Hawks fans: Will Rick Sund rock the boat?

According to NBA.com, a little over 6 days and 14 hours remains before the NBA deadline is up. Normally, most Atlanta fans would half-heartedly lament the lack of rumors surrounding the Hawks, or talk of unrealistic trade proposals. Not this year. Since when is a winning record and a mere 1 game out of 4th place in the East cause for such alarm? Since when does a guaranteed playoff spot leave such feelings of gloom and doom?

Do we as Hawks fans not appreciate the team’s 34 victories in 55 tries? Or is it something else?

 

Good teams do this, Good teams do that…

It has gotten to the point where nearly every Atlanta win comes with a handful of caveats. Well, at least if you’re reading the blogs and what not. But it’s not just local fans and media. It’s everywhere. Why? It’s now just about who you beat. It’s also about who you don’t beat. The Hawks may have a better road record this season, but they are 6-13 against teams with winning records. Needless to say (and I’m going to say it anyway), this does not bode well for the postseason. Good teams compete well against other good teams. The Hawks have not done that this season, for the large part. Good teams find a way to overcome injuries to regular rotation players. The Hawks have done that this season. Good teams know their identity and their gameplan. The Hawks act like they can only remember this for a game at a time, and sometimes only for a quarter at a time. Are the Hawks a good team, or simply one with a winning record? Like all things, this is debatable. But it’s going to be hard to argue 6-13. It’s just not what good teams do.

Rumors

As usual, there isn’t much going on out there about the Hawks and who they might like to acquire. The lone bit of noise being made has to do with alleged interest in Cleveland Cavaliers guard Ramon Sessions. It’s hard to see how Sessions would make the Hawks instant or even eventual Eastern Conference Championship contenders, and adding him is a subject of some debate as well. While some stat experts can show that Sessions has issues on defense, could he really be worse than Mike Bibby or Jamal Crawford? Interestingly enough, there isn’t much being said about his offense, which certainly has its moments. The Hawks aren’t likely to get better at the point guard position through trade or free agency, but maybe that’s not the bandaid they should reach for right now. Maybe they should focus on having a guy who can drive the ball to the basket, find his teammates when the defense collapses, and shoot from where he knows how to shoot. Is it the total package? No, certainly not. But with Bibby’s lack of penetration and Jamal’s lack of “makes his teammates better”, maybe the Hawks should settle for solving one problem instead of continuing to strike out on two of them. Is Sessions worth the pursuit? Can the Hawks do better? What do YOU think?

Rock the boat, don’t rock the boat

The only thing worse than a dejected fan is an apathetic fan. If Hawks management and ownership can’t see this, then they are blind, deaf, and dumb. But that’s precisely what is happening. Gone is the team that defended home court with a zeal not easily matched last season. In it’s place is the same guys, but the passion appears to be missing. Larry Drew says the team has become too comfortable. Is he not part of this comfort level? General manager Rick Sund needs to rock the boat. He needs to rock it hard enough that the occupants think it’s going to capsize and begin holding on for dear life. But, this is not Sund’s way. The problem is that the entire organization seems quite well lulled to sleep. Even the finger pointing has all but stopped (sans Al Horford’s recent post game comments about not getting the ball enough). Perhaps nothing is worse than having one of your team captains say that everything is alright, when so many things clearly are NOT alright. Don’t tell Drew, but I think some of the players (too many of them) are still drinking the koolaid. Things only get worse after the all-star break. The Hawks only managed to sustain a single winning streak of longer than 3 games this season, and the schedule has been rather favorable. What are they going to do against all these winning teams that are coming up?

Time to rock the boat, Rick Sund. The occupants are mostly asleep, and the ship’s captain looks like he’s contemplating abdication.

So will the Hawks stand pat once more? Will they make any move of significance? Does anybody in the front office even care? We’ll know soon enough.

 

 

By Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest

235 comments Add your comment

Ken Strickland

February 18th, 2011
1:09 pm

The rediculous idea that JTeague can’t shoot the 3, or is a below par shooter from the perimeter, is a perfect example of people believing what they hear others repeat, rather than doing any research and thinking for themselves. Here’s a perfect example of that: BIBBY(TEAGUE)

2PTFG% 43.8%(43.3%), 3PTFG% 44.7(40.0%). Somehow, this extremely lame and unjustifiable excuse has been put in the minds of those looking for any lame excuse, and is being repeated to promote Bibby and crush Teague. Otherwise, how can anyone continue to believe that a .5 difference in 2PTFG%, and a 4.7 difference in 3PTFG% makes Teague an awful shooter and Bibby the absolute bomb? WHERE’S THE DAMNED LOGIC?

All that’s needed at this point is for LDrew to stop being an excuse making A$$ and give Teague the same opportunity that Bibby’s been given. Except in Teagues case, it will be an opportunity to show what he CAN DO, while Bibby has used his opportunity to consistently demonstrate what he CAN’T DO.

O'Brien

February 18th, 2011
1:14 pm

Another trade I proposed on the other blog, which would really shake things up…is Josh Smith and filler for Nene and filler.

Nene can play Center, which would allow Al to play PF full time. And Josh would instantly become Denver’s best PF (and I think his game would improve under George Karl).

Nene has a player option for next year, and would probably not want to stick around if Denver trades Melo and starts rebuilding, so Denver might trade him too.

He is injury prone, so maybe Denver can sweeten the deal a little bit, although they would still have to work out another trade for a Center.

Another option I thought about was Chris Kaman (who is expendable due to the emergence of DeAndre Jordan). But Kaman is just as injury prone, and I think he has 2 years left on his deal, whereas Nene only has one.

MannyT

February 18th, 2011
1:20 pm

Saying the Hawks are a Ramon Sessions away from moving into being a real contender in the east is like saying Donald Trump is only a casino away from sweating Bill Gates on the billionaire list.

It might be a minor improvement, but it doesn’t move the meter.

If you believe that then you probably believe the only thing that is stopping the ASG from being great owners is getting 100 more paying fans/game.

This is Sund rocking the lifeboat while it is locked into position on a cruise ship.

No hate for Bibby. How much did you really expect from him? Has he gotten worse since last year? I see the problem as no improvement from Teague, Joe & Jamal having a (temporary?) performance decline, limited success on the off season strategy of min salary big men, no real bench improvement beyond Wilkins who was only added due to more injuries/health problems this season.

I still give more credit to Orlando for taking a risk to move up than standing still with a group they didn’t think could win. This isn’t NASCAR where you can win a title by coming in 3rd every week. This is the only excuse I’ll give Sund–if he cannot make a significant improvement, there’s no need to trade for the sake of doing something.

Back to the shadows…

jfreak13713

February 18th, 2011
1:25 pm

I think Sund does care because his job is on the line in the long run but it’s ownership that seems not to have their head in the game. I don’t see the Hawks making any big moves and LD isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. For the most part what you see is what you get with the Hawks and from a fans perspective there is no real hope in sight? The Hawks will probably win 48 – 50 games and make playoffs as 4th or 5th seed but nobody including the Hawks believe their is much hope for a deep playoff run. So what you get is players playing for their paychecks and nothing more and money can only motivate so much.

coops

February 18th, 2011
1:33 pm

Good points all but Hawks only need two players… strong PG and a real, center sized center that can run. After that, they should stick to an up tempo game and use the half court game less – Hawks have consistently shown they are best in an open court game. Drew needs to MAKE Josh stop standing in the corner and move him around. Joe needs to accept his role as the leader or handle the team…why let Horford do it? If he can’t, move him and his contract and use what you’ve got.

Play on if you want to stay on!

dap01

February 18th, 2011
1:36 pm

When the Hawks hired Billy Knight, he was the least expensive hire available. When the Hawks hired Woody, he was the least expensive hire available. When the Hawks hired Sund, he was the least expensive hire available. When the Hawks looked for players, they look for the least expensive hires available.

See a pattern?

Astro Joe

February 18th, 2011
1:40 pm

Some radio reports out there say that the Nets and Nuggets have a greed a trade… just waiting for Melo to agree to the contract terms. Once the deal gets done, I expect several trades to pop in the next few days. Guys may be trying on different uniforms during the AS weekend (it would be kind of funny to watch Melo start the game with a West uni on and finish with the East squad).

Astro Joe

February 18th, 2011
1:42 pm

So Derrick Rose scored a career high last night, huh? Who was checking him, Bibby? Surely some other slow-footed PG. Quick PGs never give up a lot of points. :twisted:

Ken Strickland

February 18th, 2011
1:54 pm

OBRIEN-The point is, Jordan isn’t playing at all, no matter who he’s playing behind. Here’s the bottomline. He’s young, he’s a rookie, and it appears that LDrew seems to share the same stupid bias that Woodson had toward players that fall into this category. We have those who are stuck in the past with their constant references to who we COULDA, SHOULDA drafted.

But the fail to factor in the fact that if we had drafted DWilliams, or CPaul or BRoy, we definitely wouldn’t be seeing the All Star performers we’ve seen over the last few yrs. After all, they too would have been inexperienced rookies sitting on the bench and definitely receiving the WOODY TREATMENT. Woody felt CPaul was too small and DWilliams was too plump, and with JJ playing ahead of Roy, he would have gotten the WOODY TREATMENT as well.

From the time of MWoodson’s first draft to the present, we’ve developed only 4 players, and 3 of them or current starters, PF JSmith, SF MWilliam and C AHorford. The 4th player was swing man JChildress. The approach Woodson used with these players was to give them plenty of mins, let them make mistake, and develop as they learn from their mistakes. As a result of that approach, we have one 2 time All Star(AHorford), one All Star caliber performer(JSmith), and one of the NBA’a best 5th scoring options, and who plays good DEF. And JChildress develop into an annual challenger for the 6th MOY award.

The approach Woodson chose for his guards, which is being repeated by LDrew, is what I call the WOODY TREATMENT, and has yielded absolutely nothing. The Hawks are in the 7th yrs since Woodson was hired, and we’re still having serious problems at PG because of this absolutely STUPID and UNPRODUCTIVE approach. The only thing we’ve managed to develop, from using the approach towards rookie guards that Woodson started and Drew has continued, is more of the same unresolved problems we started out having at PG.

tremaine

February 18th, 2011
1:55 pm

The hawks should have started Teague a month ago. Then they would have had enough time to see if he can run the team. If not then make the trade for Sessions.

The U

February 18th, 2011
2:04 pm

I couldn’t agree more with you Mr. Strickland. That ole saying “doing the same thing and expecting different result” applies to Drew and his handling of his young guards.

Ken Strickland

February 18th, 2011
2:10 pm

ASTRO JOE-That was cold.

Ken Strickland

February 18th, 2011
2:40 pm

DAP01-I wouldn’t consider JJ THE LEAST EXPENSIVE HIRE AVAILABLE, nor would I consider MWilliam, ZPachulia, MBibby, AHorford or JSmith as the LEAST EXPENSIVE HIRES AVAILABLE.

LDrew, along withRSund and the ASG, must stop making excuses and start making changes, and they have about a week to get it done. Here’s what I see as the difference between MWoodson and LDrew.

1-LDrew actually gives a damn about the OFF, which seems to be about the only thing he seems to give a damn about, and MWoodson openly admitted that he didn’t.
2-Woodson wouldn’t acknowledge recognition a problem even if he knew it existed. LDrew does acknowledge his awareness of a problem, but while he’ll offer up potential solutions, we usually end up getting little more than lip service and excuses.
3-LDrew has proven to be a bit more flexible than Woodson in his willingness to make adjustments and utilize his bench.

Other than these 3 issues, I don’t see enough of anything else that significantly separates the 2 HC’s.

The Truth

February 18th, 2011
2:43 pm

It is a fair question to ask why Josh Smith is camped-out on the 3-point line when he is playing PF. In contrast, do you see Horford camped-out there when he’s playing PF? No, Al is at his sweet spots. If Josh is out of position then it’s the coach responsibility to point that out and make adjustments. If he doesn’t, then LD should share the blame for Josh’s ill-advised shot selection. Often I wonder does Josh really see LD as his HC or just a continuation of Woody’s assistant playing the HC role. Perhaps that assistant coach rapport is still there and has not been broken to explain Josh consistent defiant of LD’s instructions.

dap01

February 18th, 2011
2:46 pm

KS: I agree, my point should have been that the decision makers are always the “cheapest hire”.

Where is this franchise headed?

The Truth

February 18th, 2011
2:49 pm

So LD has yet to really assert himself as HC respect to Josh Smith (it’s seem). This falls in the area of leadership or lack there of.

Astro Joe

February 18th, 2011
2:55 pm

The Truth, Josh shoots 3s because he wants to. Al doesn’t want to (yet). Evidently the head coach of the Atlanta Hawks is unable to dictate the shots his players take… so he is at the mercy of their wishes. We should all be grateful that Zaza and Twin and others don’t want to take 3-point shots.

The Game Has Changed

February 18th, 2011
3:19 pm

The problem with the Hawks is we should have kept Mike Woodson. How can you fire a coach that have improved every year. We are what we are. A second round team. Well, we were last year. Now we are a first round team. Not to mention, we wont win as many games as we did last year. Drews job will be on the line early next year. When we are sitting in 8th place midway through the season

The Truth

February 18th, 2011
3:20 pm

AJ
“so he is at the mercy of their wishes.”

That maybe “The Truth” but the coach control PT

Ideally, you would think one action (shooting ill-advised or untimely 3’s by the player) would be synonymous with a reaction (allocation of PT) which is controlled by the coach. But since this team is not the ideal NBA team with so many subpars on the bench, perhaps LD hands are tied. On a better team with a good bench, such repeated defiant actions by a player would land him in the doghouse.

Astro Joe

February 18th, 2011
3:24 pm

Woody hired LD to be his lead assistant. While that doesn’t mean that they agreed on each and everything, it likely means that they have more in common than not. Imagine that you are offered your dream job and need to hire a staff of people to ensure your success. You may hire people who have different perspectives to get a good diverse opinion but my guess is that you would share more in common than not. Over the six years, it is certainly possible that they could have “grown apart” and differed in some of the key elements of managing the team, but there was something in the DNA that brought them together initially. Anyone who expected something radically different shouldn’t blame LD, they should recognize the error in their own thinking. Woody came from the Larry Brown coaching tree. The ASG hired someone from Woody’s personal branch. If you wanted a head coach who would play rookies even while trying to win 50 games and secure homecourt advantage, then you aren’t likely getting that from the Larry Brown tree. Some of y’all seem mad that the tiger has stripes when you should be trying to figure out why you would expect a tiger NOT to have stripes.

The Game Has Changed

February 18th, 2011
3:58 pm

So AJ, all that you are saying is the Apple doesnt fall far from the tree. That is true. Ill give you that. My problem is giving up on Mike Woodson after this man brought us from the gutter. (10 years of losing) But the Thrashers made the same mistake years ago when they had a good team, Now look at them.

Veteran Fan

February 18th, 2011
4:00 pm

PLEASE trade Josh and Zaza to the Timberwolves for Kevin Love and Darko. A front line of Darko, Horford, and Love would destroy every team in the East except for Boston and they better be ready to play! Then send Bibby and Jamal to the Suns for Nash. Without Bibby, JJ might move a little and he would have no more excuses. Nash could teach Teague how to play in the NBA and Jordan Crawford could begin to develop a little with some playing time! Either deal throw in Marvin if needed! Please Rick get us some players who show up every night and earn their dollars! By the way if the Knicks panic after the Melo deal send them JJ for Galinari! That would sure free up some cash!

The Truth

February 18th, 2011
4:21 pm

Atlanta gets:

Monta Ellis

Golden State gets:

Josh Smith

If you listen to the ESPN podcast The B.S. Report with Bill Simmons, then you might have heard him mention this trade in one of his recent podcasts. But honestly, this is a fantastic trade and the crazy thing is that it really helps both teams.

Each guy is making around $11 Million this year, so they could be traded heads up for each other and according to the NBA Trade Machine, both teams get better after the trade. Atlanta is predicted to win seven more games and Golden State is predicted to win three more.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/612187-nba-trade-rumors-shocking-deals-every-team-in-the-nba-may-still-pull-off?utm_source=bleacherreport.com#page/2

ag

February 18th, 2011
4:37 pm

Guys this is not fantasy basketball. The Hawks are not going to make a major trade. Josh, Al and Joe are going nowhere… Other trades may include us taking someone else’s trash for out trash. Also, it was time for Woodson to leave, but as AJ says, hiring LD is an extension of Woody except for the great “motion” offense….

O'Brien

February 18th, 2011
4:40 pm

AJ,

If the Melo deal goes through, I think Denver will have a firesale, and alot of dominoes will fall. However, I dont think the Hawks will do anything regardless…

As for LD and Woody, I thought it was interesting that at his press conference, LD said (and I might be paraphrasing) that as an assistant, all you can do is give suggestions to the HC. And then the HC decided what he wants to do. So he was implying his suggestions were being ignored by Woody.

And I can see some of those suggestions being play the bench more, get the team to pass more etc. Unfortunately, we have lost games because LD left the bench in there too long, and the motion offense goes away in crunch time, and we get jumper happy.

(imo), LD is only a minor improvement over Woody (so far).

The Game Has Changed

February 18th, 2011
5:16 pm

Veteran Fan, why would we trade away players that have been to 3 straight playoffs, for players who may never make the playoffs. Also, THE TRUTH, Josh Smith is needed more than M. Ellis. Marvin and Za Za need to go. The Hawks messed up by not getting Shaq. He could have cleared up 4 needs.Fans,a center, Horford moving to the Pf, and Josh moving to the Sf.

Man Man

February 18th, 2011
5:21 pm

Get Roddy Beaubois from the MAVS.Dude can play

Ken Strickland

February 18th, 2011
5:22 pm

DAP01-That’s a darn good question.

To elaborate further on my earlier comment about people who listen to others and ASS-U-ME, rather than doing reseach and finding out for themselves, are only looking for excuses.

We continue to hear the claim that JSmith and JTeague can’t shoot and should be prevented from taking 3’s. Well, here are the facts:
1-JSmith’s 3PTFG%(348%) ranks THIRD(3rd), behind MBibby’s .447% and JTeague’S .400%, among all Hawk players that have taken more than 1(ONE) 3pt attempt.
2-JTeague ranks 2nd in 3PTFG%, among all Atlanta Hawk 3pt shooters.
3-JSmith’s 476FG% ranks 2nd, behind AHorford’s 568FG%, in overall FG%.

So why in the devil would anyone have a problem with JTeague or JSmith shooting 3’s, or shooting period for that matter? AGAIN I ASK, WHERE’S THE DOGGONE LOGIC?

Man Man

February 18th, 2011
5:33 pm

Ken Strickland,

Thank you for posting that.Josh smith has up his overall game a lot.IDK WHAT these bonehead fans be talking bout he needs to stop shooting.He is usually wide open or at the end of the shot clock.How is a wide open shot a bad shot i ask again?

KevinM

February 18th, 2011
5:50 pm

I have figured out why we don’t move forward and make needed changes.

We have lost our basketball expert, because no way does any team do what this team did in the offseason and be content with those moves.
Gearon nor Sund are experts, so don’t expect them to all of a suddenly light a fire.

ag

February 18th, 2011
5:50 pm

“Get Roddy Beaubois from the MAVS.Dude can play” –
If they can get that guy, he can go!!! He is third string, but I will trade Marvin for him in an instant!! The salaries may not work, but the Hawks need to make them work.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

February 18th, 2011
5:51 pm

Zaza and Twin camped out at the 3 point line – the vision of that is priceless.
J Smoove’s stubborn, dog-headed approach to the game is his biggest drawback. While him being headstrong has paid dividends in him developing a decent long range game, that same stubbornness has kept him from attacking the rack, posting up defenders, and crashing the boards when his camping out from 3 and spreading the floor have proven ineffective…I recall before opening day, J Smoove telling the media he would stick with the midrange and not many 3’s – so much for that. Horford needs to continue to harp on his lack of touches. Raise some Hell in the locker room – respectfully, as a true leader should. Its an issue that needs to be addressed and resolved.

The Game Has Changed

February 18th, 2011
5:55 pm

Man Man you are right about Josh Smith shooting 3s. The problem is, he is a inside out player and not an outside in player. A lot of his 3s are bail out shots. Take that thang to the bucket and get folks in foul trouble. When he take 3s, Horford is left inside to grab rebounds by himself. Josh needs to be on the boards. Thats the same problem my high school coach was having with Derrick Favors when he played at my high school. He thought he was made to shoot 3s. But he soon learned the value of driving to the basket

ag

February 18th, 2011
5:57 pm

Ellis for J. Smith also goes on the list for DUMB trades. Guys again, the Hawks have to get a project and turn it into gold. Again Beaubois is the third point on Dallas. Thabeet only plays garbage minutes. Give up the exception and Marvin and we have a great deal! We are not getting ‘a center ie Dwight Howard’ for ZaZa, Etan, Wilkins, blah, blah, blah… just because the Hawks are playing Al out of position. Again, this in NOT the biggest need. In order..
1. A PG
2. A SF
3. A C
Although by addressing 3, you can fix two. We need a defensive minded center to block shot, defense and rebound, that is why I am high on the 7′3″ Thabeet. Memphis is as mad at him, blowing a 2nd round pick on him. This deal makes the most sense. Also for all of those who have given up on Teague. A couple of seasons ago, Mike Conley was looking like a pure bust. He is looking better every year and I bet by next year he will be considered among the top point guards.

Veteran Fan

February 18th, 2011
6:06 pm

To The Game has Changed The rest of the eastern conference is getting better and we have not improved! If the goal is to make the playoffs, then of course stand pat, because there are enough weak teams to let you get in! But if the goal is to contend then we are in a world of trouble! LD said it best when he said they are complacent and comfortable! Teams rise and they fall, you must keep your eye on the prize to make sure your team is rising! This group has peaked and make too much money for the results and the fans know it! Josh wanders the floor and has never developed a consistent game because he refuses to work on his weaknesses(refusal to box out, ignoring his defensive assignment to sneak around and block shots, arguing with the officials on every call, inability to pass effectively, free throws, and outside shooting). He is a gifted player without being a true professional and it hurts the whole team! JJ is lazy and unmotivated period. I have never seen a player with his size who plays below the rim when we need his size and Bibby feeds into his problems by only passing to him. By the way how many playoffs has Nash been to versus Bibby and Jamal? Darko is not great, but he does have the size to contend with Shaq, Boozer, Noah, and Howard when we need it and he does have an offensive game. Kevin Love is incredible with a complete game and an intense rebounder, brings it every night! Galinari for JJ frees up a ton of money to either draft or attract a center in the off season and he is a similiar type player, who would shine with Nash for a couple of seasons. The point is it is time to put a team on the floor who works hard every night and contends! No one expects us to win a championship, but it is vital being a fan to CONTEND and this team does not!!!! Also, to Ken Strickland, if you think 34% for three pt accuracy or 47% for a strong forward when the center who doesn’t shoot beyond the free throw line is at 57% is great for Josh then you do not realize his potential if he played like AL!

niremetal

February 18th, 2011
6:33 pm

Ken,

Teague and Josh are left wide open for their 3s. Teams dare them to shoot those. JJ, Jamal, Bibby, and to a lesser degree Marvin/Mo generally have to shoot them with a hand in their face. That’s because other teams recognize that they can live with an uncontested 3 from Teague or Josh. They can’t live with an uncontested 3 from the other guys on the Hawks who shoot them.

To Teague’s credit, he does not usually give into temptation and pull the trigger on the 3 unless it’s late in the shot clock and he’s wide open. You can’t say the same about Josh. Which is why teams are giddy that he started off the year shooting sufficiently well from deep, because now he thinks he’s a sharpshooter from out there and is actually shooting MORE of them now (2.7 per game so far in Feb) than he did earlier this year (1.3 in Nov) despite the fact that his 3P% has fallen off significantly since the new year (.302 since the new year and .211 so far in Feb).

The Truth

February 18th, 2011
6:52 pm

The Game Has Changed

“Josh Smith is needed more than M. Ellis”

Agreed, I just posted that link to inform bloggers about the chatter around the league. So that is not my recommendation. I have been and still am a fan of Josh, but his obsession with proving he can shoot is both a blessing and a curse. Yes he shoots 47.6% FG and 34.8% 3PT from the perimeter, but that’s not the flaw. The flaw is the 52.4% FG and 65.2% 3PT he misses (not to mention his high TO ranking) come during critical times in the game that cause the team a setback. His quest to be a “one-man” hero is the source of the problem. He said it himself that he is out to prove to all the EC coaches that they made a mistake in not selecting him on the All-star team. I like the cause but I don’t like the effect.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

February 18th, 2011
6:53 pm

@ The Game Has Changed and Niremetal, do you think Smoove will ever get it? Favors ‘got it’ in highschool!
@ Big Ray – the proverbial ‘boat’ needs a rockin’. I am ultimately open to regime change. Drew treats defense like Woody treated offense – Dumb and Dumber…but realistically I am open to acquiring Sessions and of Thabeet. We could relegate Bibby to our resident assassin off the bench and 2nd unit floor leader eventually. We could nail Zaza or to the pine or ship export him to Memphis. I wanna visit his eatery next time I am in Atlanta but his game has regressed – not even a 1 star.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

February 18th, 2011
7:00 pm

Glue – not nail Zaza to the pine. That did not read right.

niremetal

February 18th, 2011
7:04 pm

AJ,

Imagine that you are offered your dream job and need to hire a staff of people to ensure your success. You may hire people who have different perspectives to get a good diverse opinion but my guess is that you would share more in common than not. Over the six years, it is certainly possible that they could have “grown apart” and differed in some of the key elements of managing the team, but there was something in the DNA that brought them together initially.

Your efforts to compare the various components of the business of basketball to your experiences in other walks of life are consistently amusing and interesting, but rarely on-point. First off, the head coach doesn’t have exclusive say over who his assistants are. The front office usually has more than a little something to say about that (just ask Doug Collins in Chicago or Phil Jackson when he got to LA). For the “grown apart” thing, it’s clear you aren’t very well-read when it comes to basketball memoirs. Everything I’ve read (and the few guys I’ve talked to who’ve been in the business) indicates that the exact opposite of what you indicate is the rule – you far more often see coaches hire guys with different strengths and different philosophies, and then watch them “converge” to a single philosophy for coaching the team, rather than bringing in a bunch of guys who already share the same DNA or however you want to put it.

If you’re a guy like Jerry Sloan, Larry Brown, Don Nelson, or (since ‘05) Phil Jackson whose been in the business 20 years already and is pretty set in stone about their philosophies, you tend to see more of that. But that’s the exception, not the rule.

Woody hired LD to be his lead assistant. While that doesn’t mean that they agreed on each and everything, it likely means that they have more in common than not.

You ever read Seven Seconds or Less, More Than a Game, or Breaks of the Game? Head coaches often, if not mostly, hire assistant coaches precisely because they bring a different perspective to the table. D’Antoni hired two assistants in Phoenix whose offensive philosophies were quite different from his – Gentry was in the Flip Saunders “let the offense fit the team” mold (which is why he has coached both half-court and transition teams) and Iavaroni preferred a half-court oriented system (and focused more on defense anyway – something that D’Antoni has admitted he doesn’t know much about). Same with Nate McMillan/Dean Demopoulos/Monty Williams and Doc Rivers/Tom Thibodeaux/Lawrence Frank. Phil Jackson had Charley Rosen (who was his philosophical twin) as an assistant when he first came to the CBA, but went with on-court assistants (notably Jim Cleamons and Frank Hamblen) who brought a different philosophy – they eventually filled in each others’ gaps and now say they generally are of like mind, but that wasn’t the case when they first started together.

Coaches usually don’t go out and hire coaches who think like them. More often they go out with the specific intention of finding assistants who fill “gaps” in their self-perceived knowledge and philosophy of the game.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

February 18th, 2011
7:08 pm

I have not given up on Smoove yet either. I am just frustrated with the ‘effect’ of his quest to be Mr Everything.

Ken Strickland

February 18th, 2011
7:24 pm

NIREMETAL-You’re right about both players taking wide open shots because they are usually wide open. But isn’t that when you would prefer them to take those shots, and wouldn’t you say they’re doing a pretty good job of making them? They’re certainly doing a better job than the majority of their teammates.

Any Hawk player that wants to get involved in the OFF, and doesn’t have excellent ball handling and/or one on one skills, usually has to position himself above the key if he wants to receive a pass from Bibby, since he won’t initiate the OFF below the 3pt line. That usually leaves 3 options, 1- a long drive attempt to the basket, or 2-a long jumpshot, or 3-no chance to score.Bibby doesn’t make anything easy, or easier, for his teammates, especially on DEF.

I don’t see a trade of any kind by the Hawks. The ASG wants to let our expiring contracts expire and wait for the CBA to be resolved before committing to any roster moves.

ag

February 18th, 2011
7:37 pm

I doubt any trade will be made, but they have to make a change. START JEFF TEAGUE

Ken Strickland

February 18th, 2011
7:38 pm

HAWKS FAN IN NOLA-If JSmith took a passive attitude towards his involvement in our OFF and how it’s being run, he’d most likely end up becoming another version of MWilliams. We don’t have a PG that distributes, creates easier scoring opportunities, especially anywhere near the basket, pushes the ball or the tempo, attacks the DEF or his man, gets to the FT line, or makes teams pay when they double team.

If we acquired a PG that could do all of those things, plus consistently play anything that even vaguely resembles DEF, we’d instantaneously become a far better and more consistent team overall.

Ken Strickland

February 18th, 2011
7:46 pm

AG-While I’d love to see Teague become our starting PG, I’d be content to see him get more mins more consistently. Starting him would at least guarantee a chance he’d play more with the starters, and help with reducing the problem we’ve had with falling behind early when teams are successful when targeting Bibby. Drew has to get it through his obviously thick skull that he can’t continue trying to hide Bibby’s numerous liabilities, limitations and inconsistency, which forces everyone else into playing what amounts to 4 on 5, and on both ends of the court.

ag

February 18th, 2011
7:48 pm

+ Shoot-first point guard with quick first step who likes to drive to basket.

+ Outstanding college shooter who struggled to adjust to pro 3-point line.

+ Hyper, high-risk, gambling defender; blocks shots but fouls far too often.

The mutterings from the Hawks after the season were that Teague needed to play more, but I wonder if we were watching the same guy. While he certainly showcased the talent to create shots and defend the position, and he distributed the ball decently enough, he couldn’t put the ball in the basket.

As a shoot-first point guard, that’s a problem. Teague placed 66th out of 71 point guards in TS percentage and nailed only seven 3-pointers all year, which was unexpected after he hit 44 percent at Wake Forest a year earlier. The hope is that he can turn the corner in his second season, and if he does, the point guard job awaits on a silver platter for him.

Teague also needs to calm down on defense. He excels at blocking shots from behind but lands in that situation far too often because he’s beaten so easily. He also rated third among point guards in fouls per minute, which is unacceptable for a starter.

This is what Hollinger skinny on Teague. His stats have improved over last year, and he is shooting 40% from 3pt and 43% overall.

ag

February 18th, 2011
7:56 pm

Okay, if LD does not make changes after the AS Break, his press conference will be the same (except maybe a loss to the Lakers)
“Didn’t defend the pick and roll very well, settled for two many jump shots, went away from what was working for us”.

The Game Has Changed

February 18th, 2011
8:20 pm

I must say, ALL of you guys have made valet points. I agree with all except Teague starting. (AG) I just feel for the first time since 98 we are in shooting distance of taking it to the next level. To make progress you have to make changes but all changes dont equal progress. Sund needs to make a splash soon.

ag

February 18th, 2011
8:27 pm

If u dont make a trade you have to make a change. Do you really think Teague will do WORSE than Bibby?

desee

February 18th, 2011
9:06 pm

Sund must be ready to pick up the pieces when NJ looses the Carmelo sweepstakes. NJ needs Joe and the Hawks need cap space. Trading Joe will change the team culture. Trade everyone you can, except Josh/Al/JC2.