Hawks fans: What’s your ten game wish list?

With ten games left in the season, the Atlanta Hawks certainly will not be able to match last year’s regular season record. Unless they play very well (and their opponents play very badly), they won’t match the record of the season before that, either. So with that in mind, what do we as fans want to see from our team? Now let’s be realistic – we all want to see different things. But in the interest of waiting for what many of us feel is inevitable, let’s explore some ideas.

One Final Push

It’s not easy for a team to maintain a steady pace towards the end of the NBA season, let alone make a strong final push. Right now, the teams in the East that seem to be doing this are Chicago, Miami, and Orlando, having gone a combined 23-7 in their last 10 games played apiece. Could Atlanta make a strong push to end the season? Would it matter? After all, the Hawks are 6.5 games behind Orlando, and the simple fact is this – even if they were to snatch the 4th seed away from the Magic, they’d still be matched up against them in the playoffs. So is a final push a worthy goal?

Make Some Noise in the Playoffs

One bit of useless consolation is the all-but-guaranteed fact that the Hawks will make the playoffs. What seed they retain is another story that isn’t yet told, but that may be besides the point. An Atlanta squad that can’t seem to get it together towards the end of the regular season doesn’t seem likely to do much in the postseason, where they will face only the winning teams. But what if they were able to shake their doldrums long enough to make their matchup competitive? What if they won the dreaded first round matchup with Orlando that looms larger and larger every day? Could it happen, or is it a pipe dream? Have we reached the point where all we can hope for is that they avoid a sweep? Wait…what if they don’t avoid the sweep?

Do Something Sensible with the Lineup

Now that head coach Larry Drew has everyone in the Northern Hemisphere confused as to what he wants to do with the playing rotation, might it be too much to ask if he just…you know…did something normal and sensible, like play the same 8 or 9 guys? How about going with matchups that work (and not going away from them later in the game)? Would it be so bad to let Jeff Teague play again sometime soon? Surely there is something that Drew could do to help his team (and their fans) feel some solidarity. Just limping into the postseason isn’t going to cut it. The Hawks need something more, and maybe Drew can provide that for once. Or….maybe it’s too late for any contributions on his part. What do you think?

Get It Together

That admonishment is for the team, which seems to be about as split on the court as they could possibly be. I mean, what gives? The losing mentality has begun to take its toll in ways that we just couldn’t have seen. Al Horford, once thought to be the future leader of this team, mostly ends up point out the painfully obvious, although he certainly has a point. The problem is, Al doesn’t respond by reverting to the rugged ways of his first two or three years in the League. Meanwhile, somebody needs to file a missing persons report on Joe and Jamal. Josh Smith probably still thinks that team unity is defined by how often these guys hang out together away from work. Can these guys actually find some semblance of pride and play together for a few games? Are the playoffs merely a formality standing between them and summer fun? Are they just flat out done or can they show us something like they did against Detroit? Any highlights left in the ol’ Factory?

So what do YOU want to see out of this team in the last 10 games and the postseason? Or are you just waiting for the end?

 

 

Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest Blog

168 comments Add your comment

Jofixi

March 26th, 2011
3:47 am

This team is done…they’ve only proved this season they know how to hold their hands out for a paycheck. JJ has been s post season BUST and a mega waste of money with his league leading contract.

No heart. No passion. No pride.

NOW YOU KNOW (remember when that meant something positive)

tckr83

March 26th, 2011
4:16 am

Sell the Hawks to an owner that gives a darn! This is the FO’s fault initially and then the players fault after they got paid… the players don’t care, so the fans don’t either. They’re not stupid (fans). Players on the bench laughing while they’re down to the Bulls by 47 points at one point! Hilarious guys… If they’re trying to convince us they care, thats not the way to do it! Can’t wait for some Braves baseball!

Paradise Lost

March 26th, 2011
4:16 am

I’d like to see at least 4 games in which the team holds their heads with pride, plays with passion (the first Bulls game comes to mind), and flat out acts like they care about basketball and their fans. We fans watch sports for entertainment, escape, inspiration. We want to believe in the human spirit and its ability to overcome adversity. That’s why it’s so hard to watch these guys we’ve rooted for forever seemingly roll over and quit. Where is the Al who swung from the goal and roared during the Bulls game? Where did Headband Joe go? Or January Joe? I won’t ask where JT0 is, only whether LD is willing to unglue him from the bench for a few games? I’m not even asking for or expecting play-off miracles. Is just like to see them take these last games and finish well.

Paradise Lost

March 26th, 2011
4:22 am

I’d like to see…not Is.

season ticket holder

March 26th, 2011
6:29 am

sell the team to Clark Howard, ask each present player if he wants to really be a “Hawk”, give a Coaching job to D. Wilkens and Mike Glenn, appoint W. Bellamy to Director of Scouting…give those comp tsideline tickets to real fans, not just those who come out for the “super star games”…

Marcus

March 26th, 2011
7:04 am

Consistent effort. Its something we haven’t seen yet from this core group, but there is always wishing. :(
It seems like every season, we pick one team to get up for …… and the rest, ehhhhhhhhh..wishy-washy.

Last year, we put a hurt on the Celtics in the reg. season, probably due to residual emotion from the 2008 playoffs. Then we go limp vs. ORL all season and get thoroughly ransacked in the playoffs, and the non-playoff bound 2009 – 2010 NYK (pre-Amare) use Nate Robinson and D. Galinari to eat our lunch.

This year, with the exception of some late missed shots in the 1st matchup, we would be 3-0 vs. the Magic. Yet, NJN, PHI and others smack us around and worse yet, we get out-chanted by opposing fans in our own house, with the declining HOME record to boot.

Something in the core has to be swapped out, or we will have 4 straight Groundhog Days (”seasons”).

tony

March 26th, 2011
7:08 am

ASG #1 responsibility is to make the fans happy but they refuse to do that. From day 1 they’ve been serving fans roaches and rodents. It’s sad to see some fans are still excepting their bad menu.

Stevedave

March 26th, 2011
8:15 am

I bet $300 that they would go over 46.5 wins this year. Looked golden before the 7-14 skid. Sl I’d like to see 7 bleepin wins. thanks coach drew for using a 7 man rotation on a back2back. Or developing any sortta rotation at all. Overpriced tickets. Overpaid heartless squad (not al, Kirk and 1/2 Joe). Underachieving squad. One and done coach. Motion off my ass

NCBravesFan

March 26th, 2011
8:38 am

BR: welcome back. My biggest wish is for LD to maximize available resources, which is apparently not going to happen. He’s trying to ‘out offense” what is in reality a defensive problem, and asking players to do things they do not have a successful track record of doing.

It’s a tire fire all the way around.

Come back Woody!!!

March 26th, 2011
9:07 am

Start Jeff Teague for the rest of the season – momentum is already at 0, so it can only got up. He also needs the experience. Additionally, showing his true playing ability might wake up the upper management/coaching staff to his worth, or at least get some trade offers for him.

Fire LD – Honestly, he may be a good coach, but not with these players. his systems has hurt more than help. He struggles with the lineup because his coaching style doesn’t fit it. ASG needs to make a Basketball decision at coach, not a business decision. It will help us soon than later.

And of course, a call to Mike Woodson – Both he and the Hawks should swallow their pride and rejoin each other. ASG should bring him back on the conditions that he hire a top-tier defense assistant coach.

Come back Woody!!!

March 26th, 2011
9:12 am

fan

March 26th, 2011
9:27 am

Fire Sund and Drew maybe that will wake up a team with no heart and passion

tremaine

March 26th, 2011
10:03 am

“GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!”

Dwayne

March 26th, 2011
10:07 am

Only one wish needed….The the Atlanta A$$ Clowns sell quickly, the are worse than any other owners in the history of all sports!!!!!

Dwayne

March 26th, 2011
10:07 am

niremetal

March 26th, 2011
10:16 am

A part of me is hoping that the Hawks drop the next 5 in a row so that LD is shown the door before the playoffs. But since I’m not confident the front office is smart enough to actually do that, I don’t know.

Dwayne

March 26th, 2011
11:12 am

Our idiot owners, aka the sucknificant 7, should have let joe walk and signed Avery Johnson to coach.

JSS

March 26th, 2011
12:18 pm

“Larry Drew has everyone in the Northern Hemisphere confused as to what he wants to do with the playing rotation”

There are penguins in Antarctica trying to figure that dude out!

I’ve been hard in the past on Tyrone Hill; but can you guys tell me, is this staff just that bad? Is that one of the reasons that Woodson seemed to tune them out?

DunwoodySteve

March 26th, 2011
12:27 pm

I think that the fact that this blog was posted over 9 hours ago and the are only 17 comments thus far speaks volumes! And I wouldn’t be here if Google News hadn’t placed it on my home page! I love the Hawks, support them through thick and thin. I’m also a very long time (45+ years) Chicago Cubs fan. I know how to support a team that fails to meet hopes and expectations! All the talk with the Hawks this year about needing to play “with more energy” seems like a thinly veiled code for STOP BEING LAZY. I remember meeting Tom Nissalke many years ago when he was coaching the Houston Rockets. A friend of mine asked him “how do you motivate these guys?” I’ll never forget his answer: “you don’t – you hope they come to the arena in a good mood and ready to play”. I’m afraid that little has changed in 25+ years. Players rarely change their work ethic. As many others have suggested – keep Al Horford and get new players!

O'Brien

March 26th, 2011
12:28 pm

nire,

If something drastic happened, and the Hawks fired LD before the playoffs, who do you think would be the interim HC? Lester Connor, Bob Bender, Ty Hill, or someone from the outside?

Big Ray,

I’m not as concerned about winning or losing the next 10 games, because we are up 3 games on Philly in the loss column, so it is unlikely that they catch up to us. That being said, my list is:

1) Give a consistent effort for 48 minutes.
2) Develop some consistency with the rotation.
3) Hold players accountable
4) Stop playing Jamal at PG (If LD refuses to play Teague, I would rather see JJ at PG instead of Jamal).
5) Once we have clinched the 5th seed, give the bench guys more burn.

Phil Lunney

March 26th, 2011
12:37 pm

Play Teague at point guard. Ask Josh to watch some video’s of Blake Griffin (josh has his talent, he just needs his energy, and Josh they are going to make bad calls, get over it). Run the motion offense and play defense. Play a Big at Center and let Al blossom. Every year, I think this is the year. We all have dreams.

chuckw/deadjournalist

March 26th, 2011
1:09 pm

After 30 games, I thought Larry Drew might have been a diamond in the rough. After 50 games, I was beginning to worry. Now, I’m scared to death that he might be the coach again next season. I think a lot of us thought that the Hawks – while never a title contender – could at least be a consistent 50-win team that might catch lightning in a bottle one year at at least make it to the conference finals.

But this team as become as undisciplined as the 1992-93 team that was coached by Bob Weiss. But I don’t see Lenny Wilkens walking through the door unless there is an ownership change. I don’t see that happening, either.

I have no hope for this team. I don’t care about what happens in the playoffs. This team is going nowhere, fast.

With so many of us screaming and pleading for veteran leadership – guys who are still heavy rotation guys, mind you – for the last few years, it is shameful that the team make no effort to acquire players who know how and what it takes to win. Why do you think Kurt Thomas never signed here?

This team is a wreck. None of us wanted Joe Johnson resigned. We all feared that he would have become exactly who he as become – Glen Robinson, Glen Rice, Rashard Lewis, etc. – guys who got big paychecks and then signed-out as soon as they signed on the dotted line.

To make matters worse, JJ should already be a 3, because he’s not build to be a 2 at this point in his career. But the Hawks don’t have a 1 or a 2.

This teams flaws are showing more and more the older they get and the more they play together. Experiment over, wholesale changes need to be made.

I thought this team would win 47 games this year – and they still have a chance. But they will have done so playing more like a 27 win team than a team that won 53 games last years.

This team isn’t young anymore. They are in the middle of their window. Too bad the window has slammed down on our fingers.

And they wonder why there is little fan support.

chuckw/deadjournalist

March 26th, 2011
1:28 pm

Also, do I even need to mention how well JC2 has been playing in Washington?

niremetal

March 26th, 2011
1:31 pm

O’B,

My guess would be Lester Conner. My hope would be an outsider.

niremetal

March 26th, 2011
1:32 pm

Chuck,

Have you actually watched the Washington games?? JC2 has not been impressive. He is taking a lot of shots on a bad team and hitting them at a poor rate. And that’s the best thing he’s doing. He’s not passing, defending, rebounding, or hustling.

chuckw/deadjournalist

March 26th, 2011
1:42 pm

nire – i haven’t. just looked at numbers. (just had a kid a couple of weeks ago and trying to catch-up.) has it been worse than JC has been playing?

joey

March 26th, 2011
2:02 pm

joe is the problem he has the talent to torch teams but hes to passive and has no killer instinct and for those of you who think we should trade josh smith are crazy if j smith can just play like he did against philly we could be a elite team

O'Brien

March 26th, 2011
2:03 pm

chuckw/deadjournalist,

But this team as become as undisciplined as the 1992-93 team that was coached by Bob Weiss..

Speaking of Bob Weiss, he was an assistant to Nate McMillan in Seattle. When Nate left to coach the Blazers in 2005, Bob was promoted to HC. Guess who was the GM of the Sonics at that time? Rick Sund.

Ironically, Weiss was fired halfway through his first season. Maybe that’s what should have happened with LD.

And to comment on JC2, he is taking a lot of (bad) shots in Washington, and not playing much defense. Also, he is averaging 3 assists, 2 steals, 3 rebounds (to go along with 3 turnovers). However, considering he was picked 27th, he is showing potential.

And congrats on the new born.

chuckw/deadjournalist

March 26th, 2011
2:08 pm

O’B – Thanks. Sounds like JC2 is playing like JC1 …

joey

March 26th, 2011
2:11 pm

Mike

March 26th, 2011
2:31 pm

I’ve been a Hawk fan since 1956. ( I actually remember our only NBA Chapionship). I happen to be visting Australia for the last couple of weeks and I can assure you that it’s not only people in the Northern Hemisphere that are confused by the lineuo, Those of us in the Southern Hemisphere–even if only temporarily–are also baffled by the lineup(s).

Mike is back

March 26th, 2011
2:43 pm

Big Ray, I would just like for LD…to quit all the talking…and hold one his starters accountable for once during the game…before the season is over…geeeeeeeeeeez.

Second, I would like the Hawks to pretend like they care about playing defense…dang I hope that is not asking too much.

niremetal

March 26th, 2011
2:48 pm

Chuckw,

First thing’s first – congrats on the newborn!

As for JC2, he does remind me a lot of a young Jamal, but without the “nose for the basket” that Jamal always seemed to have.

cedric

March 26th, 2011
3:59 pm

get rid of the entire core group of players if nothing different is shown during the playoffs.

mykhalc

March 26th, 2011
4:21 pm

yo Big Ray…what up man!! gotta admit…just waitin’ on the end here bro. it’s been the SAME narrative for this team for too many years now. it’s time…KA BOOM!!!

Big Ray

March 26th, 2011
4:45 pm

tckr83 ,

I have to say, the level of professionalism of the Braves players and that of the Hawks is alarmingly different. Losing is always hard to take, but a lack of professionalism is absolutely unacceptable.

Mike is Back ,

That isn’t too much to ask. But it might be too much to expect ….which is sad.

Big Ray

March 26th, 2011
4:46 pm

chuckW ,

Congrats! Hope the whole “not getting any sleep” thing doesn’t go too rough on ya. I have one that is about to be 4 months old, and she’s STILL killing us with that.

Ken Strickland

March 26th, 2011
4:47 pm

Jordan Crawford demonstrates what is often missed when a HC would rather make excuses rather than over come a STUPID BIAS that prevents him from making a committment to developing young players. If JTeague received the same consistency, mins and support Jordan is receiving with Washington, he’d give us simular production.

I’m sick and tired of HC’s who have this one dimensional approach to coaching, with no options to fall back on when that approach fails.

Big Ray

March 26th, 2011
4:50 pm

Mykhalc ,

Man! Is it ever good to hear from you! I thought we lost ya for a minute there. I understand your sentiments about this team. These guys peaked last year (and the peak part wasn’t pretty once we realized their limits), and now they are falling. What’s doubly frustrating is the fact that they have the potential to rise further. Just not as currently coached or constructed.

cedric ,

I don’t think we’ll see anything different during the playoffs. I wouldn’t get rid of the entire core, but I would certainly move at least one of those guys. It may take only one. Or, it might take two. We will have to see. The thing is, you can’t really destroy a core without a rebuild plan in place. I don’t think that the front office has such a plan, as they were expecting to either maintain status quo from last season, or get lucky and rise above their set capabilities with the present team.

Destroying the core altogether also requires having some nice high lottery picks coming your way. The Hawks don’t have that, and they can’t get it without trading for them.

Big Ray

March 26th, 2011
4:57 pm

joey ,

joe is the problem he has the talent to torch teams but hes to passive and has no killer instinct and for those of you who think we should trade josh smith are crazy if j smith can just play like he did against philly we could be a elite team

Not to nitpick, but we STILL LOST to Philly with Josh playing the way he did. So….clearly him playing some of his top basketball is not enough to make us an elite team. On the flip side, I can remember several games over the years where Joe Johnson was the ONLY guy scoring anywhere near 20+ points per game, while adding 5 boards and 5 assists per. Guess what? We lost several of those games, too.

I think the problem isn’t any one guy, it’s how these guys perform together on a consistent basis. Josh doesn’t play many or even most games the way he did against Philly. Is that not a problem? Sure it is. Joe isn’t even playing as well as he did last season. That’s another problem. Guess who else? Al Horford. Where’s the guy who used to aggressively defend every opposing center he came across, no matter who or how big? Where’s the guy who was almost guaranteed to get you double figure rebounds every night? Where’s the guy who was so rugged and energetic that nobody paid attention to the fact that he was “only” 6′9.5″?

The worst part of all of this – I just named our three best players and team captains. The problem ain’t just one guy. It’s all three….and then some.

mykhalc

March 26th, 2011
5:05 pm

@Ray…didn’t lose me brah…i quit!!!LOL like the Hawks!!! the thing that kills me more than anythin’ is if you and i go back to the early days of you, me, doc, Ando, Joe, cp, jhan etc etc etc, the questions about this team are the SAME!!! still waitin’ on Josh, to show some BB IQ, Marvin to show-up, PG (temporarily answered by Bibby), a true 5 (temp answered by Al) etc etc. the only thing new to me is we NOW know Joe ain’t leadin’ nobody…doesn’t wanna lead either. ASG is still as f’ed up as ever!!! i’m mean…what’s really new??? other than non-coachin’ LD!!! i guess i got one answer that i didn’t have before is that now i know why Woodson’s offense was so bad…look no further than to his immediate to his left!!! but as much as i hated Woodson as HC i will give him his props on holdin’ cats accountable…well sorta!!!LOL KA BOOM!!!

Big Ray

March 26th, 2011
5:05 pm

JSS ,

Hard to say, but I would welcome a change to an entirely different coaching staff.

Dunwoody Steve ,

True. But then, me posting it during the wee hours of the morning might have had something to do with the number of comments as well. Glad to have you, whether it’s Google that brought you here or something else!

Phil Lunney ,

Josh needs a sports psychologist. Or maybe a hypnotist. And telling Josh that the refs are simply going to make bad calls is like telling a fish that it isn’t supposed to swim. Neither gets it.

Big Ray

March 26th, 2011
5:09 pm

Mykhalc ,

Strange, isn’t it? I remember the stuff we used to talk about here. We knew then that managment was the problem. And the problem has not changed.

Come Back Woody! ,

I think Woodson would do better with a lead offensive assistant that wasn’t obsessed with offensive sets that don’t work with the players we have. I think Woodson would do better with a pg like Hinrich, instead of one like Mike Bibby. I also think Woodson would not come back to work for these guys (the ASG and Sund), and it’s probably a wise decision on his part. I also think Woody would do better without a particular player on this roster, but that’s for another blog….. ;)

I also don’t see Woody working anywhere else right now. There is a reason for everything.

Big Ray

March 26th, 2011
5:12 pm

Here’s one for you, from the following link:

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/fran_blinebury/03/25/playoffs-outlook/index.html

East

Atlanta Hawks — The Hawks are looking more and more like a team facing elimination — even before the playoffs arrive. They’ve lost eight of their last 11 games and are getting hammered in the process. At least they usually played hard under previous coach Mike Woodson. Now it seems they’ve quit on his replacement Larry Drew. The Hawks have All-Star talent with a minor-league commitment and might get passed by Philly for the No. 5 seed in the East.

mykhalc

March 26th, 2011
5:21 pm

yep Ray…gotta agree that Woodson woulda done better with Kirk, no doubt. and for the record i predicted that the Hawks will go 1-10 in their remainin’ 11…stickin’ by it. 1 and done in playoffs…tho i’d really like to see themselves right outta the playoff picture. but they’ll get what they deserve once the playoffs start…no doubt.

O'Brien

March 26th, 2011
5:49 pm

Big Ray,

Regardless of what happens in the playoffs, the Hawks have to shake up the roster.

JJ is almost untradeable with his contract, and even Marvin is probably untradeable (on his own). I think the Hawks best trade chips are Josh, Horford, and Hinrich (who will be an $8 mil expiring).

Maybe they can package one of their trade chips along with Marvin or ZaZa to bring in 2 solid players.

E43

March 26th, 2011
5:53 pm

Ken Strickland-You’d never admit when you’re wrong. You just move on to the next big thing. I already told you what the hawks problems and you ignored me on multiple occasions over the past few years. And since then, the hawks problems have only become worse and were getting embarrassed on national TV just because we still haven’t addressed those issues. And that’s despite getting swept twice and ranking low in rebounding and blocks/shot altering.

Big Ray

March 26th, 2011
6:25 pm

Ken ,

If JTeague received the same consistency, mins and support Jordan is receiving with Washington, he’d give us simular production.

So 39% shooting from the field (to include 20% from 3 pt range), 3.1 apg and 2.5 TO per game, along with 14 points per contest tickles your fancy, does it? How about the lack of defense?

You more or less just described Jamal Crawford. What you didn’t describe was the kind of point guard we need. Then again, that’s just my opinion….

O’brien ,

I see Marvin as the kind of guy who is going to play up to the type of leadership that’s on this team. He’s a useable player for this team because he can also be productive off the bench. Here lately, I’d really argue that he’s better off the bench, with JJ at the 3.

You surmise things correctly, though. I think the need to move JJ over (not to mention the size of his contract) also shows why we’re going to have to move either Smith or Horford. And that’s all I’m going to say about that for now.

Big Ray

March 26th, 2011
6:27 pm

E43 ,

You do know that you just invited a 500-700 word retort with several capitalized words and phrases, right? :lol:

Rusty

March 26th, 2011
6:55 pm

I have direct tv & have been watching jc2. he had 10 assists the other night. He is scoring from the perimeter & inside. He is a lot better defensive player than jc1 . He right now is playing a hell of a lot better than jj or jc2 . His coach said the other night according to the announcer that jc2 is a real good passer. He also said that wall & jc2 play well together,also jc2 has lot of the same skills as John Wall.