Atlanta hawks: Is disarray here to stay?

A tale of three team captains 

When the Hawks lose, you can ask Joe Johnson what happened. He is likely to tell you he doesn’t know. You can ask Al Horford. He’ll likely tell you what the problem was, and all but name who was responsible for it. You can also ask Josh Smith. He’ll tell you that the team will get their heads together, they are a tight knit group, and everything will be okay. Is any of this confidence inspiring? Why are they all saying different things?

Let us get one thing out on the table, and it is something that some of you/us have already been saying since the beginning of the season. It was a mistake for Larry Drew to name three team captains. Or do you disagree? Let’s extend that even further – it was a mistake to name Josh Smith as a team captain. Perhaps you disagree more vehemently with this than the first assertion. Perhaps not. Either way, can anybody prove this was a successful venture or even a good idea? These three team captains don’t think alike. They don’t play alike. They don’t react alike. In fact, I’m feeling a bit hard-pressed to come up with something that they have in common at all. It seems that Larry Drew tried to force this team into forming its own locker room and on-court leadership. But his idea of putting three guys into such a position resulted in what looks like more confusion, which has done nothing to increase leadership. Three guys, one position. One seems like he never really felt destined to be a leader, and maybe he should have had that burden thrown on him. Another doesn’t know how to follow, so how can he lead? The third can’t lead if others won’t follow. How was this supposed to work again?

From the Sidelines

Mike Woodson’s tactics, leadership, and his overall body of work was questioned, and it led to him parting ways with the Hawks. General Manager Rick Sund then proclaimed that the Hawks needed to “hear a different voice.” So, he brought them (perhaps at the behest of his host of bosses) a familiar voice and placed that voice in the big chair. Perhaps the results have spoken for themselves. You hear a familiar but previously quiet voice saying the same things the old voice used to say. It seems the “different” voice begins to show signs of strain and frustration. The different voice seems to have given in. The different voice doesn’t know what to do. The different voice screams accountability, but can’t follow through. The different voice…doesn’t seem so different after all. Of course, its not just about the voice.

Here is where one of Larry Drew’s biggest problems may be brewing: with Josh Smith. We used to not like it when Mike Woodson and Josh Smith got after each other. But, at least Woody got after him. And, Josh got after Woody. It wasn’t good. Josh doesn’t get after Drew. Why? Maybe because Drew doesn’t get after him.  Drew has  agreed to disagree with his team captain on how to play the game. Worse, he’s made this known through public quotes. How in the world can you get an entire team to listen to you when one of the team captains is allowed to disagree with you and do what he wants to do? That’s not to say that Josh isn’t a good player, or even a good person. He has shown more maturity (or at least it seems like it) in most areas, and has put up some pretty good numbers. But….can a team operate like this, when one of its best players is constantly at odds with the head coach on such basic things as when to take certain shots or when to let the point guard run the break?

Let me put this another way – if you can’t convince a team captain not to take long jumpers at the wrong times, then how can you convince the rest of the team to not do so? Just watch the games. See how many long jumpers are being taken, regardless of how unsuccessful that venture turns out to be. Then watch how many times Larry Drew talks about taking too many long jumpers after a loss. And, it’s not just Josh Smith by a long shot. It’s a bunch of guys. Unfortunately, Josh is a team captain, which puts things in a slightly different light.

This isn’t the only problem. Maybe this isn’t really a big problem. Maybe it is. What do you think?

Breaking in the new guys

The arrival of Kirk Hinrich really helped Atlanta on the defensive end, but as scores and fourth quarter numbers have indicated, that’s not all there is to the story. The problem with the offense is that this is where the leadership of this team (or lack thereof) really suffers. A guy like Hinrich knows how to play the game. How long before he becomes frustrated with the way the Hawks play? Everybody within the organization and the fan base can talk about Hinrich’s leadership and toughness until they are blue in the face. It won’t matter. Why? Because we have three team captains already. How is a guy like Hinrich to have a positive effect when all he can do is try to lead by example (something we’ve recognized as a good but incomplete form of leadership)? Can Hinrich even say anything in the locker room? Who will listen?

On the flip side of the coin, Hilton Armstrong has it easier than his backcourt teammate. All he has to do is provide energy, defend the rim and the paint, and grab some rebounds. Maybe even set some screens on offense and be ready to score at the rim if he actually receives the ball. Of course, Armstrong can’t be certain of his role, as neither can Zaza Pachulia (who is very playing-time sensitive) or Jason Collins. Drew doesn’t seem to know what he wants to do with his bench or his frontcourt some days.

More confusion, more disarray. 

If Larry Drew and the Hawks aren’t careful, they’ll stunt their own internal growth.

The Final Word….

……comes from General Manager Rick Sund. The normally quiet Sund stated before the deadline that the onus was on this team to prove who they were and what they were capable of. He said that this team would show itself and be judged on what they did through the final stretch of the season, and in the playoffs. By saying this, Sund also put the burden on himself and his bosses. After all, if the proof is in what this team does, and the team falls below expectations, or simply last year’s accomplishments, then who else can be responsible for the final product?

Sund says this core is at the witness stand. He’s right. And after they testify, he’ll be going to the stand next. This summer, in fact.

Call it Now

Hope springs eternal, but its not the offseason yet. Forget gaining ground for now, can the Hawks even maintain their current position? Is this just a late season rut, or is the writing on the wall? If patterns hold where they are, the Hawks face the Magic in round 1 of the playoffs? Can they survive that?

Your call…

 

Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest

286 comments Add your comment

doc

March 8th, 2011
11:31 am

aj, what was the context of svg comments?

anyway, isnt it what the astute fan sees and ultimately shakes his head about? it is wwf on a bigger stage and without padding or roids anymore to fall on. do we think that san antonio will ever be relevant again if the big fundamental retires? the year stern got in the way of the suns taking it all undid me because he really did an injustice there to only not do it against favored teams and individuals going forward. sorry, the cynic comes out in these discussions. can we talk about the refs, say, who ignore it on sunday when amare literally wraps his arm around horford and horford goes to the ground and we get a turnover early on the game and the ref was five feet away? the whole crowd reacted and saw it. that type of crud really irks me that of how stern influences the outcomes of the big picture.

Astro Joe

March 8th, 2011
11:40 am

doc, I think a reporter was asking SVG about the technical foul/suspension rule that forced Howard to miss last night’s game. So clearly he has a bias but it appears that the Magic have been tracking how many times Howard has been fouled without getting a call. So they seem to believe that if the refs would call more fouls, then Howard would be less frustrated and less prone to getting a tech.

But comparing the NBA commissioner to an abusive dictator just doesn’t seem to be a good career move. But then again, I often get reprimanded for bringing real world examples to basketball. So maybe in the NBA, that type of comparison is acceptable. We’ll see.

Carey Davis

March 8th, 2011
11:54 am

JOE is no where near a max contract player bad move for years to come.

tcn

March 8th, 2011
12:23 pm

the writing is on the wall

Ray

March 8th, 2011
1:05 pm

We need to do some moving and shaking to rattle the team a bit it seems they got rattled by the Trade deadline deal, but still Marvin needs to be moved I’m sorry even if he becomes better he must go.

The four main people that have been here seemingly forever need to told(well one can’t be max contract) that you can be moved very easily.

I’m in the crowd that honestly believes Marvin, Joe, Josh, and Zaza have gotten too comfortable.

I’m sorry Jamal is a cancer more so than Josh. He needs to leave.

doc

March 8th, 2011
1:05 pm

oh yeah, big ray, the disarray would benefit from a clint eastwood fix, “a fistful of dollars” and a “make my day” legit big and the problems would fall into better alignment. ;-)

LD would get a whole lot smarter.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2011
1:31 pm

doc,

JJ has struggled with his 3’s all season, but he continues to take them.

October: 31% (3 games); ; November: 25% (15 games)
December: 29% (8 games); January: 35% (13 games) – his best month
February: 33% (12 games); March: 8% (3 games) – his worst month.

There will be alot of Lakers fans in the building tonight, and with the Hawks losing 2 straight at home, they should be extra motivated.

Come on Hawks. Get us a victory, and shup the Lakers fans up!

Ken Strickland

March 8th, 2011
1:38 pm

The large number of the fans on these blogs seem to fall into 2 categories.
1-Those who simply love certain players/coaches no matter what, and
2-Those who simply dislike/hate certain players/coaches no matter what.

Their goal seems to evolve around either blaming or praising whoever they love or hate no matter what. This explains why we’re still getting these absolutely STUPID TRADE SUGGESTIONS that involve certain players well after the trade deadline has passed.

The fact is, no one player is the cause of our problems. It appears a big part of our problems is where MWoodson was too controlling and confrontational, LDrew hasn’t been controlling or confrontational enough. We don’t need 3 captains trying to control the team, we need one HC, period.

Our OFF problems of late stems primarily from LDrews bias and impatience. Rather than continuing to start and play Teague extended mins, thus giving Hinrich more time to learn and intergrate himself into the system with less disruption, he couldn’t wait to flip the script. Again, just like the case with Bibby, I blame LDrew, not Hinrich.

It’s obvious JJ is far more effective with the ball in his hands. But rather than clearing out and having him pound the ball to get into the lane, we need to post him up more and get the ball to him in the lane. With this approach, the DEF either allows him to go one on one, or immediately double team.

Our BIGGEST PROBLEM is we don’t play like a very smart team, especially one that’s become what amounts to a predominantly half court OFF. We’re actually doing things “A–” backwards. Uptempo fast breaking teams are suppose to be the ones with high turnovers, while half court ball control OFF’s are suppose to have fewer turnovers.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2011
2:07 pm

Ray,

I dont think moving Marvin will rattle the cages. He has missed 17 games already, and has been the 7th man off the bench sometimes. Have you ever heard any of his teamtes say “we can’t wait to get Marvin back?”.

He has contributed to some of our wins (and losses), but he is the 6th option on the team when all is said and done.

The only moves that would rattle the cages (imo) is if it involved Al, Josh, JJ or Jamal.

Ken S,

I agree with your point that the Hawks biggest problem is they dont play smart basketball consistently. And leadership (or lack thereof) starts at the top. Mr LD.

Ken77

March 8th, 2011
2:24 pm

Here’s the real truth. The Hawks just what ownership and management wanted. A average team that has the potential to make the 2nd round of the playoffs and win 1 or 2 games. The problem is the other teams did not just sit pat, but has passed the Hawks by adding quality players. The problem is ownership and coaching period. Atlanta will never have a serious professional basketball team until a serious owner buys this team who will do what it takes to win a championship. Until then, we are just wasting time and treading water. Only truth can set this team free.

kwooden

March 8th, 2011
2:34 pm

I definitely think “disarray” is too strong of a term. The HAWKS are about what they should be. Being a 3rd or 7th seed doesn’t mean anything, the HAWKS need to figure out what playing well means. Right now, they can’t hit anything from 3. (Except for Hinich) Now that we’re consistantly playing good teams, all of our flaws are exposed. Coaching and player mistakes are much more evident against these good teams, because every game is competitive. We need to …

#1 Start hitting open 3 pointers! (That by itself would make all the difference in these close games)
#2 Start the offensive with Smith in the post, Horford in the high post (when Josh starts in the post he has less time to walk back out to the 3pt line)
#3 make sure that the PG initiates the offensive

We waste to many possesions by not running our offensive and getting key turnovers.

Astro Joe

March 8th, 2011
2:48 pm

kwooden, as many have suggested in the past, things get worse when playing a 7 game series against a quality team. If these teams can figure us out for a single night, then it seems pretty likely that they will continueto make the right adjustments during a series. Meanwhile, we always get quotes AFTER the game that make it sound like the head coach and players were fully aware of the issues.

For all the disdain of hearing a captain say “I don’t know” at least that is an honest response. Because if you knew the issues, then seemingly one would adjust accordingly during the course of the game. Telling us “we need to move the ball more” after 5 assists in a half is little more than lip-service. Saying that we “settled for jumpers” while leaving in the culprits is plain aggravating. The frequent excuse of “energy” is nothing short of infuriating.

“I don’t know” is even better than “we’ll be better in the next game” because that optimistic view ignores a diagnosis of the problem. If you have a headache, saying that it will be better tomorrow sounds nice and rosey but it does nothing to address the cause of the headache.

OK, I’m getting myself all ticked off again (at this team). I honestly expect a quality effort tonight but it won’t be enough. From the owner down to the 14th man (Pape Sy), this team isn’t built for more than the standards set the past 2 seasons.

Ray

March 8th, 2011
3:00 pm

@ OB

I guess my frustrations are beginning to get the best of me with this team. Still this offseason from GM down the the players including head coaches and assistants plus the players moves need to be made some smart moves.

I still say don’t trade Josh I’m actually holding out a little hope we can get D12 it would be awesome if we could. Plus Dwight could probably keep Josh in check you never know.

Astro Joe

March 8th, 2011
3:17 pm

Ray, in the D12 scenario that you painted, Josh becomes a full-time SF, right?

mykhalc

March 8th, 2011
3:24 pm

to sum it up…lack of leadership from the top down. no on-court leader and some of the lowest BB IQ that one will ever wanna see on an ongoin’ basis. we’ve seen this ‘disarray’ for far too long. in a lion tribe they get rid of the adolescent males…same process needs to happen here…if only there was a big ass male lion around here to bring some order!!!! F’n PITIFUL…PERIOD!!!

Astro Joe

March 8th, 2011
3:28 pm

mykhalc is bringing the Animal Planet knoledge to the liar’s table. We had a lion licking a baby gazelle yesterday and now we’re getting a lesson in pride politics today. Good stuff… I’ll have to come correct with my own wild life analogy for the playoffs. Meanwhile, we get the Black Mamba tonight. :)

mykhalc

March 8th, 2011
3:33 pm

Joe…:-) and for the record i enjoy the AP channel MUCH more than Hawks BB these days!!! in fact, to spare Hawks fans some misery i hope ESPN suffers a blackout tonite!!!

mykhalc

March 8th, 2011
3:37 pm

@Big Ray…good read man!!!

Astro Joe

March 8th, 2011
3:44 pm

mykhalc, LOL. If the Hawks are down by 20+ tonight, I’ll go looking for the documentary on the killer ant colonies on Animal Planet.

E43

March 8th, 2011
3:54 pm

Big Ray- “I hear you. Can’t explain the Falcons attendance issues. Atlanta…it is what it is…and I don’t even live there. I’m abou 4 hour south…”

Its just not a transport friendly area. You spend a whole hour just getting to the arena/stadium. It costs $12 to park at some places but you cant really use public transport because routes are limited. Game-time discounts by MARTA certainly wont hurt the attendance but i don’t know how the bus system works.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2011
3:56 pm

New blog up from MC. An interesting quote;

“We have the luxury of having five guys that can get the ball off the board and bring it out on the dribble,” L.D. said. “I said it before and I said it again: that is where we are most effective. When Al and Josh Smith are playing with that type energy it makes us more effective. Yeah, we take a chance on coming down and them making the wrong decision. But I trust in them.”.

So LD wants Josh and Al to get the rebound, hold the ball, and push it? Ok…

At this point L.D. laughed a bit before continuing: “Josh has to work on it a little bit more. I was talking to him this morning. Against the Lakers [last game] he tried two lob passes that had no chance of being executed. No chance. He and I kind of chuckled about it this morning. It’s just those type plays. We have to stay in the attack mode but we have to be more selective.”.

Does Josh know how to be more selective though? Hasnt that been one of his weaknesses, which is why LD called him kamikaze? I just dont think LD and Josh take it serious enough…

mykhalc

March 8th, 2011
4:11 pm

@Joe,,,LOL you might wanna prepare yourself for the IQ difference when you watch the ants tho!!!

Astro Joe

March 8th, 2011
4:24 pm

OB, I’m not even sure if LD is trying real hard to coach Josh anymore. It just seems like he concedes everything these days. Bad shot selection, bad turnovers, poor transition decisions… and is he having an MVP-type season that would make you think that it is worth all of that?

I agree with the plan to run more but that may be tough when facing a very good rebounding team like the Lakers.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2011
5:06 pm

AJ,

Also, what the team needs to realize is that you can also run on made FGs. Just inbound the ball, and run up court, maybe you catch the other team asleep. Obviously, if nothing is there, then you have to slow it down, run a play etc. But push it.

My problem is, if Al or Josh are leading the break (with the ball), then who will they be passing to? Isnt it likely that if they pass the ball, they will pass to somebody who is going to take a jumper, since Josh and Al are the ones who should be attacking the rim?

There are times when they will take it all the way to the rim, but thats probably when they have most of their turnovers (offensive fouls, turnovers etc).

Paradise Lost

March 8th, 2011
5:21 pm

Big Ray: Great post! I can’t spout stats and strategy like most of my intelligent fellow bloggers, but you wrote this post about team leadership and motivation and that is something I actually know a thing or two about, especially leading and motivating dysfunctional teams to produce results.

My observations regarding the 3 team captains and their relationship to the HC are not unlike what happens in many companies. The HC is like the CEO of the company and the ACs are the first-line managers. The employees, aka the players, are the backbone of the company. In a move that, by most accounts was not unpopular with the employees, the president fired the CEO last year and decided to promote from within.

The first order of business for the new CEO/HC was to take stock of what he’d inherited. A few new employees were hired, but mostly the workforce looked the same. As CEO/HC, LD didn’t need to figure out where the breakdowns were in the team dynamic; he was keenly aware. He just had to figure out how to work around them.

JJ is the senior employee, popular with his coworkers and loyal to the company (for 6 years at least). His coworkers look to him and respect him overall, but he really just wants to come in and do his job every day (“Just gotta play 48 minutes with effort and energy” If I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard that from him in interviews…well I still wouldn’t match his salary, but I might double mine!). The CEO/HC doesn’t want to show any disrespect to JJ’s contributions to the company so he asks him to remain as a Floor Manager/Team Lead/Captain.

Next you have Smoove, the brash, explosive, occasionally brilliant young executive whose talents could position the company for favorable results on product and profit for years to come. If only he would grow up. In a risky move, the CEO/HC decides some additional responsibility by way of leadership might motivate this brash talent to mature at a faster rate. I’ve seen this tactic employed by managers over the years—I’ve even used it myself—and it’s always a gamble. When employees rise to the challenge it’s rewarding to see and a boost to team and results. However, when it fails, as is the case here, it is OH SO painful to watch.

Lastly there is Al, the brilliant, dedicated, hardworking young executive. Only a few years with the company, but he already displays the mental aptitude for great, responsible leadership. Heck, his coworkers already call him The Boss. (As aside, one of hubby’s favorite moments is one of the games Al missed after his collision with BG. Al gave a sideline interview and the camera panned as he walked back to the bench. He stood in front of his teammates just staring at them and they all jumped up in unison and slid down one seat so he could sit down…a prime example of his effect on his team!). Al personifies what the company is all about. He is the future of this company. He promotes the company, the brand, the product. He is the young executive who works late on Wednesday night and gets up early Thursday morning to drive to a school to celebrate a child’s success on behalf of the company and then goes on to a promotional radio appearance to promote the company. He works hard, attends the company picnics, and participates in all the company charity events. He IS the company and if his personal opinions about the company or its brand are remotely negative, he keeps them to himself. The CEO/HC knows intuitively that this young man is truly the best suited leader of this team and promotes him to Team Captain.

The unfortunate thing for the new CEO/HC is he should’ve dealt with the senior executive by having a heart to heart talk with him regarding his contributions and how valuable they are to the team. CEO/HC should’ve suggested that those contributions could be valuable in other ways this year and asked JJ to pass the baton and join him in mentoring the up and coming leadership. LD should’ve discussed JJ’s legacy on this team with him and asked JJ what mark he wants to make in Atlanta over the next 6 years. I sincerely don’t believe JJ wants to be remembered for alienating the fans.

CEO/HC should’ve dealt with the brash young executive with a direct and frank discussion regarding his brilliance and talent, and in that conversation pointed out to Smoove that the only thing holding him back from true legacy-type achievement in this company is himself. LD should’ve pointed out to Smoove that he has the athleticism and the intuition (“He knows his assignments and those of everyone around him”) to be an elite player if he can only overcome his ego.

And yes, the CEO/HC should’ve made Al the Team Captain. Period.

As I read Big Ray’s post last night, I was reminded of one of the best books on leadership I’ve ever read called “The Five Dysfunctions of a Team.” Those dysfunctions are so glaringly evident in the comments made by coaches and players over the course of this season:

1. Absence of trust: “Team members who are not genuinely open with one another about their mistakes and weaknesses make it impossible to build a foundation of trust.”
2. Fear of conflict: The lack of trust creates “artificial harmony,” ie, an atmosphere in which “they resort to veiled discussions and guarded comments.”
3. Lack of commitment: Without trust and healthy conflict, “team members rarely, if ever, buy in and commit to decisions, thought they may feign agreement during meetings.”
4. Avoidance of accountability: Without commitment and buy-in, “even the most focused and driven people often hesitate to call their peers on actions and behaviors that seem counterproductive to the good of the team.”
5. Inattention to results: Without individual accountability, “team members put their individual needs (ego, career development, or recognition) above the collective goals of the team.”

Please take this long post and leadership analysis for what it is: my sincere desire to see this team succeed—for Atlanta, for its fans, and for the players themselves (who are a joy to behold when they play like they did against the Bulls last week). Note to LD: I will gladly loan you my personal copy of this book if you promise to read it all!!!

GO HAWKS!

Blast

March 8th, 2011
5:22 pm

MC, if you are reading Big Ray’s blog, can you please tell my why I have been unable to post on your blog for more than a month now? My posts show up on Bradley’s blog, shows up here, but they never post on your blog! Please, help!!!!!!!!

Steven A.

March 8th, 2011
5:31 pm

Lakers will roll the Hawks tonight by 20. The twenty million dollar man “will not,” I repeat, “will not” score
20 points. Until Drew realizes he needs to start Armstrong at center, and develop him, Hawks have zero
chance of advancing. AL HORFORD is not a good enough rebounder or shot blocker to play the center
position. Horford just does not have the swagger.

E43

March 8th, 2011
6:22 pm

vava74

March 8th, 2011
7:18 pm

dang, international league pass is down…

vava74

March 8th, 2011
7:31 pm

%&$#!!! WTF is happening with league pass? dang!

And WTF LD is doing? I am not watching the game but it seems that neither of the teams was playing D and he goes to Jamal for MW again?

vava74

March 8th, 2011
7:41 pm

yeah… Jamal 0-3 + 1 turnover and it’s teague that gets the hook (I don’t care if Teague is playing like crap, just let me rant at will…)

Melvin

March 8th, 2011
7:41 pm

Jamal aint doing nothing but LD is going to play him extended mins…

Melvin

March 8th, 2011
7:42 pm

Vava,

Co-sign your 7:41 post…. And Jamal is getting beat on defense.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2011
7:50 pm

From MC’s blog;

Drew said he wants to get Damien Wilkins more minutes. “I definitely want to try to find more minutes for him, because he has that ability to give you that intensity,” he said. “Jeff (Teague) is the same way with with his speed and his quickness.”.

So he gives teague a compliment, but so far, Teague has played 3 minutes (+2 rating), while Jamal played 8 minutes, going 0-3, no assists (-7 rating)?

O'Brien

March 8th, 2011
7:57 pm

Wow. Josh inside the paint, close enough where he can take a shot and possibly get fouled. but instead, he passes it out to Hinrich, who passes it to JJ who passes it back to Josh…who now takes a 3…airball.

Do these guys just look for jumpers?

Oh Oh. Josh makes a 3, so he will probably spend a lot of time at the 3-point line for the rest of the game.

vava74

March 8th, 2011
8:17 pm

LD said that we should run more, get more transition buckets.

To run you need to play D and get stops.

To play D and get stops you have to limit Jamal’s minutes.

On the other hand, Jamal said that they should get back at having fun and be loose.

Jamal may be a nice guy but he knows ZERO about winning basketball.

To have fun you must first win games and to win games you need to get the opposing team playing uncomfortable and for that you need to play D and to play D you need to give an all out disciplined effort, day in and day out until it becomes second nature and easy.

Fun only comes after that, not before.

Dept. of Unintended Irony

March 8th, 2011
8:22 pm

StevenA,

about this: “AL HORFORD is not a good enough rebounder or shot blocker to play the center”

I’ll give you shotblocking, but REBOUNDING? He’s 6th in the freakin’ league and 3rd among all centers.

Don’t fall for the hype that he’s not big enough to rebound.
position.

lukas

March 8th, 2011
8:24 pm

LD prefers to go small against a tall team. If there’s a game where Collins should play is this. LD is looking more like Woody as the season advances.

lukas

March 8th, 2011
8:30 pm

Points in the paint: Lakers 34, Hawks 10.

Melvin

March 8th, 2011
8:31 pm

Why does LD continue to play Jamal at PG????

vava74

March 8th, 2011
8:32 pm

Same people that Al does not rebound enough are the ones that advocate getting a true center like Nene (7.3rpg)

vava74

March 8th, 2011
8:35 pm

In the meantime I complained and got the league pass back on.

And what do I see? Jamal at the point for Hinrich… nice ball rotation to JJ who can’t get a 3 to go in after 12 bounces at the rim. Then Jamal goes solo early in the shot clock – misses – and on the immediately following play lets Fisher score…

nice…

Ray

March 8th, 2011
8:38 pm

This game is over as we speak lol (it’s so funny it hurts that I want to cry).

@ Astro Joe your earlier post about Josh being at SF full-time well yes don’t see any other solution do you if he stays that is.

vava74

March 8th, 2011
8:43 pm

LD has lost it completely.

His rotations are devised almost like a lotto draw. There isn’t a resemblance of a game plan.

The guys are completely lost out there, just playing solo, jump shot happy no structure basketball.

Basically, everyone is playing like Jamal.

LD is a blind man driving on NASCAR right now. He only goes forward on account of leaning against the wall. That’s it.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2011
8:44 pm

vava,

more jamal. who is 1-6

Ray

March 8th, 2011
8:46 pm

This is terrible now the hawks get extremely exposed on National TV.

This is so stupid I just want to pull my hair out.

O'Brien

March 8th, 2011
8:46 pm

man, Jeff teague’s jumper looks ugly (even the floater looks ugly sometimes).

AJ,

Last night, Toney Douglas had 20 points, 6 assists, and 3 rebounds against Devin harris and the Jazz.

Ray

March 8th, 2011
8:49 pm

@ OB

But what did you expect from Teague the guy doesn’t have the complete confidence in his shots yet plus they need a lot of work and it seems like their not getting much work in these practice sessions that they have by now we should have saw improvement, but Teague might wind up like Josh takes him a few seasons to hit his true potential.

vava74

March 8th, 2011
8:50 pm

OB,

Harris is very soft on D.

Teague’s confidence is back to zero. His problem is not the jumper or the floater. He misses those, some badly, due to lack of confidence.

The Teague that came out of college would have dunked that ball and got a plus one.

Everyone is crapping their pants, so it’s not only Teague.

What about Al’s floater? He was scared sh*tless with Bynum’s presence.

lukas

March 8th, 2011
8:50 pm

After LD complete his contract, he will never have a coaching job in the NBA again.