Atlanta Hawks – Slippery slope part II

It’s happening again. The Atlanta Hawks are slipping, and they’re gaining speed as they go down the slope of losing. Sure, teams struggle and that is the nature of the game. Struggling like this is a different story, though.

Writing On the Wall

Rick Sund said the Hawks were essentially playing to stay within the 3rd to 5th seed range of the playoffs. Perhaps we can guess that this means retaining as much as the 5th seed in a conference that has experienced some major moves that have increased the talent level, is acceptable. Maybe this is a reasonable thought, considering that the Hawks would have been hard-pressed to make any moves that could match the splashy significant of the triumvirate in Miami, the acquisition of Carmelo Anthony in New York, or the move that brought Deron Williams to New Jersey. In fact, the only move the Hawks did make seemed rather vanilla to most folks. Sure, it was a good move, but it was never going to be enough. Sund indicated that what the Hawks needed most was to change from within.

So, as the Hawks’ chemistry continues to be a problem, what seemed a distant threat at one time is now creeping up with a nearly inevitable feel – the Hawks are going to fall into the lower seeds of the playoff bracket. Fortunately, they won’t have to worry about falling completely out of the playoffs. Indiana is currently the 8th seed in the conference with a whopping 27 wins, while trying to stave off Charlotte, who has an identical record. So, the Hawks don’t have to worry about teams that are 10 games behind them.

But what of New York and Philadelphia, the current sixth and seventh seeds in the Eastern Conference?

 The Knicks now have a serious swagger and the talent to back it up. They still don’ t play defense well enough to win against the upper echelon of either conference on a consistent basis, but they’re a more credible threat than most, what with their star power. At 34 victories and with a 6-4 record in their last 10 games, the Knicks could overtake the stumbling Hawks.

The Sixers are going about their business much more quietly, but they too have now managed 34 victories after beating Boston tonight. Their record in the last 10 games? Eight victories, two losses. Like the Knicks, the Sixers have struggled at times against the better teams in the League, but they’ve pretty much stomped on those with inferior records. Worse yet, they have something else in common with New York – both have proven they can beat the Hawks into the hardwood this season.

Can Atlanta win enough to keep these two teams in their current places? Or is the writing already on the wall?

 

Cancelled Due to a Lack of Interest…

The way things are going, I can’t tell who is less interested right now – the fans or the players. Maybe both realize that not much is going to change this season. It was nice for a minute, watching the Hawks play better defense. However, this offensive ineptitude gets tiring really quickly. Some moments, the team seems like they’re sleepwalking while one player tries to do too much (usually resulting in a turnover these days). Other moments show frustration from some players (again…usually resulting in a turnover) and perplexingly subpar play from the team’s best players. All the while, the post game quotes and comments are becoming more and more bleak. Or should we say, apathetic? Larry Drew seems to have lost or let go of the reins to this stagecoach.  Tonight’s game clearly showed that once again, he’s talking to nobody in particular when it comes to his game plan. Are his days numbered as well?

It’s not that the Hawks are the only team struggling. There have been tears in Miami and anger and outrage in Orlando.  Even fans of the reining League Champs have something to gripe about. No, the Hawks aren’t the only ones with problems. But it just might be that they are the only ones who don’t seem to care.

 

UP NEXT

With 17 games left to play, the Hawks return to Atlant for a six game homestand that may or may not help stabilize things. First on tap are the Portland Trailblazers, a team that Atlanta beat on the road a couple of weeks ago with doses of offensive effectiveness from Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford. Between the lackluster play from the Hawks and the Blazers’ dual bid of wresting 5th place from Denver while staving off 7th place New Orleans, there is just no way to predict how this might turn out. But if the Hawks can’t find a way to motivate themselves to play better at home (at least), then they are likely to keep right on sliding….

 

….right down that slippery slope.

 

 

Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest Blog

344 comments Add your comment

O'Brien

March 14th, 2011
2:12 pm

I dont expect LD to give Teague the same leeway that the other veterans have earned.

However, Teachers are continuously pressed by the leadership above them to practice different teaching techniques with their students, because different students have different abilities/talents, and different students learn differently.

I think LD has NOT done a good job with finding the right way to bring Teague along.

I agree that Teague struggled in most of the opportunities he was given early on, and I dont think his minutes should be gift wrapped to him.

But if one approach was not working (Teague off the bench with Jamal), and the team is struggling, isn’t it up to the HC to try something/anything to find a spark?

However, despite Bibby’s struggles, and despite’s Jamal’s struggles playing backup PG, it never crossed LD’s mind to try Teague with the starters?

The starting lineup would come out slow and lethargic against a certain team, and fall behind by double digits. But what does LD do? Start the same team in the second half, only to watch the deficit grow. And this happened on multiple occasions.

With the team struggling, why not try Teague with the starters if LD “still believes in him”.

After the trade, Teague played well enough when he started those games, but once Hinrich was up to speed, he was automatically inserted as the starter, and Teague went back to getting inconsistent minutes.

LD talked about tinkering with the lineup (from before the AS game, then on the road trip after the AS game, then after the trade). And he did not do anything different until the Blazers game?

Teague deserves some blame, yes. But as the coach/teacher, LD did not help Teague vas much as he could (imo), and that’s ashame, because the team could have benefitted more.

vava74

March 14th, 2011
2:26 pm

nire,

You always cover your *ss in some way like Lawyers do, inserting small words and phases here and there that protects you from frontal attacks.

However, readers many times get the idea that, regardless of these safeguards, your opinions have a clear sense and that is why some people – including me in this case – end up attacking the underlying concept and disregard the “escape clauses” you insert.

You are an excellent poster and one of the people that really know about the game – far more than I do – but you are far too rigid with regard to blog etiquette :-D

Nonetheless, I understand where you are coming from: you post did have many safeguards and I should have not attacked it as if it the same did say black on white that Teague “had not yet shown anything similar to what we saw on Saturday”… My bad :-D

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
2:36 pm

O’B,

I actually agree that giving Teague some burn with the first unit might have been worth a shot. But that doesn’t explain why he couldn’t consistently do SOMEthing when he was playing his minutes with the second unit. Again, if he had just consistently moved his damned feet on defense or hustled after loose balls or attacked the rim – in other words, if he had done SOMEthing constructive that doesn’t require rhythm or minutes to do – then it would be one thing. But he didn’t do any of those things consistently – heck, most of the time he was out there, he did NONE of those things.

Also, I’m confused as to why people seem to think that Teague with the starters was what won us the game Saturday. We actually did quite poorly when that unit was on the floor:
http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20110312&game=PORATL

That being said, BasketballValue says we did quite well the few times we gave Teague burn with the starters earlier in the year. I wouldn’t have been averse to trying that. But I honestly don’t think the situation was as desperate as you make it sound until the 2-3 games right before the Hinrich trade. We were 33-18 going into the Philly game, which to me was the “this team needs to make a CFTSOC right NOW moment.” After that, it was just 4 games before the Hinrich trade and Teague’s first crack with the starters.

In any case, I still don’t think that our main problem was at PG. This team’s issues run deeper than that, and I don’t think stressing about the PG position would have really led to significant gains, unless Teague and Kirk find the collective gonads to (in order, more or less) force Josh and Al to get their asses under the basket on offense, convince Jamal to run the offense, get Marvin to stop fading into the weakside corner every possession, and get JJ to wake back up. But I hope I’m wrong.

Rod from College Park

March 14th, 2011
2:41 pm

“You are an excellent poster and one of the people that really know about the game – far more than I do – but you are far too rigid with regard to blog etiquette”

Two guys who never played the game, but really know the game (LOL). Guess I could just read a couple of books, and become a lawyer.

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
2:46 pm

I’ll point out something that I’ve said a couple times before, but that bears repeating. We’ve actually improved our defensive slightly as compared to last year (we’re 20th in the league in drebs now, compared to 23rd last year). But we’ve dropped from 6th in the NBA in Orebs last year to 26th this year. Most of that drop is attributable to Al and Smoove, whose ORebs/gm are down by almost a quarter compared to last year.

The downstream effects of our big men shooting so many jumpers worry me far more than the actual FG% on those jumpers, my Josh’s jumpers updates notwithstanding.

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
2:55 pm

Rod,

Remind me. How is it that you made it through your long illustrious playing career without ever learning that offensive fouls don’t lead to free throws?

doc

March 14th, 2011
2:56 pm

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
2:46 pm

I’ll point out something that I’ve said a couple times before, but that bears repeating. We’ve actually improved our defensive slightly as compared to last year (we’re 20th in the league in drebs now, compared to 23rd last year). But we’ve dropped from 6th in the NBA in Orebs last year to 26th this year. Most of that drop is attributable to Al and Smoove, whose ORebs/gm are down by almost a quarter compared to last year.

The downstream effects of our big men shooting so many jumpers worry me far more than the actual FG% on those jumpers, my Josh’s jumpers updates notwithstanding.

i get so bored when the same people bring up the same ole sh!t over and over. ;-)

Rod from College Park

March 14th, 2011
4:02 pm

nireclown,

The same way that Marvin Williams was supposed to be one of the best players on this team. Great talent evaluator you are.

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
4:29 pm

Remarkable how no matter what the topic conversation is, Rod manages to find a way to bring up his opinion of Marvin.

First, I’ve never claimed to be a great talent evaluator, Rod. You, on the other hand, have claimed to have played D1 basketball and deride the basketball knowledge of people who haven’t played at a high enough level. That makes your statement about drawing a charge leading to free throws – shall we say – questionable.

Second, I did (and do) think that Marvin was one of the 3-4 best players on this team back in ‘08-’09. I do not think that he is today.

Third, that offensive fouls do not lead to free throws is not an opinion. It is a fact. Opinions on the qualities of players are just that – opinions. Opinions on the quality of players may be supported or weakened by facts, but they are not facts themselves. Opinions can also change with time (well, except yours, apparently). You frequently confuse “opinions” with “facts” and declare that your opinions have been “proven” right, when in reality they can never proven right because they are opinions.

Fourth, I don’t think that playing high-level basketball is necessary to have a good working knowledge of basketball, nor is playing high-level basketball a guarantee that you have a good working knowledge of basketball. If it were, then Isiah Thomas and Kevin McHale would have made better head coaches and GMs than guys like Mike Fratello and Mark Warkentien.

Lastly, I didn’t realize that playing basketball at the college level or higher was a prerequisite to having opinions that can be shared on a blog. If it is, then we should all clear out of here and allow AJC to save the server space.

Rod from College Park

March 14th, 2011
7:02 pm

1. I only deride people like you and Vava, who post stupid stats, and make comments like Marvin Williams is one of the best players on the Hawks, and Tracy McGrady is a loser (Vava) because his team never got out of the first round.

2. The things I post about Marvin are not opinions, they are facts. The things I posted 3 years ago, have proven to be facts. You post opinions, and then try to post stats to validate your opinions. What you fail to understand is that stats fail to tell the whole story.

3. I attack clowns who have agendas against players with no real knowlege of the game. For instance your posting of Josh’s jumpers watch, but no posting of Joe Johnson’s jumpers watch, Marvin Williams jumpers watch, Jamal Crawford jumpers watch. Why single out Josh, they all have been terrible. You single him out without realizing that his coach keeps putting him offensively behind the 3 point line. His teammates continue to pass him the ball behind the 3 point line. Is the whole team dumb? Vava rails against Jamal with no reason for doing so. If you say Jamal is terrible this year because he is missing a ton of open jumpers, you have a case, but all the other ranting is pure hate. He never was a good defender, or a great point guard. He has made his name in this league for being a scorer. You both bash guys who come out and compete every night, and do their jobs, but you never post anything about a guy who comes out and give you virtually nothing every game.

4. If you lose a case, does that mean that you don’t have more knowledge about being a lawyer than me? Can I go down to the courthouse, watch a few cases in person, watch court cases on tv, and become a lawyer? Can I determine what the law profession entails by watching cases on TV? If you study, go to grad school, earn a law degree and practice law in the real world, you know a little more about the law profession than the average blogger. Isiah Thomas and Kevin Mchale have more basketball knowledge than you and Vava could ever dream of. Players don’t have to translate to good coaches and good coaches might not end up being great gm’s, but playing the game at a high level gives you a better perspective than two clowns on a blog. Stick to the cap stuff. You seem to at least be knowlegable about that.

5. If I posted all the questionable comments you have made, I would be posting from now to the end of the year. Get over yourself. When I make a comment about Marvin that is not true please let me know. Since you want to find old post, please find some of our old debates, post them, and let’s see who was right.

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
7:16 pm

When I make a comment about Marvin that is not true please let me know.

I remember you posting that Marvin fell over on 60% of his drives or something like that, and it took a few weeks of hounding by Sautee to admit that (objectively verifiable) statement was not correct. Most of the rest of your “comments” about Marvin are opinions, and thus incapable of being true or false.

Sorry, Rod. Still, you are unable to distinguish between your own opinion and facts. Opinions cannot be “proven to be facts.” They are opinions. Unless you’re some god I’m not aware of, you lack the capacity to make your own opinions into facts. It’s nothing new with you, so I’m not gonna bother with it more.

Have a nice day.

O'Brien

March 14th, 2011
7:44 pm

doc,

A breakout game for Bibby against Memphis yesterday. 17 pts (5-5 from 3), 4 assists in 25 minutes. I hope the Spurs put another whipping on the Heat tonight.

In the Lakers game, they went to Wade down the stretch (instead of LeBron), and it worked out a lot better. I think that will continue, and I think this will be close game in the 4th.

Rod from College Park

March 14th, 2011
8:08 pm

Can I become a lawyer or make an educated guess on what the law profession without practicing law? Answer the question clown. Marvin is not better than Josh. Is that not true? That’s what our whole debate stemmed from. Stop covering you a@% like lawyers do and admit when you are wrong. You have a better day CLOWN. Come to Atlanta, the circus is hiring.

Rod from College Park

March 14th, 2011
8:12 pm

“Since you want to find old post, please find some of our old debates, post them, and let’s see who was right.’

I did not think you would. Youv’e got time to post about everything else. Post that.

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
8:21 pm

Uh…can you become a lawyer without practicing law? You can become a member of the bar without practicing the law, yes, as long as you’ve been to law school. Can you make an educated guess about what the legal profession entails without practicing law? Absolutely. There are many, many “educated laymen” who contribute to and comment on the legal world in a constructive manner. How insightful your comments are will undoubtedly be proportional to the amount of time you’ve spent reading about the law. But I know plenty of trial lawyers who don’t know anything outside whatever trial lawyer niche they practice in, and one of my best law professors was a Jesuit priest who had never been to law school.

Is Marvin better than Josh? I would say that on most nights, no. And not as an all around player. But that is my opinion. Not a fact. Do you really not understand the difference between an opinion and a fact? That’s a rhetorical question, btw.

And now, I really am done with you.

doc

March 14th, 2011
8:52 pm

yeah o’b bibby is hot again wuth 7 straight 3’s. i expect him to have his games and help some in spurts. miami looks better of late and there is a resurgence of bosh going into the paint.

thanks for the heads up on the game. i hadnt noticed it being pretty busy of late. orlando and lakers to follow. i think the scheduling computer was told to hold all games of meaning to very specific times of the year.

doc

March 14th, 2011
11:35 pm

intresting take on josh from other blog:

northcyde

March 14th, 2011
10:11 pm

@ SB75

If there were 5 seconds left on the game clock, would you draw up a play to have the ball in Josh’s hands for him to shoot the ball?

If you were down 10 points to start the 4th quarter, would you expect Josh to have a big scoring quarter to get us back into the game?

Can Josh create his own shot off the dribble and score from multiple places on the court?

If you can’t answer YES to all 3 questions, then Josh Smith is NOT a scorer.

Monta Ellis is a scorer. Jason Terry is a scorer. Jamal Crawford is a scorer.

Josh isn’t a scorer. He’s a very good utility player. Or a better description . . he’s a “5-Tool Player””

That is a guy that fills the stat sheet by putting up numbers in the 5 major statistical categories:

- points
- rebounds
- assists
- blocks
- steals

Scorers can explode and get you 25 points in a game by literally taking over the game offensively.

Josh Smith is not that type of player..

When Smith “explodes” on the stat sheet, it usually looks like this:

16 points
9 rebounds
7 assists
5 blocks
3 steals

He dominates a game not by scoring, but by doing some of everything. That’s what makes him a 5-Tool Player and not a “scorer”.

the last thirty one games have shown night and day difference in what our scorers jamal and jj have been able to bring and our success has hung on what they have done. for 15 games stating in jan they were tearing it up and we went 11-4 making LD’s system look good. the next 16 games, not so good and our fortunes have followed at 5-11. in that great stretch jamal and jj had ~7 games over 30 and jj had another three of 28, 29 and 29. unfortuanately jj is struggling to get beyond the low teens since. yes, as big ray and others say and i agree he helps in many ways but he is our difference maker and scorer. until he comes together and becomes less indifferent we are going to struggle or someone else is going to have to show up and make him irrelevant. again, jamal and jj as scorers are the difference makers. they are the guys the ball goes to in crunch time. i hope last game shows jamal has begun to break out. if he follows up on it and jj follows suit, i will be as giddy as i was in january. if they dont, it will be a long month and quick exit as all the defense in the world doesnt help if you cant score the ball on the other end, which doesnt include a for sure post player to toss it to and have him score in close.

i hope josh and al both heard bosh say he had to go to the rim and take the pop out of the pick and roll. he said very strongly he was holding himself accountable for doing what was needed inside. miami had a fine game tonight, mighty fine. the same needs to be said for josh and al if we are to turn the boat around before it is too late. not sure either one is ready to go for it.

doc

March 15th, 2011
12:06 am

lakers come roaring back.

Rod from College Park

March 15th, 2011
12:14 am

Answered just like a lawyer. Josh is a better basketball player than Marvin, that is a fact. It was a fact 3 years ago, and it’s a fact to this day. Deal with it. Keep up with your jumpers watch updates (LOL).

Rod from College Park

March 15th, 2011
12:19 am

“He (Chills), Horford, and Marvin are the only solid players we’ve had in the past few years who are willing to give up a shot at gaudier stat lines to help the team win.” Niremetal

Great Post Clown.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 15th, 2011
1:39 am

“When given minutes he always produced. Did he show immaturity and lapses?

Off course he did, but Bibby was showing us NOTHING and still got his 30 minutes day in and day out and if not Bibby, it was Jamal getting the minutes at the PG slot.”

This, right here, is the most important point regarding Teague. If even someone of Kirk Hinrich’s caliber was here from day one, as opposed to a washed up one dimensional defensive sieve, the clamor for Teague would have been at a whisper.

vava74

March 15th, 2011
4:38 am

Rod,

Knowing how to physically play a game and knowing about the game are two different things.

You can hit ten three pointers in a row and never learned how to play the triangle offense, for instance.

Worse, you may even be able to get to know but never make the effort and base your whole career on your physical talent.

Jamal is a one dimensional streaky scorer and all the talent in the world he has to do his tricky dribbles and bait guys into 3+1 do not change the fact that he is unreliable and that his stock in the league is not that high.

And please, don’t come with the SMOY thing will you? He had a good year last year but his production was mostly early in the game (and this is fact – as is ATL’s defensive stats drop off with him on the floor).

O'Brien

March 15th, 2011
7:23 am

doc,

I thought the Heat would have a chance to win in the 4th. But to win by 30? Did not see that coming at all.

Bosh with 30 and 12. Are you ready to trade Josh for him?

And the Lakers beat the Magic. If the Hawks could have gone on a hot streak, they would have had a chance to catch the Magic.

doc

March 15th, 2011
8:23 am

big if o’b.

heat have been losing close, we were losing in double digits.

lakers put a whipping on them didnt they? bynum didnt shy away from superman at all, pretty even match up.

wordsmithtom

March 15th, 2011
9:22 am

Superiorblogman,
You won’t get punked when you speak to the policeman using the first name “sir”. You may not like the law, or the man who inforces it, but you disrespect at your own peril.

Cool Hand Luke
“What we have here is failure to communicate.”

John Cash
Folsom Prison Blues

Elvis Presley
Jail House Rock

Johnny Horton
“I faught the law, but the law won”

The 50’s-60’s white dominated media showed what happened to white punks/badasses. This is NOT a racial thing…it’s about the power of the majority. Civil society will not tolerate incivility. Ask the judge who sentenced the kid to life +60 for killing a bartender. Just not going to tolerate it. Glorify punkazz behavior all you want, and the white kids did this in the 50’s, but it ended up badly for them too.

Melvin

March 15th, 2011
9:38 am

Dept. of Unintended Irony = wordsmithtom???????? hmmmm

wordsmithtom

March 15th, 2011
9:58 am

Melvin, that would indeed be unintended irony. Not me, though I do find him clever.

Just sayin’. Josh Powell “cleaned up his act” by shedding the dreds. But, he didn’t show leadership by punking the police who were directing traffic. LEADERSHIP lacking. He can redeem himself by apologizing and doing community service. But, he is on the WRONG side of the law and of civil society. That’s all I’m sayin’.

Anyone who glorifies punkazz behavior, be he a hip hopper or a 50’s t-shirt wearing James Dean deals with the law in the same way. Disrespect,,,and disrespect yields more disrespect.

Yen never yields yang….

doc

March 15th, 2011
10:19 am

yang never yields yin.

wordsmithtom

March 15th, 2011
10:23 am

LOL yin yield 10% less yen than yesterday. Thanks for the correction doc. My spelling is atrocious.

All’s what I’z sayin’ is: Man who walk around with azz on shoulders will have it flushed every time.

JP needs to be praying for the poor soul whom the officers were trying to escort to hospital. He needs to be down on his knees. Period.

Yes, there are rogue policemen, just as there are rogue businessmen, rogue teachers, rogue anything human. But, one conducts themselves in the high calling of life, good will prevail in the long run.

vava74

March 15th, 2011
10:28 am

Is this enough leadership by JJ?:

“I was in a similar position as Jeff,” Joe said. “Back in my first and second year in the league, my minutes were sporadic. Whenever I got a chance to play I always produced and tried to do my best. When Phoenix traded away Penny and Steph, I just kind of blossomed.

“I look at Jeff as the same way. He’s got unbelievable talent, speed, explosive. He has all the tools. He’s confidence is the only thing left. Once he gets his confidence he is going to be a beast.”

niremetal

March 15th, 2011
10:37 am

Make it simple, guys: ¥

doc

March 15th, 2011
10:42 am

yes word, sadly the yen is dropping, very tragic situation. moon the closest to earth now on many 100’s of thousand years exerting its full power. naw, pure hogwash, right?

actually yin within yang and vice versa always yielding to each other in harmony. doubt powell in harmony only late to the game and pissed off he had to wait and maybe be fined or just worried he would have to get a real parking spot and have to walk. his concerns were much greater than whomever was in trouble needing an ambulance. anyway, poor judgment on his part.

funny the blogger criticizing “the man” seems to overlook the fact powell already had a run in with the law of the hawks in LD and sat a game for his insubordination. got to wonder what is going through his head right now. hope he finds right action in his heart or he is going to be out of the league soon. you got to do more than cut dreds to lead.

wordsmithtom

March 15th, 2011
10:52 am

Happy to see JT get a quality start: one where he gets consistent minutes throughout. His kind of speed can open up lanes for Josn and Horf. I do agree with Superiorblogman on one thing. I like JJ at the 3 here with MW coming off the bench. This is the pre-Shaq setup Boston used when they moved Pierce to the 3 and that yielded many plusses. We still don’t have an inforcing 5. Perhaps that gets addressed this summer, as I think it will if we get new ownership and new GM. But, of the guys we have, JJ fits at 3 better than 2…..and NEVER should be used as a 1 when you have a JT available.

Dept. of Unintended Irony

March 15th, 2011
11:49 am

superiorblogman

March 15th, 2011
3:18 am

Enough said. Irony doesn’t get much thicker than a racist trying his best to justify his hate. As if, lol.

O'Brien

March 15th, 2011
11:52 am

Al should be playing tonight.

LD could shoose to go with the same lineup (Teague, Hinrich, JJ, Josh and Al), but since Collins started the previous 2 games against the Bucks, I think LD will go with the big lineup of Twin, Al, Josh, and JJ.

However, who will be the starting PG? Will Teague get the start again? I dont think LD will start him, but I think Teague should start regardless of whether LD goes big or small.

vava74

March 15th, 2011
12:09 pm

OB,

If LD does not start Teague tonight he may damage his psyche irreversibly.

Hinrich is a grown man and will not question LD’s choice.

MC’s blog clearly indicated that LD is only considering to play Teague-Hinrich as a combo, so there is a pretty good chance that he will remove one of them from the line up.

O'Brien

March 15th, 2011
1:59 pm

MC’s tweet;

•#Hawks starters vs. #Bucks: Teague, Hinrich, Johnson, Smith, @Al_Horford. Johnson to wear headband for skin infection on head.

So LD is going with the Teague-Hinrich combo again. I did not think he would…

niremetal

March 15th, 2011
2:04 pm

Good to see. If he didn’t give Teague the starting nod after Saturday…

Melvin

March 15th, 2011
2:49 pm

““Usually at the two and the three it’s going to be very similar,” Drew said. “He will be defending the same type of actions. At the one it’s just totally different. One thing is that at the two and the three he will probably be in more switchable situations, which should help in defending some of the stagger screens and misdirection stuff. ”

I being saying for years that the 2 and 3 positions are similar, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Now you may have to make adjustments on the defensive side depending on the opposing team wing players.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 15th, 2011
5:24 pm

“Now you may have to make adjustments on the defensive side depending on the opposing team wing players.”

This is the important part. It really just depends on the matchup. Much like Al can play center against most teams but can’t against a few teams, whether or not Joe should be at the 2 or the 3 really just depends on who is guarding him.

In Joe’s case, his game and strengths are not really very similar to those of most 2-guards anyway. Really, if he can’t post up the opposing 2 guard, playing him at the 2 is a disadvantage to him since he doesn’t have the quickness to take most people off the dribble. At the 3, though, it’s conceivable that he’d have more success driving (although that remains to be proven).

Ken Strickland

March 15th, 2011
7:10 pm

OBRIEN-I didn’t think he would either, but I guess he finally got it through his thick Woodson like skull that PG matchups are just as important, if not more so, as C matchups.

At this stage in his development, Teague can’t score outside like Bibby or Hinrich, but his ability to penetrate and break down DEF’s adds a much needed dimension. His ability to take his man off the dribble using speed and quickness, rather than relying on clearouts and pounding the ball, is invaluable when we’re not hitting our jump shots.

Starting Teague and Hinrich in the back court gives us additional speed, quickness, DEF, and a major weapon at SF with JJ, as well as greatly improve our perimeter DEF. I think it’s a given that Jamal won’t be resigned. However, I don’t see it as a major loss if we’re selective in who we replace him with.

Even now with Jamal, we need another scoring option off the bench, because he’s so streaky and needs to control the ball to be effective, which can make him difficult for some to play with. I’m beginning to see a lot of the old DWilkins coming out, and you can see him gaining more and more confidence in his OFF gm.

He’s not deferring like he was earlier, and he’s taking shots he never even considered taking earlier. If things continue to shape up, like the impact and development of JTeague, KHinrich and DWilkins, along with Zaza’s new found energy, we might have a lot to say about who represents the East in the NBA finals.

vava74

March 15th, 2011
7:54 pm

WTF ia happening JJ? is he wearing the headband as I read on MC’s blog?

If so, could this be his game’s “missing link”? :-D

Melvin

March 15th, 2011
8:04 pm

Joe needs to wear that headband more often…

Sautee

March 15th, 2011
8:13 pm

Gotta be the headband. :-)

(Spike reference for those confused)

Melvin

March 15th, 2011
8:13 pm

I hope Joe shoot like this against Miami on Friday….

Melvin

March 15th, 2011
8:15 pm

Well damn, Jordan is starting for the Wiz tonight…

Sautee

March 15th, 2011
8:15 pm

KenS,

Co-sign on Damien. Now if LD will just put him in.

Big Ray

March 15th, 2011
8:17 pm

superiorblogman ,

Two things:

1) Here was my post, read the first sentence carefully –

“My experience leads me to have ZERO sympathy for Powell in connection with this incident, assuming it is accurate . Inexcusable behavior. Not simply because he failed to follow the directions of an officer, but because of the complete disregard for the victim in the emergency vehicle (or the one they may have been going to get) , as well as the personnel who were trying to perform that often thankless job.”

The last part of that sentence is commonly called a caveat. My opinion is based on the assumption that the reported incident is accurate in its description. If it’s not, then my opinion changes. However, I’m not going to get into arguments about whether or not one should believe what is reported in the news. Because if we do, then you may as well say that the media is a bunch of power hungry individuals who are reporting things how they choose to see them. But, I digress….my point is that your suggestion that those of us who commented on the Josh Powell situation are a bunch of fools who think they know what happened…is plain wrong. We don’t know that it happened the way it was reported. Just like you don’t know that it DIDN’T happen that way. Can’t prove either way.

2) I don’t take offense to your opinion on law enforcement and emergency services, and even if I did, it’s not something to take personally (even if you are describing your resentment against somebody like me, who serves in that profession). I certainly have no problems with your opinions overall, as this is what a blog is for.

However, the race-baiting comments you made have no place on this blog. Please refrain from such conversations here. That isn’t just you, that goes for everybody .

niremetal

March 15th, 2011
8:31 pm

Maybe Joe should get head wounds more often.

niremetal

March 15th, 2011
8:35 pm

I think JJ’s career high is 42. He has 36 now with 3 minutes left in the 3rd, but he always seems to stop shooting when he gets this close…