Hawks move past the break

Just in case you were asleep or otherwise dwelling under a rock (though I’ve heard you still have access to Geico insurance that way), it’s been reported that the Knicks have acquired CarmeloAnthony.  Ok, so the rest of the league can get going with any other trades now, right? That may or may not include the Atlanta Hawks, who are apparently at least seriously considering a move for a point guard. Whatever follows over the next couple of days could prove to be interesting. Maybe even for diehard Hawks fans.

Challenge or empty talk?

Rick Sund’s challenge to the players certainly isn’t of Mark Cuban-like proportions. In fact, it sounds more like a challenge to the fans (or any other non-organizational personnel) than to the players. What does a challenge to the team mean at this point? He gave them the best possible comfort zone by “hiring” a coach that they knew quite well. He kept largely the entire roster intact, which meant there was no one to get used to in the locker room. And he wants them to do what, exactly? Act differently than they have before?  Excuse me, but where exactly is the challenge in this? Play well, or else? Anybody would flinch at the ire and boldness of the Dallas Mavericks owner (Cuban), who is liable to order his GM to orchestrate a trade if he is unhappy enough. The notoriously slow-to-speak, slow-to-move Sund? Far less likely. Perhaps even more so of his boss (es), who are much quicker to…oh, nevermind.

Suffice it to say that we can likely tell the future. Sund isn’t going to be making any big moves. Perhaps this is as well, as there isn’t likely a big move that could catapult the Hawks past the Eastern Conferences best in the last 30 or so games. Moves like that are usually made in the offseason, or at least with the next season in mind. Just ask the Knicks, who are suddenly looking more star-studded on paper, but aren’t liable to go beyond their current position unless the Magic and Hawks collapse down the stretch (stay tuned).

But, as AJC columnist Jeff Schultz has noted, Sund is traveling with the team during the remainder of their road stretch. So, perhaps that means the organization will at least cast some bait, with a willingness to snatch the rod up if anybody bites. Will it amount to anything? Hard to say.

 

How serious is the point guard situation?

Again, you’d have to be ignoring all things Hawks-related to not know and hear about the team’s issues at the point. It isn’t just the local media, it’s everybody who has anything to say about Atlanta’s NBA team. What doesn’t bode well for Hawks youngster Jeff Teague is the fact that while every pundit and expert is at least willing to hint at the fact that Mike Bibby isn’t up to the job, practically no one is mentioning the second year point guard as the answer. Some of us disagree, some of us don’t. It is rather interesting indeed if the Hawks manage to find themselves a point guard through trade. Why? Because it isn’t just an indication that Bibby has faded. It’s also an indication that Teague isn’t ready, if nothing else. Again, stay tuned.

The question is, who can the Hawks get, and are they serious enough to “settle” for someone that isn’t necessarily at the top of their list? While many may prefer Devin Harris or Ray Felton, neither guy may be available for what the Hawks could offer (and who really even knows what THAT is). So, it could be Sessions or somebody even less desired, coming to town. Or, maybe nobody at all. Time will tell just how committed the Hawks are to addressing the point guard position for what seems like the millionth time in the last four to five years.

I know this much – if the advent of another point guard on the roster isn’t enough motivation for Teague to do some very serious work on his game this offseason, and come into training camp with a chip on his shoulder – then nothing ever will be motivation enough.

 Hawks vs. Lakers

As if playing the NBA champions after the all-star break wasn’t daunting enough, they might actually have some motivation. First, they went into the break with a three game losing streak. On top of that, some are questioning  Kobe’s ability to stay on top. Great, as if a League MVP type caliber with a Michael Jordan-esque pride (and capability) needs motivation. The Hawks could be walking into a buzzsaw. Or, they could leave Staples center with the Lakers staring a fourth loss in a row. Want to be against the Champs at home with some things to prove?

The keys to winning this game are few. The Hawks have to get all-star performances from their three team captains. They also need a good performance from their bench. Knowing the Hawks, there really is no way to tell how this may turn out. Fact is, more folks may be paying attention to what the GM does (or doesn’t do) than to what the team does. At least for a couple more days, anyway.

 

 

By Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest

290 comments Add your comment

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2011
10:43 pm

Now Powell gets to spend the rest of the night wishing his seat was as good as Jack’s.

O'Brien

February 22nd, 2011
10:44 pm

I thought the Hornets were broke?

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2011
10:46 pm

Gosh, 18 months? He probably never unpacked.

OB, I completely disagree, Thornton likely won’t be in the league when Marvin’s contract expires. He’ll be hanging out with Rashard McCants and Antoine Wright.

niremetal

February 22nd, 2011
10:46 pm

Al missing an open dunk. Not a good sign…

O'Brien

February 22nd, 2011
10:46 pm

Powell gets his ring. Maybe he will get some PT and play very well, and make the Lakers regret letting him go.

O'Brien

February 22nd, 2011
10:47 pm

Fisher averages 6.6 ppg. he already has 6 pts

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2011
10:47 pm

Fisher is trying to help Sund close that deal for a PG.

Melvin

February 22nd, 2011
10:53 pm

Maybe if the Lakers wax the Hawks with the floor tonight, it will put pressure on Sund and the ASG to make move before the trade deadline.

O'Brien

February 22nd, 2011
10:53 pm

Wasn’t Josh leading the NBA in blocks early in the season? And now he is 13th in blocks? Wow.

O'Brien

February 22nd, 2011
10:54 pm

And Hawks have taken three 3 pointers already

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2011
10:56 pm

Josh must have been passing to Blake Griffin in the Clippers practice facility.

O'Brien

February 22nd, 2011
10:56 pm

Which is why I would like to see guys give up the ball on the break…

Melvin

February 22nd, 2011
10:58 pm

Hawks play so dumb at times….

O'Brien

February 22nd, 2011
10:59 pm

Hawks have five 3 point attempts already. And no trips to the FT line.

Look for LD to say “we shot more 3’s than FT’s. And we can’t do that. Especially on the road”.

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2011
10:59 pm

I hate it when LD takes 2 captains out at the same time.

doc

February 22nd, 2011
11:01 pm

so ld said something like this eh, “this core can make it together – you don’t need to make any other changes.”

hmm, seems like that was a siren song here as well this summer along with a “we have the best first eight in the league” thrown in for good measure heard not too long ago even. no changes needed! yeah, i guess sund, et. al. fell for the kool aide of ld along with a few others around here. see AJ, now it is shaping up into a “its all LD’s fault”, reminiscent of the “it is all woody’s fault”.

only ten down after seven minutes. looking good baby. terrible finishers around the basket.

niremetal

February 22nd, 2011
11:05 pm

Are the Hawks trying to make an ad showing why they need a trade?

O'Brien

February 22nd, 2011
11:07 pm

I dont mind getting blown out, because it will be interesting to hear what LD has to say after the game (in terms of making a change).

And Rick is travelling with the team too…

O'Brien

February 22nd, 2011
11:10 pm

Hawks outrebounded by 8 in the first.

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2011
11:11 pm

“I thought we looked a little sluggish after the All-Star break. I told them that they needed to start out fast to get their blood flowing and shake off the rust. I did my job by giving them great instruction. They failed to execute. Did you hear that I played with Magic Johnson? I’m thinking about starting Pape Sy in the next game.”

O'Brien

February 22nd, 2011
11:15 pm

Funny stuff AJ.

Watch the Hawks lose by single digits, therefore validating Rick that he doesnt have to make a move

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2011
11:17 pm

Al is on fire.

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2011
11:19 pm

Why is Josh standing in the corner during a fast break opportunity? WHY?

niremetal

February 22nd, 2011
11:27 pm

AJ,

The way I see it, there are 3 possibilities:

1) He remembers Idan Ravdin telling him “You don’t need their approval, so stop looking in their direction.”
2) Josh’s dad told him “you’re a natural 3. They’re just playing you out of position.”
and/or
3) Josh is like the overly-proud kid on the playground who can’t resist puffing his chest when his classmates dare him to do something that’ll get him in trouble.

doc

February 22nd, 2011
11:28 pm

niremetal

February 22nd, 2011
11:29 pm

Hawks are 1-12 from deep. Live by the jumper…

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2011
11:39 pm

OK, I think they will need to maintain this wonderful performance without me. No need to be hurting tomorrow because i stayed up to watch an LA beat down.

doc

February 22nd, 2011
11:40 pm

when do we get to do a run? it seems like weeks ago.

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2011
11:41 pm

Hell, give him 5 FTAs.

Astro Joe

February 22nd, 2011
11:42 pm

Good night. I’ll check out the crime scene tomorrow.

O'Brien

February 22nd, 2011
11:48 pm

Bibby has looked bad this game.

And LD insisted on playin Bibby, Jamal and JJ big minutes together, despite Jamal and bibby not doing much on offense or defense.

I wonder what Rick is thinking watching this live…

doc

February 22nd, 2011
11:55 pm

o’b, he might be pulling the covers up over him like AJ has done.

good night all.

Melvin

February 23rd, 2011
12:01 am

Nire,

I wouldn’t consider 1-12 as living ….

niremetal

February 23rd, 2011
12:06 am

Melvin,

That’s just 3s. I think 75% of our shots in the first quarter were jumpers…

ICECOLD

February 23rd, 2011
12:08 am

Now can we make a big trade!!!!, please!!!!!!!! We need a center and a point guard, brook popes and devin Harris for mike bibby , Marvin Williams , jamal Crawford, zaza pachulia, mo evens , and a first sand second round draft pick!!!! Please.!!! It hurts to he a fan… seriously.

niremetal

February 23rd, 2011
12:12 am

Brook popes? I smell an appearance of Dept. of Unintended Irony coming..

Ken Strickland

February 23rd, 2011
12:24 am

Does anyone else believe Jamal’s poor play of late might be an attempt to make himself look unappealing so he won’t get traded by the trade deadline? I hate to say it, but the biggest problem with the Hawks right now is HC LDrew and his STUBBORN STUPIDITY.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

February 23rd, 2011
1:58 am

Ken Strickland – I was thinking the same thing. Jamal could be tanking it until after the trade deadline. I may be I may be wrong but it stinks.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 23rd, 2011
2:00 am

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Big Ray

February 23rd, 2011
2:49 am

E43

February 23rd, 2011
2:50 am

vava74- The problem with Teague is really a combination of Evans Bibby and Teague(on occasion Wilkins). Many people forget that Evans is our back up SG and not jc1. This roster really doesn’t give LD decisions to make. All he can do on a game to game basis is pick which poison he wants to deal with.

Ken Strickland- Jamal’s poor play is a result of him coming back down to earth. He played phenomenally well last year but he was sure to cool back down to his 401fg% that he had before we got him. He can flat out score but his streaky style will never go away. This was the one flaws i had in him and not Flip Murray.

I think the hawks just need to play better. Even if we do get a trade it wont cover up the fact that this whole entire team will just collapse(except one or two players) at some point in the playoffs or other crucial times. A one man trade is like putting cologne on something that just doesn’t smell good at all to begin with.

Big Ray

February 23rd, 2011
2:54 am

Well, not at all surprised that the Lakers got their groove back against us. They looked good. We looked bad (and loooooost).

The post game comments are becoming a reflex, I think. It’s the same thing every time. Funny how the players can say that they don’t need any trades/moves/etc, then respond with post game comments of “gosh, this is so frustrating, I don’t have a clue as to what to do.”

Um, yeah. That’s why you’re a player, and the front office is run by people who don’t wear jerseys.

On the flip side of that coin….well, you know the story.

Big Ray

February 23rd, 2011
3:00 am

The fact that David Aldridge is reporting the “Hawks want Hinrich” rumor gives it some validity.

I hope the Hawks really bend some effort in that direction. The report says the problem is the Wiz want a first round draft pick, and the Hawks don’t want to give it up.

Ok, I get that. After all, the Wiz DO have a first rounder already from Chicago, and they DO have John Wall already. But more than that, they ARE a division opponent.

So maybe they could give up a young player instead? I mean, the Hawks are going to do what exactly with their first round pick? Trade down again (even further) to take someone they can’t use for a year or two, as well as some cash they also won’t use (well, not for basketball, anyway, or so it seems in my sarcastic world)?

Ok, fine. Keep the pick. I know, give ‘em Pape Sy! What? They don’t even know who that is? Ok, how about JC2? Bad idea? Good idea? Should it be Teague? (Wrong answer, unless they want to be drafting another pg with a low first round pick next year or the year after).

Big Ray

February 23rd, 2011
3:03 am

E43 ,

I am in firm belief that Mike Woodson’s isolation heavy offense magnified and glorified Jamal’s game. Yes, he’s streaky but if you allow him to isolate, he can do some damage. Of course, all of his damage was done in the regular season. When he got to the postseason, he was a hot mess. Same thing will happen this postseason. Only the truly best do well in isolation in the postseason, and even they can lose with that type of game. Just ask Lebron James. He knows.

Jamal doesn’t look as good because he’s asked to play the PG spot too much in Drew’s system, and isn’t allowed to just go on ISOs so much. As a result, he has not flourished as often.

Big Ray

February 23rd, 2011
3:06 am

Hornets scored on that one. Landry makes them deeper/better in the frontcourt. He plays hard (and rebounds).

Thornton (once thought better than Marvin by some guy in College Park ;) ) is offically a journeyman. Andersen was a joke from the start. I’m still laughing.

Big Ray

February 23rd, 2011
3:11 am

“I don’t think we went to the rim enough,” L.D. said. “I just thought we settled, which is starting to be a pattern with us. When you fall into that type of pattern when you are not making shots you’re going to struggle. We went 1-for-15 from the three, yet we settled for the three. We have to have more basketball savvy than that.”

Becoming a pattern with this team, Larry? Oh, you mean it’s just NOW started happening? Really?

Zzzzzzzz……

Ed

February 23rd, 2011
3:12 am

Ray, at this point I think a coaching change would be as helpful as any player the Hawks would get with what we have (or are willing) to offer. Doing both though, just might be the jolt this team sorely needs.

vava74

February 23rd, 2011
3:22 am

Why “Not Starting Teague” is an option written in stone?

And why play Jamal so many minutes and out of position?

The Lakers lead ballooned when Jamal got in (-6 to -13 to close the quarter).

I know that other reserves got in shortly after Jamal did, but the tendency was marked there.

Jamal does not make anyone around him better. EVER.

He AMPLIFIES the differential between the reserves and the starters so playing him as the reserves PG is STUPID BEYOND BELIEF.

vava74

February 23rd, 2011
3:26 am

As for the trade rumors and done deals:

So, NJ was not interested in a another wing player but traded Murphy for Wright? Please…

Hinrich:

I like Hinrich and he would bring a defensive presence BUT:

1. He is 31;
2. He is a jump shooter.

So:

We would not be making a move which would change the way the team plays whilst taking on board another player who is already looking into the twilight of his career (maybe 2 good years left?).

We need a PG which penetrates consistently, poaches the lanes and gets to the line.

Hinrich would be nice but only if:

1. We got rid of Jamal;
2. Got Teague consistent minutes (20);

Big Ray

February 23rd, 2011
3:31 am

Vava ,

I have no idea at this point. LD keeps talking about changing lineups, but has nothing to offer besides starting Twin and benching Marvin. That’s it. Absolutely it. No other changes.

So….I don’t know what to say.

And yeah, a lot would be different if we got rid of Jamal. But that isn’t the only difference. We also have issues with our starting lineup. Two issues in particular, one of which isn’t Marvin.