Hawks Fans: Game 6 and Teague’s ascension

Tonight’s game in Atlanta should be a good one as the Atlanta Hawks look to stave off a third straight 2nd round playoff elimination. Atlanta will have the fans on their side this time (at least for the most part) and that is never a bad thing.

What’s great about this series is the fact that the Hawks are showing that they can win, that they are good enough. What they have a chance to show tonight is that they will do what they’re capable of. They need another performance like game 4, only better. Every player has to play his role to the hilt to beat this Chicago team. Atlanta is capable, and they know it. They also know what makes them lose games, and Chicago knows it too. That is the part that gives Hawks fans the most hope and the most consternation at the same time – the fact that this team really does have what it takes to win the series. They just have to execute.

The Plans of Attack

- We already know that Joe and Jamal need to have good games for the Hawks to have a chance at winning game 6. The Bulls know this as well, and will look to force the issue by harassing both guys, and settling for one of them having a bad game. It worked in fine fashion for Chicago in game 5, as we saw. The Bulls have a chance at closing out this series if they can keep one of the Hawks’ two dynamic scoring guards from doing what they do best.

What do YOU think? Can the Hawks win on the strength of good performances by Joe and Jamal?  

- Another ploy involves frustrating Al Horford and trying to temper his aggression by staying all over him and making him uncomfortable. Horford has to know this is what’s going on, and he combated that fairly well in game 4. However, game 5 yielded similar results to his other games. Horford did not make as many plays (3 assists) as he did mistakes (4 turnovers) and stayed off balance with 5 personal fouls. Let’s keep this nice and simple. Horford needs to score in the teens to help his team, and keep his rebounds at the level they are at. A handful of assists always helps, but being a scoring promise (as opposed to just being a threat) helps more. What’s the difference between a promise and a threat? A threat is a guy that is defended and stays defended/contained. A promise is a guy who scores and forces the defense to react to him, which gives him a chance to make plays with the ball as well.

What do YOU think? Have a different idea on how Horford can best help the Hawks win?

- The final strategy isn’t an active strategy, it’s a passive one. The Bulls really have no particular answer for Josh Smith, as they saw in game 4. They have trouble defending him in transition, and anybody who draws the assignment of guarding him in the post is either too slow or not strong enough, and nobody can match his athletic ability. Even if he doesn’t always cash in at the free throw line, fouls are fouls and can limit a key player’s minutes at the worst of times. So How does Chicago defend Smith? The only truly effective way is to push him out to the perimeter, or lay off of him when he wanders out there on his own. Josh around the arc isn’t nearly as deadly as Josh near the basket. His athletic ability (translation: quickest and highest leaper on the court) is null and void 18 or 20 feet from the basket where anyone weighing more than 100 pounds will also be able to box him out from rebounds.

The simple fact is this – if Noah can more or less nullify Horford, and the Chicago defense can contain Johnson and Crawford (or just one of them), it just about all falls to Josh Smith. If he plays into Chicago’s hands, it could very well be over.

What do YOU think? Is Josh Smith the key to a Hawks victory in game 6 (or the series overall), or will somebody else step up?

SIDE NOTE: Do not underestimate the importance of the “first strike” concept. Both teams know that they stand a better chance of winning if they strike first, and strike hardest. Chicago learned the hard way that Atlanta has enough scoring firepower to ride a lead and make you work from behind, then blistering you with jumpers in the 4th quarter (provided they are falling). The Bulls know they can’t win that way, as they don’t have enough offensive firepower to make more than one or two strong offensive runs, so they take a different path, one which suits them best. They’ll look to gain a first quarter lead as well, then use their defense to keep their heads above water and ride the game out. In games 1 and 4, the Hawks strategy prevailed. In games 2,  3, and especially 5, the Bulls strategy won out. Game 6 may very well be about which team is able to execute their base strategy the best.

The Jeff Teague Argument

It seems we just can’t enjoy the emergence of our 2nd year point guard without arguing about how it all happened. But hey, this is a blog, so why not? Here are some thoughts and questions related to the latest jousting match:

1) How much credit does coaching get here? Some of the comments all year long were entirely not in Larry Drew’s favor. He’s been hammered for everything from who he plays, his substitution patterns, and his ability to hold players accountable for their actions. The problem with crediting Drew or anybody else with Teague’s “sudden” emergence is that if coaching is all it took to mold him into the player he is now, then what took so long? If Teague wasn’t ready to shoulder more responsibility, as many said he wasn’t during the season, then wasn’t that a coaching problem? It can’t be had both ways. If coaching is the answer, then coaching was also the problem. It’s either that, or you have to also give credit to Teague himself for receiving the coaching that he was given, and doing the right things with that instruction.

2) Would we get to see this from Jeff Teague if Kirk Hinrich was healthy enough to play against Chicago? Now there is an uncomfortable thought, probably moreso for some than for others. Hinrich was named the starter and Teague barely sniffed the floor against Orlando. Matchups could have something to do with it, but something tells me that Teague would have received similar treatment against Chicago if Hinrich was healthy. In this series, we are seeing two things that were often used as arguing points during the regular season – not only are we winning with Teague, we’re NOT LOSING because of him. I’d need a calculator to add up the number of times that people said we should not sacrifice wins for a single player’s development.

3) What does Teague’s current production prove? I would say that it proves that Teague maybe should have gotten more playing time during the regular season. Not for the sake of “development”, but for the sake of experience. Him playing more in some games may have meant more wins. Then again, maybe not. But at this point, can’t it be a hindsight possibility if nothing else? It may also have meant more confidence for Larry Drew, who has been limited at times when it comes to lineups. If Teague had played more, he would have more experience in dealing with different point guard types (strong vs. fast, physical vs. finesse, etc).

It also proves that Teague can play against arguably the best point guard in the League. Can he consistently beat him one-on-one? No. Rose is the best, and his MVP trophy shows that. But Teague can score on him and bother him on the other end. You can’t hope for more than that. On the other hand, this is also a sobering thought. Who else can Teague play well against? We don’t know. What happens when he is matched up against a different type of player? We don’t know. What we do know now, is that Jeff can truly compete for and earn the job as starting point guard. And knowing this, if he earns it (and there’s little reason to think he can’t or won’t), then there should be no question of his status, regardless of different matchups from night to night. No such thing as a part-time starter. Either you’re a starter, or you’re a bench guy who sometimes starts, as necessary. There should be no limbo next season, the Hawks have suffered through this long enough.

Have a different thought? Feel like it doesn’t matter how Teague got where he is, so long as he’s here now? More worried about some other element of the team’s performance? Sound off!

By the way, if you want to see a truly excellent (and revealing) article on the Larry Drew/Jeff Teague subject, then check this out.  The AJC’s Michael Cunningham is The Man….

Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest Blog

140 comments Add your comment

Rusty

May 12th, 2011
1:36 am

JT is on the way up & kh is on the way down. Jt has more speed & natural ability than kh has ever had. Only ld would deny this. Jt a fast penetrating good defensive player is what the hawks have desperitely have needed for a long time, we need to take the ball out of the hands of iso players

Hawk Str8Talk

May 12th, 2011
2:03 am

This whole earning the position thing was bogus from the beginning. There are times when you say – I’m going to start the guy with the highest ceiling in anticipation of what he can do with the experience. This was one of those times..LD should have been smart enough to say – if we REALLY want to win come postseason – I’ve got to get Jeff Teague time and the upside is that he plays defense better than any perimeter player on my team, so if the offense sucks – I have that to fall back on with this kid. Who knows if he’d be BETTER than he’s been this series if he had time running the team? That’s why I repeat – he is the starting point guard now and in the future OR I’m going to go down to the Centennial Tower (ASG’s office building) and shut that mug down. I don’t care what they think about Hinrich – he’s not going to be better, so you might as well prepare to trade Hinrich for an asset that we can use. Hinrich was better than John Wall to start the season, but the Wizards aren’t stupid enough to retard Wall’s growth by starting Hinrich…

Miles D

May 12th, 2011
2:47 am

Right on the head Rusty!!! Hopefully with the emergence of Teague LD will challenge himself to become more creative with our offensive sets and attack different areas on the court via using SOUND personel decisions with size matchup etc! He needs to NEVER let JC play point and let him STRICTLY come in for JJ or if he decides to play them at the same time, move JJ to SF, which I believe he is more now because teams he does better in the post and can rebound! JC does alot better in space than JJ! And we’d do alot better if we started playing inside out thru our bigs and not our guards while using some double back door screens to keep the defense off balance more!

Ed

May 12th, 2011
2:54 am

Ray you’re like a fine winel…you just keep getting better with age. Teague is making LD a better coach and it is a shame he wasn’t given serious minutes during the regular season. If the Hawks do win this series and Hinrich is able to play against the Heat, it is crucial that LD makes Teague aware that he is his man. JT is playing with so much confidence and any missteps by Drew could shatter it.

bjrufino

May 12th, 2011
3:38 am

Buddy Grizzard

May 12th, 2011
7:14 am

“What do YOU think? Can the Hawks win on the strength of good performances by Joe and Jamal?”

Well, it certainly wouldn’t hurt if they showed up. But I think Las Vegas Larry should play Zaza more. He has the highest +/- of any Hawk in the series. He sat the 4th quarter of Game 5 while JC1 played the entire quarter and contributed nothing.

I’d also like to see Damien get some minutes guarding Deng. CHI has limited offensive options and if you slow down their second leading scorer it might change the game.

E43

May 12th, 2011
7:15 am

I’m not going to comment on the Jeff Teague issue… Not now at least. My focus is on game 6. I’m not worried about the regulars. I just think that Powell and Damien can have plays drawn that can get this team a few points while some guys go through coaching sessions on the bench. Now more than ever the hawks just might have to send absolutely everything they’ve got at the bulls. The bulls can put most of our players under the microscope but not all of them. Hopefully LD can draw one or two successful plays for our reserves to get the edge of the game.

Hawks in 7… Go hawks…

Willie Coyote

May 12th, 2011
7:39 am

This is the best PG play we’ve had in two years. When others weren’t hitting shots, Jeff tries to score to make up the difference. When someone is going well, he gets them the ball early. He made an excellent pass to Zaza (who has been huge for us in these playoffs) on a pick & roll where Zaza dove to the basket and Teague left the pass for him & he dunked it, IN TRAFFIC. If he can set Zaza up for a poster opportunity…I’m just sayin’.

I’d like to see a little more pick-n-roll with him and Josh/Al so they can finish at the rim, Too bad both of those guys tend to favor the pick-n-pop (which is still a good shot for Al).

Josh, stay on the block. You’re dunking on these guys at will. Keep it up because that is one of our best scoring opportunities and it will get their bigs in foul trouble & leave Rose with no options for producing points but himself.

We need Rose having to beat us by himself. Dwight couldn’t do it and neither can he.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
8:07 am

Rusty ,

I think Hinrich was a ‘tweener guard who was always able to hold his own at two different guard positions. As such, I would not compare his natural ability to Teague’s, especially if both were in their prime. Remember, Hinrich came into the League after leaving college as the nation’s top guard. He was also drafted a good bit higher. I would never ask Teague to play both guard spots, and I can tell you right now that his jumper isn’t what Hinrich’s ever was.

Having said that, you’re absolutely right – Hinrich is on his way down, Teague on his way up. What Hinrich gives us is pretty dang good pinch hitter. He can start if you need him to. At either position. But he’s also just fine and dandy coming off the bench. Best of all, he provides an excellent work ethic example for a young pg. Bibby never was that for us….

Willie Coyote ,

Good points. I hope Josh listens to you. Teague never struck me as selfish, and that’s something when you consider that he played for a college team that needed him to score more than anything else.

BirdFan in Chi

May 12th, 2011
8:16 am

If there’s any ATL fans living/visiting Chicago today, you gotta join us at Kelsey’s on Lincoln Avenue. That’s the Falcons bar in Chicago, and it’s a fun group of ATLiens to watch with!

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
8:18 am

E43 ,

I’ve become very much disenchanged with Powell. Not to mention, he will get outworked and outmuscled easily by the Bulls. Damien is another story. Aside from a missed dunk, I know he can provide a bit of scoring punch (not a go-to guy, though) and some very tough defense and physical play. If I’m putting a bench big in the game, it’s Etan, not Powell.

But that’s just me.

HawksStr8talk ,

You make some solid points about Teague, but let’s consider a few things.

1) I truly think LD fell victim to the fatal attraction thing – he’s a sucker for experience and a good-looking jumper. To this day I’m TOTALLY convinced that if Teague had a more reliable jumper (and a better-looking one), he would have played more. Seriously. And it doesn’t help when your one shot (the floater) gets blocked about half the time you try it.

2) I think the whole Kirk Hinrich issue keeps getting blown out of proportion, and comparing what happened with Hinrich in Chicago or Washington with his situation here is ridiculous. Let me start by saying firs that both aforementioned teams drafted not only the best point guards in the draft, they both drafted the NUMBER ONE GUY in the draft. So OF COURSE you’re not going to start Hinrich over them. Teague was the SEVENTH point guard taken in his draft. I really hate that comparison.

Hinrich gets ridden hard for who he isn’t, and people don’t seem to recognize him for who he is. Just ask John Wall how much he learned from Hinrich. He’ll tell you. At least now LD knows what Teague can do, and so does everybody else. I agree, there are no excuses now, and returning Hinrich to the starting lineup for anything short of an injury or mental breakdown for Teague is madness.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
8:19 am

Ed ,

I sure appreciate the kudos, man. Now if only I can convince my wife of this “aging like a fine wine” thing whenever I get into my 40s or 50s. Something tells me I’ll get a sardonic reply…

IceColdATlien

May 12th, 2011
8:20 am

Big Ray, hasn’t the Teague issue already worked itself out? I’m more confused by the contradiction between Drew whining about our slow starts (a timeout 46 seconds into a home playoff game?) but refusing to start Zaza because of the energy he brings off the bench.

Can’t we just about guarantee a spirited, energetic start by the Hawks simply by starting Zaza? We keep the size of the “Big” lineup while also addressing the lethargic starts that have become far too common with this squad.

IceColdATlien

May 12th, 2011
8:21 am

Plus I’d love to see Zaza and Boozer throw down so Carlos is exposed for the wannabe-bully is really is!!!

O'Brien

May 12th, 2011
8:39 am

Teague was inconsistent, and passive at times. But I find it hard to believe that a passive and inconsistent Jeff Teague would have been a whole lot less effective than a struggling, aging, missing shots Mike Bibby (and even Jamal struggled at backup PG).

And didnt most of our double digit losses happen with Bibby? I’m not blaming Mike, but my point is PG play was not the sole reason we won or lost those games. And when the team was struggling coming out of the gate, and LD would talk for days about changing the lineup, it never crossed his mind to try Jeff with the starters?

I just hate the fact that we gave up 2 first round picks, and picked up an additional $2 mil in salary because we didnt know what Teague’s capabilities were.

wordsmithtom

May 12th, 2011
8:43 am

Big Ray,
Echo your 8:07 am post!

So, why no Zaza in Q4 after being leading scorer in 1st and Josh/Al nursing foul trouble? SMH

Teague: I said before the series “Boys to Men” Well, JT manned up! Props to young man. And for the character he’s shown, not publicly complaining about his situation. Good leadership skills.

O'Brien

May 12th, 2011
8:43 am

As for tonight’s game, Josh’s shot selection is key. Why? There have been numerous occasions when a bad shot by Josh leads to a fast break by the Bulls, which leads to easy points for them, or one of our guys picking up fouls. And if Josh is in the post, that gives our guards another pass option.

However, Al needs to show up too. This would be a good time for Al to have a 15 pts, 15 rebs game, because the Bulls will put a lot of defensive pressure on Jamal and JJ.

wordsmithtom

May 12th, 2011
8:44 am

Big Ray,
Is that champaign or Champipple? Red Foxx!

Rusty

May 12th, 2011
9:11 am

I have no mind to ever really forgive ld for his stubborn dumb decisions on jt & jc2. My real problem is how to get the job he lied & stuck a knife in woody’s back & really did nothing to change things. He doesn’t really control the players,make horrible decisions & the team without jt shows the same iso offense that they ran under woody.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2011
9:15 am

It would be nice if someone other than the usual finishers in this series (Al, Josh, Joe, Jamal and Jeff) steps up and gives us 18-20 minutes of very good production. I’d really like to see that come from #24, but I’ll take it from whomever. While I do believe that the fans can provide some energy to the team at the end, I would really like for the bench to play well enough that LD doesn’t have to play all of his finishers for the entire 4th quarter. Too bad we don’t have a 3rd PG to give these guys a blow… but I’m sure Pape Sy will be well worth the roster spot.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2011
9:26 am

HawksStr8talk, and the Wizards’ record this season was? Hard to compare the development plan of the #1 pick in the draft to someone chosen outside of the top 15. I mean seriously, should the team with the #18 pick in the June draft “guarantee” that player time despite of who is playing in front of him (or inspite of how ready he is to actually contribute)? I don’t think non-lottery picks get that kind of guarantee… heck, Evan Turner didn’t get that and he was a top 3 pick.

mutumbo

May 12th, 2011
9:33 am

We should have played Teague more last year. If we had, we might still have our first rounder and JC2. I love to think of next year with Teague running the show and Hinrich backing him up, should be fun, love Hinrich as a bench player. It sucks about Marvin, to have regressed as much as he has since that contract year. I know we could use the Marvin of old, 2 years ago, where the hell did he go? Joe, time to step it up, get the damn ball out of your hands sometimes. I LOVE your floater in the lane, but man, sometimes you and Jamal stagnate everything with the ISO. Please have Al be more agressive against Noah, drive the ball and get him into foul trouble.

NagoyaHawk

May 12th, 2011
9:39 am

“Jeff Teague argument: How much credit does coaching get here?”

Give me a break. I watched enough games this year with Teague to see him get pulled cause of a lousy mistake. Even saw him get benched after many great games. DNPs. The interviews with LD etc etc. LD was clueless when it came to Teague. Why else trade for another point guard, or whatever Kirk is. LD should man up and admit he should’ve played Teague sooner. If it weren’t for the injury, the guy would be riding the bench watching Marvin slip, JC turnover the ball, etc.

NagoyaHawk

May 12th, 2011
9:49 am

“What do YOU think? Is Josh Smith the key to a Hawks victory in game 6 (or the series overall), or will somebody else step up?”

Yes, the Atlanta Hawks have always been Josh’s team. The Hawks go as #5 goes. Too bad the guy is clueless, just like LD but in a different way. Don’t get me wrong, I love Josh Smith. He is the reason I wanted to watch the Hawks when they were winning only 13 games a year. I also wondered back then, as I still do now, why the Hawks aren’t a better team. With their lackadaisical play, the Hawks are considered weak on talent by much of the league and most of the fans. Yes, energy is talent if you ask me.

Raw talent though is just potential energy. It’s energy not in motion. It needs to be kick-started & once it is you call it kinetic energy. Most of the league and nearly all of the fans look at talent as kinetic energy. If it isn’t in motion, it isn’t there. That explains about half of the Hawks games and that also explains about half the play of #5. The one hope, and it is my one and only hope when it comes to Josh Smith, is that he is just too young to know better. And now that he’s turning 26 this year, life begins to count. Have you guys every heard that whatever happens before you’re 25 doesn’t matter? That’s kind of how we think till we’re 25. Then strange things start to happen and life does start to matter. Our talents begin to wane and #5 is gonna be 26 in December. I look for him to start using his head more to control his heart & then look out. The one hope I have is that game 4 did it. Maybe kinetic energy kicked in and we’ll win this game tonight, go to Chicago and kick red bull, and silence everybody. My hope, my dream.

niremetal

May 12th, 2011
9:50 am

Wow Rusty, tell us how you really feel.

NagoyaHawk

May 12th, 2011
9:52 am

Anyway, I love your write-ups. I wish we had more articles covering the Hawks, cause when I google us I keep getting Chicago articles. Thanks for your hard work BigRay.

clancy

May 12th, 2011
10:00 am

Big Ray, thanks for separating support for JT from criticism of Kirk. I’ve always thought JT at a minimum should get the backup PG minutes (for the team, but also deserved), and would have liked to see some more minutes of the two on the court together. But what Kirk has and can contribute to the team too often gets totally lost in the whole JT thing. I seriously detest that this has been turned into a PG vs. PG issue when both of them have been major contributors in the playoffs. They are different players with different strengths who can fill different roles on the team.

I think a lot of people here were so busy being angry that JT wasn’t getting PT (something Kirk does not control – nor did he have any say about being here in the first place) that they haven’t been objective about Kirk – he’s just the guy in the way to them. It’s possible – or it should be – to love JT and still appreciate what Kirk has contributed.

O'Brien

May 12th, 2011
10:16 am

AJ,

It would be awesome if Marvin can knock down a couple early shots, or even grab a couple key rebounds. But after 5 games, I have given up on him (although on the flip side, maybe he is due for a breakout).

And I agree about fatigue. In the last game, 4 of the 5 starters played 39 minutes and up, and with games being every other day, they must be tired.

From the previous blog;

JJ has been very complimentary to Teague, and was even in his ear over the offseason, so I dont think he has a problem with Teague and his success. Like AJ said, I think JJ gets frustrated at the team (and maybe even the coach and his offense at times).

Rusty

May 12th, 2011
10:23 am

I have nothing against kh. I just feel that in this league you need a fast dynamic pg who is capable of breaking down defenses, I don’t believe at this time in his career kh is capable of doing this.I also feel that his defensive play is on the same level as jt. His jumpshot might be a little better but this is not what this team really needs.

Rusty

May 12th, 2011
10:23 am

Defense is not on the level of jt’s

Rusty

May 12th, 2011
10:32 am

I might notnbe crazy at jj’s iso style of play because I don’t think we can win anything with that style. Nothing against Joe ,he just not that great, but he has to justify that huge salery which puts more pressure on him than he can handle.

Melvin

May 12th, 2011
10:43 am

Great stuff again Big Ray.

I think in order for the Hawks to win this series, they are going to need high scoring from Jamal/Joe (40-45pts) with Josh/Al doing some dirty work (rebs/box outs) in the paint and Teague/ZaZa adding timely baskets and Collins clogging the paint for 10-15 mins.

As for Teague, I think MC written a great blog covering his surge. However, one thing I didn’t see in MC article as a possible contributing factor was coaching. This was one of the things mention in our own debates as a factor to Teague current play. I think LD is just as stubborn when it comes to the Teague playing time subject as Josh is when it comes to taking jumpers. Neither guy wants to admit that they could be wrong with their approach to those areas.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
11:21 am

IMO, I think Thibs already made the adjustment which will win the series for CHI, maybe even tonight:

Limit Korver’s minutes and use Brewer’s hustle instead.

Hustle has been the #1 factor ON ALL WINS in this series and CHI was not getting hustle nor made shots out of Korver (minus 1 game), so Thibs is going with the hustle which Brewer brings.

Conversely, LD failed to understand that same concept and kept on the floor Jamal for far too long in game 5 when he was neither producing on offense, nor bringing any hustle (which I hardly does even on his good nights).

SO:

If Jamal is struggling, IMO it is vital that LD brings “our Brewer” into play and gives some minutes to Damien.

He rebounds, steals, runs, shows his hands and tries his best all the time and in the playoffs that is very important, in particular against a Thibs team and when we are not getting it done with our finesse game.

Whoever brings more hustle tonight, wins the game.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2011
11:25 am

Melvin, I thought that MC’s article said pretty clearly that LD was holding him to a high standard before granting him a starting role. I think that is part of coaching, saying that in order to get A you have to give me B. Surely you saw him struggle to finish around the rim earlier this season…. how did he get beter with his floaters and shots in the paint? You all watched this kid play, are y’all saying that you can;t see a difference between now and then?

jlewis

May 12th, 2011
11:37 am

Big Ray:

Question for you. I will begin by saying I think LD is not that great an offensive coach. Question is, do you think LD’s offensive philosophy is not right for the team? It seems he gave Josh more offensive freedom and JJ and Jamal less. Everyone thinks ball movement is the key to winning games, it can be if you have 3 great offensive players, which the Hawks do not. Teams know all the plays, heart and hustle and getting your best offensive player open is what wins, I just think LD’s offensive is terrible for this team. I hate to agree with Barkley, but this team should have an offense like the suns or knicks.

doc

May 12th, 2011
11:40 am

aging as a fine wine or not is not what it is made out to be big ray.

good stuff guy.

i said enough about this on the other blog and didnt see this until late this am but i hope LD can come out and say he missed a few things as a rookie coach and handling teague was one of them. there are two ways to beat out a guy, i practice which is fine but unrealistic on a team like the “good guy” hawks or by giving a guy enough rope so all can see the promise and then letting him have the keys to the car.

clancy

May 12th, 2011
11:45 am

I agree, Astro Joe. JT doing what he is now does not mean he could have done the same earlier in the season. I have no issue with LD not handing him the starting job, and it’s impossible to know if his development would have been the same. Could have been better, could have been worse, we just can’t know. I don’t mind coaches making a young kid earn a prominent role on the team, especially a team that is contending now vs. rebuilding.

I still would have played JT all the backup minutes at PG – to my mind he had clearly earned that role over Jamal. But at this point, I’m ready to put it behind me. JT has a long career in front of him, and the Hawks have been successful in the playoffs with how the PG stuff played out. Fans are too quick to hold a grudge over the past.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2011
11:54 am

doc, the key to your last post… “so all can see”. I think that remains the primary objection,… that all did not see. I honestly believe that if Pape Sy could be developed to contribute by game 40 next season and Rolle the same (by gmae 25), but would were developed in full view while the others behind the scene, bloggers would object to the behind the scenes method.

No one wants to acknowledge the glaring weaknesses from earlier this season…. we just want to act like with more playing time, his offensive ineffectiveness would have magically disappeared, that having his shots swatted at the rim would not have further hurt his confidence nor demoralized the team. We seem to want to believe that a player is faultless in his duties to prepare and execute (despite examples on this very team to the contrary). I honestly believe that some feel robbed of watching his development, of enjoying a compelling storyline develop over the course of an otherwise disappointing regular season. No one wants to acknowledge that maybe, this was the right path.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
12:02 pm

jlewis,

This team won in the playoffs playing smart and stingy D, copped with some substantial shooting from Jamal and JJ.

Free wheeling offense like the Knicks and the Suns past offense won’t take you far.

The Suns’ success was only possible because they had an MVP point guard playing lights out and a roster which had JJ (our first option) as the 4th or 5th option on offense.

It’s a shame that they ran into a very very good Spurs team who benefited from a very very dirty, but effective, player like Bowen.

Rufus1

May 12th, 2011
12:05 pm

LD IS EMBARRASSED AND HE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

BIBBY WAS STARTING OVER TEAGUE, YOU CAN’T JUSTIFY THAT AND THE TRADE FOR JC2.

He promisewd to develop Teague in order to get the job and turned into a “PUMPKIN LIAR” at midnight.

The only reason Teague is playing because he had NO CHOICE!!!… That is great coaching to have your best playoff performer has been riding the bench all season.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2011
12:30 pm

Rufus1, why is he playing well now? Are you saying that he played this well in short stints earlier this year?

Rufus1

May 12th, 2011
12:40 pm

Astro-

Yes, I am. If you put together a montage of the Games he played 20min a night, I would say 80% were played this well.

Even if he wasn’t, Bibby was terrible 80% of the time and Jamal could’t guard anyone.

doc

May 12th, 2011
1:03 pm

astro the problem with you rpath idea? it took devine intervention to get him the play time he needed and maybe deserved, didnt it? hinrich injury is what has maybe changed the course of the series and maybe the franchise. otherwise the powers that be would have sat there and not changed the critique is my guess the last week. it is certainly as good a guess as to the theory of yours he wasnt ready. no one will know as he really never got a role and that is the issue. why not?

O'Brien

May 12th, 2011
1:06 pm

AJ,

If Teague played like this earlier in the season, he would have earned the starting spot a long time ago.

Based on MC’s blog and Teague’s comments, he played better when he knew he was getting steady minutes, although that doesnt make it right.

His biggest issues (imo) was playng well off the bench, in 5-7 minute stints. ZaZa has the same issue too..playing much better when he gets extended minutes. And in those 5 minute stints, LD would pull Teague very quickly after making a mistake. I think that affected his confidence too.

When he started games for us, although he didnt look this good, he still looked decent enough (imo) to deserve steady PT.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2011
1:23 pm

He never had this level of offensive consistency. And I don;t know how a guy gains confidence when he conmstantly gets his shot blokcked. When you dissect where he was weak before and where he has improved, I simply can’t see how PT would have been enough.

doc, it may have taken to next season to see this. That’s true. But I also think LD would have thrown the kitchen sink at Rose and that would have meant time for Teague.

Rufus1, all I remember was less than 40% shooting in the 4-5 games after the Bibby trade… and a ton of swatted lay-up attempts. An sporadic levels of aggression. That’s what I recalled from his short stints.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2011
1:32 pm

I’ll add this as well (for all of you with short memories). Haven’t the Hawks looked much better in the post-season? Other than Game 3, haven’t they mostly played with a goodly amount of energy and effort? Haven’t we thought during these series “wow, they look much better than I expected”. Not individually but as a collective unit? Any chance whatsoever that the same waning effort that plagued this team in the regular season also plagued young Teague? Is it possible that the same “wake-up call” that has propelled this team to unprecedented success has also aided young Teague and his focus? Use you poor memeories and think about the Magic series that mostly didn’t include Teague… the Hawks appear to be a “different creature” in the playoffs.

IceColdATlien

May 12th, 2011
2:01 pm

Who cares about the “who-said-what-when-about-Teague” when it’s settled? The dude is straight baller and he’ll challenge Kirk for the starting position next year like he should have Bibby this year. On to more important conundrums:

Why wouldn’t Drew start Zaza tonight? He’s always complaining (rightfully so… i mean, a timeout 46 seconds into a home playoff game?) that the team starts out slow and lethargic too often. However, Drew says he likes the energy Za brings off the bench. How about we bring that energy into the game immediately by starting Zaza? Especially in a do-or-die game, it’s time for Larry to make one more series-winning adjustment…

START ZAZA TONIGHT!!!!

doc

May 12th, 2011
2:31 pm

aj it is fortuitous we dont have to wait and the gods of basketball maybe shined down on us in this case, or not. heh heh debate will continue.

i think he will be a better player with this exposure and would have been sooner. can you imagine another summer of doubt about him for him and the fans as well as the askg? puhlease.

Dept. of Unintended Irony

May 12th, 2011
2:42 pm

“I’ve become very much disenchanged with Powell.”

Disenchange you can believe in?

Dang, that g is just too close to that t, eh Big Ray? Maybe you need smaller fingers.

IceColdATlien

May 12th, 2011
2:49 pm

@Dept…

Typical of bureaucratic humor… dry, boring, and plain unfunny

IceColdATlien

May 12th, 2011
2:50 pm

START ZAZA!!!!!!!

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2011
2:55 pm

doc, I’ve been waiting for someone to suggest that Acie could have done this if he had been provided the opportunity. After all, all any of these guys need is playing time and they could all be good NBA players.

IceColdATlien

May 12th, 2011
3:08 pm

You’re right Astro, just about every 1st round pick gets a chance for playing time… especially at a position of great need for a given team.

Teague may have just not been ready until now. Don’t forget that Rondo made his name in the playoffs after a year or two of frustrating performances.

At this point, it’s almost mundane to keep arguing about the “what if’s” of having played Teague earlier. He’s taken his chance and run with it, so let’s all just agree that he’s here to stay.

Now, can we all just get on board the “START ZAZA NOW!” train??? That guy would definitely bring the energy and urgency that our starting lineup has needed just about all year. I guarantee we wouldn’t see a 46-second timeout tonight like we did in Game 3. Give Zaza 25+ minutes and I also guarantee that the rebounding margin would even or in our favor. Let Boozer try another dirty-a$$ forearm like the last game, and Josh won’t have to worry about it… cuz Zaza would handle that nonsense!!

START ZAZA TONIGHT!!!

doc

May 12th, 2011
3:31 pm

aj was never a fsn of acie as you know

he yas had plenty of ops so a different story or at least a different ending

doc

May 12th, 2011
3:41 pm

as far as teague goes, the game has slowed down for him over the year. nice to see it when playees seem to get there and let the game cpme to them rather than force it. josh among others is guilty of it and it shows as a team when things start implodong like they did tuesday. another guy in zaza to have found a peace in his game and brought it back to where o thought it should be. hopefull this isnt a fleeting thing for them both.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2011
4:59 pm

I just heard that Al Horford was named to the NBA All-Pro 3rd Team… as a center. OK, I teed it up, who wants to swing away?

niremetal

May 12th, 2011
5:07 pm

I hear Tito filed a letter of protest, AJ.

Sautee

May 12th, 2011
5:22 pm

harpie

May 12th, 2011
6:17 pm

Teague rules, Larry drools…

harpie

May 12th, 2011
6:20 pm

If life were just, next season Jeff Teague would be an NBA starter, and Larry Drew would be a rec league coach.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
6:37 pm

Only just now I managed to finish watching Game 5.

Man, I would refuse even to go into the court for Game 6.

Yes, we had a few bonehead plays BUT WE WERE MUGGED by the refs in the 4th quarter.

Phantom calls in favor of Rose (for +1 plays), no calls on clear fouls on Teague (2 in a sequence of 15 seconds – fouled on a lay up attempt, he recovers to steal the ball on our back court from Rose, fouled again), JJ is slapped several times by Deng and what is usually called 3 FTs suddenly it’s “great D” by CHI.

We were butt f*cked Marcellus Wallace way and we did not get the benefit of a rescue!!!!

vava74

May 12th, 2011
6:41 pm

And those were just some of the highlights of the second half of the 4th quarter…

vava74

May 12th, 2011
6:47 pm

Diaper Al is the “Huggies MVP” selection for this year’s playoffs.

His ass is so tight when he launching his jump shots that it’s almost pitiful to watch.

He is, nonetheless, an acceptable All NBA 3rd team selection but if we have to compare, JJ was much more deserving selection last year.

Al gets there because the competition is thin.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
7:05 pm

Astro,

This is specially for you:

“hat the heck got into Teague?

To J.J., who said all season that the Hawks just needed to trust in Teague, the difference is simple.

“Just minutes,” he said. “Getting the opportunity.”

To Teague, the difference has not just been playing more; it’s knowing the Hawks need him to play more.

“I would say that’s the difference,” he said. “During the season I didn’t know if I was going to play one game and if I was going to sit the next. Now, knowing that I’m going to get an opportunity to go in every game, I just try to focus and give a good effort.””

tjhook

May 12th, 2011
7:33 pm

Somebody help me! I’m at work wanting to watch the Hawks game and all I have available is my IPhone. Can somebody send me a link so I can watch it. I would be deeply appreciative

vava74

May 12th, 2011
7:57 pm

Tj

I think you may need quit your job.

Since the iPhone doesn’t have flash you will not be able to watch it…

vava74

May 12th, 2011
8:00 pm

Or you download and pay for the subscription of the NBA leaguepass gametime app

niremetal

May 12th, 2011
8:15 pm

Doesn’t cover the playoffs I think, Vava.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
8:29 pm

right on cue LD making the wrong move: Jamal for Teague…

vava74

May 12th, 2011
8:37 pm

what a retard… my goodness…

our wins came with us playing small with Teague, Jamal and JJ, limiting Jamal’s minutes at the PG.

Also, when Jamal did play PG in the games we won, we were LEADING, not trailing.

This bleeping idiot will not learn.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:13 pm

clancy ,

Not only is it possible, that’s the way it SHOULD be. It’s not like Hinrich ever hurt this team. Certainly no more than any other newcomer, and far less than most. Fact is, he’s been a help .

jlewis ,

I promise I’ll answer your question. But it won’t be until after the playoffs are over for the Hawks. You’ll understand why when the time comes.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:14 pm

Josh Smith on the break after a defensive play – this is him at his best and provides a rallying point for the team. We need more of that.

We also need more of Al Horford taking it strong to the basket the way he did when he went for the dunk and drew the foul. That, and hit that outside jumper.

Teague continues to give us some lift and JJ is still working hard against double teams.

Unfortunately, we are STILL getting our butts handed to us in the paint. And it shows.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
9:16 pm

what a frackking idiot, what a frackking idiot.

As soon as the Bulls show some momentum, the match ups should be Josh on Booz, Al on Noah and then bring Zaza to mix it up.

Collins was not working. He had to make a move earlier.

And to sub Teague for Jamal being just 6 points down and us clearly having problems on D in the front court he gave the game away.

And WTF was this last play? We have an opportunity to go to the half under 10 points and the best he can do is have JJ bring the ball up and pass to Josh at the 3 point line?

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:17 pm

Thank God once more for Zaza Pachulia. He literally has half the team’s rebounds. And Kyle Korver has no idea how close he came to receiving the Forehead of Doom …..

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:24 pm

I really don’t care at all for Jon Barry.

N.D.T.K.A.

May 12th, 2011
9:24 pm

Based on the performances in these playoffs, should Josh Smith be traded this summer? Do the Hawks need a new coach?

Based on what we have seen in the playoffs these are very good questions to ask and now is a perfect time to ask them? How can you not be up for an elimination game? If a team is playing pressure defense on you do you look to create space to take your jump shot or do you drive to the basket to force a foul or basket?

Amazing the things you can determine from a playoff series!!!

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:33 pm

LOL @ Department of Unintended Irony ….yeah, I do have fairly good sized hands. I wear a size 15 ring if that gives you any indication…

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:35 pm

Perimeter shots continue to miss. Bulls defense remains stout.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
9:36 pm

moving screen by Noah… yeah, great refereeing

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:38 pm

Vava ,

Remember all those comments you made to me in the preseason about Chicago, the moves they made in the offseason, and that whole Horford vs. Noah thing?

Oh never mind. It’s much easier to lay everything at the feet of Larry Drew and Jamal Crawford.

:twisted:

vava74

May 12th, 2011
9:39 pm

The big line up with Collins was not working to start the game. What persuaded LD that it would work to start the 3rd?

Coaching dogmas like this one make you wonder if the co-pilot of the Airplane movie would not do a better job…

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:40 pm

Noah turns sideways and the refs don’t see anything but hair floating 7 feet off the ground. You gonna call hair for a foul :twisted:

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:41 pm

Collins with a clutch basket. Never thought I’d say that, but hey….

Meanwhile Boozer beats Horford for an offensive rebound.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:41 pm

Bogans thinks the call was bogus.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:43 pm

My goodness look at Teague go…

And look at Josh get burned for the third time in a row, closing out on a jumpshooter.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:45 pm

Teague is out…and for what? If Crawford doesn’t come in hot, this looks like a baaaad move. If anything, I’d have let Joe get a minute or two rest.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:46 pm

Sorry, Josh wasn’t burned for the third time in a row, it was the Hawks defense in general that was burned by a jumpshot because the Atlanta defender keeps staying too far off.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:49 pm

We’re getting bambBOOZERed.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:49 pm

Joey Crawford can suck a *censored*

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:51 pm

I don’t think I’ve seen an uglier play. Joe pounds it for too long as his teammates stand around watching, then he drives to the hole and makes a beautiful pass that Al Horford does his best to fumble away, and it ends up being a 3 point attempt by Josh before Zaza rescues them with an offensive rebound. Josh draws the foul on a scoring attempt and promptly misses free throw.

niremetal

May 12th, 2011
9:53 pm

The Hawks came out flat tonight. Unless there’s a switch somewhere that they can flip in a hurry, this season has about 30 minutes left in it.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
9:55 pm

Ray,

Those commentaries where made when we had a guy called Boss playing for us. Not Diaper Al.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
9:55 pm

trade Horford.

he has the most trade value and is a soft pile of cr*p

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
9:56 pm

Going to be very difficult to break Chicago’s momentum and confidence at this point. The Hawks would need some lucky breaks, some very focused play, and to suddenly begin shooting about 15% better than they have been all game.

In other words, I think it’s over.

niremetal

May 12th, 2011
9:57 pm

Wow. Three airballs in one possession.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
9:59 pm

Al has defended Boozer badly all series long. all series long.

when Josh defended Boozer he stuffed him several times… but LD insists on Diaper Al on Booz.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:00 pm

Vava ,

Unfortunately, the Boss and Diaper Al share the same body. That was my point back then – Al’s words about playing a different position were a warning. A warning that nobody seemed to think much of until they see what they see now.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:03 pm

Heh. Found ourselves a new player to hate, have we? LOL

Melvin

May 12th, 2011
10:04 pm

I’m sorry to say but I never seen perennial All-Star players (especially teammates) get taken out of their game so easily as Joe and Al.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
10:06 pm

we were jobbed in game 5 and we have been jobbed in this game too.

add to this LD’s horrible preparation and the result is just about where I expected it to be.

the cherry on the top was Teague’s injury that threw him off his good mojo.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:06 pm

Smith is hitting jumpers. An ominous sign.

Down 21 as the Bulls show us what good ball movement can be like, even with less raw talent.

Rose dunk puts the exclamation point on it all.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:10 pm

Well Nostradamos has spoken….after the fact…. :lol:

vava74

May 12th, 2011
10:12 pm

yep, pretty obvious red flag, but fans tend to be irrational… and disregard these signs.

I also fail to understand why we stopped exploiting Rose’s subpar pick ‘n roll D.

Teague should be make him work 30 possessions a game driving and dishing. It worked in the other games but we have completely stopped doing it.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:12 pm

Ugly. Al can’t catch a pass, Jamal can’t find a lane. Guys standing around.

Why is Marvin in the game?

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:13 pm

Vava ,

I think it’s a lost cause, but I don’t see why Teague is on the bench while Marvin is in the game.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:19 pm

Ted Turner leaving the game…and wondering why in the seven hells didn’t he sell the team to David McDavid instead.

Melvin

May 12th, 2011
10:20 pm

I just saw enough out of Pape Sy to get rid of Marvin

vava74

May 12th, 2011
10:21 pm

And we again fell for the Howard syndrome:

We have been overreacting to Rose all night long and allowing CHI to hit the midrange pops COM-FOR-TA-BLY.

Very poor adjustments by LD if we can even detect any…

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:21 pm

Did Pape Sy just score? See! I told you he should have been playing all this time!

;)

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:22 pm

I was going to stop watching, but Pape Sy is in the game, so I can’t turn the game off now

Melvin

May 12th, 2011
10:24 pm

Hopefully this is Marvin last game in a Hawks uniform…

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:27 pm

Well, there we went.

New blog up in a day or two.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:27 pm

Melvin,

Don’t count on it. Nobody wants to pay him what we owe him for what he gives you.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:29 pm

Damn. Sy has some serious speed on him.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:29 pm

Takes good angles to the basket, too.

Big Ray

May 12th, 2011
10:29 pm

niremetal

May 12th, 2011
10:30 pm

Well, it honestly was fun while it lasted. Bad end to a better-than-expected playoffs.

Ken Strickland

May 12th, 2011
10:30 pm

If the Hawks intend to retain LDrew as the HC and want to improve, Sund and the ASG can’t afford to resign Jamal Crawford. Getting rid of Jamal is the only way to stop LDrew from indulging in the same STUBBORN STUPIDITY he shares with MWoodson when it comes to playing Jamal when he’s doing nothing. It was certrainly the only way we stopped him from consistently hurting the team by starting and playing Bibby heavy mins.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
10:33 pm

We had the Bulls on the ropes at the start of Game 2 and LD threw the game away by not putting hustlers on the floor.

He completely missed the preparation on Game 3, again, not understanding the importance of hustling.

Managed to make adjustments for game 4 and we got the win.

Game 5, well, we got jobbed and LD stuck with Jamal doing nothing so we had 2 pretty bad combo factors.

Game 6… a joke of preparation and joke with his “in-game adjustments”.

Melvin

May 12th, 2011
10:34 pm

Big Ray,

I think we could get rid of Marvin if we package him with another player or take back a bad contract that hopefully could help us. Brendan Haywood comes to mind…

vava74

May 12th, 2011
10:35 pm

Rose seems to be a really nice kid.

I would like the Bulls to win it. It would make us look better than we really are :-D

vava74

May 12th, 2011
10:40 pm

vava74

May 12th, 2011
10:49 pm

Jamal shot .333 from the field and .173 from 3 point land in this series.

Still, he averaged 30 minutes per game.

In his defense, I think the refs stopped whistling any contact he got, but the hard fact is that in many shots he was trying to get the calls so badly that he became so notorious as an in-flight flopper that the refs simply don’t want to reward him and additionally don’t call when he gets really hit.

Ken Strickland

May 12th, 2011
10:50 pm

This is going to be an interesting off season for the Hawks. Do we keep the core intact, or will there be a trade of at least one core player. I’ve seen enough of Pape Sy to understand why LDrew wanted him so badly. He appears to be a very good perimeter defender, and he certainly has the speed, quickness and athleticism to to get to the rim and finish.

We need a starting quality center so Horford can move over to PF, and so we can maintain continuity with our starting lineup. I’m still a proponent of trading JSmith to Golden State for PG/SG SCurry and C ABiedrins. A starting lineup of:

C-ABiedrins-ZPachulia-JCollins
PF-AHorford-?(Armstrong, JPowell)
SF-JJohnson-MWilliams
SG-SCurry-Pape Sy
PG-JTeague-KHinrich

This starting lineup will give us far more OFF/DEF balance and OFF firepower. Biedrins can give us the interior DEF and rebounding we’ve gotten from Smoove, and Curry can make up for the OFF we’d lose without Smoove.

N.D.T.K.A.

May 12th, 2011
10:52 pm

Frustration.

vava74

May 12th, 2011
10:59 pm

Ken,

After this series, count me out of the “trade Josh keep Al” bandwagon.

I was never fully, but inclined to buy the ticket.

Horford is the best trading chip we have and he is PERFECTLY EXPENDABLE.

Zaza would have done more with Al’s minutes.

Josh needs a coach that gets him to see the light. There might not be a coach out there with that power but our PUFF FORWARD Diaper Al was a disgrace.

Al has no heart and no balls.

Josh may be a looney but he brings it more often than Al and impacts the game positively even when he is missing shots (he also impacts negatively).

vava74

May 12th, 2011
11:00 pm

…fully in, but I was inclined to buy…

doc

May 12th, 2011
11:02 pm

heh heh c webb said the first thing this summer that needs to happen in the off season is to blow up management. they have to dec if they want to win a championship then get players that can play at their best positions and not continue to draft players to compete at the same position. hmmm sound familiar? at least the spotlight has brought some credibility to the organizations players who c webb played over their heads and capabilities and that the accountability lies at the feet of the people at the top. go fu*king figure.

doc

May 12th, 2011
11:11 pm

couldnt take the last ten minutes had to leave.

seems htat the bulls threw a huge curve ball at the hawks where they said we are going to beat you inside from the get go and then executed it.

bulls in 6 games if boozer contributes 18 and 10. they are very deep and should be able to compete especially inside against the weakness of the heat. i hope. ;-)

JSS

May 12th, 2011
11:24 pm

To all of the regulars bloggers….
I wanted to take a moment to thank all of you… Even when we disagree, it has been a pleasure… And this is such a true honor in comparison to the rest of the blogs on the AJC… I know it hurts; but the expectations were so low, and they showed their strengths and their weaknesses… We’ve learned some things about this roster… Some of things are very sad (Crawford, Williams, and to a point Johnson). The failure of Horford brings a real cloud over the future… In the “who knew?” column: Josh and Teague, but will they completely shed their enigma status…

So here is hope that CBA is worked out and in late October we can all convene again and Vava can crack on me for wanting to pickup a young cheap big man to help use up fouls… It just won’t be the same without Rod trashing Marvin!

Chucktown38

May 12th, 2011
11:27 pm

Don’t look for a bed of ROSES in a port-O-potty ie the Atlanta Hawks. The team has talent but a very low basketball IQ on the floor. That is the simple reason they can not win. Nothing more nothing less.J Smith should never never never leave the paint and never never take 3’s. Well he should be traded if he can’t play smarter.

Chucktown38

May 12th, 2011
11:32 pm

the term trade is thrown around alot, and the words to use is BLOW this team up TRADE EVERRY ONE and start over’

niremetal

May 12th, 2011
11:34 pm

Say what you about the offensive stuff and defending Rose/Deng, but frontcourt futility on the glass and in the lane (on both ends) was the biggest strike against us in this series. Josh and Al combined for 9 rebounds in 76 minutes tonight. In every game coming into tonight, the Bulls reached double digits in ORebs. With the exception of Josh’s Game 4, our frontcourt simply did not provide an offensive presence in the paint.

I just didn’t see that coming. Our starting frontcourt being our achilles heel against the Bulls.

NUNNA!

May 12th, 2011
11:50 pm

Big Ray..Wats up??
1st lets be clear,the drew and his coaching staff are PRETENDING that they knew Teague was this good and would be playing like he is now..
Lets be honest here,he would not have played more than 9 minutes in this series if Drew had his way.

How many times have we heard this,this year Big Ray?

How many times has LD talked about the matchup problems that will face Teague if he did play?

Do u remember the 2 games he started after the trade for Kirk,and how he shut down Andre Miller?

Im sure u do,and i know those were only 2 games but even with the little playing time he had recieved up until that point he showed what he is capable of doing??

All i know is,Jeff Teague played well this series and show be our starter next year,but!!! I would not blame him if he called the hawks front office in the morning and said,”Hey thanks but now i wanna weigh my options and let you guys have your guards and i’ll go to another team..
I would not blame him..As a matter of fact,after watching the Pape Sy,Jordan Crawford,and JT relationship with the coaching staff i will warn ANY ROOKIE WHO IS DRAFTED BY THE HAWKS OR SIGNED IN FREE AGENCY,BEWARE AND DO NOT SIGN WITH THE HAWKS!!!

We will be known as career killers!!

NUNNA!

May 12th, 2011
11:54 pm

Hey Jamaal Crawford!!
I know u reading this tonite..
Holla at us and let us know what u think..And,what it is that u have been wanting to say all year..
And,are u coming back???

doc

May 13th, 2011
12:03 am

ditto to jss. well said. y’all come back now.

boozer is a stud for this team and we had no answer for him when he got going this series. their front line hammered us and stuck butts in our guys to set great box outs. i hope larry plays that stuff over and over again. i dont think the bulls will be an easy mark for the heat at all.

Ken Strickland

May 13th, 2011
12:37 am

VALVA74-I have to disagree with you on the Horford issue. He obviously didn’t have a great series, but to judge him based on that alone is a mistake. After all, he’s done enough over the last 2yrs to earn All Star honors, and that includes going up against bigger more physical players.

Smoove seems to be the one who looks to avoid contract, which is why he likes to float on the perimeter launching and missing long range jumpers. Smoove is the more talented and athletic of the 2, but Horford is more mature, versatile, and fundamentally sound.

Let’s not forget how much Smoove hurt us during the 1st 4gms against the Bulls, with his insistence on launching and missing so many consecutive long range jumpers. The only key player that can’t be singled out and blamed for contributing to our insistency and ultimate elimination is JTeague.

kwooden

May 13th, 2011
1:27 am

I hate to end the season this way, but the Bulls played great and I will give them their due.

Congratulations to the HAWKS for making to the 2nd round and improving on last year!

It was a really tough season, which didn’t end well.

vava74

May 13th, 2011
4:20 am

JSS,

Hilton could be the semi-youngster we need to complement Zaza’s characteristics.

I know that it was garabage minutes last night but he stuck his but into Gibson’s stomach and backed into a dunk in the closing moments.

We lack that. Zaza is an energy big off the bench to provide rebounding and when match ups favor him, some points off misses or pick n’ roll plays.

Josh with proper coaching will play better and closer to the rim. What he needs is someone who is not afraid to bench him when he strays off the right path. Accountability.

Al is now strictly a finesse big, a Puff Forward, so we need physicality and shot blocking inside, which is something that Hilton – a perennial underachiever – showed he is capable of doing if he got his act together since he has a foot out of the league in no time and needs to find a home.

Strange – not really – but after using a vast array of bigs against Howard, LD sat numbly throughout this series and watched us being burned by CHI’s energy on the boards and DID NOTHING.

He under-used Zaza is some crucial games (yesterday Zaza again proved that he performs with more minutes – 13 boards in 20 odd minutes), but beyond that, LD never tried anyone else.

Why not try out Etan’s physicality? Or Hilton’s athleticism?

LD is a fracking idiot who cost us a winnable series. Also, the Diaper Al – Boozer match up was horrible for us, whilst Josh stuffed Boozer all the time when they matched up. Only a blind man missed it.

Also, how can he justify the minutes given to Jamal when he was giving us nothing offensively and was being burned on D? Wilkins should have played consistent minutes to bring hustle, D and with that more transition buckets.

CHI won by hustling and defending like animals our best player (JJ) who even so had a passable series, given the poor preparation and adjustments made to get him more space.

Benching JJ when he over-handles should also be in the program: a quick pull, a small chat and back again.

Instead, LD watched most of the time the team perform like a small boat in the rapids… out of control and going with the flow without trying to beat it and influence direction.

LD was bailed by Hinrich’s injury: Teague proved that he deserved more minutes and that his skill set is something we are lacking, without him we would have been swept (mind that I like Hinrich A LOT and with a proper coach, we would have had Teague, JJ and Hinrich with the most minutes in the back court and Jamal strictly as scorer off the bench who would be pulled when under performing).

So, strictly a lucky event for LD, but anyone with a modicum of intelligence is forced to consider Teague’s performance an indictment of LD and evidence of how weak of a coach he is.

Big Ray

May 13th, 2011
5:32 am

New blog up…some of you are going to burn me in effigy… :)