 2009
10:31 am

The article clearly stated that the “fastest job stimulation is likely to come in the department of transportation”, which received the lions share of the money ($934,000,000). Another $1.2 billion going to education…you should apply for some of this funding.(Nothing is not spelled with an “e”, but there is an “e” in stimulate. “Throughout” is one word…I could go on and on…
Also, make concrete suggestions about how to stimulate the economy and stop repeating the propaganda that you hear in the media. The complaints, without solutions, are getting old.

John

September 8th, 2009
10:37 am

To David:
Let me guess…you’re a republiklan. Listen, stop believing everything that bloated drug addict on the radio says…and that joke they call fox news. Fox news is to journalism what the ocotomom is to family planning. They’re all screaming that the sky is falling and all you dumb*sses run around like chicken little. Just like other beings of lower intellect, republicans are easy to stampede.
Stop hiding your racism behind the guise of patriotism.

Frustrated Beyond Belief

September 8th, 2009
10:38 am

My husband’s been out of work since December of last year. My daughter has ectopic atrial tachycardia which two surgeries and three different meds haven’t been able to fix. Our pantry is almost empty; my gas tank is on 1/4 tank; our mortgage company has renegotiated our loan and almost cut the payment in half, but without me getting a second job we won’t be able to make that payment because my main paycheck is less than half of what my take home should be because it covers all of our insurance needs. Oh yeah, and we have $18.67 in the checking account. I don’t give a damn about bridges or roads. My husband needs a job, NOW!!

Leah Salby

September 8th, 2009
10:50 am

Obama’s stimulus plan is for the poor and uneducated. It stinks. There IS not stimulus plan for the unemployed. Forget it. I am SICK of Obama and his LIES. Boot him out. He’s the worst president since Ford, Carter, and Clinton. Get rid of him. Takes from the rich, gives to the poor lazy asses that don’t work, but break into homes. The cops are not educated either.

unemployed at 61 !!!!

September 8th, 2009
11:00 am

It took years of non-regulated capitalism to create this horrid economical situation our country is in . Instead of blaming the current adminstration for all of its efforts to stop the decline , why not look around at the citizens who cheated , lied and pilaged the unsupecting working slobs ( myself included ) and demand restitution . My belief is their should be NO party affliation but only representation of the citizens that elected each offical . We as citizens are responsible to get our facts straight and not fall into the traps of exageration and truth bending . Patience and a positive attitude is all we have . Why not give the new guys a chance before we throw them off the bus ?

Trying to Stay Focused

September 8th, 2009
11:01 am

I am a firm believer in the platformed agenda, but it is getting hard to stay focused and support when I see the focus in the wrong areas. they need to focus on the private sector and stimulating business. The majority of people work in private industry….not for the government. The stimulus is geared toward a select group. A group that was not hit as hard. America had his behind this recession to be able to do what it wants to with certain people and blame it on and hide behind this made up mock recession.

Get the Big Picture

September 8th, 2009
11:02 am

Hiring new officers with H.S. diploma isn’t exactly stimulating my pocket either, but with a unemployment rate already above 10% in georgia and those of you thinking we should only give jobs to those residents with college degrees. Your right, because when that unemployed H.S. diploma resident pull you or your love one into a dark alley and beat you senseless for the few dollars you have on you because they can’t find a job with their H.S. diploma to take care of their family, you should feel very stimulated that the cop taking the police report has a college degree.

Brandon

September 8th, 2009
11:04 am

To John:
Let me guess, you’re a Democrat. I bet you think the “no pork” bill that includes $20 million for the Captain Morgan plant so that we dont have to pay taxes on it makes sense too. Funny thing is, I drink Captain Morgan and I would be glad to pay the tax rather then give it to some plant out of the country. Let’s throw millions at sea turtles too. Maybe you should watch Fox a little more so you can improve your intellect. This administration is a bunch of crooks. It has nothing to do with race.

John

September 8th, 2009
11:05 am

United we stand… divided we fall.

Concerned

September 8th, 2009
11:20 am

Atlanta has received $31 million in stimulus funds for jobs in GA. Funds went toward GA Dept.of Education, when they spend out more money in that division alone (buying blackberry phones, GPS, expense printers, laptops, etc.). Really, where is that money going? What about the people that is unemployed, some of the stimulus money was to help the unemployed on going back to school. Where is that money? What happened to the Auditors coming in after so many months to check on the funding process? Here we go again the RICH IS GETTING RICHER AND THE REST LEFT BEHIND. Thanks Atlanta for putting more jobs here and less unemployment.

TKL

September 8th, 2009
11:26 am

Stimulus WHAT? I do whatever it take to keep my job. Take home whatever left after taxes and then spend as little as I can so I can pay my own expense. My pantry and my refrigerator are always almost empty. When I am at the grocery checkout, I feel sick when seeing people using food stamp benefit paying for their cart loaded with food. I try to stay healthy by eating well and exercise daily but unfortunatly got high blood pressure with old age so I have to purchase prescription drug and .. here go my hard earned and hard saved money went straight to the Doctor, the Chemist..! ALL I CAN SEE SURROUNDING ME IS LAZY & GREEDY. WISH HE/THEY CAN FIX THE “GREED’ PROBLEM INSTEAD OF PUMP OUR/MY TAX MONEY TO NO WHERE. Why not control the Insurance premium per unit, stop the law suite for crappy reason, limit food stamp amount and PROMOTE CHARITY AID FOR needy people in the US .. don’t forget there are needy kids and familIES in the US as well as Africa, Asia ..

Paul

September 8th, 2009
11:27 am

OK- I am a Republican but you know what… we lost. Yes, we lost. Obama will not be impeached and we will be printing money for 4-8 years. The key is that Georgia must capitalize on the funds that are available. Obama will not be finding a job for the skilled worker- we know this about him. I am from the south side of Chicago- where are all those workers he found jobs for? But, Georgia MUST take the money and they must do that which Obama wants. If he doesn’t build the bridge here, they will build it in Michigan or some other state. They will not say, “hey we shouldn’t build the bridge”. If they want police officers, let’s get them hired. The money will trickle into the economy and we want it here and not in another state. I hope, as all Americans should, that Obama is successful. The rules have changed by popular decree and we should just try to enjoy the ride. You can vote him out next election. In the meantime, I am boarding the Obama train, which is the American train.

Robert

September 8th, 2009
11:33 am

We are an architectural firm that has laid off 75% of our staff. Those laid off will not be designing roads and bridges, or becoming police officers. They will however continue to receive government funded unemployment checks, which raises our country’s debt. The stimulas package must REQUIRE lending from the banks to allow development and employment of all types, otherwise small businesses like mine will never recover.

Tom

September 8th, 2009
11:41 am

For sure there is money missing and some where..Lets say that all the officers get 43,000 per yr..This is suppose to be a 3 yr program..
43,000 X 3 = 126,00 per officer X 50 officers in Atlanta..= 6,300,00..
Give or take a little…Well there getting 11 mil for Atlanta, where is the other 4.7 mil going..This is just atlanta..Don’t forget the money for the other cops…The figures just don’t add up..Not unless you using VA Math..

Porter

September 8th, 2009
11:43 am

Brief history lesson – Rates were being pushed down early part of this century, especially after 9/11. Most loan officers in the morgage business on commission were making money hand over fist, along with the mortgage companies. When it got to where they couldn’t go any lower, they really started pushing the sub-prime crap, to keep the money flowing. Fatcats blaming unsuspecting homebuyers for getting loans they couldn’t afford when the sharks were pushing these loans , and the big government social program was backing and help to push them, is talking head bull crap. The idea that everyone needs to be homeowner, being pushed by the government is a wrongheaded social prgram that adds to suburban sprawl, and is a function of a mortgage interest deduction that should be done away with, along with the IRS. I digress.
Since the government programs are largely the cause of this problem, you would expect the government to fix it, therein lies the problem. It’s like lighting matches to put out a fire. Big money influence said save the banks, but common sense would say save the homeowners caught in these vicious ARM’s. If you don’t save all the homeowners, you have all these houses dumped on the market, then the housing industry takes the first major hit, then so on…
It seems like common sense that you would not prop up the financial markets from the top, but that’s where the influence rules. Regardless of republican or democrat, the money rules. If the government would have bought up all those mortgages from the homeowners, instead of the banks, and reduced the rates, we likely wouldn’t be in this mess. The banks and Wall St. got the money, and they’re still dragging their feet on modifications. The foreclosures keep coming, because the economy is such bad shape now it’s affected everyone.
P.S. Don’t forget, they changed the bankruptcy laws in ‘05, so the fatcats could try to prevent people from getting out of these loans. They still won’t let the judges modify them.

We’re in a fine mess, and we likely won’t even get close to staightening out before the Lord comes back. +++

Tom

September 8th, 2009
11:45 am

Sorry, made a 3,000 mistake on each officer but did the total correct. Still does not add up…Some body is sliding money some where, it sure doesn’t take 4.7 mil to send 50 officers to the state police academy in Forsyth..The last figure i heard it cost less then 8,000 to send one through mandate classes..For sure, no where close to 90,000 each..Thats the amount missing per person..Wow…Pockets are getting full, that are freezers..

TKL

September 8th, 2009
11:51 am

One more thing, when I started to work, I was advised by a “high earning” people that I should work for a private sector and then move over to Government when I am about ready to retire. the explanation for this advise was “private sector pay higher than Government and move over to Government when you ready to retire so you don’t have to word too hard at your old age ..” HA HA, I still consider that was a good advise, specially now a day, GOVERNMENT SEEMS TO BECOME MORE AND MORE INVOLVE .. LET HOPE WE DON’T HAVE TO WORK HARD FOR OUR WAGES ANY MORE .. HA..HA.

Dee

September 8th, 2009
11:52 am

I’m a white, educated (former republican – turned independent)female, and my educated, republican husband has been unemployed since 2007 (excuse me, but wern’t the republicans in office in 2007??). If you don’t have any intelligent solutions, why keep repeating the same comments over & over (most of which are just a repeat from the hate/propaganda channel, Fox News). I agree with the comment “United we Stand, Divided we Fall.” We should all stand behind our President of this great country instead of wishing he, along with the country, will fail. Stimulus funds take time to work!

Michael in Marietta

September 8th, 2009
11:54 am

Dear John,

In the words of Dan Aykroyd to Jane Curtin , “You ignorant sl%%”.
Let me guess, you’re a Acorn loving liberal. YOU played the race card, not David. Maybe it is you who is the racist. Certainly, you have the hate speech of a racist.

Tim M

September 8th, 2009
11:56 am

Why do we need more teachers, books, computers, schools and higher tuition. If you look at the stats (my neighbors included)– from 2007-2009 new college graduates (40%) are not finding jobs,owe 21,000 (avg) in student loans, 4,000 (avg) in credit card debt. We always stimulate the education sector but look at the results. We need job training stimulus at all business sectors to train the unemployed. We don’t need degrees we need jobs. A college degree is all hype. The statistics you see about how college graduates make more money—correct but it only surveys the ones who got the job– not the 1000 who did not. Also, surveys are done by educational bureaucrats who just want to support the educational system for their own benefit.

Patrick

September 8th, 2009
11:59 am

John, shut up already! As soon as I hear the race card in any discussion it’s clear where that conversation will go. It matters little what any of us think. They’re all owned by the special interest groups and it is they that will triumph in the end. Our motto needs to be “If you’re in you’re out” for 2010 and 2012. I don’t care how good or bad you’ve been you have become part of the problem and it’s your time to go. If Obama can’t even take the advise of his chief economic adviser Warren Buffett who said, “Never invest in anything you don’t understand”, then what hope do any of us have? None of it makes any sense!

Native Atlantan

September 8th, 2009
12:10 pm

The only positive part of this article is the hiring of more police officers. As for the infra structure building, the biggest winners are the huge construction companies, their suppliers and all the Hispanic workers, numbering into the hundreds, hired by these huge construction companies benefiting from the stimulus money. How many are illegals? Public taxpayer money spent to give illegal workers jobs while United States citizens in Georgia can not find any jobs of any type.

James

September 8th, 2009
12:11 pm

Frustrated Beyond Belief

September 8th, 2009
10:38 am

My husband’s been out of work since December of last year. My daughter has ectopic atrial tachycardia which two surgeries and three different meds haven’t been able to fix. Our pantry is almost empty; my gas tank is on 1/4 tank; our mortgage company has renegotiated our loan and almost cut the payment in half, but without me getting a second job we won’t be able to make that payment because my main paycheck is less than half of what my take home should be because it covers all of our insurance needs. Oh yeah, and we have $18.67 in the checking account. I don’t give a damn about bridges or roads. My husband needs a job, NOW!!

It’s people like you and me that will show up at the polls in 2010 and 2012 and send these sorry bunch of lawmakers home where they belong! They are self serving and could care less about the average American who is suffering and have been suffering for a long time now. While Obama is vacationing in Martha’s Vineyard common folk are trying to put food on the table. Can anyone answer this…How did Obama become a millionaire as a community organizer? You can call me a Republican (which I’m not) or you can call me a racist (I’m not but I don’t care what you think) but this is the worst administration I’ve ever witnessed in my 60 years! I pray to God he’s a one-hit wonder! I know my vote will go for anyone other than Obama! Anyone!

Sylina Strickland

September 8th, 2009
12:17 pm

I agree, “United we stand, Divided we Fall”.

TKL

September 8th, 2009
12:27 pm

I agree, “United we stand, divided we fall” but be careful to chose where to stand. Need not to stand on the quick sand or on an “unstable surface”

EVOLONE

September 8th, 2009
12:35 pm

Thank you Paul

S. Haddad

September 8th, 2009
12:41 pm

I do not see this as providing new jobs. I respect the police and I feel they need to be supported but it seems like Obama is just elevating the country to a police state. We need to bring jobs back to the US and quit worrying about what China thinks. The chinese government hates us and eventually will pull the notes we owe them then what??? We need manufacturing jobs brought back here with incentives for greedy CEO’s to make money here and support the American economy. We need to go to buying American cars. We need tariffs brought back to make it more cost effective to buy American. We have an interdependent economy and if you eliminate one part the rest will suffer. The global economy is pulling us down. We need to concentrate on college students going where jobs are really needed like engineering. We are importing engineers from foreign countries because our students are not focusing on jobs that will employ them. We need to make college more affordable and one area that the government NEEDS to control is all the outrageous fees that colleges charge students.

James

September 8th, 2009
12:47 pm

Well Dee…you don’t sound too educated! Stimulus funds had to be passed quickly and, as a result, unemployment would not exceed 8%. Obama’s words not mine! By the way, I didn’t see any of your intelligent solutions? Did I miss something?

Trying to Stay Focused

September 8th, 2009
12:49 pm

United we stand, divided we fall….and if we do not stand for something, we will fall for anything.

USAF Vet

September 8th, 2009
12:51 pm

How is this NOT stimulus? This is why I’m a constitutionalist and not a republican anymore. Because republicans can’t count.

1+1=2 people.

Break it down.

You’ve got more people employed. Therefor more income. That income is used to in the local area on… holy crap: goods and services.

Also, you’ve got people with health coverage. So they aren’t visiting a free clinic or Grady that turns around and overcharges the government who ends up paying for it anyway.

Also, you’ve got less crime. It is a well known fact that crime hurts local economies.

And I reject this idea of calling this socialism. Be realistic. It is NOT socialism. Go read about what socialism is before you ditto head that faux news garbage. “redistribution of wealth” oh…you mean like “trickle down economics”. Funny how it’s not socialism when people with money get more money… oh wait… that’s what happens in communist systems like the now defunct USSR and N. Korea.

But whatever people. I guess we can all continue to be hypocrites: ie bashing the president when back in 2003 when anyone questioned the WMD lie they were called unamerican for “bashing the president”.

If you want true conservatism. Check out the constitutionalist party. After all the republicans are responsible for the largest government expansion ever in American history.

BPJ

September 8th, 2009
12:51 pm

The idea of stimulus is to avoid a repeat of the Great Depression. After 1929, government policy for several years emphasized balancing the budget, with disastrous results. Fed Chairman Bernanke, fortunately, is an expert on this period of economic history, and he and the Obama administration are determined not to repeat the mistakes made by Hoover.

When the private sector is laying off workers, and credit is almost frozen, that is the time for deficit spending by government (see the works of John Maynard Keynes). The good times are when government should be running a surplus, paying down the debt, and planning for the next rainy day, as Clinton did, and as Gore advocated in the 2000 campaign. But no, almost half the voters fell for Bush’s argument that we should never run a surplus.

Several of the commenters seem unaware that most transportation spending winds up in the hands of PRIVATE business. The Ga. DOT, for example, pays PRIVATE contractors to do most of its work.

Yes, some of the stimulus funds go to pay salaries of police and teachers. This is a good thing, for two reasons. The first is that we need these people. Local and state governments have seen revenues fall drastically, and would other wise have to lay off police and teachers. That would make us less safe, and our children less educated.

The second reason is that when stimulus money goes into the hands of police, teachers, or those private sector road contractors, it doesn’t just sit there. They spend some of it. Perhaps they go to restaurants more often, so the restaurants don’t have to lay off a waitress or a dishwasher. They may start buying cars again, so some autoworkers don’t lose their jobs. That’s fewer people on welfare, and more people working.

That, at any rate, is Keynes’s theory regarding deficit spending by government in times of recession. It makes sense to me. It is generally accepted by most economists. Stimulus spending is being implemented by many governments, of varying political philosophies, around the world – most of them spending more in relation to the size of their economies than we are.

Deficits are a concern of course, but: (a) the main way deficits are reduced is by accumulating surpluses in times of prosperity (the 1990s, for example), so we need to return to prosperity first, and the stimulus is likely to help, (b) I’m skeptical of lectures on deficits by anyone who voted for Bush Junior twice.

Perhaps Keynes was wrong, and stimulus spending won’t work. Most economists think it has helped us out of some past recessions. But if you’re going to argue against the entire idea of deficit spending as an economic stimulus, then you’re going to have to explain what you have to offer besides the policies of the Hoover administration.

If you’re going to argue that stimulus is a good idea badly applied by the current administration, then at least understand that: (a) much of it is going to private business, such as those road & bridge contractors, (b) money going to prevent layoffs/hire new public employees such as police and teachers is money that works its way into the larger economy, and reduces spending on unemployment, and (c) most of the impact is just starting and will unfurl over the next several months.

And, yes, spending on repairing bridges is a good thing. Remember that bridge that collapsed in a major midwestern city a few years ago?

James

September 8th, 2009
12:57 pm

And, Paul, good for you…enjoy your trip! You forgot to mention you’re a dumba$$ too!

USAF Vet

September 8th, 2009
1:01 pm

Way to go BPJ! Good job!

I love how people think that money earned from a business or money earned from the government are two different things. If you have any printed money… take a look at it. That doesn’t belong to you. You just get to trade it for goods and services. Every bit of money we have was never created by business. It all originates in a trade of treasury notes for printed dollars from the federal reserve.

That money you hold, does not stand for INCOME that YOU have… it represents a debt that everyone owes…. regardless of where you earned it from.

BPJ

September 8th, 2009
1:01 pm

And speaking of bad ideas from the 1930s, now someone is suggesting tariffs as the answer! Smoot-Hawley, anyone?

USAF Vet

September 8th, 2009
1:04 pm

Woah woah woah. Let’s not reduce ourselves to personal flame wars. That serves no purpose in any discussion. You can disagree all you want. But create points to counter his. Use facts and sound logic to back up your positions. Calling people names means that YOU lose and THEY have won. Because that sort of response says that you cannot find anything valid to counter with er go you resort to a personal attack in reaction to wounded pride.

USAF Vet

September 8th, 2009
1:05 pm

BPJ

September 8th, 2009
1:01 pm

And speaking of bad ideas from the 1930s, now someone is suggesting tariffs as the answer! Smoot-Hawley, anyone?

LOL!!!

USAF Vet

September 8th, 2009
1:07 pm

BPJ, you’re a smart individual. I’d love to hear more of your thoughts from time to time. Do you ever have any discussions in online forums outside of a free comment box?

Trying to Stay Focused

September 8th, 2009
1:37 pm

BPJ

I would love to agree with you wholeheartedly, but I can’t…because I do not see the same impact as maybe you do. Yes, the stimulus stimulated the economy, but the economy was stimulated in an area that was not hit hardest by the “mock” recession. The DOT contractors did not hire workers back that were laid off, they used what they had and put more projects on their books. They had already gotten rid of the bottom tier of people that they wanted to get rid of under cover of this so-called recession. Not one company has called back workers that it laid off. Yet, everyone is carrying on with what they have left. Unemployment is still rising and projected to continue to rise. There are many industries that need to have funded positions and the only group in need is not law enforcement. Private industry needs the boost. that is where the bulk of America works.

Have we forgotten that it is not harder for middle income people to get loans from banks that have gotten bailout funds. And no banks is willing to give a business loan to either startup or small businesses unless they have been in business for three years. If a company has been in business for three years and surviving, they don’t need a loan because their initial business plan is sound in the first place.

I just see alot of gaps and holes in the direction. But I still support our Prez. Again I say…United we stand.

Sassy Smith

September 8th, 2009
1:41 pm

After reading these comments, we have already lost the battle and have gain to nothing from the stimulus package. My husband has been laid off for the first time in his work history at 59. Where do we go from here? Could it get any worse…..you betcha! Its only just began.

Cloe

September 8th, 2009
2:10 pm

It is a shame that most of the construction work for bridges etc. goes to the illegal workers. If you think I’m exagerating, drive around from state to state and you will see that maybe a crew of 50 may have 4 whites, maybe 4 blacks, and the rest are illegal immigrants. Most of the HUD vouchers for housing goes to illegal immigrants in California. Americans have absolutely no chance for low income housing.

David

September 8th, 2009
2:50 pm

Want we need from government? Is to put American companies and American people back to work first. Cut national unemployment from +10% to 4%. Right now, it does not matter what jobs are out there now or in the future, what matters is to people back to work and create more jobs for our citizens. We as Americans deserves that, and we need to stop sending our jobs overseas because of the heavy taxes they have to pay here to survive. Right now, our government does not understand that as a result we have forcing ourselves into a recession by importing more people into our country and exporting more jobs outside this country. I am sorry this does not make sense as a result, we are forcing companies to layoff and cutting jobs, and putting good people out of work. Right now, 1 out of every 10 people are out of work, and all we need from this government control health plan is to put people back to work (period)… THANK YOU

Linda

September 8th, 2009
3:01 pm

People need to stop blaming the Obama administration for their short comings. The man has only been in office for 8 months. He is not God. Give him credit for attempting to come up with solutions. Some might be good, some might be bad but at least he is trying. All these people with all these problems, these things did not just start and will not just stop.

I am gator

September 8th, 2009
3:37 pm

Native Atlantan is dead on and every American should begin to ask why! I bid several projects at Ft Benning funded in part by stimulus money and found it impossible to compete against companys using 100% immigrant labor. AMERCANS NEED NOT APPLY! How is that putting people back to work?

Blah Blah Blah

September 8th, 2009
4:25 pm

To those of you who want an accounting of the $31 millions Gerogia has received, perhaps you should be wondering why Atlanta, the economical center and heartbeat of Georgia received the small sum it has. Don’t you wonder why the bulk had gone to the rural counties that just suck the financial life out of the state’s coffers?

J Booker

September 8th, 2009
4:55 pm

I don’t see any bricklayers, carpenters, general clerks, truck drivers, plumbers carpet installers (get the message) or any of the core workers benefiting from the stimulus. Seems it’s the bigwigs Auto dealers, road construction companies. bank execs, (get the message) that are getting the gravy. Of course they will say it will trickle down. Yeah, right.