Atlanta Hawks – Slippery slope part II

It’s happening again. The Atlanta Hawks are slipping, and they’re gaining speed as they go down the slope of losing. Sure, teams struggle and that is the nature of the game. Struggling like this is a different story, though.

Writing On the Wall

Rick Sund said the Hawks were essentially playing to stay within the 3rd to 5th seed range of the playoffs. Perhaps we can guess that this means retaining as much as the 5th seed in a conference that has experienced some major moves that have increased the talent level, is acceptable. Maybe this is a reasonable thought, considering that the Hawks would have been hard-pressed to make any moves that could match the splashy significant of the triumvirate in Miami, the acquisition of Carmelo Anthony in New York, or the move that brought Deron Williams to New Jersey. In fact, the only move the Hawks did make seemed rather vanilla to most folks. Sure, it was a good move, but it was never going to be enough. Sund indicated that what the Hawks needed most was to change from within.

So, as the Hawks’ chemistry continues to be a problem, what seemed a distant threat at one time is now creeping up with a nearly inevitable feel – the Hawks are going to fall into the lower seeds of the playoff bracket. Fortunately, they won’t have to worry about falling completely out of the playoffs. Indiana is currently the 8th seed in the conference with a whopping 27 wins, while trying to stave off Charlotte, who has an identical record. So, the Hawks don’t have to worry about teams that are 10 games behind them.

But what of New York and Philadelphia, the current sixth and seventh seeds in the Eastern Conference?

 The Knicks now have a serious swagger and the talent to back it up. They still don’ t play defense well enough to win against the upper echelon of either conference on a consistent basis, but they’re a more credible threat than most, what with their star power. At 34 victories and with a 6-4 record in their last 10 games, the Knicks could overtake the stumbling Hawks.

The Sixers are going about their business much more quietly, but they too have now managed 34 victories after beating Boston tonight. Their record in the last 10 games? Eight victories, two losses. Like the Knicks, the Sixers have struggled at times against the better teams in the League, but they’ve pretty much stomped on those with inferior records. Worse yet, they have something else in common with New York – both have proven they can beat the Hawks into the hardwood this season.

Can Atlanta win enough to keep these two teams in their current places? Or is the writing already on the wall?

 

Cancelled Due to a Lack of Interest…

The way things are going, I can’t tell who is less interested right now – the fans or the players. Maybe both realize that not much is going to change this season. It was nice for a minute, watching the Hawks play better defense. However, this offensive ineptitude gets tiring really quickly. Some moments, the team seems like they’re sleepwalking while one player tries to do too much (usually resulting in a turnover these days). Other moments show frustration from some players (again…usually resulting in a turnover) and perplexingly subpar play from the team’s best players. All the while, the post game quotes and comments are becoming more and more bleak. Or should we say, apathetic? Larry Drew seems to have lost or let go of the reins to this stagecoach.  Tonight’s game clearly showed that once again, he’s talking to nobody in particular when it comes to his game plan. Are his days numbered as well?

It’s not that the Hawks are the only team struggling. There have been tears in Miami and anger and outrage in Orlando.  Even fans of the reining League Champs have something to gripe about. No, the Hawks aren’t the only ones with problems. But it just might be that they are the only ones who don’t seem to care.

 

UP NEXT

With 17 games left to play, the Hawks return to Atlant for a six game homestand that may or may not help stabilize things. First on tap are the Portland Trailblazers, a team that Atlanta beat on the road a couple of weeks ago with doses of offensive effectiveness from Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford. Between the lackluster play from the Hawks and the Blazers’ dual bid of wresting 5th place from Denver while staving off 7th place New Orleans, there is just no way to predict how this might turn out. But if the Hawks can’t find a way to motivate themselves to play better at home (at least), then they are likely to keep right on sliding….

 

….right down that slippery slope.

 

 

Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest Blog

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Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
9:53 pm

STRETCH ,

Well in light of that new knowledge, I could just change my name to Compact Ray. In the meantime, what do you think of the Blazers game?

niremetal

March 12th, 2011
10:01 pm

Teague played like a man on a mission tonight. And it started with him being aggressive right out of the gate. If he keeps it up, he should keep his starting job. JT earned the right to stay on the floor tonight, and it’s one of the few times he’s done that so far in his career. We need him to keep that up.

The rest of the team was uneven. Josh was all over the place (in both good and bad ways). Zaza was pretty good despite the fact that refs were calling touch fouls on him. Jamal was on. Joe continued his Marvin impression. Marvin stepped up on the boards and played his usual very good defense.

And Josh Powell is in jail.

niremetal

March 12th, 2011
10:01 pm

Ok, maybe he’s not in jail, but still:

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks/hawks-player-arrested-outside-870433.html

Blocking an ambulance? Really, Josh? Wtf is wrong with you?

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
10:04 pm

You know, I had gotten to the point of where I just didn’t want to record games I knew I was going to miss. The one time I don’t do it, THIS happens.

That said, I was glad to see the following –

1) Larry Drew actually follow through on the oft-hinted at “lineup changes.” Of course, one of those changes was forced (Horford being out).

2) Jeff Teague doing his thing from start to finish of a game. It did the young fella good, and it would have still done him some good if the results hadn’t been as successful as they were. Of course, we do have to temper our enthusiasm. We can’t expect him to do this every game, and he’s still in his learning curve. But tonight’s results were decidedly positive and along the type that make you feel like maybe he’s not an Acie Law part II….not that any of us were thinking that to begin with, right? ;)

This stat line deserves another look – 44 minutes played, 24 points/5steals/3assists/just 1 turnover/4rebounds/3 blocked shots???

3) 13 turnovers. Although, it was bothersome to see that Josh and Joe combined for 9 of them. At least everybody else was taking care of the ball.

4) Marvin off the bench. We don’t have anybody (other than when we play Joe at the 3) who shows they clearly should start over Marvin right now, but Marvin just seems to be more effective off the bench. I don’t know if he’s more motivated that way or what. It’s doesn’t seem to bother me when he comes off the bench and gets 4 points and a handful of rebounds. When he’s in the starting lineup, it bugs the crap out of me. How about you?

5) Josh being effective on the boards.

6) Jamal having a good game on the offensive end.

7) Damien Wilkins just keeps proving his worth.

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
10:05 pm

#8 – Zaza was solid. Foul trouble plagues him sometimes, but he also gets a rough job done on him by the refs at times. I like his zest when he gets good minutes.

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
10:09 pm

Niremetal ,

My experience leads me to have ZERO sympathy for Powell in connection with this incident, assuming it is accurate. Inexcusable behavior. Not simply because he failed to follow the directions of an officer, but because of the complete disregard for the victim in the emergency vehicle (or the one they may have been going to get) , as well as the personnel who were trying to perform that often thankless job.

doc

March 12th, 2011
10:10 pm

hopefully a coming out partyof sorts. good game to see at the phil.

well done hawks!

niremetal

March 12th, 2011
10:17 pm

Ray,

No argument from me. At all.

O'Brien

March 12th, 2011
10:18 pm

As much as I think LD deserves some heat for the way he handled Teague, Teague deserves some heat as well. Why hasnt he played this well before? I hope he can keep it going, because when he starts, and we bring Hinrich off the bench, that eliminates having to play Jamal at backup PG.

Big Ray,

Marvin played good defense, and rebounded well, while Damien gave us the points. I think those 2 make a good SF combination (although LD gave marvin some minutes at backup PF tonight).

I agree with you. I think Marvin plays better off the bench. And ZaZa gave a good effort too.

Maybe LD should go with Teague, JJ, Josh, Al and ZaZa more often. However, I wish LD would tell Josh to give up the ball on the break. We dont need him trying to play PG all the time.

doc

March 12th, 2011
10:43 pm

i could actually get used to a starting five of teague, hinrich, jj, josh and al. i’d much prefer jj at three than josh. make marvin a back up at three and four to get his minutes, d. wilkins at two along with moving jj there from time to time depending on match ups.

not sure of the match ups but it seems roy is playing more three than two. his mobility is very limited to what i remember of him. he could go through traffic like it wasnt there, no more.

zaza and teague were really strong along with wilkins. he is such a pro out there doing the little things that turn out big.

josh’s knee seems much better tonight and he seemed to be more to his usual movement. that bodes well for the future as he looked pitiful trying to skywalk on one leg.

many smiles on the wrap up of nire @10:01.

Melvin

March 12th, 2011
11:59 pm

It’s nice to see one of our bench guys/non rotational player score a career high. Nice game Teague… Keep playing Teague (KTP), LD….

Najeh Davenpoop

March 13th, 2011
12:49 am

Why the long faces about Powell’s arrest? Sure, it is a total douchebag move on his part, but maybe this means the DASG releases him. As far as I’m concerned, if this will mean he doesn’t play any more for this team, that would be fantastic.

doc

March 13th, 2011
8:35 am

no long faces only those with an incredulous look on it najeh.

long faces are seeing him on the court.

the disgusted look was when we got him in the first place and tried to pass him off as someone who could really help the team.

another rick sund misfire that blows up in his face. etan and josh powell, serious jokes to be getting paychecks in the league; oh yeah both supplemented by the nba. isnt it sort of a welfare plan for the askg.

doc

March 13th, 2011
9:30 am

man, bulls within decimals of being in the lead. whether the hawks make a run or not the playoffs could be really good this year. bulls, celts, heat and magic on one side with the oakies, lakers, spurs and mavs fighting off the pretenders before getting serious. what about the bulls and lakers in the finals? man that month of craziness on tnt leading up to it could be classic. the nba has surpassed march madness which i used to love back in the day when there was continuity before the kids made a play to move up to the nba. just cant get excited about college ball anymore.

Steven A.

March 13th, 2011
10:01 am

Big Ray

4) Marvin off the bench. We don’t have anybody (other than when we play Joe at the 3) who shows they clearly should start over Marvin right now, but Marvin just seems to be more effective off the bench. I don’t know if he’s more motivated that way or what. It’s doesn’t seem to bother me when he comes off the bench and gets 4 points and a handful of rebounds. When he’s in the starting lineup, it bugs the crap out of me. How about you?

I could not agree more. Marvin seems lost when he starts. He wants to be a scorer. I would put him in the post on the second unit. Very few jump shots. He is an excellent freethrow shooter.

vava74

March 13th, 2011
10:45 am

Just finished watching the game. A few notes:

1. The Portland guys were wasted, so that made things A LOT easier.

2. This was Teague first real opportunity (I’ll explain) and he made the best out of it doing exactly what I always though he was able to do.

He had some trouble playing the half court offense and still bricked a couple of teardrops but Rome was not built on one day.

I said “first opportunity” above since this was the first time he started AS A VOLUNTARY OPTION BY LD and not by default – injuries and trades.

This makes a heck of a difference in relation to getting the go ahead with a bottom line of “tomorrow X will be back and will start” or “tomorrow Z will arrive from the trade and will start”.

3. Zaza also played with a lot of energy and fought for every ball. Some of us have been saying that probably the best way of extracting value out of Zaza is to start him since he is very “minutes/incentive sensitive”. I think this was a good example that this could be indeed true.

4. Josh would have had an excellent game if he had not thrown away so many stupid passes.

5. Last, but not the least, we were saved by the “two foul rule” this time: when Jamal picked his second and went to the bench, we got back to the game to end the 1st quarter in style and played a “hard-fought-hair-in-the-chest” type of basketball throughout the 2nd quarter instead of the powder puff stuff we have been putting.

On the second half that type of bball rubbed in on Jamal – coped with the fact that he did not play PG and POR were tired – allowing him to play well on both ends.

So, due to a lucky event, LD used Jamal as he should always be used: put him in, if he struggles to start going, pull him out without too much ceremony, then try again later and if he struggles again, keep him on the bench, if not and he is balling, try to maximize his minutes and his production (AND NEVER AT THE PG SLOT).

Throwdown40

March 13th, 2011
10:55 am

Atlanta does need a change,,,starting with Rick Sund. Then get a new Head Coach. Trade Josh Smith which is a good player but has no disipline, and the worthless Marvin Williams to Orlando. Sign Dwight Howard and shave the bench that they do not use for real role players.

niremetal

March 13th, 2011
11:39 am

Gee, why didn’t I think of that.

Steven A.

March 13th, 2011
11:57 am

Where is Dr. Phil when you need him?

Right now Larry Drew seems to be a double-minded man. Very unstable in his basketball decisions.
Players are human beings, and human beings need continuity. “You cannot make sense out of
nonsense.’

Dude needs Dr. Phil.

Sautee

March 13th, 2011
12:51 pm

NOTE: Please excuse my non-Hawks post:

This is for all you “older” folks who can appreciate it:

Today (actually tonight) is the 40th anniversary of The Allman Bothers Fillmore East concerts. Most of the material for the generally acknowledged “best live album ever” was recorded on March 13, 1971.

I was fortunate enough to see the original band (with Duane and Berry Oakley) dozens of times including many at Piedmont Park in the Spring and Summer of 1969. We had no idea that they would get so popular, we just knew that was some of the best blues-rock we’d ever heard.

So today, I’ll listen to the Fillmore East concert in memory of a fine time, and some of the best live music anyone has ever made.

Anybody else go to Piedmont Park for those free concerts?

Sautee

March 13th, 2011
12:52 pm

I think I like Allman Bothers better than Allman Brothers, don’t you?

O'Brien

March 13th, 2011
1:52 pm

Not only was Josh Powell signed to contribute on the court, but the comment was made that they like his leadership (or his presence in the locker room, something like that).

Well, so far, he has been suspended (1 game) for conduct detrimental to the team, and now he has been arrested. Combine that with his poor play on the court, and it makes it a double disaster signing by Rick. The only thing that would have been worse is if Rick had signed him for 2 years.

Damien has been a good signing, but Rick’s hand was forced, because Marvin and Mo had missed time, and JJ was also hurt. Hinrich was a good trade (imo), but once again, Rick’s hand was forced by Bibby’s rapid decline, and the team’s lackluster play.

As for Etan, maybe Rick is a fan of his poetry. Overall, I wish Rick would be more proactive, and less reactive.

Sautee

March 13th, 2011
2:11 pm

O’B,

“Overall, I wish Rick would be more proactive, and less reactive.”

That’s been a theme of mine about mgmt. since 07-08.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 13th, 2011
2:49 pm

In the few minutes Etan has played he actually hasn’t looked that bad. Small sample size makes his stats mostly irrelevant, but it’s still worth noting that his advanced stats put him near the top of the list for the Hawks this season. At the very least, he’s a tough guy who can crash the boards and commit some hard fouls on nights when Zaza is ineffective, and even on Zaza’s best day Etan’s hands are no worse than Zaza. I’m not advocating for his role to be expanded, but he should be active ahead of and getting more minutes than Powell, who belongs in the D-League.

O'Brien

March 13th, 2011
3:29 pm

Not only is it a small sample size for Etan, but the games in which he has played is probably better suited for him. So his numbers are likely to look ok.

But there is no reason for Powell to get consistent minutes (imo). As doc points out, I think LD is better off playing Marvin as the backup PF.

wordsmithtom

March 13th, 2011
4:42 pm

Sautee, those free Piedmont Park concerts were “Far Out”. Remember Mother’s Finest, Wet Willie, the Hampton Grease Band and countless others. The Allmonds were the best, but there were so many willing to jam. FWIW, Greg’s new album may be his best solo effort….a combination of hillbilly roots music and down home blues. Greg actually singing gospel based songs with conviction. Cool stuff.

O’Brien, Big 10/4 on Marvin playing backup at 3/4 with Powell riding the pines. Better player by a country mile. No question.

Etan has shown effort in his few appearances. I’m ok with what he’s offered, considering the dearth of opportunity coach his given him.

Finally a start for Teague where he doesn’t get an early pull. We NEED more of this.

doc

March 13th, 2011
7:03 pm

o’b co-sign comments earlier. etan was strong during the month of black history on the board every night with an intro. besides that and his criticism of fans for wearing lakers jerseys he pretty much has been a no show. did see his recent game where he showed a bit of motor but i was not impressed as it seemed forced and a bit out of control.

o’b, also glad we are in agreement on the best way to utilize marvin as a 20-25 minute a night guy max at 3 and 4. get me 6 pt and 6 rebounds and it will mean more than the no shows. if he plays against second stringers it will help his effectiveness. ;-)

see i got a bit of old company talking the good times when 10th street area was a dive and center for hallucinogens in the big a. word, sautee, jss, myk, the list goes on for the mature hawk set. heh heh

Sautee

March 13th, 2011
8:06 pm

doc,

Far out, man. ;-)

wordsmithtom,

Yeah I was in on all of those and more. My band back then was called Flint and we were a horn band who could rock and roll as well. We shared an agent for a while with Mother’s Finest and the Grease Band, and Harold Kelling (r.i.p. buddy) from the Grease Band gave me my first guitar lesson. We opened for the ABB at the Free Stage the Thursday night before the Atlanta Pop Festival.

I guess we’re really old farts now, 40 some years later.

Big Ray

March 13th, 2011
8:09 pm

Sautee and Doc ,

Y’all are scaring me. I can hear this song in the back of my head “Momma told me not to go…..”

:lol:

Najeh ,

Agreed on Josh Powell. Also, you made some sharp points on MC’s blog in regard to Teague and LD.

LD is being just a bit disingenuous when it comes to Teague and his playing time. I agree that Teague has not always been as aggressive as he needs to be, which has affected his play. But to sit there and say “I knew it all along…” Ehhhh….DNPs don’t prove that theory at all.

Big Ray

March 13th, 2011
8:31 pm

As far as I’m concerned, Etan and Hilton make Powell a non-need.

We don’t need the points he sometimes provides nearly as much as we need the physical play that Etan and Hilton can probably give.

Astro Joe

March 13th, 2011
8:43 pm

Melvin, I completely missed the game. I read about Teague’s play around 11:30 last night on my cellphone. So I have no ability to comment, but I look forward to seeing him the next time around.

Did he play PG is my first question? I heard that Hinrich started but didn’t play much. As you recall, I initially compared Teague to Lou WIlliams, a true SG forced to try and play PG because of is lack of size.

I’m just glad that the Hawks won… at this point I don’t care if they brought back Antoine Walker and Cedric Bozeman. But it does feel a little bot like “desperate times require desperate measures”. Again, I’m just glad it worked.

BravesFan79

March 14th, 2011
1:30 am

Ray: you do a good job on here man of talking back to pple and giving your honest opinion. Im gonna have 2 check out this blog more often.
I was hoping the Hawks would land Nash, its a shame his last years are going 2 waste in Pheonix. The suns should of kept Amare, and added a few more pieces to give Nash another chance at a title. The Suns really screwed up, and i cant see them getting to the finals in the next 10 years at least, once Nash is gone.

BravesFan79

March 14th, 2011
1:33 am

The team that really screwed up at the trade deadline was the Mavs. They should of done all they could to land Nash! J Kidd is overrated and cannot shoot (even tho hes improved since his Nets days) well enough to lead them to a Title. Those Spurs vs Nets games were so predictable…. cover everyone but Kidd.. and allow him to clank away from 3 pt land, Josh Smith style.

BravesFan79

March 14th, 2011
1:38 am

Josh Powell is obviously a self centered retard. Such a shame that punks like that make all that money, while teachers and other useful members of society make pennies in comparison.
We could replace him with any big body out of the NBA and it wouldnt matter.

BravesFan79

March 14th, 2011
1:41 am

Does anyone else think the Hawks slipping to 6th or 7th wouldnt really be a bad thing?
A series against Miami or Chicago would be more exciting to watch, and give us a better chance to win than once again going against Orlando.

O'Brien

March 14th, 2011
6:26 am

AJ,

Teague played PG, while Hinrich played SG. However, I agree with your assessment on Teague not being a prototypical PG. However, this being a motion offense (even if we don’t see it very often) does not require a traditional PG, so I think Teague should be able to handle the point as he improves and LD rewards him with PT.

Next up is the Bucks, who scored 56 points against the Celtics. That is a game the Hawks have to win.

BravesFan79,

I agree that playing Miami or Chicago in the playoffs might not be a bad thing for the Hawks. However, the way the season is going, we have no idea about the 1 and 2 seed. Boston and Chicago are close, so either team might end up as the 1 seed. And I don’t think the Hawks want any part of Boston in the first round.

Therefore, our best bet (imo) is to finish 5th or 6th. Stay away from 7th.

superiorblogman

March 14th, 2011
8:43 am

LMAO at any moron that bows down to another human being just because he or she wears a badge. Kinda the same reason a 90 year old woman ended up dead here in Atlanta a couple of years back. They really helped my sister when some gay white man stole her purse in her richy neighborhood. Yeah right, they helped her by telling her they never had those type of problems before. Police and the 911 people are notorious power hungry pieces of crap. Josh Powell probably did nothing wrong they were just trying to be on a power trip and show the hot shot NBA player who was really running things. Fools on this blog trying to act like they know the situation only show that they have not had many life experiences outside this blog.

O'Brien

March 14th, 2011
8:53 am

AJ, doc,

Chipper and McLouth have looked much better this spring than I thought they would. I think the Braves win the wild card, with 85-90 wins.

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
9:06 am

Man…it’s going off like a 5-alarm fire.

Dept. of Unintended Irony

March 14th, 2011
9:33 am

“Police and the 911 people are notorious power hungry pieces of crap.”

LOL, if the po-po and the 911 folks are SO power hungry why do they work for paupers wages? Dolt.

Perhaps since you are so upset about this you should move to a country without police and emergency services. You obviously don’t deserve them.

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
9:36 am

There’s a thread going on Hawksquawk about the seeming tension developing between Kirk and Josh. I thought this particular pair of pictures was too priceless not to post here:
http://www.hawksquawk.net/community/index.php/topic/357234-so-whats-the-deal-with-josh-and-kirk/page__view__findpost__p__500401

Rufus1

March 14th, 2011
9:55 am

Playing Teague might get LD FIRED!!!

If Teague continues to play at a high level, ASG is going to be very upset. They just gave up 2 1st rd picks to solve our PG problem and the solution may have been on the roster……I would be PISSED!!

LD’s stubborn insistance on trying to make Jamal” The turnover” Crawford a PG and the lack of control over Josh, won’t help his cause. Also, JC2 playing at a high level in Washington, plus the terrible offensive play lately(LD is an Offensive coach)does not look good for him.

Prediction #1…. Teague will play because LD is coaching for his job now.

Prediction #2…LD will be coaching highschool next year.

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
10:14 am

Right out the gate against Portland, he was hawking his man and driving the ball aggressively. Same was true against Phoenix and GS a couple weeks ago. But no one can say with a straight face that he’s always done that. You don’t need minutes to move your feet on defense or even to take the ball to the rim instead of simply handing it off to Jamal. If Teague had come out every time really getting after his man on defense, that would be one thing. But he didn’t. He defended with his hands (resulting in lots of reach-in fouls) and then handed the ball off to Jamal on the other end.

He played well Saturday night. He’s played well several times before. The problem is that he hasn’t been consistent even with the things that you don’t need minutes to do consistently, and young players on playoff teams can’t expect to be gifted minutes just to build their confidence.

All that said, he beasted Saturday night and I hope he keeps it up. We need him to.

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
10:14 am

Oops, wrong blog…

vava74

March 14th, 2011
10:43 am

nire,

Sometimes you’ll find people who need a treatment different than the norm to extract from them their potential. Teague clearly needed a clear vote of confidence and not to feel LD looking over his shoulder.

Also, IMO PGs are only “made” or “lost” with starter minutes and not by slowly developing them.

There are few examples of PGs who started slowly and then evolved into quality players than the opposite.

In most cases PGs have breakout seasons when they have an opportunity to play consistently rather than being brought along as subs.

Teague played against POR up to the level I always thought he would be able to because he was nominated a Starter (capital “S”) and not a “stop gap starter” whilst someone was injured or a traded player was still not with the team or not yet acclimated.

It’s unacceptable that an HC which finds all and any excuses to forgive Josh for his antics is not able to be less “square” when dealing with Teague.

It would have cost him ZERO wins to, during January-February when Bibby was going down fast, to speak with him and tell him that he wanted to give Teague a chance and that that time had come.

The fact that he did not do it before the trade evidences LD’s poor/limited ability as an HC to both launch a young player and give him the confidence to build upon mistakes and to control and appease a vet which would go to the bench.

With the above I am not saying that I am sure – or even very confident – that Teague will emulate POR’s game tomorrow, against a much faster – and fresher – Jennings, but nonetheless I will be very disappointed if LD does not give him at least 30 minutes of burn.

IMO our guard rotation should be – a fixed fixture – a three headed monster with Teague, Hinrich and JJ playing ±30 minutes each with JJ shifting to SF to accommodate Jamal’s EVENTUAL minutes which should be monitored and controlled closely on a “he is on, keep him in, he is off, take him out” basis.

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
11:08 am

Sorry, vava. There are plenty of good reasons to think that LD is poor/limited as a head coach. Not gifting Teague minutes is not one of them. Again, Teague hasn’t been consistent even with the things that he didn’t need minutes to do consistently. This is the NBA, a playoff team, not the D-League. You earn minutes a step at a time. Teague didn’t earn them.

Josh is different. He’d been around 7 years when LD took over. He’s a borderline All-Star. He helps this team with his help and transition D even when he’s making boneheaded plays on offense. I’m sorry, but do you honestly think there is a coach in the league who wouldn’t be cutting Josh WAY more slack than Teague at this stage in their respective careers? And even if they were treated the same, are you denying that Josh has been a better player than Teague this year and thus has earned more slack??

You have to earn your place in the NBA one brick at a time. You start by giving the team SOMEthing in a few minutes a game. Teague didn’t do that most times he hit the floor. He didn’t defend, he didn’t attack, and he didn’t make hustle plays. If Jamal is so damned bad, then Teague should have taken the reins himself like he did when he played with the starters on Saturday.

I probably would have shaken up the lineup sooner than LD did (though not seeing what happens in practice, I obviously am going on less than 100% information). But it wouldn’t be because Teague deserved more minutes. It was because this team needed a shakeup.

This is the big leagues. If you need your hand held in order to build your confidence, you probably won’t get anywhere. Young players have to look inside themselves to find what it takes to be a player at this level on a playoff team.

vava74

March 14th, 2011
1:52 pm

Sorry nire, but I strongly disagree.

HC deal with people, not machines.

Dealing with people requires the ability to use different methods when faced with different personalities.

Good HCs also show an knack to think out of the box and take gambles.

Some people/players need a vote of trust to fulfill their potential and with a vote of trust they jump start their games and shortly after they can do it on their own.

I also disagree that Teague had not yet shown anything similar to what we saw Saturday: strongly disagree.

The game in BOS was no different than this game: quick hands in the perimeter, good showing in the lane to double team, jets on his feet and dunks.

When given minutes he always produced. Did he show immaturity and lapses?

Off course he did, but Bibby was showing us NOTHING and still got his 30 minutes day in and day out and if not Bibby, it was Jamal getting the minutes at the PG slot.

INEXCUSABLE

People – you obviously included – have been excessively critical of Teague’s mistakes whilst manufacturing the myth that Bibby could compensate his shortcomings with his savvy, a notion which after a certain point of the season was reduced to a joke.

I’ll give you an example: Teague still gets baited frequently into fakes who end up generating many FTs, including several 3FTA.

Just recently Maynor, who has been lauded as a much more mature PG got baited exactly the same way by Lou Williams in Philly. Some of these “mistakes” happen also because the guy on the team is a specialist.

I don’t recall if it was this year or last when Teague got baited by Lou into 3FTA, but I remember that IMMEDIATELY after that happened he was pulled from the floor, Maynor, wasn’t and played the next 6 minutes.

To use square pegs all the time will no doubt collide with the realization that some holes are round.

As for Josh, LD managed to ruin the “only” positive job that Woody made: the fact is that Josh has regressed since last year’s all star play.

vava74

March 14th, 2011
1:53 pm

“…because the guy on the other team is a specialist at baiting others into mistakes.”

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
2:02 pm

Whatever, vava.

niremetal

March 14th, 2011
2:06 pm

I also disagree that Teague had not yet shown anything similar to what we saw Saturday: strongly disagree.

This and a few other lines in your post made it pretty clear that whatever you were responding to, it wasn’t actually to what I said. You’ve become pretty tough to talk with about this issue, which is unfortunate because you’re usually one of the best posters around here. But I don’t really see the point in carrying this discussion further.