Season opener

The NBA regular season opens tomorrow evening with three games, and you can bet the vote getter for “headliner” is Boston vs. Miami. For Hawks fans, however, things get kickstarted on Wednesday night against the Memphis Grizzlies, whom the Hawks also faced during the preseason.

The preseason affair may or may not be an indication of how the Hawks will do in their opener. A high scoring loss marred by both a massive amount of turnovers and haphazard defense is something that neither the team, coaches, or fans want to see again. At the same time, there were things in that game that we’d all like to see, such as Jeff Teague’s aggressiveness, Zaza Pachulia’s committment to the glass on both ends, and Marvin Williams playing quite well. That said, let the series of experiments begin. It all starts with whether or not Larry Drew can get more out of this core of players. But as always, the devil is in the details. Here are a few things to consider.

A tale of three captains

Joe Johnson sees a lot. He knows this team. He knows what ails this team, and was known (and criticized) for saying so during post game commentary. The problem is, he’s right. The Hawks don’t play hard every night, they don’t play hard all game long sometimes, and they have issues dealing with serious adversity. Al Horford feels the same way about these issues, and he is beginning to express his concerns more vividly, now that he too, is a team captain. But what of Josh Smith, the third team captain? While he has an affinity for the defensive end of the floor, he doesn’t always focus on the offensive end the way he should. More importantly, does he share the same view as his fellow team captains on attitude, work ethic, etc? We are already hearing some of the same exact stuff as we did last year, in regard to the shortfalls of this team. But Josh tells us not to worry.

What happens when these three guys aren’t on the same page? ARE they on the same page? Many have questioned Larry Drew’s decision to name three team captains, let alone naming the emotional and still maturing Smith.

 

The future is…not yet

Despite being given the chance to win the starting job from Mike Bibby, Jeff Teague will begin the season coming off the bench. Chalk it up to lack of consistency. Whether that is from Teague spending much of the preseason on the bench with injuries, his youth and inexperience, or the continual question of his passive-aggressive mindset. Whatever it is, Teague has time to get it together, but who knows exactly how much time. One thing is for sure – the Hawks know that Mike Bibby is not as capable as he once was, and Teague provides the speed and potentially the defensive edge that the Hawks need at the point guard position. He’ll get some serious minutes, but what will he do with them? Atlanta already has one starter with a passive mindset and they don’t need another, least of all at that position. Teague can’t continue to be a guy that his teammates and coaches must constantly coddle. Either he steps up and shows that he can get the job done, or he doesn’t. In which case, the Hawks continue to be haunted at the point guard spot, forever trying to find that player who represents both now and the future.

Though Larry Drew maintains that he seems him as a shooting guard, keep an eye on Jordan Crawford. You just never know how these things turn out.

 

This and That

_ Josh Powell may be the first guy the Hawks have had at power forward, that allows Josh Smith to be out of a game without it hurting too much. Powell appears to be the kind of low post team-first and tough guy the Hawks have been needing for what seems like forever. Much is made of the results of minimum contracts, but Powell may yet debunk the bemoaning of such moves.

_ This has been said before, but I don’t think there is enough emphasis placed on it. Simply put, the Hawks have also been saddled with the fact that Zaza pachulia was their only option at center if Horford is out of the game. Despite whatever issues he had with former coach Mike Woodson, this has worked to his favor. Zaza had better hope his head is as clear and his zeal renewed as he says, because Jason Collins looks like a totally different player than last year. And again, if Etan Thomas shows he can stay healthy and be effective, he’ll also be vying for playing time. Zaza can’t afford to have lapses or bad games. Or, he’ll lose minutes.

_ What’s up with the Hawks and Al Horford’s contract extension? Al says he isn’t surprised by the way things are going, and that has to make you wonder how this is going to turn out. We know that the Collective Bargaining Agreement is due for a re-hash, but we also remember Josh Smith getting an extension offer the year before he became a restricted free agent. Is this that different? Will the Hawks wait until the last day, then make a low ball pitch to superagent Arn Tellem, or will they “git ‘er done?” Meanwhile, Horford says he’s not worried. Well of course not. Horford knows his value, and knows he won’t be hurting for a job. We shouldn’t worry either.

 

Should we?

136 comments Add your comment

woodie

October 25th, 2010
9:52 pm

I saw Josh Powell play in high school at Riverdale. He was good but had a laziness about him- he didn’t work that hard. I hope he has become more aggressive. By the way Riverdale’s best player was Chris McFarlane fo what it’s worth.

O'Brien

October 25th, 2010
9:53 pm

Ray,

That was my concern with naming 3 captains out of a 5 man starting lineup. Will they be on the same page? When things are going bad on the court, who does Bibby and Marvin turn to? Does marvin look to Josh while Bibby looks to JJ?

I understand that LD wanted to help Josh with his issues on the court, but to me, it is also telling that LD thought the best way to get Josh out of his bad habits was to make him team captain.

Whatever happened to a coach telling a player “Dont do that anymore, or else..”

BrittishAnger

October 25th, 2010
9:55 pm

jhan

October 25th, 2010
9:57 pm

What’s up Big Ray? Nice blog topic once again. Never been first before – should I be excited?
I think Josh needs to really grow up this season. He’s a vet & captain that needs to be consistently good every night. No more whining & crying – just production at an All-Star level.

I look (hope) for Teague to become a steady contributor after about 25 games. He needs to come through for this team to be successful. I don’t see Jordan Crawford being any kind of answer at the point. I wouldn’t be suprised if he played plenty this season – at the expense of Mo & Marvin if I had to guess. JJ could see plenty of time at SF – something Doc & I have agreed on for several seasons now.

Watch for good production from ZaZa also. I think he will be very solid off the bench. Could possible average 15 – 20 minutes per game.

Not worried about Al’s extension one bit. They will make it happen – they really have no other choice. Unless they decide to trade Josh, Jamal or Marvin for a center. No way they let this kid walk.

O'Brien

October 25th, 2010
9:58 pm

As for ZaZa, i think he is a good backup center. The problem is, (imo), he is not a good backup for the Hawks.

Our frontcourt is small, and we need a backup center who is physical, or has size, and can play better defense. ZaZa’s best defense is to foul you. But that’s all we have for now.

As for teague, we should know a lot more about him by the All-Star break. Like AJ says, its not necessarily about him taking the starting spot. The issue will be will he earn 24 mpg on a nightly basis, even if its off the bench.

[...] Season openerAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Al Horford feels the same way about these issues, and he is beginning to express his concerns more vividly, now that he too, is a team captain. …and more » [...]

doc

October 25th, 2010
10:47 pm

steve brown

October 26th, 2010
8:34 am

An undersized NBA point guard who can’t shoot from the outside can still be a real asset, to a YMCA pick-up team.

nunna!!

October 26th, 2010
8:34 am

Always enjoy you insights BIG RAY,
i see things a lot different than most on here.
1.People will have to respect our offensive players more with the new offensive scheme..
(people are always talking about how we’re gonna be able to defend others but im glad that now,our opponents will have to lock in on our offensive strengths as well..Horford’s game,josh when he is down low and slashing,joe,jamaal,then don’t forget when he’s on we’ve got marvin,powell is ok i guess,and we still have bibbs and teague off the dribble and his speed..)

2.this team will be “Denver of the 80’s East”..
(i see us scoring over 115 ppg most of the season with the offensive players we have now,its what we give up that bothers me)..

3.jamaal will do a lot of showboating and reaching that will cause all to question his agenda this year..(there is a reason that this guy has been bouncing from teams,and it seems that if he is pouting about something-like a contract extension-he is gonna give u what he wants and not what the team needs..having said that,i just don’t trust jamaal at all this year without his extension..) i hope im wrong

4.i see us winning 48 games this year but being better than years past and going further into the playoffs..yes i think we’ll lose either in the 2nd round or the conference finals by upsetting miami and playing either orlando or milwaukee(my sleeper for the east finals) but we’ll be more competitive and with the trades we’re gonna make during the season before the deadline,we’ll be even better

nunna!!

October 26th, 2010
8:41 am

teague will be successful mr.steve brown if and only if,he plays to his strengths and not try to do things he know that he can’t do!!
he has to forget the outside shot period!!
forget about trying to make people play him honest..if he is open and beyond the 3point line he must drive to the hope and either dish or float one or lay it up,its as simple as that..let him draw contact,get fouled and go to the line,because he is an outstanding free throw shooter..attacking the paint with his speed is his major strength,and he should not shy away from it..it should be a major part of his limited offensive arsenol..

nunna!!

October 26th, 2010
8:53 am

another thing about teague is that if he plays like i said in the earlier post at 8:41am,he will be responsible for at least 20-25 percent of all our points..
his assists should be in the 10-15per game range..he should be at the line at least that many times as well..and with the floaters,layups,dunks,from fast breaks and steals that should equal another 6-12 points on different nights,he should help us score 50ppg..on a nightly basis..

and that is if,and only IF he has the ball in his hands..

steve brown

October 26th, 2010
8:59 am

nunna!!-hope you are right.

i_am_soulstar

October 26th, 2010
9:43 am

The PG position can be effective, as Bibby’s veteran savvy is needed in games where the other team has no real point guard threat, and Teague’s quickness is needed for teams with quick point guards, so this may come down to Drew’s coaching more than anything. Teague is like a point guard version of rookie Josh Smith… all the right tools, someone just has to show him how to use them.

Jamal Crawford’s most efficient basketball is driving the lane and getting to the free throw line, not jacking up contested 3 pointers from Centennial Olympic Park. If he continues making regular trips to the charity stripe, that’ll go a long way. And he can, because NOBODY can guard him.

If Jordan Crawford becomes efficent, one great thing about this offense is that it easily allows JJ to move over to the 3. And with JJ showing the world that he can guard Lebron the other night, I don’t see him having problems with any other 3 in the league (besides maybe Carmelo).

Josh Powell is the best backup PF we’ve had in awhile. We give alot of crap to Sund, but some credit must be given for his under-the-radar offseason acquisitions.

Jason Collins showed up ready to contribute! Nothing more to say.

Rufus1

October 26th, 2010
10:24 am

WE win 55 Games!!!!

2 Reasons….

1)4th QT scoring breakdowns will be limited and that cost the Hawks about 4-5 games.

2)LD will not allow the opposing teams PG to destroy Bibby for 35 min…He will play teague for defensive, that cost us 4-5 games(3 games against the Knicks)

Jamillion

October 26th, 2010
10:30 am

I personally think the move the hawks can & should make but won’t. Though it will save this franchise, bring in a championship buzz for the next couple of years, and make us a title contending team. I would trade Al, two first round picks, mo evans, and possibly bibby or second round pick for melo and birdman .Then sign dampier. Melo a do the deal for it would be the best team he’s ever been on, he’ll get his money before the new collective agreement& and his wife can persue her music in the music capital. We won’t have to over pay the 7th best pf to play like the 6th best center.And our bench a be legit wit bird,jamal, marv,z,jc2& bibby.It’s there for the taking denver wants a good big

niremetal

October 26th, 2010
10:30 am

Maybe while the Suns are loading up on middling perimeter players, we can convince them to take Crawford for Nash :lol:

In all seriousness, Nash was the league’s best PG last year, and he will be in the top 3 again this year. Writing off any team with him on it is stupid. If there were a way to bring him here without having to give up JJ or Al, I’d do it, no matter what combination of players we needed to use to seal the deal. Reuniting Nash and JJ now that JJ has matured into a true #1 option would just make the Hawks impossible to stop on offense. And the plus side is that our perimeter defense probably wouldn’t get any worse…I’d have said Bibby > Nash defensively a year ago, but not now. And Nash > Crawford defensively simply because Nash tries.

niremetal

October 26th, 2010
10:48 am

As for prediction…I always prefer to give a range rather than a specific number.

My “top” number is 56 wins. That’s if JJ looks as good in the offense for the whole year. as he did against the Heat last week, and the rest of the team commits to it too (which I honestly think will happen as long as JJ and Al do). Also, the team would need to stay quite healthy, with no major injuries to Joe, Al, and Josh. Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, Josh needs to buy into the offense way more than he did during preseason. If all those things happen, though, the team could challenge for a top 3 seed again.

My “bottom” number is pretty low – I’d say 41 or 42 wins is worst case scenario. That’s what would happen if any of the following happened: 1) We lost JJ for a significant (ie 15+ games) chunk of the season, especially early in the year while we’re trying to learn the offense; 2) We lost Al for a major (ie 25+ games) chunk of the season; or 3) one or more major rotation players regularly ignores the offense and does his own thing. Based on what I saw in the preseason, the most likely culprit is Josh. This was the most troubling thing I read all preseason:

Against the Heat, Smith launched a jump shot early in the game on a play that called for him to work in the post. He also attempted a 3-pointer late in the game.

Each time Smith takes a bad jumper, Drew is there to let him know about it. Smith doesn’t always appreciate the feedback.

“He snarled at me a little bit early in the game yesterday, but I was fine with it,” Drew said. “I want him to establish himself down low. I don’t want him to rely on making perimeter shots.”

The biggest risk of running a flex offense is that the system breaks down if one player doesn’t do what he’s supposed to. If Josh stays on the perimeter when he’s supposed to be on the block, or if he launches midrange jumpers instead of working through the system to create a higher-percentage shot, it breaks down. What’s more, if one of our captains snarls at his coach for having the audacity to tell him to not take shots that he missed 71% of the time last year, then tensions will mount in the locker room.

Also, if Teague goes half the season or more without finding his rhythm offensively (which would necessitate leaving Bibby on the floor longer), that’ll shave a good 4-7 wins from our total. But in the regular season, I don’t expect that alone to be enough to derail us completely.

So my range of 41-56 wins sounds like hedging, I know, but I honestly think there are too many variables floating around this season to be more specific. But for what we saw/heard from Josh in the preseason, I’d probably make the range 45-56, but I can’t pretend it’s not a potential issue. It’ll be a veeerrrry interesting first few weeks…

niremetal

October 26th, 2010
10:50 am

Whoops, the “Against the Heat” paragraph shoulda been italicized too. Here’s that article:
http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks/sluggish-hawks-lose-to-688415.html

newkid

October 26th, 2010
10:56 am

doc, because the Suns are in re-build mode (Nash clearly recognizes this), could now be the time for Sund to pitch a Marvin/Jamal/Bibby/1st for Nash & Hedo? Hawks concede defense at SF and a pick; Phoenix gets a very young SF/PF at reasonable price to help with re-building, salary relief, and a mid-round 1st. Hawks get real firepower @ SF and the point guard that could take them to the next level (while continuing to develop JQuick); and Nash gets yet another opportunity to possibly go deep into the playoffs over the last couple years of his career.

newkid

October 26th, 2010
11:01 am

Sorry Niremetal, didn’t see your 10:30 a.m. post before pressing enter at 10:56 a.m. Seems we’re thinking along similar lines with regard to Nash.

Clear the cold outta your eyes

October 26th, 2010
11:15 am

Boy Oh Boy! Nunna were you drinking when you wrote that 3 page dissertation! I hope you’re right though but I don’t see it and I do have my eyes open. Barring injuries on other teams, i.e. Miami, Boston, Orlando, Milwaukee. The Hawks will fall in line behind these teams and you may be able to throw in Chicago. Again, barring injuries on these other teams. Oh, also of course barring injuries on the Hawks.

niremetal

October 26th, 2010
11:29 am

newkid,

If Nash were traded, I’m pretty sure Robert Sarver would be forced to go hide in a cave for the rest of his life. That was wishful thinking on my part. Nash is beloved in Phoenix in a way that is impossible to understand unless you live there, from what I’ve gathered. Even if the team is rebuilding, I can’t fathom Nash being traded unless he demands a trade…and since he has built such close ties to the community, I can’t see him demanding a trade.

O'Brien

October 26th, 2010
12:51 pm

When Nash signed his extension, I think he knew that a rebuilding was possible (given Amare’s pending free agency). And I doubt they would trade him. Even if they lose 40 games, it will probably still be an exciting 40 games.

nire,

I didnt like that from Josh either (bad shot, snarling at the coach). And I also dont like his response to the preseason (unlike JJ and Al).

I wonder how many teams in the NBA have 3 captains? Better yet, how many teams have 2 captains?

As for win range, my guess is 47-52.

newkid

October 26th, 2010
1:40 pm

Maybe (wishfully thinking here) Sarver pulls a Pete Babcock (remember the Dominique trade?).

Astro Joe

October 26th, 2010
1:58 pm

My range is 45-52. My best guess is 48. And as I said on MC’s blog, LD will be fine as a coach, but the “sacred core” will be exposed as not being quite as divine as Sund/ASG seem to believe. I’d like to think that the team will get beter as the season progresses, but frankly, I have always doubted their mental make-up. If things don’t go well in the first 25-30 games, we could be looking at an epic melt-down of selfish play and in-fighting. And I have zero confidence in Sund making any team-changing trades in February to right the ship.

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/?gcid=C12289×022&gtkw=Hoopinion has posted several predictions from across the web. It’s a good read (if you’re interested in diverse opinions).

O'Brien

October 26th, 2010
3:09 pm

“And I have zero confidence in Sund making any team-changing trades in February to right the ship.” AJ .

I would like to see a trade to help us get over the hump. The trade deadline is a good time to use the $3+ mil exception we received from the Chills deal.

But I will not be surprised to see the exception expire because we dont use it.

It will be important for the Hawks to start fast, because it will promote more buy in from the players. Also, if I’m not mistaken, the schedule gets a lot harder in December, so we need to be clicking by then.

doc

October 26th, 2010
6:39 pm

nire i agree with ranges but i suspect your range will allow you to keep from being wrong for sure. it is a safe bet and one i might even wager on. 41 to 56 that is the largest range suggested by any blogger in the seven years i have been here. so, i see you have no confidence in this team right now and feel it is a team blowing in the wind.

my range is 44 to 48 with 46 being the target number i see in my muddy ball. i dont see the upside that many speak of primarily because of the learning curve. over 50 is going to be hard to reach. i do see the potential for downside risk especially in regards to what happens if there is a significant injury. i also see better competition from others but those lottery balls do play a role in how competitive some teams stay so that could quickly change like it did last year.

i also think the road will be tougher this year, especially out west. finally, suspect we get the fifth seed, lose home court and are brushed away in the first round unless LD is truly a magician and pulls the guys together to become a machine like they were to start the season last year as they rivaled the league’s best for margin of victory early on. of course the wheels came off and we had a hard time holding onto leads because of poor defense as much as poor offense. if they dont correct the transition defense we are sunk as in LD’s system the number of turnovers is going to go up, as will easy buckets against the likes of bibby’s and jamal’s inability to get back to make a difference.

doc

October 26th, 2010
7:44 pm

too funny, shaq hanging on the rim.

drmaryb (*_*)

October 26th, 2010
7:48 pm

doc

That rim must be titanium! I was looking for the glass to shatter from all that weight swinging on it. He He

drmaryb (*_*)

October 26th, 2010
7:51 pm

I see Teague playing on Rondo’s level. But Rondo has more muscle mass – Imo.
Teague said he worked on his leg strength this summer, because his legs were so tired, now the ankle sprain. I would like to see Jeff bulk up

vava74

October 26th, 2010
8:27 pm

miami being exposed…

bosh is showing that his low post game is only wishful thinking…

niremetal

October 26th, 2010
8:47 pm

Alright doc. 46-51 wins with a margin of error of +/-9%. Better? ;)

O'Brien

October 26th, 2010
8:51 pm

Jeffvan gundy said the heat will win more than 72 games. He must not have factored In adjustment time.

I’m glad Celtics are taking it to them.

doc

October 26th, 2010
8:53 pm

nire rofl, heh heh.

that’s the way to man up bro! ;-)

niremetal

October 26th, 2010
8:58 pm

If someone put a gun to my head (or told me I’d have to watch another Delaware Senate campaign ad) and told me to pick a number, I’d say 49 and the 5th seed. I’d say that I generally expect the team to go about .500 (or perhaps a bit below) out of the gate, pick up steam in December, slump in January or February, and finish with a flourish.

niremetal

October 26th, 2010
9:00 pm

Oh, and my “bold prediction” for a specific player is that Al will average 16 and 10 this year.

niremetal

October 26th, 2010
9:09 pm

Anyone seen MannyT? This was his prediction last year:
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-hawks-blog/2009/10/21/turning-the-page/#comment-3323

Ray–I could save this for the prediction blog, but let this thought pass through the mind. Boston’s age shows. They play well enough to win division, but not well enough to dominate. Hawks don’t outdo Orlando, but show they have the depth to be a serious challenge. End result–we don’t win SE, but we do have 3rd best record in East after Cleveland & Orlando…winning more games than last season 50 something.

I mean…damn!

vava74

October 26th, 2010
9:36 pm

After 3 quarters, Lebron has now 25 pts on 8-16 from the field.

This can only mean that Marvin sucks and that he can’t stop him after all… :-D

Melvin

October 26th, 2010
9:59 pm

From NBA FanHouse. You may have to overlook the key errors…

“Duffy confirmed two of his other clients from the 2007 draft, No. 4 pick Mike Conley Jr. of Memphis and No. 14 selection Al Thornton of Washington also will not sign extensions by Monday.”

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/10/26/greg-oden-to-be-restricted-free-agent-next-summer/

O'Brien

October 26th, 2010
10:02 pm

Miami is missing miller, because he is their best shooter. Lebron needs him to knock down those open shots.

I hope hawks are watching Boston’s defense and intensity.

niremetal

October 26th, 2010
10:05 pm

Wow, the refs are doing a late-breaking job on the Celts.

vava74

October 26th, 2010
10:06 pm

where is Shaq protecting the rim? :-D

vava74

October 26th, 2010
10:10 pm

yeah, great refereeing… I guess that Miami being wiped off the floor by a geriatric ensemble is not good for business and the refs have to make it at least close…

MannyT

October 26th, 2010
10:23 pm

I’m shocked, the Heat won’t go 82 – 0.

What will the glamour boys…er Heat do? 8-O

It’s all about the games, not the summertime decision!

MannyT

October 26th, 2010
10:27 pm

Looking 4 me and time machine of sports predictions…on the way in a few minutes…after watching Stern do his thing as Rev. Ringman.

MannyT

October 26th, 2010
10:30 pm

The things you cannot do, but would laugh to see.

Phil accepting ring #11…saying one for the (censored) 8-O

Big Ray

October 26th, 2010
10:32 pm

Jhan ,

I think that’s a fair barometer for Jeff Teague. If it takes much more than 25 games, then we should know why, and management may want to look at shoring up the position, especially if Mike Bibby is playing no better than he did last year (or worse). The only other glaring option is Jamal Crawford.

Nunna!! ,

Thanks, glad to see you’re still kickin’ it around here.

10-15 apg for Jeff Teague? Man, those are even above Steve Nash numbers. One thing about Teague’s jumper: he still needs to have a reliable jumper. It need not be 3 point range, it could be a mid-range shot. But he will need it, because the better defensive teams will scheme to keep him from penetrating, if he shows he can be that effective.

Big Ray

October 26th, 2010
10:48 pm

Jamillion ,

I understand the real target is ‘Melo in your trade proposal. But if I’m dealing Al to Denver, I gotta have Nene. Why? Because the Bird man is a bench player and a weak side defender (not unlike Josh Smith in that respect). There’s a reason why he has played behind Nene, Camby, and Kenyon Martin. Over his career, he’s averaged 5 points and 5 rebounds, in 18 mpg. Great for coming off the bench, but not a starter by any means. I guess that makes Dampier the starter, huh? Hmmmm. I liked the idea of Dampier on our bench, not sure how he’d fare as a starter, given his history, but not a bad fit (just lacking the up/down speed and athleticism that our lineup is known for).

Big Ray

October 26th, 2010
10:51 pm

Niremetal ,

Exactly what I was driving at when I mentioned the difference between our first two captains, and our third. Maybe there was more to that particular “conversation” between Drew and Smith, but what we heard was definitely disturbing.

AJ ,

I don’t know how long this fabled “core” has, before a change is made. In all likelihood, they have all of this season. As mentioned before, who ends up the odd man out could be a surprise.

My prediction? 48 wins. I’m sure I’m wrong. ;)

Big Ray

October 26th, 2010
10:52 pm

Not all surprised about Boston’s win tonight. Miami will get better, but they are dealing with a true contender, not just a team that can beat them.

Big Ray

October 26th, 2010
10:53 pm

Melvin ,

So….do you think Big Al becomes a RFA?

Melvin

October 26th, 2010
11:02 pm

Ray,

I wouldnt be surprise if he a RFA next season. The Hawks have the leverage and it’s up to Alford agent to come up with a deal to the Hawks liking.

MannyT

October 26th, 2010
11:03 pm

Time to return to NBA hoops.

I don’t think the glamour boys (Heat) will have a better record than the Magic in the regular season. The Heat will be the NBA equivalent of the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Sexcapades, etc. Until they gel, it will be more show than execution.

Sure they will have a good record, but they will not threaten the wins record or even win the division.

Unfortunately, that means the Hawks are probably 3rd in the SE. That means they probably get a 5th or 6th seed (After Orlando, Miami, Boston, then a dogfight with Chicago & Milwaukee. Not that Chi or Mlw are better, but Hawks will get pushed down in seedings b/c they are not a division winner and Chi/Mlw will be.) Think Braves season ending run w/SF & SD) I don’t see the Hawks having another season of great health. Not wishing for injuries, but they were almost freakishly healthy last season. Take some injury hits, a 1st time head coach and you get about 48 wins 34 losses. The wildcard in all this is if Sund decides to move Jamal during the season. NBA trades often suck up extra players to make the numbers work.

LD and the modified Sacramento/Princeton offense will ultimately be a good thing, but it will take time to develop. As it does, don’t be surprised if Bibby plays more minutes than you expect. Teague’s advantage is on defense. Breaking down a guy off the dribble is less important in a motion offense than making a shot. Who would you rather have to take a shot, Bibby or Teague?

..and the Magic are the team to beat in the East. They have been together for awhile, are younger than Boston and they can hurt the Glams
(Miami) in their 2 positions of non-stardom, PG & C.

I said it…you can take it to Vegas…the rooms are cheap until the economy improves! :-)

MannyT

October 26th, 2010
11:08 pm

I don’t mean to be the grim reaper of Hawks hoops, but if the owners threaten to lock out players, cut salaries, shorten contracts, possibly cut back on contract guarantees, contract teams, kick dogs and do everything else that will upset players and make the league more profitable for owners, I do see one bone tossed to players.

Some kind of relaxation of restricted free agency.

If you don’t sign Al now, the rules could be VERY different the next time he can be signed. Not saying that he would leave, but the terms for his new deal could be very stressful to deal with after this season.

niremetal

October 26th, 2010
11:33 pm

MannyT,

You’re right about there being a risk that the rules for RFAs might change, but even as it stands right now, there are only 5 teams in the league (Hou, Ind, NJ, OKC, Sacramento) that are slated to have enough cap space (after minimum salary roster cap holds are added) to offer a player a contract starting at $10M a year or more – and that’s assuming the cap doesn’t drop. Even assuming the cap remains the same, you can essentially scratch Hou and OKC off that list because extending Brooks or Yao would wipe out Houston’s cap space, and extending Green would scratch OKC off. I just can’t see Al being willing to sign with the train wrecks in Indiana, NJ (I’m still stunned that they gave Outlaw 5/35), or Sacramento. If the cap is lowered at all, you can subtract Ind and NJ from that list too.

It’s a risk, but extending Al and being stuck in a hard cap system where we have to dump a rotation player for nothing strikes me as a risk that’s more likely to come to fruition.

MannyT

October 26th, 2010
11:43 pm

@niremetal…I agree.

I wonder how owners plan to pull back on the salary cap levels when the majority of the teams are always over the cap. It’s going to be like phasing in prohibition in a bar full of alcoholics. You can make the rules, but no one will want them.

buzz

October 27th, 2010
6:43 am

41-41, first round playoff exit, wake me when the season is over.

O'Brien

October 27th, 2010
7:38 am

In 2007, San Antonio sent the draft rights to Scola along with reserve center Jackie Butler to Houston in exchange for Greek guard Vassilis Spanoulis and a 2009 second-round pick.

Watching Scola last night against the Lakers, its hard to believe that the Spurs traded him to Houston, a division rival, for what? To avoid Luxury Tax? Because they didnt think he would be a good fit?

I guess when you already have TD, Parker, Manu, and a HOF coach, you can make those decisions, and not get blasted for it. If the Hawks had done that, we’d still be hearing about it.

vava74

October 27th, 2010
9:32 am

OB,

Even before Scola played a single game for HOU I thought that the trade was a mistake given Scola’s maturity and international success with Argentina.

Scola would have given SA another title in my opinion since his pairing with Duncan would have been very effective.

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
9:42 am

Kind of funny, despite all of the canniblogging of the off-season, many around here are predicting a win total within 1-3 of each other. Maybe for different reasons, but the predicted result is essentially the same. Sounds like the very definition of “violent agreement”.

Is it 8:00PM yet? No? Damn!

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
9:46 am

BTW, Carlos Arroyo “started” at PG for the Heat and played all of 13 minutes last night. That’s why I continue to harp on the insignificance of Teague “starting”. The only thing that matters is playing time and finishing close games. Arroyo may become the answer to a trivia question (”Who was the starting PG on the Super Friends team?”) but it is very, very doubtful that he plays meaningful minutes in late/close games.

O'Brien

October 27th, 2010
9:49 am

AJ,

It’s the summer of sameness, remember? So many expect our season to be within 5 games or so of last year’s win total. If we want to make it really interesting, we can predict playoff exit.

I’m thinking second round exit, losing 4-2.

vava,

I thought Scola would have been good for them even as a sub, because he could fill in admirably for TD at times, helping him stay fresh.

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
9:52 am

Ob, we lose in 1st round in 7 games.

vava74

October 27th, 2010
10:04 am

my prediction: 51-31

I started by considering 22 more or less logical defeats in some away games and some selected home games (Bos – H/A, Mia H/A, Orl H/A, Lakers A, SA A, Chi A, Dallas A , Denver A, Mil A…) and then added 9 defeats due to the many back to backs.

I think we will go 1/3 against Bos, 1/4 against Mia and Orl, 1/1 against SA, Lakers, Dallas, Denver, Portland and OKC and 2/2 or 3/1 against MIL and CHI.

Then the added defeats are against lower graded teams due to us being tired / disinterested / unfocused.

All very similar to last year.

Possible variations to the above:

2/2 or even 3/1 against Bos; 2/3 or even 3/2 against MIA; 2/3 against ORL

vava74

October 27th, 2010
11:21 am

I am starting to feel opening night butterflies… and I have a strange feeling that tonight’s game will mark the way the whole season will work out.

If we lose tonight, we will be a 41-49 win team. If we win comfortably, I think we will win 50-54 games. If we win categorically, we will win 54-58 games.

MannyT

October 27th, 2010
11:32 am

MannyT

October 27th, 2010
11:37 am

Not sure we get to 2nd round in playoffs. Depends on who we get in 1st round. If we end up with a SE conf opponent in 1st round, we’re in trouble. Orlando is still our mouse daddy! Otherwise we’re ok.

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
2:58 pm

~5 hours to tip-off.

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
3:00 pm

You know, if Drew wantrs Horford to thinking like he is a center, how about having Horford rep the team during the opening jump ball as opposed to Josh?

O'Brien

October 27th, 2010
4:28 pm

AJ,

Al does not have the hops that Josh does.

Marc Gasol is not playing tonight, so I would like to see Al and Josh keep Zach Randolph under wraps on the glass.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/oct/27/marc-gasol-miss-tonights-season-opener-grizzlies/

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
4:50 pm

OB, I know that, but so what? The jump ball traditionally is done by the centers of the 2 teams. I’d bet that Iggy & Thad Young can touch a higher spot on the backboard than Spencer Hawes, but I’m guessing Hawes will handle the task for the 76ers. Blake Griffin may have an advantage over Kamen. Who does it for the Celtics… heaven knows KG can soar over Perkins and Shaq. The job should belong to the team’s starting center.

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
4:51 pm

3.25 hours to someone jumping for the ball.

niremetal

October 27th, 2010
5:03 pm

MannyT,

I think I posted that link around the time we traded the second round pick. Strangely, it seemed to get completely ignored :roll:

vava74

October 27th, 2010
6:08 pm

Minus 2 hours…

MannyT

October 27th, 2010
6:08 pm

@Astro

Maybe the Hawks have an odd case of xenophobia. Aside from Zaza, foreign players have not had much success here in a long time. (Al gets the American college exception card.)

The last good foreign player was a power fwd in a small fwd body (Diaw) and you see how well he did here. Pape Sy had to pay his own way to get here. BK fleeced the Hawks for Pau Gasol the 1st time and we didn’t even get into the magic beans deal the Grizz made with the Lakers a few years ago.

We prefer bad Americans to good Euros here. Shame. San Antonio has generally done a great job importing hoops stars. Scola was one that got away.

Gotta get ready for tip off.

MannyT

October 27th, 2010
6:11 pm

vava74

October 27th, 2010
6:12 pm

Gasol’s absence is potentially good news, however we tend to relax when things look easy(ier)…

MannyT

October 27th, 2010
6:35 pm

You’ll have a good time w/this link if you have 20 minutes. Retweeted by Sekou

My failure was getting stuck on Euro names that I could not spell…that’s the best help I can provide. Got to 90.

Enjoy.

http://bit.ly/ax5Zsm

niremetal

October 27th, 2010
8:34 pm

The “bad” from last season check-up:

OFFENSE
- No early-clock ISOs
- Josh has taken 3 long jumpers (including a 3). He hit 1.
- Marvin and Bibby being aggressive

DEFENSE
- So far, so good on all of last year’s weak fronts – closing out on shooters. staying in front of the guards, not conceding the lane

O'Brien

October 27th, 2010
8:59 pm

Guys are standing up, and cheering from the bench. And this is only game 1. I like it

niremetal

October 27th, 2010
9:12 pm

Is it just me or does Jamal seem to be operating entirely outside the flow of the offense?

O'Brien

October 27th, 2010
9:15 pm

nire,

I agree. he seems to hold the ball way too long.

Great first half by ZaZa. It looks like he was thrilled to see Woody go

vava74

October 27th, 2010
9:24 pm

Zaza has been great tonight, however, he is capitalizing on a limping ZeBo and no Gasol.

Don’t get overhyped. He is producing in line with what he should given the above.

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
9:28 pm

Can we trade Jamal tonight?

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
9:30 pm

Offense looks great. Defense is good… Memphis is helping by taking awful shots. Conley looks like his light bulb has been turned on. And Powell thinks that he is Karl Malone (Josh thinks he’s Ray Allen). But it’s all good.

vava74

October 27th, 2010
9:32 pm

On a different note:

Miami shot 20 FTs more than Philadelphia.

Down by 10 with a minute to go, Nocioni burried a 3 pointer and was fouled. No call.

Mia misses the next shot and Phila is “rewarded” with an offensive foul on their next attack…

O'Brien

October 27th, 2010
9:35 pm

AJ,

Jamal knew his numbers won’t be so good this year. He wanted to capitalize on his market value. However, its still early in the season.

Celtics beat Miami last night, but they are losing to Cleveland tonight (down 3, less than a minute to go)

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
9:37 pm

Seriously, hasn’t half of Josh’s shots been long range tonight?

vava74

October 27th, 2010
9:40 pm

Astro,

My hope is that, like last year after the game against the Lakers (second game of the year), Josh abandons that stuff.

O'Brien

October 27th, 2010
9:51 pm

AJ,

I think 5 of his 8 shots have been from long range. He is 1-5. Other than his jump shots though, he has looked good.

Hopefully, he gets them out of his system tonight.

And why cant we stop the Grizzlies all of a sudden? Within 6.

vava74

October 27th, 2010
9:53 pm

this is heading south pretty fast

JJ is having a bad shooting night, Josh is doing bone head plays after bone head plays which he then more or less compensates with his blocks…

Al is non existent tonight…

vava74

October 27th, 2010
9:54 pm

and so many careless turnovers…

vava74

October 27th, 2010
9:55 pm

I just hope that the Grizz run out of steam…

O'Brien

October 27th, 2010
10:01 pm

Good run by the Hawks to push the lead back to 15.

15 and 7 for Marvin.

I think Al’s extension amount just went down after this game

niremetal

October 27th, 2010
10:02 pm

Zaza for President!

lukas

October 27th, 2010
10:03 pm

Isn’t Teague the PG? Jamal is ballhogging every single offensive turn. He’s not playing for the team; he’s playing for himself!!

O'Brien

October 27th, 2010
10:04 pm

I would have loved to see ZaZa wave the finger Dikembe style

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
10:07 pm

Without Z Bo, Gay in foul trouble, Gasol hurt and Mayo MIA, this looks like an NBDL team.

niremetal

October 27th, 2010
10:08 pm

I agree with Lukas. This is a BAD sign if Jamal is gonna keep pulling this. Yeah, his FG% looks ok, but there have been 4-5 wasted possessions where his teammates set up for the flex, but he decided to go ISO and we ended up missing a low-percentage jumper at the end of the clock.

niremetal

October 27th, 2010
10:10 pm

I agree to an extent, Astro, but Mayo wasn’t MIA on his own. Our perimeter defenders were swarming him.

niremetal

October 27th, 2010
10:13 pm

Powell looking pretty good too.

I ain’t worried about Al, JJ, or even Josh (I’m starting to think that “peer pressure” will get to him if he keeps taking jumpers while the offense is clicking for everyone else). I think they’ll come along. I like what I’ve seen from the question marks – Marvin, Powell, Zaza, and Mo have been great, and JT0 has been uneven but still looks ready for rotation minutes. Jamal has a nice-looking box score, but he’s the one who worries me most after tonight. Bad D as always, and looks thoroughly uncommitted to the new offense.

O'Brien

October 27th, 2010
10:14 pm

I’m not liking Jamal’s flow. he seems to do it on his own more than anybody else…

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
10:14 pm

A lot of FTAs for Joe tonight… that’s new.

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
10:16 pm

Bibby looks like a guy who should be starting for a 50 win team. Steady. Not trying to do too much. Just doing what his coach asks him to do.

vava74

October 27th, 2010
10:17 pm

our offensive spacing is soooo much better…

vava74

October 27th, 2010
10:18 pm

yeah, Jamal is playing on his own…

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
10:24 pm

Time to let JC2 get some love.

Astro Joe

October 27th, 2010
10:26 pm

Why are the starters still in…20 point lead and less than 4:00 minutes.

niremetal

October 27th, 2010
10:27 pm

Horford knows his box score looks empty and he’s forcing it. Fortunately, I don’t think he’d do that if the game were closer.

vava74

October 27th, 2010
10:31 pm

Astro,

Because this team is still a work in progress executing this offense.

They need more minutes together.

niremetal

October 27th, 2010
10:40 pm

Sure there were some worrying signs, and yeah the Grizzlies were depleted. But anytime you can start your season with a win on the road against a team most people expect to challenge for a playoff spot in the West…hey, that’s a hell of a start.

vava74

October 27th, 2010
10:41 pm

MIL lost their first game

vava74

October 27th, 2010
10:46 pm

And CHI also went down…

Big Ray

October 28th, 2010
12:42 am

Hawks offense definitely looks better than ever with the ball and personnel movement. The more the ball moves, the greater potential there is for turnovers, so I’m not too worried about that.

The bench looked legit, and that was great (in part, because we needed them to be).

I see Josh is doing his same stuff as last season, blocking a bunch of shots, not rebounding nearly as well as he’s capable, dishing out a handful of assists, and taking enough jumpers (and missing them) to make you wanna scream. Not gonna make the all-star team with those numbers, that’s for sure.

I also see we’re leaning on him too much to clean up the mistakes we make starting on the perimeter.

Bibby looks better than he has in quite a while. Maybe this new offense really suits him (he hasn’t played in a real offense since Rick Adelman left Sacramento).

I liked Marvin’s contribution. Dude hit shots, hit free throws, and rebounding decently. Anybody who says Rudy Gay torched him…well, Gay needed 6 free throws to help his 7-16 shooting from the floor, and 21 points is good, but not great.

Yes, Rudy Gay makes you want to find Billy Knight and smack him upside the afro….

Al Horford came into the season like he should be on the front of a Wheaties box. Instead, he’s going to be on the back of a orange juice carton under “missing persons”. I hope it’s just an issue with his ankle or whatever, because we need a heck of a lot more out of him than what he gave us.

In the meantime, Zaza was great off the bench, and we finally have found a good PF off the bench in Powell. I’ll take 8 points and 6 boards in 20 minutes anytime.

Jamal helped, but something told me that he would not have nearly the prominent role in this new offense, and it shows already. Here’s the irony in it: he’s holding the ball with his dribbling act in ways that people always used to accuse Joe Johnson of doing. Didn’t see that coming, huh?

Joe Johnson….what can be said? Not the best shooting night, but this makes up for it: 9-11 from the charity stripe. I’ll take those 40-something percent shooting nights all season long if he can get to the line 4+ times a night.

Jeff Teague – didn’t look bad, didn’t look great. I’m looking for him to grow into things more. I’m giving it 20-30 games, but by then he should be having a very clear impact on the game in significant minutes, if he doesn’t win the starting job. Why? Because there will be nights where Bibby gets covered up on one end, and can’t stay in front of the opposing pg on the other end, and Teague will need to come into the game, showing his ability to stay in front of point guards, and penetrate the lane.

I’ll take the win on the road. Anytime.

Big Ray

October 28th, 2010
12:46 am

I wasn’t worried about Joe’s preseason turnovers. Sure enough, he rings up 7 assists and 2 turnovers.

Jamal isn’t getting an extension here, not playing like that. Guy never causes problems and is great in the community. But if this team continues to embrace this offense, they just won’t need him the same way they did last year. Especially if Marvin continues to do well.

Up next is Philly, who has consistently given us trouble in the last couple of years. Big difference? No low post enforcer (Dalembert) anymore, with Elton Brand being the closest thing to any sort of discourager at the rim. More on that later…

vava74

October 28th, 2010
4:11 am

TS,

You are incorrigible! What a man crush you must have for Al… Did he refuse to give you an autograph?

Only a love-spite produces that type of reaction…

doc

October 28th, 2010
9:41 am

nire summed it up perfectly and succinctly at 10:40.

go hawks!

Astro Joe

October 28th, 2010
10:16 am

I (temporarily) retract my criticism of Jamal from last night. While he clearly needs to play within the offense more than he did yesterday, we will need his special ability to make a basket “be any means neccesary”. Josh, on the other hand, his shot selection was inexcusable. Drew is facing the identical problem that the previous coach faced… dude is much too valuable on the defensive side to “hold him accountable” for his childish shot selection. I thought that Smith was supposed to be “banned” from the perimeter, but there he was, 18+ feet from the basket, in many sets. I’m sure the Josh apologists will claim that he is un-learning the bad habits he picked up while working for the previous head coach. I just think that dude likes to shoot long-range shots with 10+ seconds left on the shot clock. But as long as he is a defensive terror, all will have to live with his annoying habit of pretending he is Jamal Mashburn.

O'Brien

October 28th, 2010
11:20 am

AJ,

Josh makes a lot of those shots in practice, so its like he wants to prove everybody wrong during the game. LD will have his hands full, but if it becomes a bad habit where Josh is shooting multiple shots a game, then I would like to see him take Josh out of the game to send a message, especially since Powell has looked better than I thought he would.

As for Jamal, I think he will do his own thing on offense more than anybody else. He is playing for a contract, probably as a starter, and averaging 13 ppg off the bench might not get him the contract he is looking for.

Astro Joe

October 28th, 2010
11:39 am

OB, Lebron routinely makes half-court shots in practice…

doc

October 28th, 2010
12:56 pm

aj, seems you read the notes of MC from last night as you reassess your comments. no you dont get instant offense from anyone else. flip isnt here and he is two years older than he was while here. we will need every player to do their jobs. jamal wasnt brought here to be a stopper on defense. let jordan prove he has what it takes before jettisoning of jamal. let teague show he can be a stopper not jamal.

O'Brien

October 28th, 2010
1:29 pm

AJ,

I don’t want taking those shots either. I was just speculating what his thinking might be.

On draft day, Jay bilas said Josh is the player most likely to be a bust. That probably pushed Josh to be better and prove him wrong.

Doc,

Jamal needs to do a better job picking his spots though (when to improvise, when to stay with the motion).

doc

October 28th, 2010
2:07 pm

i didnt see the game so i cant comment specifics. many said jamal was not in flow while others said though they saw the motion offense it wasnt used as much as they expected. so was hein the flow or not in the context of what LD wanted is the question? yes, he will go off on his own due to his instincts to play like that. again, we also dont know exactly what is expected of him from LD. only i think it is ludicrous at this point to say after one game he is playing this way only to get a contract since this is how he has played his whole career right or wrong. like everything, i guess we need some time to let it sort out. last year it was a godsend, this year we dont know yet.

it seems LD will be refreshingly honest about expectations and it will be transparent. i will await a few games before deciding even one or two live as a seaon ticket holder. i look forward to watching body language between coach and all the players as it is very suggestive of what is going on deep. it also seems he communicates through the players first and not through the press which is the major way his candid comments could backfire. i really like his comments and his talk. i just hope he can deliver because as a fan that is perfect, a winning team with a coach that is articulate.

Astro Joe

October 28th, 2010
2:15 pm

doc, I honestly had not read MC’s comments when I made that statement. I was thinking about how much harder it would be to handle the Hawks if the opposing team doesn’t know if they are about to run the new pentangle offense, some classic pick & roll stuff or just utilize Joe, Jamal or Al in isolation. You have used football analogies before. They say that when an offense can run different schemes with the same personnel, it makes it that much harder to defend. If the Falcons have to sub Turner when they want to feature an RB in the passing game, then the defense can be easily tipped off when Turner leaves the field. But if Turner can learn how to become an effective pass catcher, it makes the offense much more effective and unpredictable. So if Jamal is there and is sometimes asked to do his tricky-dribble, Harlem Globetrotters routine in one possession and then in the very next one, Josh is finding him on a backdoor cut to the rim, then the opposing coach will likely be thinking “WTF am I going to do now to defend this ish?” And so, we need to deal with Jamal’s antics (which I find annoying) because of the diversification he could provide. Josh’s jump shots? I have yet to figure out an intelligent reason to allow that nonsense to continue. Drew had it right in the presser… keep his butt in the painted area (exclusively).

Astro Joe

October 28th, 2010
2:24 pm

doc, in repsonse to your 2:07 post, shortly after Jamal checked into the game, Rathburn was saying something like”this offense is great, no one has had to force up a shot”. And then, maybe 2 seconds after that left his mouth (and after watching some effortless scoring by several different players throughout the quarter), Jamal forces up a wild shot with maybe 18 seconds left on the shot clock. I think that’s when I thought to myself, “TRADE HIS BUTT THIS SECOND”. But like I said, I hereby retract that sentiment… at least for a minute. :twisted:

WR

October 28th, 2010
2:37 pm

Big Ray, nice assessments of last nights opener. I personally really liked the fact that Drew went deep into his bench, and while they were playing well he continued to let them play, if he and they(the bench) can keep this up all season it will pay great dividends at the end of the season and into the playoffs, REST, something the Hawks starters haven’t been accustomed to in recent memory.

As for the offense, it was exciting to see players using backdoor screens, passing to the open man while staying patience, and just the idea of seeing everyone constantly moving. Who knows how it will turnout but from this first game it at least gave a fan something to be excited about rather then waiting on the next J-Smoove dunk. Speaking of Smoove, apparently he plans to make sure we forget that he only took seven threes all of last year, rocky road ahead, Smoove is back into launching mode, and not the launch intended for a dunk, warning, possible sporadic threes could be launched at anytime, if you have any blood pressure issues be forewarned.

niremetal

October 28th, 2010
3:23 pm

Josh’s shot chart from yesterday:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_A8Q03qBLGIs/TMl_nsCV61I/AAAAAAAAAMo/HceekKWNRSU/s1600/josh+smith+10.27.jpg

For those keeping track: 3 for 3 inside the paint, 2 for 7 outside the paint.

I really, honestly don’t get Josh on this point. Why the f*ck does he think he needs to prove he can hit jumpers? Last time I checked, no one gave a damn if you’re a PF who can’t shoot a jumper as long as you can defend, rebound, and score from the low post and on putbacks. Long as you can do things, no one cares about your jump shots…unless, of course, you insist on shooting and missing jump shots. In other words, no one here would give a rat’s azz about Josh’s poor jump shooting skills AS LONG AS HE DIDN’T KEEP SHOOTING THE DAMNED JUMPERS.

niremetal

October 28th, 2010
3:27 pm

*Long as you can do those things

Astro Joe

October 28th, 2010
4:09 pm

nire, Amen. 70% of his FGAs outside of the paint. That would be a bad percentage for Joe Johnson. According to some stuff I was reading on Hoopinion over the past week or so, the trend started in pre-season games. UGHHHH!

Astro Joe

October 28th, 2010
4:12 pm

doc

October 28th, 2010
4:58 pm

aj gotcha. got to admit it was funny to see your strong remarks
last night, see MC’s write up this a m and turn to thr nest blog to find your retraction. remember ur guy flip made some bonehead ones too. i liked flip just as much as u bro. we need a scorer sparkplug off the bench and as you say if LD can mix up his pitches then the other coach has got to say wtf!

Astro Joe

October 28th, 2010
5:02 pm

doc, just trying to remember the lesson I learned during the “Woody Era”… there is more than one way to make a good burger. So let’s see how Chef Drew uses the Jamal ingredient. :lol:

O'Brien

October 28th, 2010
6:39 pm

doc,

There was another play where jamal got the ball with about 7 or 8 seconds left on the clock, and he was 3 steps behind the 3 point line.

Without even looking if anybody was open, he took one dribble to get closer to the 3pt line, and attempted the 3, although his defender had a hand up, and a second defender was closing on him quick.

I know that the shot clock was winding down, but that was typical of his play most of the night. More often than not, he held the ball way too long.

That being said, its only one game, and he missed a lot of the preseason, so maybe he hasnt fully adjusted to the motion offense as yet. And he did go 5-11 (46%). We’ll see how he does as the season continues.

2 cents

October 28th, 2010
6:39 pm

“no one here would give a rat’s azz about Josh’s poor jump shooting skills AS LONG AS HE DIDN’T KEEP SHOOTING THE DAMNED JUMPERS.”

I try to put two sentences together that make sense. I hope this guy can too. Is it me or do these two sentences contradict each other?

What is the difference between “jump shooting” and “jumper” ?

Its mentalities like these that us real fans have to put up with. Josh is a very good player and gets the job done.

y u hate?

Big Ray

October 28th, 2010
8:01 pm

Actually, those two sentences go together rather well. Expecting anybody and everybody to understand is well… apparently unrealistic.

New blog up soon, y’all.

O'Brien

October 28th, 2010
8:17 pm

I am looking forward to the Magic game tonight. How many calls will Howard get?

And I am looking forward to the John Wall era. I wonder who will be ROY? Will it be Blake Griffin? John Wall? Or somebody else?