Hawks fans: The view on Coach Drew

Well, after 41 games played, the Hawks sit with a record of 26 wins and 15 losses at the literal halfway point in the season. Is this where we should expect them to be? Are they further along than last season, or behind it? On pace to win 52 games if they can match the results of the first half, the Hawks would seem to have not lost much ground. However, two major factors could stand in Atlanta’s way of once again winning a top 3 or top 4 seed to the playoffs: a tougher second half schedule, and the Chicago Bulls.

In the meantime, how is Head Coach Larry Drew looking? At the suggestion of Hawks fan and blogger Astro Joe, we’ll review some major topics involving the “new” sideline prowler. I would post Astro Joe’s thoughts on the situation at the time of his excellent suggestion (which was weeks ago), but he may have taken a different view on some subjects by now. At any rate, here is some of what he (and I’m sure many of us) thought we should review on Larry Drew:

1) The offense. Clearly, things are different for the team from this aspect. Well, that is to say that they have the potential to be different. Two things have been constant for  Atlanta the last couple of years. One, they knew they could win by sharing the ball, and often win big. Two, they have relied on the work of two go-to scorers in the backcourt when other things weren’t working, or when things got tough. In other words, the ball movement of Drew’s offense makes this team better when they choose to execute it consistently. Truthfully, the ball and player movement is better. But neither is as consistent as it should be. Is this an issue with the guys wearing the jerseys, as it was last season? Does it fit a team that boasts two of the most talented offensive backcourt players? Has Drew truly improved the offense, or does more credit go to the growth of guys like Al Horford? How has this new offense fared in the tougher, tighter games? Last season, the Hawks scored 101.7 ppg on 46.8% shooting. This season? 98.1 ppg on 46.9% shooting.

2) The defense. Larry Drew said he would hold everybody accountable on defense, and he’s more or less been true to his word. That is to say, Drew has the Hawks playing man-to-man defense, rather than switching all the time. What of the results? The Hawks are allowing 95.3 ppg and 45.3% on field goals for opponents. Last season, the Hawks allowed 97 ppg on 46% shooting. However, it seems more like the Hawks are trying to outscore opponents more than they are trying to stop them. But, as some of you have already noted, this may be the best path for a team that isn’t built for great team defense. Also, the Hawks are rebounding slightly less than last season. Is Drew truly holding the Hawks accountable on defense? The last game (a loss to the Rockets) demonstrated some unfavorable defensive results, as well as more of the same observations. How about what Coach Drew thought about it? Well, it’s a bit interesting. At the same time, we’ve seen better defensive efforts out of Mike Bibby and Jamal Crawford than we’ve ever seen out of them in a Hawks uniform. Is it enough? What about team defense overall?

3) Developing the youngsters. Where does second year guard Jeff Teague truly stand? In the beginning, Larry Drew proclaimed that he wanted Jeff Teague to compete for the starting job. Teague didn’t even look the part, to be honest. After probably 30 games, it seemed that the kid finally came out of his shell, showing himself to be more aggressive on both ends of the court in most games where he got any real playing time. However, he still isn’t even a part of the rotation. Is he simply not good enough? I’d argue that the answer is “yes” in the beginning of the season. But now? Well, it seems that Drew is seeing things precisely the way his predecessor saw them: it’s more productive from an offensive standpoint to bring Crawford off the bench as THE backup guard. Is Drew still committed to Teague’s development, or is the young point man simply caught up in a situation where Crawford’s recent offensive output is just too much to ignore?

What about Jordan Crawford? With Joe Johnson back in his groove, and Crawford playing like he’ll get the Sixth Man award a second straight year, the rookie shooting guard doesn’t look to have much of a chance at playing more than 2-3 mpg. Maybe Drew can’t be blamed here, seeing as how the Hawks have trouble finishing a game off early these days. But back to Teague – is it situational, or is the head coach simply not keeping his word?

4) Josh will play more in the paint, Horford more at the 4. This is sort of like the promises a presidential candidate makes during his/her campaign. Drew said he would get Josh off the perimeter, and more into the paint. He also said he would play Al Horford more at the power forward position. The latter? Check. The former? Well, um…..

The situation with Josh Smith continues to be a bit of a roller coaster. From a positive perspective, Smith has finally developed an actual jump shot, and is shooting respectably from three point range. From a negative perspective, his field goal percentage is down from last season’s 50.5% to 46.6%. What about all the shots in between the paint and the three point arc? This is where much of the trouble is, as Smith doesn’t hit enough of those to justify his shot selection. If you want more details into this one specific aspect of Hawks basketball, read the blog after every game and look for Hawks fan/blogger Niremetal’s “Josh’s jumpers update.” Yes, we do some interesting things around here.

Either way, Josh hasn’t gotten into the paint more than usual. Perhaps the most likely indication is his free throw attempts. Smith is on pace to have fewer of those this season than he did last season. Suffice it to say that he doesn’t get fouled much on jumpshot attempts. Is this typical stubborn Josh, or is it a result of Drew’s offense? Either way, the promise isn’t being delivered on.

5) Lineups and use of the bench. Larry Drew has made his mark with the way he uses this roster, if nothing else. Marvin Williams’ absence due to injury is possibly all that keeps Drew from revealing whether or not he’ll go with a different starting lineup from here on out, than in year’s past. Interstingly enough, it may be Marvin Williams who finds himself a starter no longer, and a super sub (we hope, if that be the case) instead. Drew helped motivate Jason Collins into better physical condition, then rewarded his hard work and savvy with 14 game starts, mostly against teams with bigger centers. The results have largely been favorable, as that Hawks lineup has proven statistically to be the most effective lineup overall in many situations. Oddly enough, most guys are playing the same minutes they played last season, with some notable exceptions. Joe Johnson is down to a more manageable 36 mpg, while Mike Bibby is up to 31 mpg (27.4 last season). The difference? More guys playing double figure minutes when they do get into games. Last season, 9 guys played double figure minutes, with a tenth averaging just under 10 mpg. This season, there are 11 Hawks playing in double figure minutes, with a twelfth averaging just under 10 mpg. The rotation itself is largely the same.

Yet, another major difference is where guys are playing. While Al Horford enjoys more time at his more natural position of power forward (don’t argue with me, he says it and the coach says it), Joe Johnson has played more small forward, and Mo Evans has played more shooting guard.

 

So there you have it. How would you grade Head Coach Larry Drew so far this season? You can grade him according to the above categories, but don’t stop there. Come up with your own categories and grades as well.

HAWKS VS. KINGS

Last Meeting: The Hawks needed a heavy dose of Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford to close out a somewhat tight win over the Kings. The frontcourt struggled all night. But that was in Sacramento. Will the frontcourt guys get their act together and supplement the red hot Johnson and Crawford back home in the Highlight Factory?

195 comments Add your comment

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2011
11:59 am

nire, a business that gives up on growing it’s market share will likely never grow it’s market share. If the ASG are doing nothing because of what happened 20 years ago, then why did they purchase this team? Where is the vision to do better? This city watched a previous Falcons ownership that operating on the cheap (they didn’t even bother to offer Deion Sanders a contract extension), Arthur Blank didn’t assume that he couldn’t do better, he had the audacity to believe that he could take a lump of coal and transform it into a great NFL franchise (he’s not there yet but he is well on his way). Sorry, but I won’t excuse a lack of marketing due to the demographic nature of this city. That’s an easy out and one that I sincerely hope our ownership is not taking.

Elite Vince

January 18th, 2011
12:22 pm

I like what Larry Drew has done with different line up starting and situational. One line up i would like to see is the hot guys on the floor and the best defensive also. Joe Johnson,and Jamal Crawford for offense. Josh Smith, Al Horford, and a third guy playing center. We would have two great ISO guys that could create there own shots and three bigs that can guard the goal.

vava74

January 18th, 2011
12:24 pm

steve brown,

Jamal’s “clutchness” is vastly overrated as is his real importance to this team’s success.

Check http://www.82games.com for last year’s clutch stats on Jamal and prepare yourself for a reality check.

Apart from the shot against Phoenix Jamal shot horribly in the clutch.

Also, weren’t you the one saying that Jamal was our MVP? What about this past 2 games in which we lost one and nearly lost another against sub-par competition?

Do you have NBA leaguepass? If so, just check out the closing moments of the first quarter against the Kings (when he had finally erased a deficit) and see how Udrih got 5 of his 7 points in 3 possession in a row. Udrih, for crying out loud, not Paul or Rose, Udrih!

A bad apple (not from a personality point of view) ruins a whole basket of good apples (the problem worsens when we already have a so so apple in Smoove).

Jamal’s presence on court generates the wrong vibe and unless he is smoking (shooting above .500) his presence on court must be controlled to the max.

steve brown

January 18th, 2011
1:49 pm

VAVA74-I went to the stat site you recommended and Jamal’s numbers looked good to me but I will admit it was a bit complex for my old school mind. I guess I will just have to take your word for it. I will say that if you asked me in whose hands I want the ball during crunch time it would be 1A-Joe Johnson, 1B-Jamal, and 2-Al Horford. But I only come to this conclusion from observation.

doc

January 18th, 2011
2:29 pm

borrowed from the other blog …. nire might salivate on these remarks …..

rod asks; show me a scouting report on marvin positive to paraphrase and steve w responds …

SteveW
January 18th, 2011
12:59 pm

Rod, this is from SBNation January 15th of this year talking about Marvin.”His absence removes arguably Atlanta’s best perimeter defender from the lineup.” This was written by Kris Willis, who also writes for Peachtree Hoops.

This is from Tom Ziller on Hoopinion in 2009, “He’s a stellar defender at the small forward spot, agile and looooong.” Speaking of Marvin

This from Backseat GM Feb. of 2010, The Title of the Article is “The Most Overlooked Perimeter Defenders” It says, “Marvin Williams – A 6-9 SF should be a good perimeter defender, but it took Marvin Williams a couple seasons to harness his athletic ability into becoming a good defender, but many people haven’t noticed it yet. In the past year, the Hawks have held their opponents to 7.4 less points per game while he has been on the court, one of the highest numbers in the NBA according to basketballvalue.com. While Williams does lack the strength to guard PFs, he has the speed and strength necessary to bother even the stronger SFs in the NBA. He is doubly more valuable to the Hawks because they do not have other perimeter defenders of William’s caliber and often are trying to make up for Mike Bibby’s defensive shortcomings.”

Rod, I know you like Josh Smith, but you don’t have to run Marvin down to like Josh. It’s not a contest, they’re both on the same team. Marvin is shooting better than ever this season at 48.8%. Chill dude. Don’t you remember before Al, Bibby, and Jamal got here, Marvin was a legit scoring threat.

For April of ‘07 in 9 games Marvin averaged 16.8 ppg and 6.2 rpg
November of ‘07 15.4 and 6.1 in 15 games
December of ‘ 07 18.1 and 5.2 in 13 games including 4 consecutive 20 pt. games in a row
January of ‘08 16.7 and 6.2 including a 33 point game on the road in Seattle.

But then we got scorers in, and Marvin had to change his game, which he did graciously, to help the team win.

Remember Marvin’s 26 at Boston earlier this season, when Josh scored 1?

Marvin is an ok player for what he is. He’s still only 24. He makes 5 mill. less than Josh per year. Let’s just see the Hawks win!

niremetal

January 18th, 2011
3:38 pm

AJ,

To the extent that Atlanta does care about sports, it cares about college sports first. And to the extent it cares about sports generally, it cares about football and baseball before basketball. That being said, the Falcons’ and Braves’ attendance has nearly always been lower than their ranking in the standings – just not to the same degree as the Hawks’. Ted Turner and Arthur Blank, so often hailed as saviors, were unable to reverse those trends. The Falcons were 15th in attendance this year despite having the league’s second best record. Last year, it was T-11th/17th. The year before it was T-6th/23rd.

The only significant blip during the Falcons’ existence was that in 3 out of the 5 years that Vick was the pre-season projected starter, the Falcons’ attendance rank exceeding their rank in the standings. When Vick went, so did attendance. Now the crappy superstar-driven Atlanta pro sports fanbase has been re-exposed for what it is.

To be blunt, this is an issue where fans who blame the owners are just being foolish. Atlanta’s uniquely poor characteristics as a sports market is well-documented. I know that won’t stop you and doc from blaming the owners, though. It’s what you do.

As for why ASG bought the team, simple: Going concern value and prospects for future growth. Atlanta has been one of the fastest-growing metro areas in the country for decades. The running assumption is that trend will continue (or at least that was the assumption before the recession). Even though Atlanta’s teams have lost money on an operating basis, they have always been able to maintain confidence that future revenue growth will eventually put the team in the black. In the meantime, the team’s going concern value will remain high and rising, which will allow them to resell the team for more than they paid to buy it (while providing themselves with a nice tax write-off in the interim since the team is structured as an LLC). Many businesses, especially in the sports and entertainment industries (although tech is the most famous example), lose money but still keep increasing in value because of projected future revenues.

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2011
4:24 pm

nire, I was speaking about marketing the team, specifically doing more interviews with players and GMs and coaching staff. That costs nothing but an iuvestment of making it a priority. Again, if you declare defeat before fighting, then you are sure to lose. I’m asking for effort. If Arthur Triche called the 2 sports stations and asked for a 5 minute weekly interview with a designated Hawk/Hawk official, how much would that cost? There is a cable access channel that does a lot of local sports, I bet they would love to have some Hawks programming and would likely pay the Hawks to produce something. If the players took the attitude of “well the other team has a much higher payroll so what’s the point” we would not settle for that losing attitude. I’m not asking the ASG to buy every billboard in the city, just take advantage of essentially free media. Again, that just requires an investment in time and making it a priority. Making the effort to grow the fan base does not require millions, just effort. This city is full of bandwagon jumpers… we just need the ASG to let more folk know about the wagon.

O'Brien

January 18th, 2011
5:23 pm

AJ,

Agreed. Some athletes or coaches (even if its in other sports)have slots on radio shows where they call in (sometimes weekly), even if its only for a few minutes.

niremetal

January 18th, 2011
5:23 pm

AJ,

Since I’m a few hundred miles away, I can’t speak to how much marketing ASG does in the region. I also frankly don’t know much about the effectiveness of different kinds of marketing. I do know that back in the day when I did see Hawks billboards along 285, attendance still sucked. And back when it seemed like SportSouth and 680 had seemingly endless Braves coverage and reported Bobby Cox’s every fart, the Braves were failing to sell out playoff games.

It might be that past experience has shown little sign that the types of marketing you expect to see works for the Hawks (and/or other similarly situated teams). The mere fact that certain types of advertising isn’t done doesn’t mean that the decision not to engage in such marketing wasn’t a good one.

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2011
7:46 pm

nire, this is a new age. An age of internet, social media, etc. The traditional marketing plans are giving way to all kind of creative (and inexpensive) ways to sell your product. But it all starts by having a desire to “get the message out”. I just read where John Elway is expanding the use of Twitter to engage fans in ways that no other NFL team has done. Too many examples from too many sports franchises. And it all starts with someone thinking to themselves, “I need to sell my product better tomorrow than we did yesterday”. The one thing that all of these media outlets desire is content… all the Hawks have to do is make a player or management figure available to stick a mic in his face and that’s it. Think of all of the blogs that cover our “not all that popular” Hawks (relative to other sports franchises). You’re telling me that those bloggers wouldn’t carry a goodly message if they were provided some occassional access? Sorry, I’m simply not convinced that because marketing campaign X didn’t work in 2008 (as an example) that marketing plan Y can’t work in 2011. The media is expanding far too rapidly to throw in the towel like that.

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2011
7:54 pm

Imagine if Big Ray could speak to Jeff Teague once every two weeks or so… wouldn’t that be gold?

“Hey Jeff, why aren’t you playing, dog?”
“Dog, what’s a dog?”
“Oh, never mind.”

O'Brien

January 18th, 2011
8:44 pm

Hawks and JJ started off good. but wow, what a second quarter struggle for the Hawks and JJ. JJ’s indecisiveness and some Iso JJ hurt us in the quarter.

After being up by 13 early, We need to win this game tonight.

niremetal

January 18th, 2011
8:48 pm

Think of all of the blogs that cover our “not all that popular” Hawks (relative to other sports franchises). You’re telling me that those bloggers wouldn’t carry a goodly message if they were provided some occassional access?

AJ, the size of the Hawks’ blog community is absolutely PATHETIC compared to those of other NBA teams. Terrible example.

lukas

January 18th, 2011
8:53 pm

Excellent half by the Hawks!!
It’s a thing of beauty to see JJ running and missing so many iso plays until the lead is gone. It’s a thing of beauty to see how our PG, in a 4 against 2 fast break and with Josh running, pass to JJ to take another 3. It’s so delightful to see Al neglected for an entire quarter. LD: i love your offense!!!

niremetal

January 18th, 2011
8:56 pm

Sorry, I’m simply not convinced that because marketing campaign X didn’t work in 2008 (as an example) that marketing plan Y can’t work in 2011. The media is expanding far too rapidly to throw in the towel like that.

I never said anything to the contrary. Strawman.

This is a classic AJ bait-and-switch. Your initial post criticized the Hawks’ failure to use “local media” in the way that the Braves do. You said absolutely, positively nothing about the Hawks’ failure to use the newer types of online media. Nothing you said in your prior posts could even be construed as a criticism of the Hawks’ use of online media. You talked about interviews and other appearances in “local media.” Now you’re talking about the Hawks’ failure to use online media. Like I said, classic AJ bait-and-switch. Change the subject and hope no one notices.

The media is expanding far too rapidly to throw in the towel like that.

I never said anything to contrary. Another AJ strawman.

Are we calling off our truce, AJ?

niremetal

January 18th, 2011
8:59 pm

Basically, I neither conceded that the Hawks were “failing to use marketing plan Y” or were “throw[ing] in the towel,” nor did I say anything to the contrary on either point. Wow. That was pathetic even by AJ standards.

lukas

January 18th, 2011
9:12 pm

Nique explained that JJ doesn’t get to the line as much as Dwyane Wade because JJ is “so quick.”

Big Ray

January 18th, 2011
9:17 pm

AJ ,

I think I was channeling you when the analogy struck…. :lol: Glad you liked it, but sad that it’s so accurate.

Doc ,

Post rescued.

Well, a defensive (or offensive?) struggle, I see. Both teams shooting down in the 30s percentile wise.

Not surprised to see Wade and LeQueen play tonight.

Big Ray

January 18th, 2011
9:23 pm

Niremetal ,

Ok, we got the part about AJ being wrong, sneaky, low-down, dirty, a scurvy knave (can you still get scurvy?) and otherwise the scum of blog society….

But what is your opinion about what the Hawks could do better from a marketing standpoint? Or do you feel that there is nothing that can be done because there is a large number of imported personnel in the Atlanta Metro area, thereby increasing the fan suckage that is and has been statistically obvious since whenever?

O'Brien

January 18th, 2011
9:24 pm

In a big game against a big time opponent, we need JJ to do what he has been doing all month.

But instead…JJ is 6-20 tonight, including 0-6 from 3.

Big Ray

January 18th, 2011
9:25 pm

The Hawks are 1-3 from the free throw line. The Heat are 19-22.

Am I missing something? Well, we do have the lead for the moment.

Big Ray

January 18th, 2011
9:27 pm

O’brien ,

Well, he couldn’t keep it up forever. Somebody else has to step up.

Is Al Horford injured? Or is Drew playing one of his favorite games? You know, the one where he sees just how long he can go without his best frontcourt scorer and rebounder….

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2011
9:30 pm

Dude, there is no strawman here. My initial premise started with the absence of Sund in the local media and using available venues to sell their product. Then you went off on what happened 20 years ago in the Omni. I’m not playing this game with someone who lives a few hundred miles away and has no clear viewpoint on the Hawks utilization of the local media vs. other Atlanta sports franchises. This was a territory you were not suited to pursue but you decided to offer an opinion anyway. Don’t go into blog etiquette mode now that you clearly have little left to offer.

Hawks are poor at marketing their product locally. If an Atlanta resident thinks differently, I’d love to hear their informed opinion. I won’t comment on local media in Delaware or other Atlantic states, you can count on that. I understand the limits of my knowledge.

Have a blessed night. Go Hawks!

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2011
9:31 pm

Big Ray, MC tweeted that Al suffered an ankle injury.

O'Brien

January 18th, 2011
9:34 pm

Meanwhile, Josh is 4-15.

Hawks need to win this game. Too many games against big time opponents, we are close in the fourth, and then the other team makes a run, and we lose.

We need to win this game to help our confidence that we can beat these teams. We are currently 4-9 against teams over .500.

8 minutes to go, tied at 61. lets go Hawks

lukas

January 18th, 2011
9:35 pm

Horford is done for the day. Ankle.

Big Ray

January 18th, 2011
9:35 pm

AJ ,

Thanks, missed that part.

Big Ray

January 18th, 2011
9:36 pm

Dang. We needed Al. No telling if Josh will come through.

Big Ray

January 18th, 2011
9:38 pm

Oh well. Gotta go…have to be up, suited and booted in less than 7 hours.

Later…

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2011
9:39 pm

Where do we get a Joel Anthony to do the dirty work?

O'Brien

January 18th, 2011
9:44 pm

AJ,

Joel Anthony was a FA this offseason, and I guy I liked as a backup center. but he resigned with the Heat for $3+ mil.

Can we really expect JC2 to come through in this game, after sitting on the bench for weeks?

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2011
9:44 pm

Too many compromises, LD needs offense but sacrfices someone who could grab a freakin’ defensive rebound, so we get JC2 and not Zaza or Powell.

Astro Joe

January 18th, 2011
9:48 pm

Wow, sure is good to see a little aggression from the Hawks. And it was GREAT to see Josh rediscover the thunder slam after pretending he was Glenn Rice in Miami most of the game.

O'Brien

January 18th, 2011
9:49 pm

Thats the Josh we need. Not the jumper happy Josh,

But I cant believe he put in JC2 though…

niremetal

January 18th, 2011
10:24 pm

AJ,

What, are you kidding me? YOU, not me, were the one who started talking about LOCAL media. Then YOU, not me, said in a post that purportedly was a response to me that the Hawks weren’t doing enough to promote the team in “new” media. You said this:

Sorry, I’m simply not convinced that because marketing campaign X didn’t work in 2008 (as an example) that marketing plan Y can’t work in 2011. The media is expanding far too rapidly to throw in the towel like that.

How was that IN ANY WAY a response to what I said? It wasn’t. It was a strawman. You attacked an argument that I never made. I neither conceded that the Hawks were “failing to use marketing plan Y” or were “throw[ing] in the towel,” nor did I say anything about the merits of using online media, nor did I make any assessment of the Hawks’ use of online media. Nor did YOU ever before that post discuss, suggest, or hint that you were referring to online rather than traditional media. It was a subject that you never brought up and that I never addressed. That makes this statement, purportedly in response to me:

Sorry, I’m simply not convinced that because marketing campaign X didn’t work in 2008 (as an example) that marketing plan Y can’t work in 2011. The media is expanding far too rapidly to throw in the towel like that.

…a strawman.

Stop playing coy. You know that’s a strawman. I take it you’ve decided to end the truce.

niremetal

January 18th, 2011
10:26 pm

Ray,

I don’t know what the Hawks can/should do. I’m not a marketing expert. My point was that no owner of any sports team in the history of Atlanta has managed to get the city to give a damn about its teams. So any statement that blames poor attendance on marketing is inherently weak, because it assumes every owner of every sports team in Atlanta history was crappy at marketing.

niremetal

January 18th, 2011
10:40 pm

In fairness, AJ never blamed the attendance issues entirely or even mainly on poor marketing. (I know he’ll never admit it when he attacks arguments I never made, but I’ll give him the courtesy of doing so knowing full well he’ll never pay me the same courtesy). My point was that there is reason to question the utility of marketing given the historically poor Atlanta pro sports fans.

doc

January 18th, 2011
11:47 pm

all is forgiven now. told you we ad em right where we wanted them.

good win. i feel the hawks match up well with the heat when we play well just dont know for a seven game series. the bulls maybe ,the celts and the magic worry me more even if we come to lay against them.

doc

January 18th, 2011
11:57 pm

nire i saw two arguments yours and astro’s. the smith folks had the city for years and never delivered, sell outs for years with mediocrity or worse. astro points out the hawks dont even seem to try and market a very good team, that is a problem. you say it is not worth the effort because of the inherent base, he says never quit trying as blank has shown folks do come back. there have been rabid hawks fans even when the hawks were in the alexander awful for a pro game. it is time for the askg to become major league which they arent thy are remnant of smith. yes you are not at games nor live in the city so you dont know jack about the way it is now. sorry you dont and it sucks to make it fan friendly and i am trying to spend my money to be there and they just piss on fans. i even offered you tix to go to a game while here in the big a on thanksgiving so you could see it for yourself. the offer is still open. crap basketball fan experience.

Billy Knight

January 18th, 2011
11:59 pm

Despite what transpired in the past such as the mistakes i made in passing on Deron Williams and Chris Paul, they have a good young point guard in Teague, but the coach will not use him, because the coach is thinking of his contract, and feels better with Bibby.

Melvin

January 19th, 2011
12:20 am

Doc,

are you going to the Hornets game on Friday? I’m think about it. I will probably attend the Bobcats game in Charlotte on Sat as well.

niremetal

January 19th, 2011
1:29 am

he says never quit trying as blank has shown folks do come back

Except the folks did not come back. Like I said before:

The Falcons were 15th in attendance this year despite having the league’s second best record. Last year, it was T-11th/17th. The year before it was T-6th/23rd.

You want the Hawks to market themselves better? Fine. But if you are blaming poor attendance mainly on poor marketing, that’s idiotic. Because without any exception whatsoever, EVERY owner of EVERY Atlanta sports team in EVERY era has been unable to get Atlanta fans to show up in numbers commensurate to their team’s record. And that is not true of ANY other city in the country.

niremetal

January 19th, 2011
1:40 am

In 5 of the 9 seasons the Falcons have played under Blank, their attendance ranking has been lower than their ranking in the standings. Even in the days of Vick, the Falcons never got higher than 10th in the NFL in attendance. Yeah. Blank seems to have made the Falcons very fan-friendly. Sadly, the fans have not reciprocated.

But ok, keep pushing the myth that Blank’s efforts are somehow vindicating the argument that Atlanta has a crappy pro sports fan base. Ignore the fact that the Falcons have been outdrawn by teams far worse than them in each of the past 3 seasons. Just like you ignored the fact that Hawks’ attendance sucked in the age of Nique despite your anecdotal memories that the Omni was rockin’ back then.

niremetal

January 19th, 2011
1:41 am

But ok, keep pushing the myth that Blank’s efforts are somehow vindicating the argument that Atlanta doesn’t have a crappy pro sports fan base.

niremetal

January 19th, 2011
1:47 am

Josh’s jumpers watch update:

vs. Hou: 1-8 (0-2 on 3s)
vs. Sac: 3-7 (2-3 on 3s)
vs. Mia: 2-10 (0-3 on 3s)

Total: 6-25 (2-8 on 3s)
FG%: .240
eFG%: .280
eFG% vs. season avg: -.179
vs. ’09-’10 avg: -.006

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I think this is the first 3-game stretch of the year where Josh’s jumper eFG% has been lower than his jumper eFG% from last season.

niremetal

January 19th, 2011
1:58 am

And doc,

I do go to Hawks games in Atlanta at least once per year. I didn’t think the experience was noticeably different from the games I’ve attended in DC, Philly, and Portland. Well, except for the number of fans who are there supporting the away team.

Ironically, I do frequent Hawks websites quite a bit and am on pretty much every team mailing list. So I actually could speak far more confidently about the Hawks’ use of online media than I could about local media. Which makes AJ’s bait-and-switch from local media to online media all the more amusing.

That being said, I already admitted that I don’t know enough about marketing in general or the Hawks’ marketing in particular to assess whether what they’re doing is enough. All I’m saying is that the overwhelming evidence is that the Hawks’ attendance woes stem from fan base-related issues (transplants, transportation, preferences for other sports, etc), unless you think that poor marketing has been a feature of every single Atlanta sports team owner in the past 45 years.

wordsmithtom

January 19th, 2011
6:46 am

Beating Miami is the best marketing they can do. Got some love on Bloomberg News this morning citing Josh Smith’s role in the OT win. We’ve got to beat the “elite” before we can lure fans back.

Actually, I believe the season is TOO long…too many meaningless games. But that’s the business.

Great win nevertheless. Now we need to take Boston by the horns next time.

It WAS a BAD pick

January 19th, 2011
6:49 am

Apparently niremetal does not actually have opinions on subjects. He just waits for somebody else to have an opinion on something and then attacks it. From hundreds of miles away no less. I have been reading this blog for a while and I do not know how you guys can stand that noise all the time. We have to listen to the same nonsense on hawksquawk too though, so do not feel too bad.

It WAS a BAD pick

January 19th, 2011
6:51 am

And what is up with the obsession of one player’s shots? I know a closet hater when I see one. At least the media knows Josh was helpful in winning this game.

O'Brien

January 19th, 2011
7:28 am

Hawks made alot of mistakes in this game.

So the fact that they were able to still win, on the road against a good team, on the second night of a back to back, when even the refs were against them…should be a great confidence builder and teaching tool. Great Win.

If we can play defense like this every game, we will always have a chance to win. We need Marvin back though, because Josh and JJ having to chase LeBron requires a lot of energy.

Interesting stat; Hawks are 10-3 on the second game of a back to back. Maybe they are more focused when they are a little tired.