Hawks fans: Will Rick Sund rock the boat?

According to NBA.com, a little over 6 days and 14 hours remains before the NBA deadline is up. Normally, most Atlanta fans would half-heartedly lament the lack of rumors surrounding the Hawks, or talk of unrealistic trade proposals. Not this year. Since when is a winning record and a mere 1 game out of 4th place in the East cause for such alarm? Since when does a guaranteed playoff spot leave such feelings of gloom and doom?

Do we as Hawks fans not appreciate the team’s 34 victories in 55 tries? Or is it something else?

 

Good teams do this, Good teams do that…

It has gotten to the point where nearly every Atlanta win comes with a handful of caveats. Well, at least if you’re reading the blogs and what not. But it’s not just local fans and media. It’s everywhere. Why? It’s now just about who you beat. It’s also about who you don’t beat. The Hawks may have a better road record this season, but they are 6-13 against teams with winning records. Needless to say (and I’m going to say it anyway), this does not bode well for the postseason. Good teams compete well against other good teams. The Hawks have not done that this season, for the large part. Good teams find a way to overcome injuries to regular rotation players. The Hawks have done that this season. Good teams know their identity and their gameplan. The Hawks act like they can only remember this for a game at a time, and sometimes only for a quarter at a time. Are the Hawks a good team, or simply one with a winning record? Like all things, this is debatable. But it’s going to be hard to argue 6-13. It’s just not what good teams do.

Rumors

As usual, there isn’t much going on out there about the Hawks and who they might like to acquire. The lone bit of noise being made has to do with alleged interest in Cleveland Cavaliers guard Ramon Sessions. It’s hard to see how Sessions would make the Hawks instant or even eventual Eastern Conference Championship contenders, and adding him is a subject of some debate as well. While some stat experts can show that Sessions has issues on defense, could he really be worse than Mike Bibby or Jamal Crawford? Interestingly enough, there isn’t much being said about his offense, which certainly has its moments. The Hawks aren’t likely to get better at the point guard position through trade or free agency, but maybe that’s not the bandaid they should reach for right now. Maybe they should focus on having a guy who can drive the ball to the basket, find his teammates when the defense collapses, and shoot from where he knows how to shoot. Is it the total package? No, certainly not. But with Bibby’s lack of penetration and Jamal’s lack of “makes his teammates better”, maybe the Hawks should settle for solving one problem instead of continuing to strike out on two of them. Is Sessions worth the pursuit? Can the Hawks do better? What do YOU think?

Rock the boat, don’t rock the boat

The only thing worse than a dejected fan is an apathetic fan. If Hawks management and ownership can’t see this, then they are blind, deaf, and dumb. But that’s precisely what is happening. Gone is the team that defended home court with a zeal not easily matched last season. In it’s place is the same guys, but the passion appears to be missing. Larry Drew says the team has become too comfortable. Is he not part of this comfort level? General manager Rick Sund needs to rock the boat. He needs to rock it hard enough that the occupants think it’s going to capsize and begin holding on for dear life. But, this is not Sund’s way. The problem is that the entire organization seems quite well lulled to sleep. Even the finger pointing has all but stopped (sans Al Horford’s recent post game comments about not getting the ball enough). Perhaps nothing is worse than having one of your team captains say that everything is alright, when so many things clearly are NOT alright. Don’t tell Drew, but I think some of the players (too many of them) are still drinking the koolaid. Things only get worse after the all-star break. The Hawks only managed to sustain a single winning streak of longer than 3 games this season, and the schedule has been rather favorable. What are they going to do against all these winning teams that are coming up?

Time to rock the boat, Rick Sund. The occupants are mostly asleep, and the ship’s captain looks like he’s contemplating abdication.

So will the Hawks stand pat once more? Will they make any move of significance? Does anybody in the front office even care? We’ll know soon enough.

 

 

By Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest

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Big Ray

February 19th, 2011
8:12 pm

Stephen A. ,

I agree, Josh can affect the game for the Hawks more than any other player on the team, even the one they handed $120 million to. However, there is a problem with putting the letters “MVP” next to his name. I love Josh’s potential and ability. But MVPs bring it every night. That’s why they’re MVPs. When MVPs play outside of the gameplan, it’s because they are taking over the game in ways that only they are capable of. When Josh plays outside of the gameplan on offense, it’s usually trouble (taking the wrong shot at the wrong time). Then again, sometimes he gets hot from the outside. But that usually happens only when his inside game is on as well.

On defense, it’s another issue. Josh is a guy you have to gameplan for (and often times, you just can’t), because he blocks shots, alters shots, gets into passing lanes and is gone with the steal for a dunk, etc. But AGAIN….this is not an every night thing. Fact is, when Josh plays well, it’s kinda hard for the team to lose (although if the two all-stars are stinking up the joint, it ain’t THAT hard), and when he plays badly, it’s not easy for the team to win.

MVPs bring it EVERY NIGHT, and put the team on their shoulders when things get toughest. Does it sound like I’m being particularly harsh on Josh? It should. Because of all the guys on this squad, he has the most ability to do the most for the team. I want to see him play more consistently, and his stats, while good, are not the whole story. Josh has to give up the constant b!tching to the refs. He has to give up the plays where he isn’t trying very hard to defend, and instead just gets frustrated with his non-defending backcourt teammates (you know which ones I’m talking about). Josh has to lead . He doesn’t do this consistently enough, and that’s frustrating. But man is it freakin’ awesome when he plays good and keeps his head on straight.

My opinion on the whole thing? The Hawks don’t really have an MVP. Because right now, their top three players all have some sort of recurring flaw. Joe sure looked like an MVP right around all-star selection time. The last 4 games, he’s looked like something other than an all-star. I’d say Horford has been the most consistent, but somewhat underwhelming in some games (Detroit, NY, Dallas). Josh? Insane against Washington, awesome against Charlotte and Detroit. Good against Toronto, not good enough against Philly, and downright crappy against New York and L.A. (Clippers).

No MVPs on this team.

Astro Joe

February 19th, 2011
9:05 pm

nire, I don;t read books about basketball. I have literally not read a single one in my life nor expect to do so. It is completely illogical that there is a single design for picking a coaching staff. Woody’s staff included a former teammate (LD) and the brother of his former boss (Herb Brown). I have a feeling that he had a fair amount of input in who worked beside him.

O'Brien

February 19th, 2011
9:11 pm

I wonder if the ASG will add this to their list of accomplishments.

“One of our players was a member of a championship team on all-star weekend, so fans should come out and support the Hawks”

O'Brien

February 19th, 2011
9:26 pm

Najeh,

At the time, I didnt think ZaZa’s deal was that bad. Before signing his new deal, ZaZa averaged 6 pts and 6 rebs in 19 mpg, and I thought he played well during the season.

Nobody knew (or even thought) he would decline the way he has. I dont know how to explain his rapid decline. I think part of it is due to a decline in minutes (he has averaged only 14 mpg since). But did Rick think ZaZa would continue to get 19 mpg?

However, one thing that drove up his price was there was a rumor that another team (Milwaukee maybe) was interested (if I’m not mistaken). And i think Rick may have overpaid to make sure ZaZa stayed with the Hawks.

And maybe his headbutt/staredown of KG in the playoffs earned him some extra money :smile:

I’m with you on the Marvin deal though. Dude had missed 21 games that season, and 18 games 2 seasons prior, but yet we basically give him a 5 year contract. Oh by the way, he has already missed 17 games this season.

He was coming off 3 solid seasons when he signed his deal, but a good GM has to look at other factors (similar players and their salary, potential injury history, if their role on the team will change, salary cap flexibility going forward etc). And Rick was very narrow minded in his negotiation with Marvin (imo).

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February 19th, 2011
9:35 pm

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Najeh Davenpoop

February 19th, 2011
9:44 pm

“a good GM has to look at other factors (similar players and their salary, potential injury history, if their role on the team will change, salary cap flexibility going forward etc”

Exactly. It’s easy for us to say we didn’t see Zaza’s decline coming or whatever, but that’s why Sund gets paid to be the GM and we don’t.

As far as Zaza potentially leaving, it’s not like he’s some irreplaceable player where the Hawks couldn’t have compensated if he left. I mean, Sund was able to go out and acquire Jamal as an upgrade to Flip when Flip’s contract expired. It wouldn’t have been that hard to find an affordable backup big man who could give the Hawks what Zaza provided.

As out of touch as Sund is, I really wouldn’t be surprised if he signed Zaza long term because he was more or less a “fan favorite”, thanks in part to that confrontation with KG.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 19th, 2011
9:54 pm

I should also add that the impact of the nearly $20 million annually to those three wouldn’t be nearly as bad if the Hawks were willing to go over the luxury tax. Teams that don’t mind going over the tax level can afford to overpay players, like the Magic acquiring Gilbert Arenas. Teams like the Hawks who have three players that command eight-figure annual salaries (totaling over $40 million next year) and still want to stay under the $70 million tax threshold cannot afford to blow that much money on people who will not perform up to their salary level. Even if hypothetically $7 million is reasonable for an average SF and $6 million is reasonable for an aging, declining PG, the Hawks are not in the position to be paying out that kind of money if the luxury tax is a consideration. Essentially the Hawks have to be more like the Devil Rays in baseball, where most of their role players have to outperform their contracts if they want to contend. A below-tax contender needs to be stocked with productive players on rookie contracts and bargain veterans who outperform their deals, as opposed to players who were paid properly based on their contract-year production and then subsequently regressed.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 19th, 2011
9:54 pm

And that only makes it an even more egregious error that the Hawks have done such a poor job getting production out of their draft picks. In any professional sport, draft picks are the single most consistent source of cheap labor there is.

Ken Strickland

February 19th, 2011
10:23 pm

STEVEN A-I love JSmoove as well as his energy, but we are in desperate need of a quality PG. He has very high trade value and is the only player we have that can be replaced by a 2 time All Star(AHorford).
As talented as Smoove is, he can’t overcome the major issues we have at PG. Can you honestly tell me a starting lineup without JSmith and featuring C-ABiedrins, PF-AHorford, SF-MWilliams, SG-JJ and PG SCurry, wouldnt be better, both offensively and defensively, than our current starting lineup with Josh?

OBRIEN-after all of our current expiring contracts have expired, and all escalating contracts have kicked in, we’ll be at around $64M. With the trade I proposed earlier, we would be picking up DGadzuric’s $7.25M expiring contract, which would actually reduce that $64M dollar figure and put us below the current 58M salary cap. It would be a win win for us as far as getting what we need talent wise and financially. Of course, it all means nothing if you can’t convince the other team to agree to the trade, which is something many of our trade happy fans seem to either forget, or just don’t comprehend.

O'Brien

February 19th, 2011
10:41 pm

Najeh,

The bad thing is the Hawks may have to take one step back before they can take 2 steps forward. Because as constructed, they will be stuck in the same rut (imo).

I’m impressed by the Dunks these guys are doing…

Ken Strickland

February 19th, 2011
10:42 pm

Well ladies and gentlemen, the trade deadline is almost upon us, and CAnthony will have to either S–t or get off the pot. It also looks like DHarris will be unavailable since he’ll likely be included in any trade for Melo that involves the Nets. I think the Hawks would consider getting involved in a trade if it difn’t involve our expiring contracts.

O'Brien

February 19th, 2011
10:44 pm

So many rumors out there. Now they are saying the Nets did meet with Melo this evening. From espn.com;

The long-awaited meeting between Carmelo Anthony and the New Jersey Nets took place late Saturday afternoon at a Los Angeles-area restaurant, according to a league source.

The Nets owner, Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov, and minority owner Jay-Z informed Anthony of the club’s short-term and long-term vision — the certainty of their move to Brooklyn for the start of the 2012-13 season, as well as their plans to build a championship-caliber team around him, largely through free agency..

D.S.G.B.

February 20th, 2011
12:32 am

k… here it goes. tade mike bibby, jamal crawford, and marvin williams, if necessary, to philly, and get jrue holiday, and iguadala. picture this… jrue, jj, iguadala, smith, and horford. eastern conference champs! better believe it!!!!!!!!! im drooling thinking about it

D.S.G.B.

February 20th, 2011
12:35 am

this would solve all of our alleged problems. we aquire a quick penetrating pg, and we get perimeter defense, just to name a couple.

Big Ray

February 20th, 2011
2:23 am

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-02-18/joe-johnson-sees-no-need-for-hawks-to-make-trade

LOS ANGELES — We’re less than a week from the trading deadline, a time of year when rumored deals are nothing new. One team that has been the subject of much speculation has been the Hawks, especially because they’ve been oddly inconsistent this year — suffering some embarrassing blowout losses, allowing a historic comeback to the Bobcats and yet still on pace to win 50 games.

And then there’s Atlanta’s fate in the last two postseasons, when the Hawks were able to sneak into the second round with wins in seven-game opening series (beating Miami in 2009 and Milwaukee in 2010), only to get swept in the second round.

The Atlanta Hawks have been long-rumored to be a team intent on making a deal. Joe Johnson tells Sean Deveney the Hawks must play better with what they have.
The Hawks could look for big-time change by trading sixth man Jamal Crawford or star forward Josh Smith, but both of those players are almost guaranteed to stay put. More likely, sources say, the Hawks will target an upgrade at point guard, with players like Cleveland’s Ramon Sessions and Houston’s Aaron Brooks on the radar. Of course, if the Suns were to put Steve Nash on the market, the Hawks would leap, but that won’t happen until the summer, if at all.

All-Star two-guard Joe Johnson, though, isn’t sure any such move is needed, especially not after the Hawks made an offseason coaching change, going from Mike Woodson to former assistant Larry Drew. “I think we have made some changes already, whether it’s changing some players here and there, or the coaching change,” Johnson told Sporting News. “We are out of excuses and we have to just step up to the plate and make a play.”

In addition to adding Drew, who has altered the team’s offense to make it less reliant on Johnson, there is the hope that simply having gone through the playoff grind the last three seasons will have the Hawks more prepared, should they reach the second round and play a team like Boston or Miami. “I think experience definitely helps, because we have been through adversity the last two years,” Johnson said. “I think now is the time for us to really take that next step up. Like I said, we have run out of excuses.”

Big Ray

February 20th, 2011
2:27 am

Interesting thoughts from Joe.

Those who might think less of JJ are liable to say that he has over 120 million reasons to not care about whether or not a trade is made. But that would be churlish, no?

On the other hand, I’d have to ask Joe, “But…aren’t you tired of guarding pgs?”

Just sayin’….

Big Ray

February 20th, 2011
2:31 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Al7dtdb6LDRyqhghYv1Apse8vLYF?slug=mc-afterthebuzzer021811

Marvin Williams(notes), F, Atlanta Hawks: Two NBA general managers said the Hawks are shopping Williams. Williams, however, has $16.8 million guaranteed through next season and a team option of $8.8 million for the 2012-13 season.

Sure makes Najeh’s argument look pretty strong. Not sure what/who we’d trade Marvin for, anway. Funny thing is, I’m not sure how many teams would see as much potential in him. His recent injury history and the fact that he’s in his sixth year doesn’t raise his value, I’m guessing. Not saying trade him one way or the other…that’s for the “don’t say anything bad about Marvin” police…

Big Ray

February 20th, 2011
2:35 am

D.S.G.B. ,

Philly would be nuts to mortgage their future like that. Take their best and most versatile player (Iggy), and their likely pg of the future (Jrue)?

By the way, that trade does nothing to fix the growing problem of “Al don’t wanna play center against bigger guys anymore.” Just sayin’….

Big Ray

February 20th, 2011
2:41 am

O’brien ,

I think you have hit on the truth about Zaza. His production has gone with his minutes. But….

1) It doesn’t explain why he’s gone from 48.8% on field goals last year to 42.4% this year. Dude played the same amount of minutes last year as this year.

2) We have to immediately ask the question of WHY Zaza’s minutes have gone down. Is it due to lineup changes? Or is it because the Hawks finally had something in hand that Zaza has never really been able to provide? That something THIS season, has turned out to be an in-game-shape Jason Collins. When the Hawks go big these days (Horford at PF), they don’t go with Zaza. They go with Twin. Hmmmm.

Big Ray

February 20th, 2011
2:43 am

Lisa Dillman: Quiet on the Clipper front. In other words, don’t send a car to the airport to pick up Marvin Williams. Not happening. Twitter

Eh? Don’t even know what the rumor was about on that one (other than trading Marvin to the Clippers for….somebody. Got that off Hoopshype, just like the others.

Ain’t nothing happening until this “Melodrama” foolishness is over.

‘Melo is full of it. He knows he’s enjoying this after watching the ridiculousness that went on this past summer. He just wants his piece of being in high demand.

Big Ray

February 20th, 2011
2:45 am

Lisa Dillman: Quiet on the Clipper front. In other words, don’t send a car to the airport to pick up Marvin Williams. Not happening. Twitter

Don’t even know what that one was about, or who we allegedly were trying to get in exchange for Marvin. Another hoopshype rumor. Heh…

In the meantime, I figure the ‘Melodrama gets into the realm of truth sometime tomorrow or Monday morning. Until then…

Rufus1

February 20th, 2011
3:21 am

Najeh Cosign on all your points about Bibby, Marvin and Zaza…

Theses players are not overpaid, they are just to expensive for the Hawks….

Kyle Korver got 5mil a year just as a 3pt specialist…So we pay Bibby only 1mil more for his PG skills and he is just as good a shooter.

I love the analogy about the Tampa Bay Rays, I thought was the best point ever made about ASG, tha salary cap and this team. Their performance needs to exceed what we are paying them, for the Hawks to be great.

Rufus1

February 20th, 2011
3:33 am

Untapped Potenial

I think this teams untapped potenial can only be reached with an uptempo, drive and dish PG. A players as unimpressive as Ramon Sessions would make this team far better than many people think.

Example DRose…
He is the main reason why the Bulls are as good they are. His ability to get to the basket ceates open shots, off reb and easy layups.

SWAP…Swap Bibby for DRose and the Bulls might be a .500 team. They don’t have as many skilled players as the Hawks, so without Rose’s penetration, how would they get easy baskets….they would be just like the Hawks, excepts without as many good shooters.

THIBS…As good as THIBS maybe as a defensive coach, no one can hide Bibby.

We don’t need a great PG, we need a good penetrating PG who can dish and finish at the rim. That is all we need to be an Elite title contending team…..Oh, and for Josh to go back to being the defensive player he was last year and for Marvin Williams to come off the bench.

tbhawksfan

February 20th, 2011
5:20 am

Devin Harris and maybe Daly could be available. Daly is expiring. Make a playoff push, get a long term PG solution and decide if Daly’s worth holding on to.

JC / Teague and a pick could get it done.

Is Sund even in the boat..

O'Brien

February 20th, 2011
9:28 am

Big Ray,

True. And because of his contract, zaza is basically untradeable (unless we take back someone’s garbage contract )

dap01

February 20th, 2011
10:18 am

I bet Sund sleeps late today and Monday and really does not consider helping the Hawks.

He likes our core. How can you rock the boat when you are asleep at the wheel?

cdog

February 20th, 2011
10:55 am

IF SUND DOESN’T ROCK THE BOAT, HE SHOULD BE THROWN OFF THE SHIP.HE’S TERRIBLE AS A GM. THATS WHY THE HAWKS ARE BELOW THE CELTICS, HEAT, BULLS AND MAJIC IN THE EAST BECAUSE OF HIS STUPIDITY.

niremetal

February 20th, 2011
11:27 am

Najeh,

Synergy says that less than 10% of Zaza’s rebounds come off his own misses, so pretty big fail there. I’m not gonna bother to respond to the rest of your post on him because it’s frankly not worth it. You are to Zaza what Ken is to Bibby, and there’s really no point.

doc

February 20th, 2011
11:42 am

heh heh @ big ray. the glove has been thrown.

to get rid of zaza at this point ad find a legit replacement or begin to accept his frailty as a big time center in the NBA is maybe to suggest in his case it is more than CFTSOC. as far as the last item, we need to change to get better as we are 6 deep at best with two of those in terrible slumps. it hasnt surprised me about bibby but i expected less inconsistency from jamal this year and it has hurt the team tremendously. we needed more thought going into the season. zaza and mo are pretty much fried right now. mo has to be considered a sg only not a tweener. between aging, size and of course his knee problem that came to the surface only as camp started, he just doesnt have much gas in the tank. even last year i suggested he was at best a 11th man coming of the bench for any primetime team instead of imposter. this year not so much as that, no impact whatsoever, except for spacing purposes.

somehow as a hawk fan, i still have the desire to maybe be surprised with a late season move to suggest someone is awake at the wheel. hope is unceasing. maybe the word to describe mo is apropos to this team overall, imposter.

doc

February 20th, 2011
1:03 pm

AJ agree, woody’s staff looked pretty good ole boy network stuff in initial composition,

O'Brien

February 20th, 2011
1:36 pm

I think Al and Joe are right. This team has no excuses. They are not young anymore, and they should have LD’s system down by now.

If the Hawks play more consistent, and play well, and still lose, then at least they can say they gave it their best. After that, the onus will be on Rick and the ASG.

As it is right now, we dont know (for sure) what their best is.

Melvin

February 20th, 2011
1:37 pm

Horford confirmed again he’s better playing against PF…

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18834

Ken Strickland

February 20th, 2011
1:48 pm

My concerns about RSession or KBrooks, assuming we acquire either of them, would be LDrew’s attitude if we acquired one of them. Would he continue to start Bibby, but reduce his mins and use Sessions as his backup? Or, would he start him immediately and then bench him if he struggled and didn’t do much more than Bibby while trying to adjust and learn everything and everyone?

LDrew has definitely established the fact that unless Bibby is out performed by a very wide margin, he’ll remain the Hawks starting PG no matter how much it hurts the team.

niremetal

February 20th, 2011
1:51 pm

Horford played like shite the few times we’ve put him against All-Star caliber PFs. That’s why for the most part we’ve only played him at PF against teams with mediocre PFs or against teams’ second units.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 20th, 2011
2:41 pm

“Synergy says that less than 10% of Zaza’s rebounds come off his own misses, so pretty big fail there. I’m not gonna bother to respond to the rest of your post on him because it’s frankly not worth it. You are to Zaza what Ken is to Bibby, and there’s really no point.”

And you are to Rick Sund, apparently, what “It was not a bad pick” is to Marvin. It’s all good. I wish we could poll NBA GMs to see how many of them would be willing to trade for any of those players. That would settle it once and for all.

O'Brien

February 20th, 2011
2:52 pm

Melvin,

Al and Tito keep talking about this banging from other centers, but there really isnt that many big (Centers) bangers in the league anymore. I am fine with Al playing 18 minutes at PF (Josh can handle the other 30 minutes at PF), and 18 minutes at Center depending on the matchups.

However, we need one center capable of playing the other 30 mpg. I dont have confidence inTwin and ZaZa combined that they can handle 30 mpg consistently. The problem is I have no idea how to get that Center.

If we move Al to PF full time, I do think we should trade Josh to find a center, instead of playing Al at PF and Josh at SF.

Ken S,

Even if we were to trade for Sessions, I think Bibby should remain the starter and get his 24 mpg, and bring Sessions off the bench for 24 mpg. If Bibby is clearly struggling in the first, then LD can reduce his minutes.

Najeh,

The poll would be “how many GMs thought those contracts were good contracts at the time”

coach phil

February 20th, 2011
5:58 pm

The hawks need bench help down low. real big men not bargains for the league miinimum.

Ken Strickland

February 20th, 2011
6:13 pm

I think this idea of Horford taking a pounding is being overstated. Last yr, Woodson relied heavily on the switching DEF to try and hide MBibby’s and JCrawford’s DEF liabilities, and he usually spent most of his time out front switching off and defending against PG’s. Although we’ve relied less on the switching DEF this yr to hide their DEF liabilities, we’ve certainly used a lot more zone DEF. LDrew, like his predessor, really believes in using bandaides to cover the teams open wounds, especially when it comes to dealing with our PG issues.

I’m all for getting Sessions or Brooks, but wouldn’t it be ironic if we end up trading for basically what we might already have? The difference between Teague and the other 2 might turn out to be the difference between being given support, a chance to work through and learn from ones mistakes, and an honest chance to show what one can do, as apposed to being subjected to the WOODY TREATMENT.

niremetal

February 20th, 2011
7:03 pm

Trust me, I don’t reflexively defend Sund. If the Hawks don’t make a significant trade by the deadline (by which I mean one that brings in a new starter), I won’t a nice word to say about that.

Wally Walker

February 20th, 2011
7:13 pm

I agree with most that Sessions is not the long term answer, but something is better than nothing. It would be great if Cleveland really would take Bibby and a 2nd round pick. JC2 is not an option! ? If the Clippers are interested in Marvin then why wouldn’t Sund offer ZaZa(4.4mil) or better Bibby(6mil ending after next season) to a deal and go after Kaman. His contract ends next season and the salaries work. LAC gets Marvin and a replacement big man and the Hawks get a Center.
Finally, Nash or Harris are the only real PGs who can move a team to contender status. Again, there’s point to lose Jamal and get nothing in return. With Jamal, Mo (13.3 mil in expiring contracts) and a #1 pick, The simply have to make run for one; either could potentially give the Hawks what they need to contend for ECF and maybe more!

O'Brien

February 20th, 2011
9:04 pm

kobe looks like he is trying to win AS game MVP in the first quarter.

It would be nice to see Al and JJ have good games

doc

February 20th, 2011
9:06 pm

big ray here it is, a big no to change right now…

“The next two months and our performance in the playoffs will indicate as to exactly what this team is. The challenge is up to them.”

And this: “We’ve put ourselves in position to do something, so let’s see where it goes. We have to do it collectively and with chemistry and coaching and all that.”

I think he just said: “Bob Pettit is not walking through that door.”

AJ, durn it seems my first choice got dumped. at least he was in the list of candidates. heh heh

O'Brien

February 20th, 2011
9:12 pm

Al should have told Doc Rivers he wants to play PF…

doc

February 20th, 2011
9:21 pm

nire, i was wondering instead of composing a reading list for AJ of how to run and NBA franchise maybe you could work one up pronto and send it to sund and gearon jr. and co. they still look like they are clueless when it comes to running a winning franchise. ;-)

O'Brien

February 20th, 2011
10:16 pm

doc,

The irony is regular fans like us have simple ideas that probably would have helped, but the ASG (and their PR firm and marketing firm) seems like they have no clue sometimes.

But yet Gearon and the ASG is quick to point the finger at the fans for not supporting the team more.

doc

February 20th, 2011
11:06 pm

yes o’b, they are NEVER it as in the problem. never have they suggested they made a mistake in anything.

niremetal

February 20th, 2011
11:17 pm

But yet Gearon and the ASG is quick to point the finger at the fans for not supporting the team more.

Where?

doc

February 21st, 2011
12:36 am

nire though not necessarily what o’b may be referring to, i gave you the link for his view on his disappointment of fans not buying into the product earlier in the week but you were too tired to listen.

doc

February 21st, 2011
1:11 am

man the nba is such a dirty business. stern is so sullied and one more time shows how only the rich get richer, why and it is rigged unless you are good enough to play like the spurs do. they are kind of like the twins if they could just win once again a world series crown.

Steven A.

February 21st, 2011
1:11 am

ken Strickland—-S. Curry is not a natual pg. He plays horrible defense. Bierdens cannot shoot free throws. He is a liability in late game situations. Marvin is still Marvin, low basketball IQ. He does absolutely nothing great.