Hawks Fans: Internal improvement suggestions

It’s that time of year again, as if you needed to be told. Offseason doldrums. Well, if you’re a Hawks fan, that is. With the Conference Finals yet to be finished, and therefore the NBA Finals yet to begin, the draft is ordinarily the next topic of conversation. However, there doesn’t seem like much use in talking draft prospects since the Hawks don’t have a first round pick. They do have a second round pick, but unless it’s a very deep draft or Sund and his team are hot on the trail of some talented foreign prospect that nobody else knows about (think Pape Sy, part II), then there’s probably very little that’s noteworthy in the way of change to the team.

What about free agency and trade? With the CBA gumming things up, and constant investment/sale chatter in connection with the team and Phillips Arena, there is no telling what can be expected. Rick Sund’s administration keeps things close to the vest, so there would probably be few rumors to speculate on anyway. And again…the CBA looms large. What does all of this mean? It may not be wise to expect the Hawks to make any major changes to the team. Maybe not even some that would seriously change the core, something that the Hawks don’t seem inclined to do, as it is. There’s nothing left but internal improvement. So, at the suggestion of our very own Astro Joe, I ask YOU -  

Which Hawks players can help this team become more than it was this season, and how should they go about it? Just to get this party started, here are a few thoughts of my own:

Larry Drew

There is no substitute for experience in the big seat (also known as the hot seat). However, Drew is still up against a wall. Many are calling for a championship caliber head coach, and while Drew had the Hawks playing competitively and much better in the playoffs, but he wasn’t able to get the team past a third straight second round playoff exit. Many think that a better head coach could or will solve all the problems with player performance on the court. Drew is likely to be staying employed (much to the chagrin of some), so his best bet is to accomplish some of the things that people say he can’t do. First, he could stand to learn how to let his players play through early foul trouble. Drew’s tendency to snatch a guy like Al Horford out if he gets two fouls in the first half is a momentum robbing move, and often affects the player’s ability to get going. Second, he needs to figure out a firm rotation that works, and redefine some roles. Gee, where have we heard THAT before? Third, if all the guys who are here now, remain here, then Drew needs to find a better way of coaxing the best out of them. That might mean tweaks to his offense, which we still are unable to identify clearly.

Al Horford

Simply put, Horford needs to get back to his roots. Even if he ends up playing more power forward than center for the remainder of his career, there is no reason not to play tough. Horford spent the first three years of his career as an ever present double double threat and a guy who most frontcourts preferred to not have to deal with. Horford had a rough postseason performance and while he did average a double double (a fact that seems to continuously elude some of us), he didn’t look like the guy who had just established a career high in field goal percentage and points per game during the regular season. Al needs to spend some offseason time with somebody who can help him with his back-to-the-basket game. That, and maybe he should start eating boiled leather for breakfast. Tough is where it’s at.

Jeff Teague

The playoff series against Chicago made Jeff Teague look like the legitimate starting point guard prospect that we had hoped he would become. While he may not have the job in the bag for certain, his chances are better than good. The first thing Teague needs to do is maintain a professional work ethic and attitude. One thing bothered me about his reason for playing well, and that’s this snippet from AJC Beat writer Michael Cunningham, which I think a lot of people may have missed, or maybe misunderstood:

To Teague, the difference has not just been playing more; it’s knowing the Hawks need him to play more.

“I would say that’s the difference,” he said. “During the season I didn’t know if I was going to play one game and if I was going to sit the next. Now, knowing that I’m going to get an opportunity to go in every game, I just try to focus and give a good effort.”

Ok, now that seems like an easy “like shooting fish in a barrel” shot at Larry Drew, doesn’t it? And we can go on and on about how much Drew should or shouldn’t have played Teague during the regular season. But the point here is that Teague can’t come into camp with this attitude.  If he does, then he doesn’t need to be the starting point guard. A professional player needs to go at it hard and heavy regardless of how much he can “expect” to play. I understand what the young man is saying and why, but if you’re not always mentally prepared to play….then how are you ever going to be ready to play? Thankfully, Teague was ready to go against Chicago. But now, he needs to bring that verve every night if he wants to run this team. He needs to come to camp READY to play, not EXPECTING to play.

Oh yeah…and he needs to work with a shooting coach. Give that young man a better jumper and we’ll be looking at a very potent player who might be the best point guard this team has seen since Mookie Blaylock.

So there you have a few suggestions of my own. YOUR turn!

 

Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest Blog

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O'Brien

May 26th, 2011
9:42 pm

Big Ray,

This is from an old Jeff Schultz blog “Al Horford an All-Star at center but he’s taking a beating.”

How good would he be as a power forward? “He’d be a beast,” coach Larry Drew said.

He is taking a beating, particularly at the defensive end. Drew is trying to minimize the issue by going with a “big” lineup about 40 percent of the time: Horford moves to power forward, Josh Smith to small forward, Jason Collins steps in at center and Marvin Williams goes to the bench.

Drew admitted, “I’ve even thought of making the change permanent.”.

So I think LD is giving Al more ammunition in believing that he would be a beast at PF, and LD has said openly he has considered making Al the full time PF. With the HC making those kind of comments, I think Hawks will have to play Josh at SF, trade Josh, or trade Horford.

niremetal

May 26th, 2011
9:53 pm

Big co-sign to Ray’s 8:04.

O'Brien

May 26th, 2011
10:50 pm

We saw Kurt Thomas make Al’s life difficult in the playoff against the Bucks. And then we decide to sign Josh Powell and Etan Thomas in FA.

Bulls sign Kurt Thomas, and he is giving them good minutes in tonight’s game. I think one reason why he signed with the Bulls is they gave him a 2 year at a little more than the vet min. but Rick’s history suggests that he only does one year vet min deals.

I think we could have used Kurt Thomas.

doc

May 26th, 2011
11:34 pm

ken s, you convinced yet that miami is going to be good?

man for 5 years i have cried out the name of ken thomas. worst move the suns made was to get rid of him for nothing!

Rod from College Park

May 27th, 2011
12:08 am

Big Ray,

“1) Josh is more versatile through potential, not through production. Potential versatility is what keeps him a steady stable of fans. It’s also what has kept him from becoming an all-star. Because potential is something that hasn’t happened yet.

2) The part about Horford’s deadly jumper not being so deadly when someone is in his face – a couple of thoughts on that. First, teams will guard guys who they know can hurt them. It’s called respect. Strange how Horford was met with tenacious defense whenever he thought about taking a jumper (or doing anything else). How about Smith?”

I know that you know what versatile is. I really don’t even have to go in depth about that. Josh is more versatile period. Potental/Production……LOL. What has kept Josh out of the All star game is better forwards than him period. Al Horford would not have been an All Star at the forward spot at any point in his career either. Horford is a better jump shooter from 15 feet, better rebounder, free throw shooter and shoots a better percentage from the field. That’s it. Josh is a better scorer, defender, better play maker, better ball handler, better shot blocker, better at steals, better post game, draws more fouls, normally affects the game more than Horford. Just look at the career stats.

Horford was met with tenacious D (LOL). Orlando or Chicago never worried about Horford on D, they simply told his man not to leave him. They played him tight, never doubled him and knew that there was no risk of him putting the ball on the floor and going by his man. They played him like we played Kyle Korver. Just don’t leave him open for the jump shot. I guess teams don’t respect Jason Kidd, because they have left him open for jump shots his whole career. Like Josh, teams just don’t respect their jump shots, but both players have the ability to beat you in other ways. If Horford’s jumper ain’t falling, his offensive game is done.

O'Brien

May 27th, 2011
7:07 am

First OKC, and Now Chicago. It sucks watching these teams crumble under pressure.

Against the Hawks, there was a game where Thibs kept Boozer and Noah on the bench for the entire 4th quarter, and it worked. But I think he stuck with his bench too long in the 4th last night.

And although I am not a LeBrat fan, dude has made some great plays this postseason, first against Boston, and now against Miami, offensively and defensively. I hope our players realize the importance of playing defense.

And although I am not a Miami fan, congrats to Bibby, who makes it to the NBA finals and gets a chance at a ring.

honest_abe

May 27th, 2011
10:10 am

lbj is still “the king”.. love him or hate him he’s still the best basketball player in the world. hands down. nobody in nba history has the ability to affect so many different aspects of a game.

i dont’ think la has to dangle anything to get dwight. i believe he’ll opt out of his contract in 2012. if the magic do decide to trade him next year it’ll be “melo” drama all over again. i wonder if the magic would prefer bynum+trash over something atlanta could offer up. jj+al? smith and howard would be a nightmare defensively. scary thought.

doc

May 27th, 2011
11:42 am

let his coronation begin after he wins a title, honest. i still remember him walking off the floor classless one year then quitting the next to show up for the decision. yes his time will come but the difference in him and rose when it comes to class is hands down going to the mvp this year. that is what kingdom is about even if he wins a title with his merry jesters at his side. sorry, his head still betrays his physical attributes.

Astro Joe

May 27th, 2011
11:46 am

Abe, assuming the CBA/cap rules are similar, the Lakers wouldn’t be able to offer Howard more than chump change because of their existing salaries… so they would have to trade for him.

wordsmithtom

May 27th, 2011
12:14 pm

His head is big: it has to be. He has a bigger mouth than a largemouth bass. Check his photo on today’s AJC. That’s just AWESOME.

Rod from College Park

May 27th, 2011
12:33 pm

vava74

May 27th, 2011
12:38 pm

Rod:
“Horford’s deadly accurate midrange jumper is not so deadly when someone is in his face, which is what happened in the playoffs, and what will happen with him playing the 4. He does not posess that lateral quickness to blow by 4’s like he does centers.”

Exactomundo!

Horford is a fool for wanting to play PF where his limited game is exposed against the best PFs in the game.

And indeed, during the playoffs opponents simply got a guy to stay on him or close out quickly whenever he got the ball in his sweet spots, transforming his usually accurate but highly consented mid range shots into clunkers.

The simple fact is that teams work a lot based on scouting reports which date from the previous season and Al was left open throughout MOST of the regular season since no one knew he could knock those shots.

And I “know” this why?

Because watching games on league pass I got the hear the opposing team’s telecast and throughout most of the the season and almost until its very end THEY SEEMED SURPRISED WITH HORFORD’s RANGE and ACCURACY (”he’s knocking those shots now, he has become danger from the midrange” was a frequent commentary from February onward.

Enter the playoffs and scouting reports were adjusted / adapted and Diaper Al stopped having clean looks from the elbow and the baseline as he did during the season and was forced to rush shots (or pass)… the result was that he suddenly started clunking everything (and amassing assists).

So, next year expect tighter defenses and lower FG%.

This unless Diaper Al suddenly develops a consistent 3 point shot and surprises everyone again allowing him to go through most of the season with guys leaving him open from that range.

Funny enough (not funny at all), Diaper Al has already announced that over the summer he wants to expand his range now that he realized that in the playoffs his midrange shots were highly contested.

He is a smart but extremely soft guy who is simply buying time with yet another gimmick. By the end of next year we will have “Channing Frye 2.0″ in our hands.

vava74

May 27th, 2011
1:22 pm

Rod from College Park

May 27th, 2011
3:41 pm

vava74,

We agree again. Wow. It’s really not that hard to see. I guess folks hatred of Josh, makes them not see the obvious with Horford. This is two playoffs back to back where he disappeared and turned into the stay puff marshmellow man. You can fool me once, but it won’t happen twice.

Ray

May 27th, 2011
4:04 pm

@ honest_abe

Think you might want to look back at a guy named Ervin Johnson, and least us not forget the Jumpman himself lol.

One thing about Lebron James is his legacy has been dented and trashed after “The Decision.” crap that pretty much put a lid on this guy even being named into the legendary players of the game. Plus these other guys did it as the leader of their team I honestly hope no one here, or anywhere thinks Lebum James is the leader of the Miami Heat.

@ Rod

I think people are going to see next season why Horford was better off at center quickly especially if he doesn’t do a thing to refine his game for the PF position. As for LD’s comments about Horford being a beast he probably thought Marvin was and is a beast right now lol.

Ray

May 27th, 2011
4:09 pm

I think the blog monster ate my post I guess.

doc

May 27th, 2011
4:47 pm

thanks vava for the piece on the zen man

vava74

May 27th, 2011
7:13 pm

Rod,

Yeah! It’s bleeping obvious!

I was actually a huge horford fan since I thought that he was a hard nosed warrior who was willing to go against bigger guys and used his superior quickness, agility and ability to score on transition to make his dent.

Initially, when i saw him develop his midrange shot i was happy since i thought that he would use it to draw opposing centers away from the paint in order to drive more.

Unfortunately that was not the case. Now He is mostly away from the paint and runs away from physical players and from any contact down low.

Following last year’s playoffs our emotional and selective memories as fans made us think that this happened only with howard, but itactually started with kurt thomas and we should have added 2 and 2.

Josh may have plenty of issues but at least he ia notba coward.

Ray

May 27th, 2011
9:51 pm

Well the worse has happened The Sund has spoketh lol, and again another summer no changes except cutting someone like Etan Thomas or Armstrong, and in turn replacing them with another scrub. At least last year we had a draft pick in the first round now it’s hoping and praying we get some diamond in the rough in the 2nd round.

Maybe Keith Benson from Oakland he’s 6′11 and a C yeah I know he’s not 7′0, but hey you don’t have to be 7′0 to be a great Center.

Ray

May 27th, 2011
9:52 pm

Wow umm Big Ray can ya help me out with the blog monster I think it ate multiple posts now lol.

O'Brien

May 27th, 2011
10:23 pm

Excellent interview with Rick Sund on the other blog;

And just as we predicted….“There are only three teams that have made it to the conference semifinals three consecutive years: L.A., Boston and us.” Rick Sund .

O'Brien

May 27th, 2011
10:27 pm

More from Rick;

He (Teague) just had an opportunity where he got an opportunity for consecutive playing time and he responded well. And that’s what you have to do in this league, when your opportunity comes, take advantage of it. And to his credit, I think most of the time he has had an opportunity. . . . . .

O'Brien

May 27th, 2011
11:17 pm

And what Rick failed to mention is that of the 3 teams, (LA, Boston, and us), LA and Boston made it to multiple NBA finals, and won a championship. Hawks have yet to win 3 games in the second round.

E43

May 28th, 2011
1:28 am

DOC-
LBJ might have walked away from his team but he never really promised them he would remain in Cleveland forever. His only mistake was saying that he wouldn’t rest until he took a title to Cleveland. I wasn’t really surprised when he bailed out on them especially after his actions/reactions after playoff losses. Was it wrong that he left? Yes but only because he promised them a championship and didn’t deliver. To add on to the fire, Cleveland had this vision of Lebron being their full-time slave because he grew up in ohio and they paid the ultimate price. Its like a marriage where they say “till death do us part.” They should change it to “till your of no convenience…”

doc

May 28th, 2011
4:18 am

e43, you might have missed my point. queen mentally and physically quit last year when he saw his team begin to falter in the playoffs after a great regular season. that and walking off the court the year before will stick with me. he had every right to move from cleveland and i applaud that and riles putting the moves on to get him.that is the business of the nba. i just dont respect the hype that went around it because he didnt deserve it. he is a wonderful talent with little class or maturity. he seems to be making amends a bit under riles tutelage and the adversity along with his side kicks who are very talented. it is more about them than him. just the same ill stay in the rose camp as the way to lead.

vava74

May 28th, 2011
5:53 am

joe

May 28th, 2011
6:19 am

the Hawks resign JJ, Marvin and Bibby under the watchful eyes of Sund. So they resign him this off season. Then he has the nerve to say they are “close to moving to the next level” They are a totally inept organization and deserve whatever they get………..

Ray

May 28th, 2011
10:26 am

So everyone read the article about what Sund was saying then?

O'Brien

May 28th, 2011
11:07 am

From the point forward on si.com;

Atlanta fans might rejoice at the notion of the team amnesty-ing its way out of the $107 million it will owe Joe Johnson over the next five seasons. But that’s unrealistic because the amnesty proposal would still require teams to pay the waived player.

Johnson might be overpaid, but he’s still productive, and a team with a recent history of dodging the luxury tax is not going to shell out $107 million just to get Johnson off its cap figure. That leaves Marvin Williams, who is set to make about $25 million over the next three seasons>.

O'Brien

May 28th, 2011
11:43 am

doc,

Hawks have their own leadership issues too, despite 3 captains. And I think if we had one very good leader (even if its on the sidelines), this same team would have better results.

Melvin

May 28th, 2011
12:17 pm

OB,

I suggested several weeks back that if there’s an amnesty rule in the new CBA, then Marvin would be a prime candidate for the Hawks but I was laugh off the blog. Funny that one of the media outlets shares the same view as me…

niremetal

May 28th, 2011
1:22 pm

Melvin,

I don’t remember anyone arguing with the notion that Marvin would be the one the Hawks would let go if there were an amnesty provision. Laughed off the blog? Ooook…

harpie

May 28th, 2011
1:49 pm

With Larry Drew as coach, nothing else matters. The Hawks will be mediocre, at best, as long as he is the “coach”…

O'Brien

May 28th, 2011
1:56 pm

Here is the rest of the article;

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/05/17/who-would-be-waived-under-amnesty-clause/

By proces of elimination, it has to be Marvin. JJ, Josh and Al are too talented to be paid to go away, ZaZa can be a good backup Center at times, and Hinrich is valuable and is expiring.

myrak43

May 28th, 2011
2:39 pm

noone is untouchable from trade on the Hawks. but here is a list of our assets listed in the order of who is most available or more likely to be moved and a brief discription of why.

Marvin Williams- is the first player we would like to move but not for a salary dump. we need a center. Marvin could be had for a center with some upside or a vet center that is a clear upgrade over what we have but may have some injury concerns. ex. Robin Lopez or Kaman.

Zaza- Zaza is our only center we have under contract. but he is best as a back up.however it wouldn’t make any sense unless it is a clear upgrade over Zaza because of how good his contract is. he could be added in a trade with anyone to get us a starting calibre center.

Horford- could be had but it would have to be a true center that would be an instint upgrade. ex Pau Gasol or Bogut.

Josh Smith- he is the heart and soul of the Hawks defense. he is also the most vesatile player we have. and so we would only move Smith for a fringe star center or packaged for a super star type player. ex send Smith packaged with draft picks and horford for a resigned Horward or maybe Smith for Nene.

Teague and Kirk- I included them the same because they are our point guards and we have been trying for 6 years to find one point gaurd. now that it looks like we have two, I feel that the hawks would have to be blown away to move either. it is just to hard to find a good point guard….. for us that is. not sure what or how to value a center coming back to the hawks that these two could bring. but it would have to be a no brainer.

JJ- could be moved but it would have to make sense. he is our best player and with his salary it will be hard to move. that is why I have him listed last. but we are not looking to just dump his salary. we would need some value coming back.

so there you have it people. those are our parts. we need a center.
what you got?

yodaddy

May 28th, 2011
4:23 pm

yall people have the dumbest trade ideas

Josh Smith and Marvin Williams for STEVE BLAKE????? and Andrew Bynum??? WTH are yall smoking on??? Why would the Hawks want Artest???? If you thought Smith was a headcase good luck with Artest.

lmao at that Bucks trade….we will trade our team of winners for a pack of perennial losers yeah right.

Horford + Sy for Rockets 2 HOF Picks, Thabeet & Hill

May 28th, 2011
4:52 pm

@yodaddy

perennial losers?
Last 4 years
Andrew Bogut’s +/- is +4.2. Josh’s is +4.3.
Al Horford’s is 1.4. Hamed Haddaddi’s is 1.4. Brendan Haywood is 1.4.
All Horford does is rebound. For 3 years of college his offensive +/- is 0.1. Guess what Josh Smith’s is. 0.1.

But you have yet to find a way to find a team willing to take back Marvin or gain depth. Marvin Williams and Kirk Hinrich are not perennial winners.
lmao if Smith is traded for a backup center and Hinrich starts for the Hawks at the 2. Then you become the Washington Wizards.

Horford + Sy for Rockets 2 HOF Picks, Thabeet & Hill

May 28th, 2011
5:02 pm

In addition to scouting them I included measurements that suggest similar comparisons and similar physical toolboxes.
D.M. the post play and 15 foot & 3pt shot is present in D.M. only thing he does is like Blake Griffin he has short arms and gives up a bit defensively. I think Clippers are happy with Blake though. He takes jumpers. 7′0 Motiejunas shoots accurately with his height advantage like Garnett.
a perfect glue guy.

Jeff Teague/Joe Johnson/Josh Smith/Donatas Motiejunas*/Hasheem Thabeet
Kirk Hinrich/Travis Leslie*/(Marvin Williams)/Jordan Hill/Zaza Pachulia
:::::
Houston gets

Al Horford
Pape Sy

Atlanta gets

Hasheem Thabeet
Jordan Hill
14th pick
23rd pick
:::
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3to95gw

don’t know what the Rockets game plan is but this team basically turned
>>>Jason Collins into Thabeet.
Al Horford >>>
1) potential Dwyane Wade/Tony Allen with offense off the bench (no talent drop off):o ,
2) potential Zach Randolph (measurements fit here as well), some say small arms are detriment for bigs but its all about proportions.

3) Moved Marvin a guy who has the arms of a center and moves like it to the bench in favor of Josh Smith a guy who has Lebron’s, Carmelo’s and Thaddeus Young’s points per possession efficiency in 2009-2010.

“After after a summer with Olajuwon, both Kobe Bryant and Josh Smith saw a significant dip in their eFG% around the rim this past season. 6-8 Josh Smith (PF) scored less often per possession and less efficiently in the post than many other forwards, including 6-8 LeBron James (SF), 6′10 Lamar Odom (PF), 6′10 Rashard Lewis (PF) and 6′8 Luol Deng (SF) to name a few.

“This doesn’t mean that they’re not learning, however, or that their time with Olajuwon had a negative impact on their post games. In fact, perhaps due to their summer workouts, both Bryant and Smith internalized Olajuwon’s advice and looked to be more active in the post last season. Bryant spent 19.4 percent of his time in the post, an unbelievably high number for a guard, which equaled the amount of time spent in the post by guards Dwyane Wade (6 percent), Brandon Roy (6.3 percent) and Vince Carter (7.1 percent) combined.
Smith worked 18.7 percent of his offense in the post, which was significantly more than the aforementioned forwards James (6.3 percent), Odom (9.4 percent), Lewis (12 percent) and Deng (6.9 percent). Carmelo w Ultimately, it’s quite common for a player to experience a drop in efficiency with a large increase in attempts in a certain area, highlighting what tends to be a negative relationship between frequency and efficiency.” Also at work here may be Smith combating actual bigs like Gasol, Bosh and Garnett.

Ideally at 230-236 he has a higher usage and be able to attack more efficiently and stay out of foul trouble.
:::::
Jeff Teague/Joe Johnson/Josh Smith/Donatas Motiejunas*/Hasheem Thabeet
Kirk Hinrich/Travis Leslie*/(Marvin Williams)/Jordan Hill/Zaza Pachulia

Similar height = similar center of gravity. Similar wingspan often means similar ball control/ability to dunk/shoot over defenders in the post.
Oe a catapult’s trajectory.

There are many different combinations of weight, height, and wingspan, standing reach and vertical as well.
For example

Here are similar

Height Wingspan Weight
Donatas Motiejunas 7′0″ 6′11″ 220 lbs.
Zach Randolph 6′10.25 6′11″ 255
Blake Griffin 6′10″ 6′ 11.25″ 248
Kevin Love 6′ 9.5″ 6′ 11.25″ 255
**Prospectus: 7′0 Boris Diaw/Zach Randolph. why he may fall: nonchalance.

#14 Atlanta Hawks Select: Donatas Motiejunas

Chris Paul 6′ 1″ 6′ 4.25″ 190
Jeff Teague 6′ 1.5″ 6′ 7.5″ 175
Derrick Rose 6′2.5″ 6′ 8″ 196
**Prospectus: skies the limit :D

Jordan Hill 6′10.25 7′1.5″ 232
Amare Stoudemire 6′10 7′ 1.75″ 233
**Prospectus: bootleg Amare, more fluid Al Horford, :D Amare-lite

James Harden 6′ 5.25″ 6′ 10.75″ 222
Dwyane Wade 6′ 4.75″ 6′ 10.75″ 222
Travis Leslie 6′ 4.25″ 6′ 10.5″ 205
Tony Allen 6′ 4.25″ 6′ 9″ 214
#23 Atlanta Hawks Select: Travis Leslie
**Prospectus: low center of gravity, explosive slasher, defend
///////////////

Jeff Teague/Joe Johnson/Josh Smith/Donatas Motiejunas*/Hasheem Thabeet
Kirk Hinrich/Travis Leslie*/(Marvin Williams)/Jordan Hill/Zaza Pachulia

model: 07-08 Celtics/’10-’11 Mavericks

mark

May 28th, 2011
10:01 pm

they need to trade williams not josh smith and get butler and free anegy

Ray

May 28th, 2011
11:40 pm

vava74

May 29th, 2011
4:57 am

Thabbet? Good grief!!! Are trying to get us in the lottery?

If we coukd get Jordan Hill as an energy/hustle guy off the bench i would all for it.

An instant contributor IMO.

Big Ray

May 29th, 2011
11:14 am

Nothing would please me more than the look of chagrin on David Stern’s face as he has to hand the golden Larry O’Brien to Mark Cuban.

Go Dallas.

Big Ray

May 29th, 2011
11:24 am

Vava ,

Agreed. I want no parts of Hasheem “I’m more dense than a bag of hammers” Thabeet.

Meanwhile ,

Rick Sund looks to be halfway tripped up during his usual spin doctoring. Our boy MC seems to have ticked him off. Check the latest blog out….

Ken Strickland

May 29th, 2011
2:30 pm

JSmith wouldn’t be a good compliment to DHoward. If you think Josh shoots too many long range jumpers now, what do you think his options would be with Howard clogging up the lane. Horford, because of his very accurate midrange shooting ability, would be a far better compliment for Howard. With Howard and Smith on our frontline, can you imagine the constant whinning and complaining we’d see from these 2 players?

It’s funny how some of you want the Hawks to get rid of MWilliams at all cost, yet you go all out suggesting we sign a total bust like Hasheem Thabeet. WHERE’S THE LOGIC? There are those who are absessed with thinking we absolutely must have a taller, bigger presence in the middle.

And you seem to think all the Hawks need to do is tell a team that has what we want that they have to trade that center to us, and they would have no option but to accept any player(s) we want to get rid of. Some of you also think DEF is all about blocking shots and making steals, nothing more.

The Denver Nuggets got rid of NBA shot blocking leader, and DEF POY, MCamby, replaced him with Nene, his backup, and almost instantly became a much better team defensively. OF course, the reason Camby blocked so many shots was due to a pourous perimeter DEF, led by PG AIverson. We also saw Denver get better defensively after trading CAnthony, another DEF liability.

I think Sund would have been better off comparing the Hawks situation with that of the Nuggets. Getting rid of Bibby and Jamal, and replacing them with Teague and Hinrich, will definitely improve our perimeter DEF, and DEF overall. Teague should give us the scoring we got from Bibby his 1st yr and a half here, and the speed, quickness, penetrating ability and DEF we never came close to getting.

Hinrich is quicker and faster than JJ, and a better perimeter defender. A backcourt comprised of these 2 will make it a lot harder for players to get in the lane, run their OFF smoothly, and make entry passes into the post. Teague is on a par with LeBron and DWade when it comes to successfully running down and challenging fast breaks.

While most of you are obsessing over us acquiring a type of center that’s realistically all but unattainable for us, I’m very excited about the prospect of seeing the positive impact Teague and Hinrich will have on this team. We saw in the playoffs with Chicago what an impact a quick, fast, athletic, penetrating PG can have on an offensively challenged team.

Astro Joe

May 29th, 2011
3:56 pm

Melvin, I don’t recall anyone disagreeing with you that Marvin would be the primary target. I know that I stated that I didn’t think (and still don’t) that the ASG will do it. Maybe the “laughing” happened on the other blog.

Sund said what he should have said. He’s repeating the team’s successes during his tenure. He’s selling season-tickets to prospective fans… including those who attended the playoffs. Would anyone feel better if he said something that would lower the trade value of his players?

niremetal

May 29th, 2011
3:58 pm

Ray,

I loved how in the interview, 5 of Sund’s responses started with “I don’t know.” :lol:

It’s pretty clear the dude doesn’t like talking to the media. That’s fine as long as he’s talking to other GMs.

Black Superman

May 29th, 2011
7:08 pm

They never should have fired woody… I say this: Get rid of Marvin Williams, Joe Johnson, and any other scrubs this current Hawks administration attracts. We need to get bigger… trade said people for draft picks, maybe even get new scouts… The answer is to get rid of all the jump shooters, get bigger, tougher defensively. My list of all the guys who need to stay: Horford, Smith, Teague, Pachulia, Collins, Hinrich. Who needs to go: MARVIN EFFING WILLIAMS (this guy has set the franchise back about 10 years- what were they thinking when they drafted him… 2nd overall pick), Joe Johnson, and all the others. The problem lies also in ownership… they make too conservative of moves, then get just marginal/complimentary players… I am convinced that the Atlanta sports teams are concerned about just making $$$ and not putting a quality team out there for the fans (been watching the Hawks since the ‘Atlanta’s Air Force’ days) and that’s not right! The owner, all the way down to the popcorn guy should give their all to make this thing work. Overall, the Hawks are a quality team… we just need consistent, competent leadership who makes good decisions, who knows how to get the best out of the players they have to work with.

Astro Joe

May 29th, 2011
10:27 pm

I understand why the Pistons would fire Kuester, what I don’t understand is what he did so poorly in the past 6 weeks that he deserves to be fired NOW. Or said differently, what did he do so well after yet another awful season ended in April, that he deserved to keep his office until the end of May? I suspect that Woody will get a legit shot at the Detroit gig if it becomes available.

Big Ray

May 30th, 2011
6:42 am

AJ ,

That move reeks of indecision or procrastination. Both bad traits in a GM.

Niremetal ,

Good point. I wonder if it’s just about not wanting to talk to the media? The next blog will bring up that point…

O'Brien

May 30th, 2011
7:26 am

AJ, Big Ray,

What I dont understand is how Joe Dumars still has a job. I understand that he is a HOF Piston, and did help bring them the ‘05 championship and they made 5 consecutive trips to the ECF.

However, how long can he last on “credit”. In the summer before the big name FA would become available, he used up all his cap space on Ben Gordon, and Charlie Villanueva. He also drafted Darko over some other all-stars. And not only has his recent coaching hires not worked out, but there has been player rebellions, and bad timing of moves.

Speaking of Ben Gordon though, how awesome would he have been off the bench for this Bulls team?