Atlanta Hawks – Slippery slope part II

It’s happening again. The Atlanta Hawks are slipping, and they’re gaining speed as they go down the slope of losing. Sure, teams struggle and that is the nature of the game. Struggling like this is a different story, though.

Writing On the Wall

Rick Sund said the Hawks were essentially playing to stay within the 3rd to 5th seed range of the playoffs. Perhaps we can guess that this means retaining as much as the 5th seed in a conference that has experienced some major moves that have increased the talent level, is acceptable. Maybe this is a reasonable thought, considering that the Hawks would have been hard-pressed to make any moves that could match the splashy significant of the triumvirate in Miami, the acquisition of Carmelo Anthony in New York, or the move that brought Deron Williams to New Jersey. In fact, the only move the Hawks did make seemed rather vanilla to most folks. Sure, it was a good move, but it was never going to be enough. Sund indicated that what the Hawks needed most was to change from within.

So, as the Hawks’ chemistry continues to be a problem, what seemed a distant threat at one time is now creeping up with a nearly inevitable feel – the Hawks are going to fall into the lower seeds of the playoff bracket. Fortunately, they won’t have to worry about falling completely out of the playoffs. Indiana is currently the 8th seed in the conference with a whopping 27 wins, while trying to stave off Charlotte, who has an identical record. So, the Hawks don’t have to worry about teams that are 10 games behind them.

But what of New York and Philadelphia, the current sixth and seventh seeds in the Eastern Conference?

 The Knicks now have a serious swagger and the talent to back it up. They still don’ t play defense well enough to win against the upper echelon of either conference on a consistent basis, but they’re a more credible threat than most, what with their star power. At 34 victories and with a 6-4 record in their last 10 games, the Knicks could overtake the stumbling Hawks.

The Sixers are going about their business much more quietly, but they too have now managed 34 victories after beating Boston tonight. Their record in the last 10 games? Eight victories, two losses. Like the Knicks, the Sixers have struggled at times against the better teams in the League, but they’ve pretty much stomped on those with inferior records. Worse yet, they have something else in common with New York – both have proven they can beat the Hawks into the hardwood this season.

Can Atlanta win enough to keep these two teams in their current places? Or is the writing already on the wall?

 

Cancelled Due to a Lack of Interest…

The way things are going, I can’t tell who is less interested right now – the fans or the players. Maybe both realize that not much is going to change this season. It was nice for a minute, watching the Hawks play better defense. However, this offensive ineptitude gets tiring really quickly. Some moments, the team seems like they’re sleepwalking while one player tries to do too much (usually resulting in a turnover these days). Other moments show frustration from some players (again…usually resulting in a turnover) and perplexingly subpar play from the team’s best players. All the while, the post game quotes and comments are becoming more and more bleak. Or should we say, apathetic? Larry Drew seems to have lost or let go of the reins to this stagecoach.  Tonight’s game clearly showed that once again, he’s talking to nobody in particular when it comes to his game plan. Are his days numbered as well?

It’s not that the Hawks are the only team struggling. There have been tears in Miami and anger and outrage in Orlando.  Even fans of the reining League Champs have something to gripe about. No, the Hawks aren’t the only ones with problems. But it just might be that they are the only ones who don’t seem to care.

 

UP NEXT

With 17 games left to play, the Hawks return to Atlant for a six game homestand that may or may not help stabilize things. First on tap are the Portland Trailblazers, a team that Atlanta beat on the road a couple of weeks ago with doses of offensive effectiveness from Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford. Between the lackluster play from the Hawks and the Blazers’ dual bid of wresting 5th place from Denver while staving off 7th place New Orleans, there is just no way to predict how this might turn out. But if the Hawks can’t find a way to motivate themselves to play better at home (at least), then they are likely to keep right on sliding….

 

….right down that slippery slope.

 

 

Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest Blog

344 comments Add your comment

STRETCH

March 11th, 2011
11:38 pm

Who cares! FIRST!

Big Ray

March 11th, 2011
11:43 pm

Congrats, STRETCH. Now go see how many other blogs you can be first on. Run off now, little fella… ;)

O'Brien

March 11th, 2011
11:49 pm

Big Ray,

Another team loss for the hawks. With 26 points in the second half, its hard to blame one person.

If the team was in disarray before, what are they in now?

Sund indicated that what the Hawks needed most was to change from within..

I agree with Rick. While I like the trade for Hinrich, it appears there needs to be a bigger change to the culture. Players or HC, something’s gotta give.

From MC’s article;

“The Hawks are 4-10 since Feb. 8 and dropped to 10-18 in games against opponents with winning records.” MC .

That’s a 36% win percentage against teams with winning records. I wonder how they compare to other playoff teams.

harpie

March 11th, 2011
11:52 pm

This team has shown that when they move the ball and play hard, they can beat anybody. Alas, they are not bright enough to realize that moving and sharing the ball is the way to win; and their coach is a complete idiot, who doesn’t have a clue as to how to get them to play the game right. I knew this crap would happen when this cheapskate organization didn’t hire a real coach…

Native

March 11th, 2011
11:58 pm

Apathy across the metro Atlanta area. The future looked bright in 2008 then a string of bad personnel decisions and revelations turned off the fanbase permanently. And it’s sad because I believe this city would support them if there were a true superstar and passionate owner in place. But no one is taking responsibility for what’s happening. In the locker room, on the bench, or in the board room. It’s time to clean house.

Najeh Davenpoop

March 11th, 2011
11:59 pm

“It was nice for a minute, watching the Hawks play better defense. However, this offensive ineptitude gets tiring really quickly.”

I think we’d all be OK with some level of offensive ineptitude — not 26 points in an entire half, but something reasonable — if they kept playing defense like they did against Chicago last Wednesday or against Portland and Golden State on that road trip. But they didn’t D up very well against the Nuggets or Thunder (without Smoove) or in the 4th quarter vs. NYK or in this game (with Smoove). The Lakers are a horrible matchup for this team and LD made it worse by going small, so I’m leaving that one out on purpose.

STRETCH

March 12th, 2011
12:07 am

bIG rAY,

1st off, im probably bigger than you…so theres really no reason to reference me as lil fella.

2nd, just trying to see if anyone else is even interested in the blog and it appears they arent. But hey, you are.

And imma be here off and on speaking my opinion.

dayoldfries

March 12th, 2011
12:11 am

it must be obvious day at camp stupid

doc

March 12th, 2011
12:19 am

durn big ray, from frustration vs panic to apathy.

7th, facing chicago and losing in the first round in five. is that in the crystal ball?

Sand

March 12th, 2011
12:24 am

Joe johnson sucks,he’s the leader & the money man. He quit on the team last year in the playoff.Then after he quit,they go sign him to a mega deal.We have to get rid of Joe & Rick Sund !!!

Ben

March 12th, 2011
12:26 am

Been saying this for months now…http://bit.ly/hUvKZq. It all started with the Joe Johnson signing. That contract is going to handcuff this team for the next 6 years.

The two options over the summer were resign JJ and continue to make the playoffs as a mediocre team OR let him walk and struggle for a couple of years. I’d prefer the latter if it meant that we’d be in the market for some top-tier talent–like CP3, who we should have anyway (Marvin)–in the coming offseasons.

Ben

March 12th, 2011
12:27 am

Sand

March 12th, 2011
12:38 am

Joke Johnson Suck !!!

tckr83

March 12th, 2011
12:38 am

Ben-

Or the Hawks could’ve traded Joe Johnson last year before the deadline while he was an expiring contract and took us as far as this group was going to go… especially after we knew Joe Johnson wanted the keys to the bank, the treasury and the federal reserve!

Buddy Grizzard

March 12th, 2011
1:10 am

I said this on MC’s blog… look how soft NY’s schedule is… Hawks will finish 6th at best and 7th is a real possibility.

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
1:34 am

STRETCH ,

I thought your comment was humorous, I responded in kind. Hence the smiley face at the end of my post (which I thought would surely indicate that I was poking fun with you).

Considering we’re on a blog, I have no way of really knowing how big or small you are. If you’re any bigger than 6′0″ and 315 pounds, then congratulations. You’re bigger than me.

Glad to have you and your opinion here…although I have to say that I hope it’s going to be more than “Nobody Cares! First!”

Shall I put another smiley face on to let you know I’m not being deathly serious? :lol:

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
1:36 am

2nd, just trying to see if anyone else is even interested in the blog and it appears they arent. But hey, you are.

You have to wait a little while at this time of night/morning…I’ll let the results of the last few blogs answer the rest of that…

JSS

March 12th, 2011
1:37 am

Big Ray
March 11th, 2011
11:43 pm
“Congrats, STRETCH. Now go see how many other blogs you can be first on. Run off now, little fella…”

@ Big Ray…
Thanks, I needed that! Now I won’t have to go to sleep depressed! ;-) Too funny!

JSS

March 12th, 2011
1:40 am

Does he know that you pack “heat” for a living?

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
1:42 am

O’brien ,

Compare to other playoff teams? I’d rather not…

dayoldfries ,

I’m not following you. Then again, if this is camp stupid, am I really supposed to be able to? ;)

JSS ,

Somebody who appreciates my humor! Thank YOU , my friend!

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
1:44 am

JSS ,

Nah, but I’m not into making that a conversation piece all that much. When people know, they get into “oh, it’s da po-po” mode. Besides, not much point in a “who’s is bigger” contest. I do what I need to do when on the job, when it needs doing. And that has nothing to do with this blog and the great people who blog here and make it what it is. Here, I ain’t da po-po, LOL…

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
1:48 am

Ben and tcker83 ,

I don’t think it’s so much that JJ wanted us to break the bank for him. I think it was more along the lines of his agent KNOWING that we didn’t have a choice. JJ was going to get a max contract or very dang close to it, and he was going to get it from somebody. New York wanted him, and Chicago wanted him even worse.

We had to pay what we did to keep him, and it’s really that simple. Why we had to do that is a bit less simple. If we built around JJ differently…better…we wouldn’t be in as much of a quandary. But, we didn’t, so we had to pay the price to keep what we had. Now…we’ll get more into that type of philosophy after we exit the playoffs and enter the offseason. Stay tuned…

JSS

March 12th, 2011
1:51 am

There’s some strange ones roaming these blogs these days… Between telling folks to put this body in this place or the never fails “living in your parents basement.” They’ve gone places that boggles the mind as much as a Hawks 2nd half offensive output!

Keep blogging Big Ray, between and MC, we’ve been fortunate to have you; and it keeps us off overpasses and VIP rooms drowning our Hawks sorrows!

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
1:52 am

Buddy Grizzard ,

I’m afraid you’re right. It’s not just that NY has a fairly soft schedule. It’s also that they now also have some very serious talent. Felton and Stoudamire were leading a movement up there while being directed by Mike D’Antoni. But, they would have made the playoffs and been a first round out. But it’s different now . Now they have a veteran, playoff tested Billups at pg and two top 5/top 10 talents in ‘Melo and Stoudamire. Even moreso, they have some talented role players, including rookies Toney Douglas and Landry Fields.

These guys won’t be well represented by their record. Said another way, their record won’t do them justice. They could make it to the second round of the playoffs, depending on who their first round opponent is. I would say they are a threat to upset anybody not named the Celtics. Seriously.

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
1:54 am

JSS ,

I hear ya man, and thanks. It’s a pleasure blogging here with everybody and I’ll keep it up as long as I am allowed to. Yeah, I’m afraid we’ll all take to the drink before it’s over. Depressing turn to the season and it’s possible the worst is yet to come. Geez…where are my rose-colored glasses? Whatever happened to ignorant bliss!

JSS

March 12th, 2011
1:55 am

Oops… “between you and MC!”

and the mysterious Astro Joe…

JSS

March 12th, 2011
2:00 am

The strange thing about the Knicks is that I keep getting that Houston Rockets feeling about them… Well, minus Billups because he like Oscar Roberson when he fell into the Bucks lap… Still, I just when Houston got hot that year after the break… They made up all of that ground, then got a 1st round match-up nightmare and were gone like that…

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
2:01 am

Harpie ,

What’s bothersome is that the team should be able to see the results of sharing the ball and moving around on the court. But they just can’t seem to keep that in mind from game to game. Very perplexing.

Native ,

Clean house? You may just get your wish. I think if the right buyer(s) come along, both the Hawks and Thrashers are sold. The Hawks will probably stay in town. The Thrashers…I wouldn’t hold my breath. Hockey teams in the southeast don’t last long anyway. Silly idea, if you ask me (which you didn’t).

Doc ,

Apathy is all that’s left. Frustration and panic left around 15 games ago.

Najeh ,

Just say it straight, man. If the Hawks actually competed in games, then we wouldn’t have as much of a problem with the scoring drop-off. But right now, they simply aren’t competing. It’s aggravating. But you know the score – when they stop scoring, they often stop defending. Unfortunately the “Hinrich” effect didn’t last long. Of course, the fact that LD predictably (although disappointingly) went back to playing Jamal instead of Teague, didn’t help. But like I said on the last blog, if LD has a choice, he’ll go offense over defense. And while Jamal was shooting well, it wasn’t enough to overcome the defensive lapses. Problem is, Teague’s defense would not have overcome the offensive lapses, either. I think we were screwed either way because of how the “Big Three” were playing…which was pathetic.

JSS

March 12th, 2011
2:02 am

Man it is late, typos and omissions that I can’t blame on Dayquil!

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
2:05 am

JSS ,

True. But…the Knicks have a swagger to them that Houston didn’t have, even back then. They also have more of the role positions filled in, whereas Houston was built almost solely on McGrady and Yao.

Yao could give you 20 and 10 every night, but he just wasn’t dominant . Stoudamire on the other hand will try to hammer you for 30 points every night. Carmelo all but guarantees you those kinds of numbers. Billups is Mr. Big Shot and has been to the Conference Finals and numer of times and owns a ring. Houston had none of that.

But…that doesn’t mean you aren’t right. They could get upended in the first round. But they have a much better chance of upending someone in the first round than any other team, if you ask me.

JSS

March 12th, 2011
2:09 am

@ Big Ray…
That is why I put that Billups disclaimer in there… I just have that wondering feeling about when folks get a day in-between games to digest what they do (or don’t do)?

tckr83

March 12th, 2011
2:34 am

Ray –

I agree. Joe Johnson was going to get a max contract from somebody, or close to it. That’s why Atlanta should’ve either 1) traded him last year while his contract was expiring (or work a sign-n-trade) and his value at the highest or 2) let someone else make the mistake of giving Joe Johnson max money. You’d think after being in Atlanta for 6 seasons or so, the Hawks would already know he’s not worth that kind’ve contract.

The Hawks didn’t HAVE to do anything for Joe Johnson. If Joe Johnson wanted to win… he would’ve realized what this contract would do to the franchise (a franchise that pulled him out of the desert and made him the “man”) and accept a reasonable contract. That didn’t happen, the Hawks didn’t do anything worthwhile over the offseason because of it and now the franchise is coming back down to earth with the coach going one direction and the players going in their own individual directions. Wherever that is…

Ole Hawk's Fan

March 12th, 2011
3:22 am

Bk did help to clear some outrageous contracts that the previous GM had given, which gave the Hawks some financial relief but his Draft Picks over ruled his work in getting the team payroll manageable. This group has been together too long and will never show the results to challenge for a trip to the Eastern Conference Finals. I agree Big Ray that after this team exist the playoff in the first round, changes need to be made but that contract of Iso JJ is a dagger in the heart for any new owners. He is not a Max Contract Player. I wish they would have traded him last year or let him move to another team as a Free Agent. Where are the players JJ said he was going to recruit to play for this team after he signed that Big Contract?

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
3:45 am

tckr83 ,

That’s certainly one way of looking at it. I think the Hawks owners also looked at keeping the value of the team up. What indication was there that they were driven to improve and win at all costs? For that matter, why would Joe take less money when there hasn’t been an indication up to this point that ownership/management would go “all the way” in trying to put together a team that would contend for a championship?

Instead, the Hawks have tried to get there by keeping the same personnel they’ve had. They matched the offer Memphis made to Josh Smith, which by the way was the only time that a memeber of the current “core” was ever bid for by an outside team, that we know of. They re-signed Zaza, Bibby, and Marvin Williams, none of whom got contract offers from anybody else (at least none that were reported). Where in all of that is anything to indicate big plans for winning? If anything that would have convinced Joe (and more importantly his agent) that the team would do what it took to get him back. And so, that is exactly what happened.

The Hawks could have gone in another direction. But recent history suggested that they wouldn’t. So, it was easy for Joe and his agent. It’s kinda hard to fault Joe when he had nothing to do with the other contract decisions this team has made.

Here’s another way of looking at it: Joe didn’t HAVE to get paid a max contract. He could have joined Rose in Chicago, or Felton and Amare in New York. Think of the damage either team could do with Joe on their squad.

The Hawks all but had to make Joe a lucrative offer based on other decisions they made (or failed to make). Otherwise, they would have watched him walk away for nothing. Also, a sign and trade isn’t as easy as it looks. No team would have taken Johnson on an expiring contract while giving up useable players UNLESS they were sure he’d sign an extension. Anything less would be a waste of time. It’s the same reason why New Jersey finally broke off talks with Denver for Carmelo Anthony. Sure, they could have done the deal, but ‘Melo wouldn’t have stayed.

Besides, the Hawks have shown that they fall in love with certain players and tend to stay that way. They could have traded Joe. They were afraid to, and I don’t blame them. Lose your only all-star and leading scorer…for what? When is the last time you’ve seen the Hawks make a BIG trade? One involving one of their TOP players?

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
3:58 am

Ole Hawks Fan ,

I don’t like JJ’s contract anymore than anyone else, but I also understand that by the time he became an unrestricted free agent, it was all over but the writing on the wall: “Pay him max, or watch him walk for nothing in return, then hope to sign a half-way decent player and try to make the playoffs with that.”

I also agree on Billy Knight’s draft gaffes, even if that is a very much dead horse. It has set us back quite a number of years.

I also think we would not be so crabby about JJ’s contract if –

1) We were winning a lot more and looking like contenders.

2) He was averaging 22ppg or more.

But….all of these things come to the glaring light when a team is losing. While it’s disappointing to watch JJ average less than 20 ppg for the money he’s making, we’re also discounting a number of other things. His performance isn’t the most rotten apple in the basket by a shot. We have far more issues than that. And winning vs losing is at the crux of it all.

Remember when the Orlando Magic made it to the Finals and played for the championship (before losing)? Nobody felt like Rashard Lewis’ 6 year/$118 million contract was a dagger to the organization’s ability to win. But…once the team started losing and getting punched out in the Eastern Conference Finals, he was suddenly very much overpaid, right? How about Gilbert Arenas and HIS huge contract? Same problem, and now the same team. Think he’s overpaid for what Orlando is accomplishing?

The Hawks have maintained that they will not go over the luxury tax for any reason short of a phenomenal player becoming available. It’s not just JJ’s contract that limits us, per se. It’s that luxury tax ultimatum and decisions with other contracts that make up the bulk of it. JJ’s contract just gets the media attention. Everybody wants to write about that . Nobody wants to write about the other decisions, the lesser contracts, the cheap way out with a coach that in reality should have been experimented with over 2 years ago, and the fact that the core of this team is one of the absolute biggest problems. Why? Because the one big contract makes good headlines. The other stuff…doesn’t.

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
4:34 am

These quotes come from the same person:

“Rose got to the basket at will against us,” Drew said. “He attacked the paint and we couldn’t keep him in front of us. We tried a few zone possessions but he still got there.”

Did L.D. consider sending in Teague for a crack at slowing Rose’s slices to the rim?

“Thought about it but that to me that wasn’t the real issue at that point, him getting into the lane,” Drew said. “We did nothing with a physicality as far as taking any hard fouls. That was my thought process. Even when he was getting to the line, we did nothing about giving hard fouls. I don’t care who you are playing against, if you play that soft, you are going to have problems in the paint.”

So basically he’s saying that our bigs should have fouled Rose once he got past Jamal. That’s strange, because I could have sworn that Rose had 15 attempts at the free throw line, meaning that somebody besides Hinrich was fouling him. And when Hinrich was in there, Rose wasn’t killing us.

Ok, LD. Next time just tell us you left Jamal in there because you wanted offense from a team that A) Wasn’t scoring down low like you said they should be and B) is missing jumpers all over the place.

Save the “physicality” talk for the rebounding part of the conversation.

Big Ray

March 12th, 2011
4:39 am

Al had five assists. He seemed reluctant to go around or shoot over Thomas.

My lone criticism of Al…when faced with the tougher specimens of the League, Al is shrinking back in ways that he used to not do in years 1 and 2. Whatever happened to regular appearances of “The Boss?”

“It’s a little bit of an adjustment,” Hinrich said. “The Hawks play a little different than any team I’ve ever been on. We have a lot of guys who post up and most of the teams I’ve been on haven’t had much of a post-up presence. A lot of isos. We have a lot of versatility. A lot of guys who can handle the ball. I think it’s a good fit. We just have to find a way to help each other on both ends.”

Translation : “WTF is going on around here?”

Gotta give Kirk credit – he gives the PC answer from a new teammate and a guy who just wants to help. But now he’s having the tainted koolaid seeped into his drink, and he’s wondering what in the world that odd sensation is in his stomach.

He’ll know next season if Sund keeps the core together. Because then he’ll be watching John Wall and his old team do to us what Chicago and Philly are doing now.

lil fella

March 12th, 2011
4:42 am

Big Ray, I’m enjoyin’ readin’ your posts. However, you say that there’s a problem with the core of the team, without tellin’ us what you think the problem is. What is it?

vava74

March 12th, 2011
5:08 am

Couldn’t watch the game yet due to an IP block on my league pass.

I actually woke up at half time and followed the first minutes of the second half on the game cast.

It was pretty obvious that our remarkable game plan would remain unaltered. After Hinrich’s jumper to start the second half, if I am not wrong, our 6 or 7 possessions that followed were jumpshot – missed, jumpshot – missed, …

That coped with our “bigs” playing small like hell on the boards lead LD to make his move: enter Jamal.

I switched off my iPhone and went back to sleep immediately.

E43

March 12th, 2011
5:35 am

This was a match up of 2 top ranking rebounding teams. Chicago in the top 5 and Atlanta as well but from the bottom. They got out rebounded 28-50 4real? I hope I read wrong.

I still think that starting Zaza would help this team in terms of the future. I know for a fact that this team is horrible in rebounding. The its Mike Bibby’s fault theory has just been debunked. Yes it took takes zaza about 17 minutes to get 4 rebounds but it also takes 30 minutes for Marvin to get 5. I dont see shy marvin cant produce what hes producing right now from the bench. Im not saying that zazas minutes should go up but I just feel like there is a way to manage the situation better that doesn’t involve using Zaza too much and keeping Al away from the center positions. Treat the situation as though there is an injury on the team.

Big Ray- I agree with your last post on the other blog about people having go-tos to pick on after a loss. I guess my go to is the small lineup even though i still hated the lineup after a W.

O'Brien

March 12th, 2011
6:21 am

Big Ray,

To LD’s point, even though rose got fouled, he wasn’t fouled hard. I have always said this team is soft defensively because they give up too many dunks and soft fouls (IMO). We need a Oakley or somebody like that to show them how to be physical.

That being said, if rose IS getting into the paint AND not being fouled hard, don’t u have to make an adjustment? Give Teague 3 minutes and tell him his only job is to stay with rose. If teague fails,then take him back out the game. But LD has been lacking when it comes to adjustments (IMO).

Also Fields is a rookie, but toney Douglas is a second year player (who was drafted 10 spots after teague). As AJ points out, Douglas should have been the pick instead of teague. He was a senior, and was acc DPOY, and 2 time member of the all acc defense team. And he has a little dog in him (not sure about teague).

O'Brien

March 12th, 2011
6:27 am

As for the jj contract discussion, i wonder if when he is alone inhis room, does he wonder what might have been iif he went to chicago to play with an all star PG, and to play for a HC who coached for doc rivers, won a ring, and is known for defense….

Earl T.

March 12th, 2011
8:46 am

I have a feeling that j.j. contract will strap us for years like allen houstons did n.y., a.k.a we will be a 40-45 win team next 5 years with no lottery insight to get better. also why can’t we get be name free agents to consider us, all athletes love the city but are reluctant to play here. dwight please come home and save “your” city from disaster, thats what the “real” superman would do!!! lol

doc

March 12th, 2011
8:47 am

“It’s a little bit of an adjustment,” Hinrich said. “The Hawks play a little different than any team I’ve ever been on. We have a lot of guys who post up and most of the teams I’ve been on haven’t had much of a post-up presence. A lot of isos. We have a lot of versatility. A lot of guys who can handle the ball. I think it’s a good fit. We just have to find a way to help each other on both ends.”

Translation : “WTF is going on around here?”

very good big ray!

vava, yeah the game was over before you had a chance to go after your fav whipping post. yes, best go back to sleep as there would be little to talk up. ;-)

frustration to panic to disarray and now beaten down? seems there is very little left except the tears.

Astro Joe

March 12th, 2011
8:56 am

So it feels like we’re watchin a case study on the role of leadership vs. strategist in the head coach position. LD appears to be a very competent strategist but seemingly is a disaster as a true leader. Considering that we heard as much about accountability as we did about the 5-man attack, these 60+ games have been very disappointing.

doc

March 12th, 2011
9:18 am

ok AJ, we are at that point in the season whether we want to acknowledge it or not. what do you think of the braves from what you hear out of spring training? heh heh

Pete Donn

March 12th, 2011
9:36 am

Joe Johnson says we are jump shooters. We paid all that money for a jump shooter?

NCBravesFan

March 12th, 2011
9:36 am

What confuses me about the whole mess is that the Hawks aren’t doing what LD apparently wants them to do, but they instead are doing something else that clearly isn’t working. WTF?! Time to make some big changes – but can we please start in the owner’s suite and work our way down??

O'Brien

March 12th, 2011
9:50 am

AJ,

I think LD is a competent strategist in game planning. But 1) he is unable to get the players to stick to the game plan and 2) shows little accountability when players don’t stick to the plan.

I know this is drastic. But if LD really wants to make a simple change to see if it works….strip Joe, Josh and al of their captaincy. And give the position to one person. Hinrich. Let him be the coach on the floor, and the voice in the huddle.

Maybe the players get mad and play with a chip on their shoulder. If they rebel, then that gives rick an idea of who needs to go.

STRETCH

March 12th, 2011
9:54 am

JSS,

Can you get off Ray’s sack??? Its the internet man.

Im 6-3, 245 but dude…seriously? 6-0′, 310…guess thats the tale of the tape… Ok Ray, you are bigger than me..East to West that is…LOL!