Hawks forecast – cloudy with a chance of “I don’t know”

Recent interviews with Hawks GM Rick Sund have been like the typical also-ran summer movies. You know - anticlimactic, plotless, and otherwise non-descript. I guess we shouldn’t have expected much from the stoic Sund, but at least he delivered the usual spin, if with a bit more vinegar than usual (is it just me or did the accurate pointedness of beat writer Michael Cunningham’s questions seem to rankle the GM just a bit?)  

The interesting thing (as noted by Hawks fan/blogger Niremetal) is that Sund began the answers to several questions with “I don’t know.” Now, we could all assume that Sund is using the looming Collective Bargaining Agreement situation as a reason for not being even the least bit forthcoming with any offseason thoughts, and that would actually make sense.  But what if there’s more to this? After all, if you’re reading some of the offseason chatter involving the Atlanta Spirit Group and the Hawks, you have to think the picture is getting murkier by the minute. Will the ASG sell the team? Who is interested in investing in the team? A better question might surround this thought – how big of an investor are these guys looking for, and what role will they agree on him/her playing? Anybody who wants in on the deal might be inclined to talk to a fellow by the name of Steve Belkin before doing so. I’m just sayin’….

If that isn’t enough to make you wonder, there’s also the matter of Sund’s employment status (Link is somewhat broken, but the bulk of the subject conversation can be seen and it’s a good read). Former GM Billy Knight walked away from a one year contract offer. Sund signed his. But is he in the long-term plans? Again, with the ownership and financial status being so cloudy, you really have to wonder if there are any long term plans. The team will almost certainly remain in Atlanta. That is all but a guarantee. The ASG will probably maintain control of the team. That is a likelihood, but not quite a guarantee (then again, what do I know?).  Beyond that, it’s a crapshoot. A new investor means a new opinion (but will it be listened to, or will it ignite another public feud?), and Sund may not even get to serve out his one year contract. Speaking of which, just how confidence inspiring is that contract? How do you suppose Sund feels, or does he care at all? I mean, if you felt like the man did his job correctly, then give him a couple years at least. If you didn’t, then go ahead and let him go. One year? Seriously? Maybe Sund doesn’t care, and a paycheck is a paycheck. As it is, he’ll get paid if he keeps his job or if he doesn’t.

What this reeks of is….”I don’t know.” The Spirit Group does not act like they know what’s next. They don’t know who will buy into this NBA franchise, which is understandable. They don’t seem to know what they want to do next, which is sadly predictable and frustratingly consistent. So nobody knows anything. But hey, we can speculate!

The lone certainty

If there is an NBA season, we can bet on one thing – 3 or 4 minimum contract players on the team. While most of us can’t stomach another Josh Powell or Randolph Morris, there are going to be these kind of guys on the team. So what kind of guys should the Hawks go after? Should Hilton Armstrong and Magnum Rolle get a shot at fortifying the end of the bench? Does Damien Wilkins get another one year deal? What’s YOUR opinion on all of this?

 

Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest Blog

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UGA

May 30th, 2011
8:19 am

The Hawks need some shooters, that is what some people forget that this team needs. They also need some wings who can defend the Heat players.
I would look at adding a Troy Murphy or Radmonvic to back up the power forward spot, then I would look at Kapono or Redd to feel the void as a back up shooter.

I would also without a doubt resign Jason Collins, great role guy.

I think some of these fellas could be had for the veterans minimum.

Marcus

May 30th, 2011
8:23 am

Just checking potential 2011 FAs over here: http://www.hoopsworld.com/story.asp?story_id=18192

Hows about snagging Al Thornton (SF) and Luc Mbah a Moute (PF) as potential reserves for us?

Not real sure how Thornton is as a player, but I was always kinda impressed with Mbah a Moute’s seeming scrappiness.

Marcus

May 30th, 2011
8:24 am

Wearing my Mitchell & Ness commemorative Jordan Schafter jersey!!!

Marcus

May 30th, 2011
8:28 am

crap! gotta trade it in for gently-used Rafael Belliard jersey :( LOL

Jerry West

May 30th, 2011
8:29 am

Keep Damien, give him some more minutes. I like his scrappiness. Might rub off some ducks … err… people. As for Hilt the Stilt vs. Magnum…. everybody get your Rolle on!

Big Ray

May 30th, 2011
8:38 am

Jerry West ,

:lol: I like that, good one…

UGA ,

I think Murphy’s gonna cost a bit more than minimum…but I’d take him in a heartbeat. Reliable rebounding and perimeter shooting.

Marcus ,

Mbah a Moute would be a good fit. He likes to play “D” and is definitely scrappy. He’ll defend a mixture of 4s and 3s (not the real quick ones, though).

chuckw/deadjournalist

May 30th, 2011
8:41 am

I, too, noticed Sund’s reaction to some of MC’s questions. Not sure why he got his feathers ruffled considering this was a 44 win team that played more like a 34 win team.

After a few weeks away from the playoffs for some objectivity, I don’t see how anyone can say this Hawks team’s play-off performance somehow positioned them for a step forward. Unlike some of the pundits, I now believe the Hawks run in the playoffs may be the worst of any team to win two games in a second round series in recent history.

Their win of the Magic wasn’t as impressive as some might believe. That Magic team is one Dwight Howard knee injury away from a 30-win team. Yes, credit the Hawks and Larry Drew for putting size-on-size with Collins, but this is no flag-bearing win.

While the Hawks did win two against the Bulls, their early exit against the Heat showed that this is not an elite team. Yes, Rose is a fantastic player, but he is far from a perfect player. The Bulls were exploited as the shadow-boxers they are by a team with two good wings; but Bosh’s performance should be alarming to Hawks fans. The same Bulls team that slowed down Horford could not do the same with Bosh. No, they aren’t the same type player, but I think people are sorely mistaken in thinking that Horford can be anything more than he is: a smart, but limited player.

Sund’s admission that the Hawks have no MVP-type player, while true, was the most pointed. Everyone references the Pistons team that won a championship as a model for the Hawks. Please. Not only are the players (not to mention coaches) drastically different, but the NBA is different.

The Pistons won at time when the the East was reduced to rubble and the two best teams in the best featured offenses that revolved around Tim Duncan and Shaquille O’Neal. Now, the East is young and improving and the Hawks face the reality of having to deal with a young Bulls team and the Heat during the remaining portion of their window. Even the aging Celtics present the same challenges: guards and wings who are better than what the Hawks have to offer.

The only hope for the Hawks is that the new CBA has some kind of “Oops” clause that allows the team to no count one salary against their cap. Maybe then they could, in theory, find some real pieces that would help them. You know the ones … the same ones we have been clamoring for since 2008. Depth at the 1/2/3. A true, starting caliber 5 (or 4). Toughness. Leadership. Rebounding. Maturity. Leadership. Leadership.

If there is no-such “Oops” clause in the new CBA, then the Hawks will be relegated to signing guys who are at best like Damien Wilkins or at worst roster fillers. Maybe they could trade Marvin Williams for

chuckw/deadjournalist

May 30th, 2011
8:47 am

blog monster wouldn’t let me finish my post above)

… trade Marvin Williams for another team’s disappointment.

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Geemack

May 30th, 2011
9:32 am

Same off season for the Hawks. Nothing exciting. The most exciting thing for Hawks is we get a chance to play……”Let see who jumps over us next. This year it was Chicago.

Geemack

May 30th, 2011
9:33 am

The best chance for the Hawks to remain in the top 4 in the east is Dwight Howard abandoning the ship in Orlando.

Section 303

May 30th, 2011
9:35 am

We aren’t going to know anything until the CBA is set. Without knowing the rules, there is almost no reason to talk about who stays, who goes, or who gets added to the team.

This lockout will make reporting on the NBA almost impossible. It’s also going to take away the 2011-2012 season. With the changes the owners are going for, highly doubtful we see the Hawks take the floor until October 2012.

Make sure you enjoy these NBA Finals games. They’re the last NBA games we’re going to see for a long time.

Go Mavs, too!

doc

May 30th, 2011
9:45 am

when i was growing up we got a steady diet of reruns big ray.

with the cba it may be a we get of nba for a long time not just the hawks way to success

even with some success is there an nba brand any worse than this one outside of the clippers? maybe the warriors who now has an active owner and j west to help the brand.

Big Ray

May 30th, 2011
10:44 am

ChuckW ,

Very good points.

The differences are obvious. Horford is a hybrid PF/C who came into the League as a rugged rebounder and a smart player who I think is capable of putting up 16 and 10 (with 55% shooting) for the bulk of his career. However, he needs to regain his rugged mentality or he’s not going to be everything he could be, or even what he was in his first three years, despite the added offensive skills.

Bosh came into the League as a focal point of his team’s offense, probably a role he’s played since high school. He knows what it’s like to be “the guy” and has the skills to do so. A true stretch 4. Not a Kevin Garnett, but darn good enough.

Now, as for the Bulls defense – guarding Bosh while you’re worried about DWade and Lebron is no joke. The Bulls had to pick their poison. Now…put Bosh back in Toronto and see if the Bulls don’t clamp down on HIM, while making Calderon/DeRozan/whoever see if they can beat them (which they couldn’t). Different story there.

Big Ray

May 30th, 2011
10:53 am

Oh, and Chuck , I think you have to know what leadership IS before you can find some to sign to your roster, LOL.

Section 303 ,

I don’t know. The NFL can afford a lockout. I don’t think the NBA can. They’ll lose too much in the way of money via endorsements/ratings/etc.

I mean, look at the Miami Superfriends. Years ago, you’d think everybody in the country would bandwagon onto that group. Yet, they are the most hated talented team since…well, take your pick.

The NBA doesn’t have a group of highly marketable people such as they once did. Lebron is a villain for how he went to South Beach. Wade has lost a step in the marketing department. Remember the days of Michael Jordan, who could sell anything from a McRib to a whole line of shoes (you don’t see nearly the number of shoe commercials these days), to underwear (he’s STILL selling those!), to some gawdawful cologne (Uhh…I just heard it was awful..I never really tried any…no really…)? Remember the Looney Tunes movies? Charles Barkley commercials? Penny Hardaway and Lil’ Penny? Shaq and Pepsi? Larry Bird and Magic and others doing those crazy horse shots commercials (Over the rafters, out of the gym, across the law…nothing but net)?

The NBA doesn’t have that now.

The Heat are hated (no more “The Lebrons” commercials!). The Celtics are old (no more classical/baroque period music as inspirational battle songs during their commercials). Dwight Howard may as well be on a season of Lost, ’cause that’s how it looks down in Orlando right about now. Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant are two of the League’s most brilliant up and coming stars, and people outside of basketball probably still don’t know who they are. Most of us aren’t familiar with their tv personalities. Not enough commercials. Not enough endorsements.

We have “basketball without borders” more than we do anything else. Right next to the “for only 99 cents a day, you can help this child eat for a month in some unspecified third world country” commercials. How charming.

The next great NBA personality? Put your money on Blake Griffin. If the NBA has a lockout, there will be L.A. riots (for a different reason) again. The NBA will lose more money than the NFL has ever forgotten about.

dap01

May 30th, 2011
11:25 am

The Hawks ownership, management and coaching is a collection of the cheapest available role players. The are collectively inept. They inspire nothing.

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O'Brien

May 30th, 2011
1:21 pm

When Rick Sund was hired, the Hawks were coming off a thrilling (at least the home games were) 7 game series against the eventual NBA champion Celtics. We had a young Childress, a young Josh Smith, a young Al Horford, and a rising All-Star in JJ. I dont understand why the ASG thought Rick Sund was the man for the job,

IMO, If the ASG didnt hire Rick, I dont think he would have gotten another GM job (and if he did, I dont think it would be with a team looking to take the next step to perennial playoff contender). So I am not surprised he took the one year deal. BK turned down the 1 year deal, and where is BK now?

Despite the uncertaintly, if the Hawks improve this coming season, Rick still has a chance at an extension (along with LD).

E43

May 30th, 2011
1:52 pm

Keyword is speculation.We can all speculate which is common but I honestly dont think that a trade will be the key to this summer. I have a strong feeling that Jamal Crawfords situation will be the focus of the summer for the hawks. I think ive said this before but I think that the adjustments the hawks will possibly come out with involve either colins/zaza/F.A at center and more minutes for Teague at Pg then call it a day untill the trade deadline. Id be very surprised if the hawks can SAFELY overcome not having a first round pick, CBA situation and lets not forget the ownership ownership problems

Big Ray

May 30th, 2011
3:29 pm

E43 ,

I honestly wonder about Zaza. They tried to move him at the trade deadline, and weren’t able to do it. A few questions come to mind, which may or may not have any bearing on what could happen this summer:

1) Who were they targeting, and what did they think that person brought to the team that Zaza did not?

2) Did Zaza give them anything in the playoffs that might make them feel differently about him now (as in they’d rather keep him)?

3) Might this indicate what the Hawks may go after this offseason (assuming the lockout doesn’t hamper things further), or what kind of guys they’re looking at?

If you’re trading Zaza Pachulia, what are you looking to get in return?

Here’s the deal – Collins’ role is best suited for banging with large centers who are offensive threats. Beyond that, his defense is limited by his rotation ability, and he’s neither a shot-blocker by trade, nor a rebounder of note. And he’s anything but an offensive threat, a clean-up guy only if he’s wide open next to the basket.

Pachulia is a far more effective rebounder, and can give you some points. His defense is better from a recovery/help standpoint than Collins, but he’s no athletic wonder and sometimes even he struggles on the boards. Again, not a defender of the rim, a position defender.

So what do you go after? I say you go after a guy who is tough to deal with down low, and has a bit more athletic/lateral ability than Pachulia. He has one or two offensive moves and can execute those with regularity, maybe 3-4 times a game or more. No jumper necessary. More importantly, he can both position defend and challenge at the rim when the opportunity arises. And…he’s a rugged rebounder on both ends who generally outworks the opponents on the glass (and punishes them even when he doesn’t win the battle).

Of course, such a person may actually be a compliment to a guy like Pachulia. But if I’m trading Pachulia, I want a guy who can spend some quality minutes down low with Horford, as his compliment. Problem now is if this guys starts alongside Horford, what do you do for a backup center?

i_am_soulstar

May 30th, 2011
5:04 pm

Ray,

From what I heard at the trade deadline, the Hawks were in talks with the Rockets to trade Zaza for Brad Miller.

i_am_soulstar

May 30th, 2011
5:11 pm

Tracy McGrady can be had for cheap. He’d be a great addition. 14.91 PER last season. The backcourt depth of the Hawks makes it a low risk, high reward situation.

Big Ray

May 30th, 2011
5:28 pm

I am soulstar ,

Think we would have been better off with Miller?

I’d have taken McGrady last year. Don’t worry, we’ll sign him. After he’s no longer able to perform worth a squat, that is…

O'Brien

May 30th, 2011
6:09 pm

Big Ray,

Rick Sund plays it safe, and so does the ASG, so I really dont expect much from them. Even if there is an “oops” clause, would the Hawks use it to release Marvin? I dont think so, because can the ASG afford to pay Marvin to go away, when he has always been one of the core?

I think they keep Marvin, because if they get rid of him, they still have to pay him, and fans would expect them to use the available cap space, which I think they will be reluctant to do.

I think all the players will be back, while Rick and LD hopes that they will all improve individually, leading to more improvements as a team.

PD

May 30th, 2011
6:18 pm

Al Thorton athletic 3 that can go off at any moment plus he is from Perry,GA

Marcus Thornton great back up 2

Samuel Dalembert The rebounding shot blocking center the Hawks need scoop him before Miami or New York do because they will. 2 cities with great stars and large Haitain communities. Miami and NY will be a homecoming for Sam.

Hopefully Iman Shumpert or Chris Lighty falls to 48 in the draft.

Keep Smith Wilkins Crawford Collins and Thomas

These are all of my wishes for the Hawks.

The Hawks should not trade Josh Smith but they need to figure out how to move Marvin.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 30th, 2011
6:22 pm

“If there is an NBA season, we can bet on one thing – 3 or 4 minimum contract players on the team. While most of us can’t stomach another Josh Powell or Randolph Morris, there are going to be these kind of guys on the team.”

Even if they have to fill out the roster with minimum players, other teams go out and find players like Tracy McGrady and Shawne Williams — you know, players who are actually somewhat productive — to sign to minimum salary deals, while the Hawks go get players like Josh Powell who would have trouble starting in the D-League.

Sund is a joke.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 30th, 2011
6:25 pm

“Who were they targeting, and what did they think that person brought to the team that Zaza did not? ”

From what I remember seeing on Twitter at the time the Hawks were going to move Zaza for Brad Miller, who gets paid almost exactly the same as Zaza. In hindsight it’s good that the trade didn’t pan out since Zaza stepped up his game significantly after the trade deadline. He had played pretty poorly up to that point, but even if the Hawks expected that poor play to continue, I’m not sure that Brad Miller would have been an upgrade on the court.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 30th, 2011
6:26 pm

“Hopefully Iman Shumpert or Chris Lighty falls to 48 in the draft. ”

Damn, I guess managing 50 Cent doesn’t bring in the money it used to.

PD

May 30th, 2011
6:29 pm

This is just a side hustle Najeh

PD

May 30th, 2011
6:33 pm

Sund may actually be worst than Billy Knight in less the amount of time. He is handcuffed this roster financially. Also, like his Seattle days he loads up on garbage bigs, undervalues draft picks and loves to acquire long shot prospect players. Pape Sy is our Robert Swift(also a garbage big).

O'Brien

May 30th, 2011
6:42 pm

PD,

Sy was the 53rd pick, so its understandable if he flops. But Sund picked Swift, Petro and Sene in the first round lottery. Unacceptable.

i_am_soulstar

May 30th, 2011
6:56 pm

Big Ray,

I’m not sure with our current make-up. While Brad Miler is likely a better overall player than Zaza, Z provided us with some much needed rebounding and interior toughness during the playoffs that the team was sorely lacking. Now if we get a legit center, I can see trading Zaza for Brad Miller, but until then, it’s not the greatest idea to trade your toughest player when toughness is already in short supply. But give us a true C who can hold down the paint, and I’d make that trade in a second.

Astro Joe

May 30th, 2011
7:26 pm

I’d bring back Damien and would look at guys like Azubuike, Roger Mason, Anthony Carter, Antonio Daniels, Jason Kapono, Solo Jones, Dan Gadzuric, Tony Battie and Jamal Magloire as far as veterans likely to earn the minimum salary. I’d also see if someone like Bostie Nachbar has interest in returning to the NBA. Kwame Brown and Marquis Daniel would also be of interest to me but they maybe too expensive. And no, the list I provided is not supposed to represent a group of ballers who propel us to The Finals… just a group of cheap role-players who could provide depth during a long, long 82 game season. IMO, the key will be to find a back-up SG who isn’t a ball-hog (assuming Hinrich and Teague return), a legit 3-point threat, a 3rd PG (preferrably an experienced one) and another collection of disposable bigs. I’d love to get a quality back-up PF (like Carl Landry, Glenn Davis or Kris Humphries Kardashian), but they will likely cost much too much. Kenyon Martin wouldn’t be a bad add to bring some nastiness to the Boys Choir of Atlanta.

Da Ja Vu

May 30th, 2011
7:33 pm

Hawks lose in the second round. This time to a team they have more talent than overall. Seems like wveve been here before….didnt I say that last year? They year before?

Sh!t Da Ja Vu next year well play this same stupid CD. It get old.

If Al could play as well as Josh then we wouldnt have to plant these negative seeds against Josh. We all know its either Josh or Al for the Forward position once we find a center. All the Al fans are spewing hate on Josh, without thinking whats best for the hawks. They blindly hate Josh to support Al. All that hate wont make Al play any better.

Let Jsmoove and Al play 1 ON 1 and the loser gets traded, the best play stays. Just that simple haters….dont you have confidence in Al? Or is your hatred of Josh a concession that Josh is the better player?

Da Ja Vu

May 30th, 2011
7:41 pm

“Here’s the deal – Collins’ role is best suited for banging with large centers who are offensive threats. Beyond that, his defense is limited by his rotation ability, and he’s neither a shot-blocker by trade, nor a rebounder of note. And he’s anything but an offensive threat, a clean-up guy only if he’s wide open next to the basket.” – kind of reminds me of Al.

Marcus

May 30th, 2011
7:57 pm

Astro,
On further thought of my post @8:23 am, I don’t know if we have the ‘pedigree’ to get guys in their prime playing years to come to play a backup role, important as it may be to our team.
Would Al Thornton, Luc Mbah a Moute or someone like them (mid-late 20s just coming off a rookie contract) look to become a guaranteed 2nd stringer, esp. if its not at one of the NBA elite that always seem in contention or have the $$$ and stars to make it seem appealing?.

The Lakers, Celtics, Heat and maybe Bulls can pull that off …. but do we have the juice to throw a min. deal to a guy young and talented enough to make a difference, knowing he would be a backup to Smoove, Horford, or JJ?

Astro Joe

May 30th, 2011
8:00 pm

Marcus, IMO, Al Thornton is a scrub who won’t be in the league in 3 years. Even if he accepted a minimum wage contract, I’d rather have Damien or Kapono. Mbah a Moute would be a great add but I think he is a RFA and I don’t see an RFA coming to the Hawks. To answer your general question, the problem with keeping the same ole same ole for all these years is that an “outsider” probably feels like they won’t crack the playing rotation, because we use the same 6 or 7 players year after year after year after year… So yeah, I think we’re stuck with signing guys who just want a paycheck (or a temporary home to prove they still have it)..

OldTimer

May 30th, 2011
8:31 pm

The “Atlanta Spirit Group” is a collection of candy asses. Rich men with a small endowment. Doesn’t marry well.

O'Brien

May 30th, 2011
8:47 pm

The key for the Hawks is to find role players. Since we are likely to stick with the same top 7 players, we need to find role players to help with our weaknesses.

We need a shooter. Jason Kapono shoots 44% from 3 for his career
We need more help on the boards; Reggie Evans is available. 7 rpg in 19 mpg for his career.

I’m tired of Joe Smith, Randolph Morris, Etan Thomas, Josh Powell etc.

Mark

May 30th, 2011
8:48 pm

Who really cares. This team is going no where with stiffs like Joe Johnson and Josh Smith leading it.

FACTS

May 30th, 2011
9:50 pm

I don’t Josh Powell will be on our bench next year after the incident downtown!

Daniel

May 30th, 2011
10:12 pm

What if the Hawks made this move:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

I know it has practically 0 chance of happening, but then you’d have a deadly lineup of:
Teague- Hinrich
Ellis- (Sign a cheap free agent— see Ronnie Price)
Dorell Wright- Sy- (sign another cheap free agent— see Roger Mason)
Smith- Armstrong- (Sign another cheap free agent— see Leon Powe)
Howard-Pachulia-Collins

Hang onto Damien Wilkins and release all the other 1 year contract players, then you’d have a deadly team. I know that it is 100 unlikely, but man would that be an awesome team. Teague penetrating and kicking to Ellis, Wright, and Mason. Ellis creating his own shot. Feeding Howard ALL DAY. Hinrich and Price make a deadly defensive combo off the bench, all though there would be little offensive production.

Ahhh that would be great. I can only dream.

Daniel

May 30th, 2011
10:19 pm

I don’t think the above link works, so for the record my dream trade was:

Atlanta gets:
Monta Ellis
Dorrell Wright
Dwight Howard

Orlando gets:
David Lee
Joe Johnson

Golden State gets:
Al Horford
Marvin Williams
Jameer Nelson.

Trade Machine said it would be financially doable.

N.D.T.K.A.

May 30th, 2011
10:24 pm

The interesting thing about bringing in role players is that you have to have management,and coaching that can identify, bring in, and utilize these players effectively. You also have to have players on your roster that guys want to play with and respect. What happened to JJ’s recruiting efforts mentioned when he signed that wonderful contract? Do guy’s want to play with or behind Al “the boss” with all the subtle lines in the media about playing PF and not wanting to play full-time center and his disappearing act in the playoffs? Do guys want to play with or behind Josh and his immature antics on the court at times?
Damien Wilkins was a good p/u for this team but really other than him, J. “no defense” Crawford , and even Flip Murray the Hawks have not been able to create a full or consistent bench. Nor do Hawks management look like they would be likely to invest in a quality bench. But the teams still playing either spent the money or kept searching and comitted to bringing in guys to help their team like the Heat.

Hawks don’t have the respect, the management and coaching smarts, or the commitment from ownership needed to create a complete bench with quality role players….

KevinM

May 30th, 2011
10:27 pm

We here as a majority don’t have a lot of faith in the ASG, Sund and Larry Drew. This entire organization is seeing things half full vs. half empty.
Good comments Ray as most of us truly expect little out of this upcoming summer. The obstacles continue to be greater than the opportunities. Sund will not provide any significant information.
I don’t think he has the ability to shake things up with this group. Bibby was a reactive move after watching Chicago and Miami blow by us and Philly and Indy starting to catch up.

It would not surprise to see the Hawks continue to drop in the standings.

5 on 5

May 30th, 2011
11:21 pm

The Hawks won 1 series and they were done. They did not pass the 2nd round, the same as last year and the year before. You say well we won 2 games in the second round. I laugh. You won two games against a team you could have beat, but you did not. Chicago is not much better than the hawks. In fact we may have more talent over all than Chicago and we still lost in six. How is that competing? Gee, You guys will never win because you are always depending on welfare for a hand out. The ball is thrown up in the air…Go Get It! dont wait for it to come down to you. The hawks have a mediocrity attitude. Atlanta won 1 series and then were done, just like they did the last 2 years…. and you want me to put a positive spin on the sh!t? Like I said last year and the year before. Ill see you back here next year and we can play this same Damn De Ja Vu Cee fckin Dee.

Al is average at best. How can he selfishly demand to play a position that hes not even the best at on the team escapes me.Al’s demands forces every body out of position and causes a lot of unhappiness amongst the players. I dont like Josh being forced to the perimeter to play a 3 guard shooting bombs. Josh is best in the paint at the power forwards position, and he plays that position much better than Al. As much as there is a lot of hater aid thrown Josh’s way, at least hes willing to move to a position to accommodate Al rantings. Josh is more of a team player than Al in that he moves out of a position where he is the best defending power forward in the game,(not bad offensively either), minimizing his game for the sake of the team. Take notes Al. Al this for Al, whose numbers and talent is average at best.

No wonder the hawks cant sell out a home playoff game. The Hawks are disgusting.

James

May 31st, 2011
2:26 am

Trade Joe Johnson to the Bulls for Carlos Boozer Chicago is looking for a SG so give them Joe so they can take his salary off our hands.

dap01

May 31st, 2011
8:23 am

The fact that Pape was even selected in the draft tells you alot about Sund. He could have actually used the pick on someone who was going to be picked by someone else. Pape would still be there as a free agent.

O'Brien

May 31st, 2011
8:24 am

An interesting read from hoopinion about LD’s season. And while I disagree with some of his JJ commentary, I think Bret is repeating some of the same things we have been saying all year.

One can’t dismiss the adverse effects of the Horford Treatment, Josh Smith’s 482 jump shots, or Drew’s bizarre and destructive infatuation with Josh Powell. But the central failure of Drew’s regular season as a head coach was an over-reliance on shotmakers who, largely, weren’t making shots and offered little else of value while on the court..

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/

Astro Joe

May 31st, 2011
10:29 am

OB, Lagree would prefer that LD play only 4 guys than utilize Josh Powell. Sometimes he loses credibility simply because he insists on obsessively chewing on the same bone time after time after time. The very idea that Josh Powell’s name is introduced in an evaluation of LD’s season is pretty absurd (unless you are someone who is fixated on every second that Powell is on the floor).

Farewell, Atlanta Thrashers. Enjoy the Canadian bacon.