Atlanta Hawks – The team you thought you knew

These can’t be the same guys that got swept in the most embarrassing fashion in the 2009-2010 playoffs, can they?

The Atlanta Hawks made dubious history in last season’s playoffs, losing to the Orlando Magic by a record number of averaged points. The only way they could do worse is to make history again, by giving up a 3 games-t0-1 lead to the Magic in this year’s first round series. NBA history is on the Hawks’ side, and unless Dwight Howard’s supporting cast decides to don a collective set of capes, the Hawks will drive on to round 2 of the NBA Eastern Conference playoffs.

Half Empty, Half Full

Most folks didn’t give the Hawks much of a chance against the Magic in this series, but now some quickly changed their tune, even before last night’s win. But what do the fans think of all of this? Did the Hawks fool us all season long into believing that they are less than they truly are? Have they reached their potential? Or is Orlando truly that bad, despite the dominating performance of Dwight Howard? Just how accurate our incredulity is, is a testament to how confusing this team can be. After losing the final six games of the season, there was little hope that the Hawks would come into this series with their heads held high, and a major chip on their shoulders. The Hawks haven’t just gotten the matchup with Orlando down pat, they’ve even figured out how to press the advantages they have.

On the other hand, this past season (and offseason) saw Orlando make some big roster moves to try and get over the hump and back into the Eastern Conference Finals. Perhaps it’s unseemly to give the opponent more discredit than to give the home team credit, but rest assured of one thing – if the Hawks cruise into the second round of the playoffs and suffer a beating, every headline about THIS series will read about the fall of the Magic and NOT the rise of the Hawks.

Glass half empty…or half full?

Difference Makers

On the defensive side, the differences between this year’s team and last year’s is at the center and point guard positions. With Jason Collins spending 6 fouls and roughly 18 minutes getting under Howard’s skin, the Hawks finally put themselves in position to defend the monstrous center one-on-one, and no longer subjecting them to futile run-outs at wide open shooters. At the top of the key, guard Kirk Hinrich holds his own, successful or not (Jameer Nelson has been scoring pretty well of late), once again, eliminating the frantic and ineffective help defense of the past.

But for my money, the biggest difference makers in this series are Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford. Both guys stunk up the joint last postseason, scoring below their season averages and not shooting well enough to be a threat to anybody serious. This year has been a different situation altogether. Not only is the high scoring backcourt duo playing well, they’ve both stepped up their games in regard to field goal percentage and attack effectiveness. Facts are facts, and the team’s two best scorers allow the Hawks to have a balanced attack, which has been just enough to beat the Magic’s two man game.

One more win, and the Hawks prove that they’ve passed the Orlando Magic litmus test. But is it enough? Are the Hawks truly better than we thought they were, or are they just better than the Magic now?

 

Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest Blog

239 comments Add your comment

Astro Joe

April 25th, 2011
3:30 pm

Abe, no doubt. But Zaza has also taken a pounding (while rebounding, scoring a little and enforcing a lot). And even Hilton got in on the act. But for all that pounding, Dwight is putting up epic numbers. He’s scoring 10 more than the regular season. If 5-6 players are averaging less than normal and one player is averaging more than normal… you recognize the group that is defending the guy averaging more than normal (while getting minimal rest as OB pointed out)? What is this, the bizarro world?

Melvin

April 25th, 2011
3:46 pm

honest_abe

April 25th, 2011
4:06 pm

i’m sure some stat nerd will look up how effective each defender has been against dwight. but i get your point dwight has been sick.

can we really credit the hawks d for the magic’s inept outside shooting? we all know outside shooting has its swings. in fact its the main reason for the hawks late season swoon. as they couldn’t figure out any alternative way to score. now that the magic have lost all the players that could create shots for themselves, its only a matter time before those bricks turn into makes. let’s just hope the shots don’t start falling in game 5.

doc

April 25th, 2011
4:27 pm

well that puts jamal in about the same epic category in his RESULTS for the post season in comparison to the regular season. throw out the 46 and dwigh begins to come back to earth a bit. he has not recreated the first night with fresh legs. dwight has also not dominated at crunch time, so he can score all the wants as long as when it comes time to measure up for the final shots he hasnt been the go to guy as yet for some reason. then it is just happenstance that their shooters all go dead? we will see. collins has been huge literally against dwight taking his best shots and wearing him out mentally as well as physically, zaza, too for that matter then hilton but uh etan and powell? uh, not too much.

Astro Joe

April 25th, 2011
4:45 pm

doc, Jamal is the 2nd player in league history to score 20 off the bench in the first 4 playoff games. So yeah, I think “epic” would apply. And if you were coaching such a poor foul shooter, how many times would you give him the ball in late/close game situations? Again, as I said from the beginning, I struggle to celebrate Collins’ contribution above Zaza. I tend to go with the guy who plays more minutes, scores more points, grabs more rebounds and butts more heads. But Collins wins the flop award, hands down.

doc

April 25th, 2011
5:32 pm

when jj dribbles into the corner and a double team i dont care what his receivers are doing astro. yes they stand around too much but jj sometimes just puts himself into a bind as he doesnt have the quicks or the handles that he used to have to get out of it. it happened again at least once in the fourth quarter. bb iq. find it.

doc

April 25th, 2011
5:36 pm

i think dwight has become a much better fouls shooter, hasnt he? it was around 70% at some point this year and certainly better than our guys have done during this series. the way they are shooting id risk an and one with dwight and give him the ball if i could get it to him and forget the long range stuff. but i am not svg. heh heh

doc

April 25th, 2011
5:39 pm

yeah astro i know with mchale mentioned it the other night and no he hasnt blown up that much over the regular season except in the first game and is trending down which i expected due to the load of collins et al during this series and why svg has been complaining so much because he knew it as well.

doc

April 25th, 2011
5:40 pm

well,dwight about 70% for this series anyway as he was at 60% for the season where he stays.

Mike

April 25th, 2011
6:05 pm

I think it goes both ways, Hawks is playing alot better since the beginning of the playoffs but they still sucking when it comes down to rushing everything (tempo, shot selection and other stuff) but it is the Magic who is the shadow of themselves and they should probably didnt blow up the team so early in the season.

To me, I think the second round is going to be the major factor of the what the Hawks is going to do after the season and for the future, believe me from the GM (last year of his contact and might be retiring from GM) to Josh Smith (he is going on the trading block, if he contiunes thinking he is Dell Curry), from Larry Drew(this series earn him another season) to JJ will be including in this, even go after FA like CP3 and Dwight in 2012 will play in the big part in that seriee(we can still lose 3 straight to the Magic then it is blown up mode)

O'Brien

April 25th, 2011
6:51 pm

I think its a combination of both (JJ and the other players). And right now, JJ is stuck in his ways of holding the ball too long, while the other players are stuck in their ways of not making the effort to get open.

I know Jamal has been balling, and as a Hawks fan, I’m glad he is. but how much of it is due to this being a contract year, and his last chance to get that big contract? How many examples can we find where a player is awesome during his contract year, only to return to norms after signing his new deal.

I would like to resign Jamal. However, it has to be for the right price, because Hawks have made enough mistakes of overpaying for guys. And I dont think we want to invest too much money into a 31 year old SG after investing big money into a 29 year old SG.

Rod from College Park

April 25th, 2011
6:58 pm

vava74,

From last blog:

“I give Jamal due credit when he deserves it. He is playing really well in this series. However, contrary to Rod, I know that the game of basketball is a team sport and a game which requires players logging 30+ minutes to play both sides of the court.”

Yeah, I guess that why Jason Terry is averaging 33mpg in the playoffs also. Both guys supposedly play no defense, come off the bench and can put up big numbers. Wonder why both coaches let them play big minutes? Guess neither of them no anything about basketball either. You sound dumber and dumber everytime you respond.

vava74

April 25th, 2011
7:17 pm

Rod,

Shoot away. I don’t care.

Jamal is playing ABNORMALY well.

I hope he will keep it up. Yesterday he played really well. Focused, less out of control and trying to play D.

In case you missed it, Kerr praised Jamal heavily but said the following: Jamal is the type of player who not play more than 25 minutes and take as much as possible from his minutes. If you keep him more than 35 minutes or so he will often shoot you out of the game”.

As for Terry and Dallas, I guess you did not tune in on their meltdown in Portland. If you did, you would know that Terry is being over-utilized as well.

O'Brien

April 25th, 2011
8:15 pm

Dallas is known for their meltdowns too. Golden State and Miami come to mind. And they can’t blame it all on Avery Johnson since he isnt there anymore, so maybe the players (starting with Dirk) had something to do with it.

Rod from College Park

April 25th, 2011
8:18 pm

vava74,

OK. If you put yourself in the line of fire, you will get shot. LOL

O'Brien

April 25th, 2011
10:04 pm

The Spurs are in trouble. Down 13 going into the 4th. They should be down 3-1 after tonight, and Memphis will have the chance to send them home early. I did not see that one coming.

And Mike Conley is playing well. I hope Teague can take step forward next year like what Conley has taken. Memphis is without Rudy Gay, but that might have been a blessing in disguise, because they would not have made the trade for Battier if Gay was healthy. And while Gay can score, he plays little defense.

doc

April 25th, 2011
10:27 pm

yes watching a bit impressed with how this griz team has gelled over the course of the year. i dont see the spurs having any answers for what is going down right now as the griz are coming in waves.

O'Brien

April 25th, 2011
10:35 pm

doc,

If Memphis can win the series, that gives OKC a great chance of making it to the conference finals, becuase I think OKC would beat memphis in the next round. And I would love to see OKC make it to the NBA finals… to play the Hawks of course.

Rod from College Park

April 25th, 2011
10:51 pm

“As for Terry and Dallas, I guess you did not tune in on their meltdown in Portland. If you did, you would know that Terry is being over-utilized as well.”

So now Jason Terry is the reason Dallas has meltdowns? Wow.

doc

April 25th, 2011
10:53 pm

o’b, i thought the lakers would draw the griz with the higher lower seeding with presumably the mavs and okc draw each other for the next round.

O'Brien

April 26th, 2011
7:06 am

doc,

I dont think the NBA reseeds in the playoffs, so the brackets will stay the same.

doc

April 26th, 2011
7:48 am

yup o’b, could be a 2vs3 and 4 vs 8 in next series. i missed it but they said on tnt last night how rare it is for an 8 to beat a 1, maybe 3 times?

wordsmithtom

April 26th, 2011
7:50 am

Let’s hope they can finish thing tonight. If not, Zaza needs to stay out of trouble so he can stoke the crowd in Atlanta for game 6. I have been critical of LD for not giving bench more burn during last 6 games, but I’m impressed Armstrong stepped up in Zaza’s stead Sunday to harass Howard. Zaza said the bench were pro’s and would step up. HA did. Bravo.

Finish off Orlando tonight, please.

vava74

April 26th, 2011
7:50 am

Rod,

Like Jamal’s, Terry’s D is mostly non existent, so when his shot is not falling, just like Jamal, he is a huge liability.

That game, he was 5-16 which is also a very Jamal-like line.

I saw the Brandon Roy resurrection in the 4th and Terry was on the floor for most of the time in which the 23 point lead eroded.

Honestly I don’t recall if he was guarding him or not, but a backcourt with an decaying Kidd (whose D is no longer as good as it was), Juan Barea and Terry is, IMO, a very good step for disaster.

Terry posted a compounded -18 during his minutes in the 4th quarter (two shifts) and in his last shift of 5m19 seconds, he was 1-5 from the field so, yes, Terry was a factor, IMO.

In conclusion, I must say that I have not been very impressed with Carlisle’s ability to coach in the playoffs.

DEAD BIRDS

April 26th, 2011
8:29 am

Jamal is going to get a big paycheck from some other team after the season. We should have lock him up with a contract extension and now it is too late.

Astro Joe

April 26th, 2011
9:13 am

The Thunder are more talented than the Grizzlies but I kind of think the Grizzlies may be a little more “playoff ready”. I like the presence of Tony Allen, Battier and even Zach Randolph on their roster. Experienced guys who can do something significant when the pressure is at it’s highest. And none of them are “finesse players”. The Thunder are clearly the media darlings but I’m not convinced that Perkins is their version of Yoda. Durant and Westbrook may need a few more hard knocks before they are ready for the big time of a Finals appearance. If they do make it against a team like the Celtics, it could be a Cavs-Spurs type series.

O'Brien

April 26th, 2011
9:44 am

doc,

It doesnt happen much in the NBA. It could turn into a 6 vs 7 (Port vs N.O) and a 4 vs 8 (OKC vs Memphis). How crazy would that be?

AJ,

I think going toe to toe with the Lakers for 6 games last year was part of their hard knocks. I do think it would be a close series though (at least 6 games), because Battier and Allen give them 2 good defenders, and Gasol and Randolph give them size to match up with OKC bigs.

newkid

April 26th, 2011
10:19 am

Assuming Hawks continued success (with the Rope-a-Dope strategy) in the 1st round, what’s the ‘winning’ strategy for the Bulls series? On the offensive end the Bulls’ success is built around Rose’s ability to drive the lane and finish, drive and dish to Boozer or Luol for mid-range jumpers, using his threat to drive to set-up his vastly improved J. Rose sets up the entire offense, and is likely the only individual problematic match-up.

On the defensive end Thibs is a master at effectively devising team-specific schemes, and his players (they go 10-11 deep, and they allow themselves to be coached) expend the energy to execute the defensive schemes. JJ’s tendency to dance with the ball for 8-10 seconds of the shot clock will likely be met with traps, turnovers, and fastbreak points that’ll get those cats on Madison even more jacked up than they normally are.

Astro Joe

April 26th, 2011
10:39 am

newkid, IMO, the Hawks would need to focus on 2 things if they meet the Bulls.. rebounding the ball and closing lanes for Rose to drive the ball. I’ve been a big believer in the Bulls since they put together a very, very good collection of rebounders during the summer (Boozer, Noah, Gibson, Kurt Thomas and Asik). Since missed shots increase during the playoffs, rebounding becomes that much more important to end a possession. Even before the Hawks get to think about Rose, they need to figure out how they will score against a very good defense AND rebound the ball. If they can actually make that happen, then they get to deal with the likely MVP. “What’s your prediction for the fight?” they asked Clubber Lane. “PAIN”.

OB, I’m very skeptical that the Thunder have the experience and resolve at this point to make that kind of a run. I remember reading that Perkins was impressed with how well they work together and get along (when he arrived). So the fact that they “know their roles” will most definitely help them play beyond their inexperience.

doc

April 26th, 2011
10:53 am

rose, turned all our “athletic’ guys upside down and sideways continually in the games i saw. if he is on we cant hold him back is what my fears are unless they bring collins out to flatten him on one of his drives. as hinrich said our defense was good because he was missing his shots. the problem is he penetrates easily against us so it doesnt matter if his a game from outside is not working if he is patient.

newkid

April 26th, 2011
11:17 am

By ‘closing lanes’ AJ, I take it you mean either Rose’s defender (Kirk or Jeff) stays in front of him, or the 3 and/or 4 collapse to the middle to ’squeeze’ the alley after Rose has beaten his defender. The counter to this squeeze play is the dish to Boozer or Deng for mid-range jumpers. Can’t have it both ways, can we (especially if Boozer and Deng are making their shots)? So one key seems to be the extent to which Hinrich and Teague can stop Rose’s penetration in one-on-one situations. Force him to take and make the long jumper from the very outset. If he’s making them early, lookout.

Defensive rebounding is about man-to-ball positioning and concentration; offensive rebounding is about effort. The Bulls will likely ‘out-effort’ the Hawks (particulary Noah and Gibson), and therefore get more than their fair share of offensive boards. Even if Rose is only moderately successful, if the Bulls convert their 2nd chance opportunities at a high rate, we’re in trouble. On our offensive end, let’s hope we’re making shots at a high rate so that there aren’t many rebounds to be had.

Sleepy

April 26th, 2011
11:18 am

The strategy for the Bulls is to give Rose that three point shot and when he does drive bring the hammer .

Rose in just 4 games has already taken a huge amount of punishment and they havent even closed out the Pacers . The physicality of the pacers is taking its toll a bit and we want to continue that if we get to play them.

Ours bigs should use there fouls but use them wisely. I think he gets the old superstar wink win as defender and I would make him play defense and wear him down .

It seems as though we view the Bulls the same way we used to view the magic with Dwights dunks seemingly demoralized us as everyone was so caught up in the “oh no Dwight dunked on me” ….now we are like so what he is not gonna wan this game though.

We need to apply the same strategy to Rose the guys a superstar he is not gonna be shut down but we have to make him pay for every point we can and not get caught in worrying about his highlight plays.

Astro Joe

April 26th, 2011
11:30 am

newkid, you nailed it. Like I said before, “PAIN”.

Astro Joe

April 26th, 2011
11:37 am

Sleepy, I agree. But Rose has a MUCH better supporting cast this season than Dwight.And it some ways, it is easier to stop a center who spends 95% of his time in a specific area of the court than trying to contain a PG who is everywhere. My biggest fear is that we are badly out-rebounded and that the Bulls are constantly pushing the tempo off our missed shots. The Magic are a half-court team (like us) while the Bulls would have no problems sprinting down the floor for easy baskets.

Astro Joe

April 26th, 2011
11:41 am

Enough talk about the Bulls… there is a scenario that has the Hawks losing tonight (the Magic will pull out all of their ammunition/tricks), the Hawks come home and experience a Milwaukee-Game-5 type let down at home and then we’re dealing with a Game 7 in Orlando. Surely one of these teams will have a 3-point barrage game in this series… will the Magic make it rain at home tonight?

vava74

April 26th, 2011
12:19 pm

Stop talking about the Bulls. If the Hawks are as immature as the fans, we can expect a major disaster.

The Magic have been shooting like blind men and nonetheless they have won 1 game and been veeery close on 2.

I don’t think that it is unreasonable to think that they could have a good shooting night today and that if they do, they will pull out an easy win. If this carried on going forward…

Also, Jamal has been smoking hot. Actually, too hot to be true and to continue like this.

.471 from the field and .565 from 3 point land is outlandish and I don’t think he can carry on like this.

Enter a small fluctuation to these two variables and we have the recipe for a major let down and the Hawks being the 9th team to blow a 3-1 advantage on a 7 game series.

vava74

April 26th, 2011
12:22 pm

Astro,

One thing about Collins that you obviously missed: late in the 4th, he came in to replace J-Smoove after his 5th foul.

While guarding Howard one on one, he rotated, stepped and got a charge called on Turk’s drive.

That play was absolutely crucial and was a masterpiece in defensive basketball.

newkid

April 26th, 2011
12:39 pm

Relax Vava74, Hawks’ performance against Orlando in games 5, 6 (if necessary, and 7 (if necessary) not predicated on extent to which some fans begin ‘early’ discussion of possbile next opponent. At least I hope it isn’t. Are you superstitious?

The Dreamer 3K

April 26th, 2011
12:56 pm

I do not agree that the TWO variables determinative of success or failure tonight are (1) How well or poorly the Magic (ENTIRE TEAM) shoots and (2) How well or poorly Jamal Crawford (ONE INDIVIDUAL PLAYER) shoots.

The Magic is the sum of it’s parts, rightly so. Yet the Hawks, despite two all-stars Joe and Al and another player who is regarded as the best player not to make an all-star team, Josh, is seemingly reduced to having its fortune rest upon one sixth man’s shoulders, Jamal.

I choose not to view the game through this prism. As I’ve stated in the past, I’m a Jamal fan. I think his offensive skill-set is much needed on our team. But, I’m a bigger Hawks fan. Call me old fashioned, but I don’t believe one player will win or lose tonight’s game.

If one player determined his team’s success or failure, Orlando would have swept the Hawks already because Orlando’s number 12 has dominated.

vava74

April 26th, 2011
1:04 pm

newkid,

early discussion on a subject by fans is a good indication of what is also going in the minds of the players.

most of them are merely kids (or big kids) who have shown to be immature more often than not.

I am ZERO superstitious, but I am a realist: the MAGIC can’t believe that they are 3-1 down against us and may feel that this has been an aberration.

If, and we are not talking about a big if, their shots start to fall and Jamal stops shooting like he is right now, close games like these past two wins quickly turn into lopsided losses.

I don’t think most fans are realizing how thin is the line between winning and losing, in particular when we have not been winning with any degree of command over the course of the games.

newkid

April 26th, 2011
1:08 pm

Well, I am a bit superstitious, so maybe you and AJ are correct, let’s stop this business about the Bulls until after the Magic series is wrapped.

vava74

April 26th, 2011
1:21 pm

Dreamer 3K,

As you know, I am not a Jamal fan, but contrary to what some people say around here, I am not a hater.

I am a realist who knows how fragile is the success based on jump shooting and in particular on jump shooting by a player who has been throughout his whole career extremely streaky.

Jamal was crucial during these past two wins and with JJ being consistent but not overwhelming, Jamal has been a key factor.

A bad shooting performance by Jamal is bound to happen at any moment and the problem with that is once that happens LD will not limit his minutes and will insist on him “shooting himself out of a slump”, which, IMO, is one of the biggest myths in basketball.

When a streaky shooter is not shooting well the only right place for him to be is the bench.

If you add the above to the fact that Al has not been shooting well you’ll see that we either start playing the right kind of basketball or we will crash and burn as soon as our jump shooting by our guards tails off a bit.

Having said the above, I do hope that JJ is fresh (after playing only 33 minutes) and has another good game in him in this series (like game 1) and gets us a win tonight.

Sleepy

April 26th, 2011
1:47 pm

Oh please Vava you are a hater lol . Just a couple of weeks ago you were claiming jamal shouldnt be playing more than 20 minutes a game and now that hes basically blew a hole in your entire argument you are in here trying to act as though you were anywhere close to being right in your criticism of jamal.

Now you are of the belief that one bad shooting performance means he should sit on the bench when he already comes off the bench ? Your hate is so deep that I believe that you dont even believe half the things you are saying but hey you would rather end out that message that your crazy as opposed to simply admitting that you were wrong .

O'Brien

April 26th, 2011
1:50 pm

newkid, AJ,

In addition to Boozer and Deng, there is also Korver who will hit the 3, so we have to make sure we stay on him. If Kirk gets in foul trouble, I dont think LD can afford to play Jamal at PG for extended minutes.

vava,

If the Hawks lose the next 3 games to Orlando, then major shake up should be coming (coach and player movement).

honest_abe

April 26th, 2011
1:53 pm

doc, being kinda rough on hiney don’t ya think? grandma driving a porsche? heh good stuff. that analogy is spot for bibby.. but i’d say hinrich is more like at least a grandpa.. no? and lets bring that porsche down to an equus. fake luxury boss.

playoff basketball can dissected in so many different ways it can induce a severe migraine. for the sake of simplicity it’s all about execution in the last 2 minutes of each quarter with the magnifying glass coming on in the 4th. case in point indy vs bulls/bos vs ny. indy has played extremely well but has had trouble executing in the last two minutes. boston is the best at time management and execution in the half court at the end of games. it requires a creative, smart coach. willing, focused, disciplined, unselfish players in order to make everything click. i have my doubts that the hawks have any of these characteristics. and before you go on and say the hawks are up 3-1, lets remember it’s more of the magic’s ineptitude than the hawks improvement. at the end of games they give the ball to joe or jamal and pray. that tactic will only take you so far.

Sleepy

April 26th, 2011
1:59 pm

honest_abe – we dont give the ball to JJ and Jamal at the end of the game and simply pray weve ran quite a few offensive sets both this year and last year.

Weve ran a ton of pick and roll with Al and jamal to great success at the end of games

Weve also seen the JJ/jamal pick and roll play

a lot depends on matchups and whose playing well.

doc

April 26th, 2011
2:03 pm

glad to know you still got it honest. no arguments, agree with it all but hinrich is not a sports car but a solid ford i guess and we arent that athletic.

i like hinrich just he is what he is an a huge need and a big improvement on bibby. at least he wants the ball coming up the court. funny sometimes to see some of the silly little postural things that josh does like not give the ball up to the guy he should like hinrich but passes it off to someone else coming up court. it also seems like hinrich and ld communicate real well and hinrich is always tryong to herd the cats by calling a play even if it never gets in motion.

honest_abe

April 26th, 2011
2:21 pm

sleepy. snore. you can think what you like, i’m not going to change your opinion and that fine. but the hawks rarely call a play in the final two minutes. on occasion they’ll do a little 2 man game with joe and jamal but more often than not whoever has the ball will call off the screen and go at it one on one. and heave some junk at the end of the shot clock. thats a fact jack.

doc exactly. he tries to get them into sets with little success. which is exactly what he tried to do in game 2. with the hawks down by 4 hinrich calls a play but of course who isn’t paying attention. hmmm. everyone yells at josh to wake up and by that time everyone in the building can see which play is coming which is a jj curl off of a horford screen so richardson overplays it. josh throws a dumb pass to horford who is in awful position with 3 left to shoot. so he shoot an 18 foot fadeaway that has no chance.

sometimes i think joe or jamal would call a play but it takes the entire 5 to execute it properly and more often than not the play fails miserably so they just resort to an iso. i guess in hindsight it can be better than the alternative.

Rod from College Park

April 26th, 2011
2:21 pm

“Oh please Vava you are a hater lol . Just a couple of weeks ago you were claiming jamal shouldnt be playing more than 20 minutes a game and now that hes basically blew a hole in your entire argument you are in here trying to act as though you were anywhere close to being right in your criticism of jamal.

Now you are of the belief that one bad shooting performance means he should sit on the bench when he already comes off the bench ? Your hate is so deep that I believe that you dont even believe half the things you are saying but hey you would rather end out that message that your crazy as opposed to simply admitting that you were wrong .”

Could have not said it better myself. Matter of fact, vava74, you are beyond a hater.

honest_abe

April 26th, 2011
2:22 pm

phrase of the day: more often than not.