Hawks Fans: Another fast start?

As some of you have already noted, we’ve been here before.

You know, that run of wins at the beginning of the season. How long will it last this time? Last season saw the Hawks start things up at home, winning two in the Highlight Factory (are we still calling it that?), then going on a foreboding 4 game road trip which featured three tough western conference opponents and an eastern conference nemesis. They returned home having gone 2-2 on the road. Then came the wondrous 7 game winning streak (five of which were at home), and the Hawks stood 11-2 before losing three of their last four in the month of November.

This season? The Hawks won their first two games, which were on the road, and won their home opener for a 3-0 start. Of course, all three wins were against lesser teams. Furthermore, the rest of the November schedule looks fairly promising, if the Hawks can stay focused. Tuesday’s contest will be against a definitely different Cleveland Cavaliers squad, which should be interesting. But the rest of the month? In the remaining 15 games, the Hawks will only be facing playoff teams 6 times (Phoenix, Dallas, Orlando, Utah, and Milwaukee, and Boston). I’d count Cleveland, but without Lebron, there is no certainty that Cleveland still is a playoff team. Atlanta has shown that they can beat four of these teams (the Suns, Bucks, Jazz, and Mavs), while a fifth (Boston) will be up for revenge from last season, and the sixth (Orlando)….well, we’ll see. Here’s the kicker: of the seven road games in November, only one (against Orlando) is against a playoff team (again, excepting Cleveland, who may or may not be in the category now).

Now is definitely the time to take advantage of this. Naturally, we’ll probably still be hedging our comments and reserving outright praise if we leave November with a good record.  So, we need a defining factor. My guess is the Hawks should be judged on how they win, if not how often. What do you think?

 

UP NEXT

As mentioned above, there is no guarantee that the Cleveland Cavaliers are a playoff team anymore. They began the season at home with a bit of a bang, taking down the Boston Celtics. But then, they fell on the road to none other than the Toronto Raptors,  the “other” team to lose its lone star player to the Miami Heat. Following this was a loss at home to the Sacramento Kings. The fact is, the Cavs aren’t used to losing in Quicken Loans Arena, sporting a league-best 35-6 home record. Will this still be a tough place to play? The Hawks find out on Tuesday. In the meantime:

Cavs Breakdown

Cleveland started the season off by trotting out a starting lineup of Anderson Varejao, Anthony Parker, Ramon Sessions, J.J. Hickson, and Jamario Moon.

While Varejao has filled in admirably as a backup center in the past, he finds himself in fairly unfamilar territory. Ryan Hollins is okay as an athletic energy guy who can give you a good field goal percentage and a few rebounds, but he’s no enforcer of any kind. The Cavs just didn’t just lose “he who shall not be named in Ohio”, they also lost some serious (but aging) beef in Shaquille O’Neal and Zydrunas Ilgauskas, leaving their change of pace energy guys to do all the pivot work. On the other hand, they still have somewhat promising forward J.J. Hickson to work with, who will no longer have bigger personalities gobbling up his playing time. And, there’s Antawn Jamison, who has historically given the Hawks problems.

In the backcourt, the Cavs still have former all-star point guard Mo Williams, along with Parker, Daniel Gibson, and Ramon Sessions. However, Williams has yet to play a regular season game due to injury, and the rest of the guards have been shooting rather miserably. Fact is, the Cavs only have four guys averaging double figures in points scored, and the top three are averaging 15, 14, and 13 ppg, respectively.

So who are the Cavs key players? Hard to tell, what with Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao in question, as to whether or not they will play. If neither player can go, that’s arguably the Cavs’ top two guys out. Power forwards J.J. Hickson and Antawn Jamison could get the nod, and they can do some damage. On the flip side, Jamison is struggling badly from the field (31.8% FG) and isn’t giving the Cavs very much in just under 22 minutes per game (6.3 points, 2.3 rebounds).

In the meantime, Daniel Gibson leads Cleveland in scoring (15 ppg) and assists (6 apg)….and he’s doing it off the bench. Say what? That’s right, starter Ramon sessions is the team’s third leading scorer, but averages nearly four times as many turnovers and only half the assists that Gibson does. Could it be defense that has him in the starting lineup?

 

 Advantages vs Traps

On paper, the Hawks should win this game hands down. Of course, that is probably the first sentence uttered in a trap game, so here are a few thoughts that may bear consideration:

The Traps

- Okay, nobody is happy about LBJ in Cleveland right now, and with a new coach and GM at the helm, things are definitely in a state of flux. Some would say rebuilding altogether, as there are still some nasty contracts on the books. But everybody would like to move on, and the fans will likely try and do that by getting behind the team. Besides, surely the guys left on the roster have two things – pride, and something to prove – right? The team isn’t nearly as formidable as it has been for the last several years. But don’t expect Quicken Loans Arena to turn into a ghost town. Especially if the team gives the fans a reason to cheer them on.

- Jamison usually is a problem for the Hawks. If he’s healthy, he can rebound as good as most “stretch 4s”, if not better. And, he has range out to the 3 point line. Nothing gets a down-on-his-luck scorer a fresh breath of air, like a lax defense.

- J.J. Hickson is another potential “hidden” threat. The Hawks let Memphis forward Darrell Arthur have his way with them. Hickson is more disciplined and some believe he is certainly more talented. Again, lax defense is all that is necessary to let decent players look good, and good players look great.

- How long will Cleveland have issues with their outside shooting. With the exception of Gibson and perhaps Mo Williams, the Cavs aren’t world beaters in this area. I’ll say it again – lax defense wakes any team up.

- Hustle. Expect Hollins and Varejao to hustle their butts off, going after every loose ball. If the Hawks starting big men come in playing lazy, they’ll get eaten up out there by a couple of taller, longer guys. In which case, look for a quick yank in favor of Josh Powell and Zaza Pachulia, who could conceivably post another double double against a team without grade A big men.

 

Advantages

- The backcourt. In the past, Joe Johnson has had a few moments of struggle against the defense of guys like Anthony Parker and Ramon Sessions. However, neither guy was ever charged with playing him one on one all game long, and in this new offense, they won’t get a chance to double him up, either. If Joe’s shot is on, and the team keeps feeding him, look for him to get his first 30 point game of the season. In the meantime, Mike Bibby will cruise to double figures as he gets one open look after another. If things go well enough, he may get to sit down while second year man Jeff Teague gets some more experience under his belt, and gets a shot at improving his game (and his confidence). Jamal Crawford will be able to chip in double figure points with ease, and maybe even rookie Jordan Crawford will see five minutes or so.

- The frontcourt. This is where it should really show. Marvin Williams should have a solid game, or he’ll lend credence to the idea that he hasn’t really changed at all, even though it will only be the fourth game of the season. In the meantime, Al Horford stands to have a field day. If Jevale McGee and Andray Blatche couldn’t keep him from a 20 and 10 night, then what are Varejao and Ryan Hollins going to do? Finally, there is Josh Smith, who should also be able to dominate a Cavs front line that won’t likely be able to keep up with them. That is, if he listens to the words coming out of his coach’s mouth.

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Progeny

October 31st, 2010
8:58 pm

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kwooden1

October 31st, 2010
9:37 pm

I watched a little bit of Cleveland’s game against the Celtics. I think we need to exploit our quickness advantage inside and go to Al and Smoove in the post. Cleveland isn’t deep and we can really attack in the paint. I expect Zaza to come in and really do his thing against Cleveland’s subs also. JJ should be clear to do his thing because no one really can cover him and he doesn’t have an exceptional scorer to cover on the defensive side. I hope that Marvin, really looks at his production against the Wizards and comes out with a different attitude. He needs to attack the basket and the boards, he has a strength advantage over Moon.

Personally, I like the defense out of the 2nd unit and Teague quickness. I expect that to continue Tuesday night. I’m actually not down on Teague’s production and efforts during the last few games. I like how LD left him in the game against the Wizards even though the game wasn’t going well. I definitely see Teague moving in the right direction.

GO HAWKS!!

kwooden1

October 31st, 2010
9:42 pm

We do need to continue to work on the turnovers though! 16 against the Wizards, is still to high. I think our turnovers need to be around 10-12, but I will take the 19 assists!

Big Ray

October 31st, 2010
9:54 pm

Progeny ,

Indeed you are.

Kwooden1 ,

I think the turnovers will calm down some. Our two biggest culprits are Joe and Josh right now, with both averaging 4 apiece per game. But, both of those guys have their hands on the ball quite a bit (though in the case of Josh, he sometimes simply turns it over by trying to be more POINT and less FORWARD). The typical “point forward” has a very good handle, and can pass. Josh lacks the first, but does well with the second.

The team as a whole seems to be struggling simply because the motion offense puts the ball in everybody’s hands, and requires passes out of all of them. Fortunately, there is a very significant drop-off after Josh and Joe. Crawford and Pachulia are averaging 1.67 TOs per game, while Horford and Williams are around 1 TO per game. The others don’t really count, even Jason Collins (who had 3 in the only 5 minutes he’s played this season).

O'Brien

October 31st, 2010
10:03 pm

Ray,

No excuses for not beating Cleveland. We will have 2 days to rest and prepare.

Marvin should be glad he doesn’t have to guard LeBron, so it would be nice to see him have a good game.

I do expect good games from JJ and Jamal.

I think other teams will go to a zone against the hawks more often, so I hope they are ready for it. We didnt handle the zone very well last year.

Josh needs to keep his jump shots to no more than 2, and I would like to see him and Al end up with double digit rebounds again.

With no Shaq, and no Big Z, that should not be a problem for our frontcourt.

Big Ray

October 31st, 2010
10:09 pm

O’brien ,

Agreed.

I wonder what Drew plans to do when teams zone us more? Will we fall exclusively into ISO sets? Drew has to know that “lack of adjustment” was a major reason for the departure of his predecessor (at least if you read the blogs, anyway), so he won’t get away with not making changes when and where necessary.

When the last team went zone against us, he said “we had to turn to our zone offense.” Is that anything like “well, they were playing zone, so those jumpshots looked pretty appetizing” (uttered last season by the former head coach)?

Sure hope not. How Drew adjusts will be a topic of interest.

i_am_soulstar

October 31st, 2010
10:19 pm

I hope Horford’s extension gets done… Or do I?? (CBA)

i_am_soulstar

October 31st, 2010
10:40 pm

I thought that they should use the zone to create mismatches. Kind of like what the Bucks did to us when we use switching defense.

When the other team plays a zone, put your best backcourt/ frontcourt guy in a position to be guarded by the weakest link defensively of the other team’s backcourt/ frontcourt guy.

Will it lead to some iso-basketball here and there? Definitely.

But iso isn’t always a bad thing when Al Horford is trying to guard Brandon Jennings (Not a position sensitive example, just referring to mismatches).

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

November 1st, 2010
12:22 am

Being that we played The Cavs well there when they had Lebron James and the refs on the payroll last year LOL, we should play them well there this time and come out with a victory. To me, any type of road win is nice, but I look for them to continue to improve on putting lesser teams away in the second half. So complete games where counter adjustments are made and road victories are a barometer of improvement to me.

MannyT

November 1st, 2010
12:57 am

Are you saying Ramon Session 2010 = Royal Ivey 2005 ;-)

When you don’t know who the go to guy is, doesn’t that present a problem in pre game planning?

JTeague will lay in wait on the bench until Gibson enters the game?

This is a game that we should win on paper. Then again, we are erratic enough to beat/lose to any team.

Big Ray

November 1st, 2010
5:05 am

I am Soulstar ,

I’m guessing they have til the stroke of midnight tonight to get it done (at least in principle). After that, we get to wait for the entire season to see what happens in the offseason. Sound like fun?

MannyT ,

Exactly. I can only imagine the outcry if we lose to the Cavs, however. I take that back, it will be something we’ve heard before…

Big Ray

November 1st, 2010
5:06 am

Are you saying Ramon Session 2010 = Royal Ivey 2005

Good one, Manny . ;)

wordsmithtom

November 1st, 2010
6:25 am

82 game schedule is a marathon. Starting with 3 wins + favorable Nov is certainly nice to see. Can the Hawks take advantage? I see several things that suggests they can.

Drew has averaged 10 players each game. Starters minutes are down. I hope this continues at least through end of year. I expect rotations to narrow as they make the turn and get ready for playoffs, but not to the extend of last year.

Good to see them running some “point forward” activity during 3rd quarters. Josh isn’t the perfect point forward, as his handles are average, but he passes well and if he can buy into LD’s plan and be more selective in his outside shot attempts, it can be a formidable weapon.

I didn’t expect a total aversion to ISO ball: I’ve noted before there are times to use it. If you want to run down the clock, or take advantage of a particular mismatch against JJ, why not use it? Still, when it becomes a habit where everybody knows that’s what you’re doing, it loses efficacy. There are also times when ISO Jamal is disruptive, considering he usually is matched against an inferior player. Exploit mismatches….except, those mismatches are more rare come playoffs. That’s why other looks are essential. Woody never understood the need to vary the looks.

Teague obviously not up to starting capacity. Still, good to see LD letting him play despite mistakes. Had Woody done the same, he might have won 2-3 less games, but had a much better player this year. If you don’t “coach em up” you aint doing your job. I’m also pleased to see Bibby stepping up and “not going easily into the night”. Could be LD did a bit of psychology on him. MB may be aging, but he still has pride and nobody wants to be prematurely put out to pasture. There are guys he just can’t match up with…Teague needs to step up….or we’ll need another answer as MB’s abilities continue to wane.

Who can complain about 3-0? I’d have been happy with 2-1 since 2 were on the road.

O'Brien

November 1st, 2010
7:43 am

So Woody goes all year probably playing Bibby to much, and probably not playing Teague enough. Which I thought he handled wrong.

LD has the same caliber of guards that Woody had (JJ, JC1, JC2) but he still finds time for Teague (who hasnt been all that impressive, but he’s learning).

At the end of the season, Woody finally told Bibby his time was up blah blah blah. But Woody was wrong again. Bibby has played better than most of us thought he would.

MannyT,

If Teague is on Gibson, he needs to realize that Gibson is a shooter, so dont bite too easily on the pump fakes.

wordsmithtom,

Agreed on the ISOs. Most teams use it when they have a dominant player who can be a mismatch almost every time down. ISO Kobe, ISO Brandon Roy etc.

Our problem last year was 1) everybody knew the ISO was coming 2) Our spacing was bad on the ISOs and 3) If ISOs weren’t working, we had nothing to fall back on.

Fundamentals

November 1st, 2010
7:55 am

I agree that Bibby has looked alot better than we thought. Hopefully it’ll continue through June. It’s good he’s showing the leadership we need. Helping the team push forward. I expect we’ll continue to see turnovers and hick-ups in our forward progress, but we need to give this team time to gel again in the new system.

We’ve got 3 wins. All 3 we could’ve let it go and lost, but we fought back and found a way to win. That’s a good sign of our resolve. Yeah, folks have hit some clutch shots to win the games, but that too is a good sign of our confidence and resolve.

ISO isn’t so bad, when it isn’t so predictable. We need options, we need balance. LD is trying to do that. The thing I notice late is everyone has a chance to be “the guy”. Everyone is attacking. It leaves the defense unbalanced and easier to pick apart. We won’t know who will get off on a particular night. That my friends is an offensive system. I like it.

Keep up the good work. Fine tune your game on both ends. Continue to develop. GO HAWKS!

RMan

November 1st, 2010
8:31 am

Great season start, but be wary as the season progresses. I’ve said this before and will undoubtedly repeat this as the season proceeds – the schedule makers have put the Hawks in a hole in Divisional competition – and they must compete successfully within their Division for playoff seeding. Look out at the schedule – of 16 games against Division opponents, the Hawks play 9 of these as the 2nd of back to back games, 6 of these 9 at the opponents arena. When they will need to be most “up” and “rested”, they’ll be most tired. Try playing Miami or Orlando tough when you only get 4 chances each in a season, and half of these are 2nd of back to back games – and both Miami games are at their arena. The four Divisional opponents only play the Hawks 4 times as the second of back to back games on their schedules, with only 2 of these being away games for them in Atlanta. I hope we’ll be up for these most significant games under tougher conditions than other Division rivals will have to experience.

Astro Joe

November 1st, 2010
9:40 am

Anxious to see if the trends continue with better competition. My guess is that if you dissect the previous coach’s habits, they likely changed when the Hawks played the lottery teams vs. playing the better squads. So far, we’ve only played those teams featuring high draft picks (#1, #2, & Memphis sans starting bigs). Here’s hoping that the bench continues to be productive when facing likely playoff-bound teams.

Astro Joe

November 1st, 2010
10:32 am

RIP Maurice Lucas.

I grew up thinking that the principle role of the PF is to be the team’s enforcer… because that is what Maurice Lucas brought to the table.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/10/31/maurice.lucas.ap/index.html?xid=si_nba

O'Brien

November 1st, 2010
10:55 am

AJ,

True. It will be interesting to see how the bench responds against legit playoff teams. It will also be interesting to see how LD responds.

RMan,

Good schedule analysis. Hopefully our bench will be ready and up to the challenge, because we need them to keep the game within striking distance, allowing our starters to be fresh in the 4th quarter.

We lost a lot of games in The 4th quarter last year.

Astro Joe

November 1st, 2010
10:59 am

According to ESPN.com’s Marc Stein, the Atlanta Hawks and center Al Horford are still in discussions regarding an extension.

Stein writes: “One source close to the negotiations told ESPN.com on Sunday that the parties ‘are still talking’ and says a deal — rated as ‘probable’ by another source last week — is a ‘50-50′ shot at this point.”

Joakim Noah and Kevin Durant are the only first round picks from 2007 that have signed extensions. Noah’s was for five years and about $60 million and Horford’s deal, according to Stein, would be slightly above that.

The deadline to sign an extension for the class of 2007 is at 11:59 p.m. (eastern) Monday night.

doc

November 1st, 2010
11:41 am

RIP maurice lucas of blazers. one of my favorites. bladder cancer one of the tough ones to deal with.

STEEL(Formerly VenomSpitter)

November 1st, 2010
11:42 am

LOL @ MC Hammers diss to Jay Z

Terrible

MannyT

November 1st, 2010
2:08 pm

Al gets his contract extension. 5 yr/60 mil. I’m guessing that looks like annual salaries (mil) = 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. It lines up very close to Jamal’s salary slot assuming the plan is to not exceed luxury tax level (unless this is a special year. In which case, Jamal might get an extension.) Otherwise, I see using MLE to replace him next season as that number will match well with Al’s current salary slot.)

NBA budgeting isn’t that hard as long as you don’t worry about the elephant at the negotiating table–Mr. Lockout ;-)

O'Brien

November 1st, 2010
2:40 pm

5 years, $60 mil is a good deal for the Hawks. I am glad Al decided to stick around at that price.

As for Jamal, I dont blame Rick if he doesnt offer him an extension. We have Jordan Crawford on board, and we dont want to overpay for a SG to backup our $124 mil SG, so I can see Sund waiting till the new CBA to see what Jamal’s value is.

niremetal

November 1st, 2010
2:57 pm

5yr/$60M is probably a good guesstimate of what he would draw under a stricter CBA – less than he could have gotten if he hit the market this past summer, but still a hefty amount in recognition of the fact that he’s a young All-Star. I’m still a bit surprised that management didn’t wait to see what the new CBA was before making their move, but hey – a bird in hand, right?

Side note: I like the fact that Al’s deal is worth approximately what Josh got. I don’t know how much players think about that sort of thing, but I could imagine Josh being irked if a big man with 3 years less experience and less gaudy stats ended up getting a contract worth way more than he got.

AtlHawksFan2001

November 1st, 2010
10:12 pm

Can we PLEASE trade Bibby for Billups (If Melo Leaves). Im tired of seeing Bibby dribbling with his back turned at half court every freaking posession because he’s scared to dribble in someones face. OMG.. Bibby just makes us SO SLOW when our Main objective is to RUN. How come people dont realize this!

Big Ray

November 1st, 2010
10:17 pm

Nire ,

True. Of course, there are other ways to look at it. Josh got snubbed for the all-star squad last season (his sixth), and Al made it to that party last season (his third). I never figured Al would get way more, anyway. Good deal for both sides.

Big Ray

November 1st, 2010
10:21 pm

AtlHawksFan2001 ,

Do you really see Denver doing that deal?

RMan ,

My hope is that this fairly easy early schedule helps ease the Hawks into learning how to win consistently while doing things Larry Drew’s way. Then, they can start making their way up the slope of the harder schedule, with a better foundation. No doubt about it, they will have to prove themselves against the better and best teams as the season goes on. They’ll need the early wins as a base and a reference point of what works, and what doesn’t.

doc

November 1st, 2010
10:38 pm

glad to see reason came to the negotiating table and al got a good contract congrats to al, tellum, rick sund and that asg for pulling this one together so everyone can get on with making this a better team. al does have short comings; passion, heart, leadership, desire and winning attitude are not among them. i have loved this kid from the start, his effort on the court and his i got mine pronouncement as he beat his chest after watching the ali documentary he brought to show his teammates before they went out and shocked the world by beating the celts in game two. damn that is a night that will not be forgotten in a long time.

Melvin

November 1st, 2010
10:49 pm

Interesting take on Players contracts (extensions). Maybe the Hawks won’t pay Al 60 mil…

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17783

niremetal

November 1st, 2010
10:53 pm

Rotoworld:

“We’ve privately been hearing that a Kevin Love-Smith trade could be in the works, but again, all of this is speculation.

Thankfully it’s just speculation. Otherwise, I might have to go medieval on someone…

Melvin

November 1st, 2010
11:04 pm

They will burn the highlight factory down if Josh gets traded. Especially for Kevin Love….

MannyT

November 1st, 2010
11:07 pm

It’s only rumor, but it doesn’t take long for the media to crap on good news in Atlanta.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/20975/hawks-next-move-wolves-feeling-love

niremetal

November 1st, 2010
11:11 pm

Watching Clips-Spurs. Griffin and Kaman seem to have great chemistry. And I can scarcely believe it, but Kaman doesn’t look like the oversized hick with no basketball IQ that he was for the first 3-4 years of his career. He is actually showing some flashes of defensive awareness.

Of course, their perimeter defense is league-worst. And Baron looks like he just doesn’t care anymore.

Big Ray

November 2nd, 2010
5:06 am

Make no mistake. If Rick Sund could get his hands on Kevin Love, he would. He gushed about him before and during the draft. But….a few reasons not to get him, much less trade Josh for him:

1) Problems surfacing on Love right now, as his playing time has been cut by Rambis here and there. The speculative reason has to do with Love’s defense…or lack thereof.

2) You don’t trade a defensive game-changer for a guy who doesn’t defend well…unless he’s major force on the offensive end. Love isn’t.

3) Love isn’t a center, but rather yet another PF/C that seems to be more and more the rule these days, rather than the exception. However, he is no taller or stronger than Horford. In spite of being a great rebounder, he struggles when it comes to scoring in the post, particularly against bigger or more athletic defenders. Likewise, he has issues guarding credible centers in the post (although his success depends on getting good position and then staying in the way…kinda like Zaza). And forget guarding the quicker, finesse guys.

4) Love has only one fit on a team that runs – rebounder with outlet pass. Beyond that, his team will play 4-on-5 if it runs a faster paced offense like ours.

Big Ray

November 2nd, 2010
5:08 am

Funny thing is, the Wolves need Love. Especially after trading away Al Jefferson. And Love is more cerebral than Smith. Not to mention a better rebounder. And their top offensive option. Can you imagine Smith being that? Just sayin’…

doc

November 2nd, 2010
6:57 am

good comments ray, your first one about sund is the most worrisome. i hope he hears you loud and clear.

vava74

November 2nd, 2010
8:02 am

Big Ray,

Nice post right until the end… JaVale and Andray are long but their defense is non existent, with the exception of JaVale’s blocks.

Varejão, on the other hand is a tough cookie down there and always causes us problems.

A combo of Varejão-Hickson-Hollins is by far superior to what Washington had against us.

Indeed you have correctly identified this as a trap game. I am actually convinced that we will lose by double digits tonight.

The same way that fans are looking ahead to tougher nights and a tougher schedule, this disease is certainly spreading in our locker room.

Yes, we had the rest, but apparently part of it was consumed in dressing up for Halloween. I bet that some booze was involved in the festivities.

It’s nice to see that the guys get together (minus JJ and Bibby) but I fear that the group lacks the thirst for blood that make games like tonight’s easy trips.

Let’s hope that I am NOT right since I am going to shell out $100 for my league pass subscription and go “official” this year and – at least tonight – I will feel like a fool if we don’t beat the Cavs after opening the purse.

Melvin

November 2nd, 2010
8:57 am

The guy I want from the Wolves is Corey Brewer. He may be the odd swing man out once Martell Webster returns. He would be a good backup at the SF spot….

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3191

Astro Joe

November 2nd, 2010
1:17 pm

Melvin, we could always use the trade exception to acuire Brewer. Oops, that’s right, we can’t do that… because we don’t have an open roster spot. Sund would need to trade a current player for a draft pick before we could use the trade exception (before the off-season). I’m glad we have Pape Sy & Etan Thomas.

niremetal

November 2nd, 2010
1:35 pm

We have an open roster spot, AJ. We only have 14 under contract: Bibby, Collins, JC1, JC2, Evans, Horford, Johnson, Pachulia, Powell, Smoove, Sy, Teague, Thomas, Williams. The issue is that acquiring Brewer (or any player besides a minimum salary rookie) would put us into the tax. Something tells me that Brewer isn’t what management had in mind when they said only a few players would be worth going into the tax to acquire. Of course, that wouldn’t be an issue if we hadn’t signed Sy and Thomas, so your point stands, just for a different reason.

vava74

November 2nd, 2010
2:00 pm

It’s absurdly premature to consider Sy a bad investment (money and roster spot wise).

Up until now LD has been delivering the goods up to the standard of his words so his faith and commitment on Sy should be taken into consideration.

Brewer is a borderline talent who has already proved to be a failure. Maybe there is redemption for him somewhere down the road but I would not bet a dime on that coming to fruition.

On Ethan: the season is long and big bodies with experience always come in handy.

vava74

November 2nd, 2010
2:25 pm

Well, I may have been a bit too harsh on Corey. :-D

His stats last year were decent.

Also, the fact that he would be reunited with Al could be a good thing for him.

Mz. Hawkdafied

November 2nd, 2010
2:57 pm

I’ll take a win anyway they can get it. It doesn’t matter to me which team they’re playing, I’m gonna be looking for a win every time. Lottery team, elite team, playoff team, championship whatever.

How they win vs. quantity of wins??? Both. They go hand in hand. How they win each game establishes their identity. The quantity of wins establishes their reputation. The pass few years the Hawks have been trying to establish an identity. What was it? Were they a running team, defensive team? Well under the previous coach guess you can say they were an iso team trying to make the defensive shit work. Under this same previous coach, they started building their rep as a good team or according to some an elite team or a top playoff team.

Now under the new coach Larry Drew they have the opportunity to establish another identity. And continue to build up their reputation. I mean the Hawks already fragile reputation took a hit by the Orlando Magic in the post season and continued to take a beating in the preseason.

So I think the team should be judged on both but not strictly one or the other.

Mz. Hawkdafied

November 2nd, 2010
3:05 pm

Posted a comment. It didn’t show up. Go figure. No time to type it again.

Astro Joe

November 2nd, 2010
4:28 pm

nire, I stand corrected. I guess I confused the empty seat at the end of the bench with RandMo. And I also forgot the little issue of the luxury tax. Well, maybe we could get Antonio Daniels from the D-League at some point… when Sund discovers that a strong defender in the backcourt may be a nice add. Surely, we have room under the luxury line forr a D-Leaguer, right?

STEEL(Formerly VenomSpitter)

November 2nd, 2010
4:32 pm

Am I the only onw who can’t post on MC’s blog for some reason?

STEEL(Formerly VenomSpitter)

November 2nd, 2010
4:34 pm

Oh yea if Josh is traded this franchise will fold

The little fans that do show up to the arena wont anymore. This team will be finished if that happens.

vava74

November 2nd, 2010
9:03 pm

dang! what a pass by crawford to patchulia…