Camp is around the corner…

It’s almost over, that seemingly never-ending drought known as summer.

If you’re a diehard basketball fan, it can’t come quick enough, and still won’t in the month of September. But there is some good news, and that news is that training camp is less than a fortnight away. And just like the rest of you, I’ll be peppering Michael Cunningham (the Hawks beat writer) for any and all information he can throw us poor, starved Hawks fans. Although it’s ahead of time, here are six questions we might consider going into training camp. Mind you, some of them are questions we’ve already asked, and there will be some that I haven’t thought of, or simply didn’t list. By all means, feel free to give answers to the ones I pose, pose some of your own, and so on. But for now, here’s my six, along with some opinionated commentary -

1) Will Jeff Teague show aggressiveness and a willingness/ability to take the reins early on?  Larry Drew has already stated that going into camp, Mike Bibby is the incumbent starter at point guard, and that Teague would have to earn the starting spot. Those in the know say that Bibby has some pride, and will not go easily to the bench (though this is not to assert that he would have any attitude issues about it). Nick Van Exel was hired to help with Teague’s development, sending the signal that Drew at least realizes they need to invest in their young point guard if anything is to be gained or gleaned from his talents. But which Teague will show up to camp? The guy who dunked on Lamar Odom in a regular season game last year, or the guy who talked about giving the ball up to the shooting guard at the half court line, in the first couple of summer league games this year?

2) Will the players finally buy into each other?   A lot is made of whether or not the players will buy into Larry Drew and his philosophies. I have no doubts that they will, based on their own comments at the very least. But they also bought into Mike Woodson, and it didn’t last. Perhaps the real question is whether or not they will buy into the coaching staff, but whether they will finally buy into each other. After all, can it be said that Woodson did not try to get them to do it? Surely he did, even if some of his methods may or may not have been the most conducive to achieveing such a goal (yes yes, the dreaded ISO offense would be the first to come to mind, no?). But they never really did it, or they would not have experienced such catastrophic meltdowns when things got tough. A revamped coaching staff won’t be enough. A new and completely different coaching staff might not have been enough, either. Sometimes organic growth means more than we think it does. If this growth does not occur, look for similar results.

3) Which young guard will shine the brightest, Jeff Teague or Jordan Crawford? Some might say this is an unfair scenario, as Teague is one of only two actual point guards on the roster, and he will be given a realistic chance to win the starting job. Meanwhile, Jordan Crawford will be hard-pressed to find minutes behind last year’s top two scorers in Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford. Add in Mo Evans who is a natural shooting guard, and Crawford may find more splinters in his rear end than Teague did last year. So it would seem that Teague has the edge. But does he? Jordan Crawford seems to play with a natural ease of flow in the game, rarely hesitates to do his thing, and may not be as defensively inept as some would claim. And, he may find one of the two shooting guards ahead of him gone by the time camp comes around. Speaking of which…

4) Will the situation with Jamal Crawford evolve into a source of distraction, or a source of stability? Jamal was all class and humility when he came to town. Now, he’s demanding a contract extension or a trade. Nevermind the fact that nobody seems to know how many millions he wants, or for how many years. In a way, that’s not the point. Jamal may be getting bad advice from agents or other members of his inner circle. Or, he may just be handling himself like a businessman. Or….he may see the writing on the wall. Under Mike Woodson and his offensive philosophy, Crawford prospered, having arguably the best year of his career. But the nature of that offense put his talents on display and gave him more individual freedom than an offense like Larry Drew wants to run. Jamal probably knows his value is only going to go down, and with a new CBA in the works, the potential paychecks will be even smaller still. Again, under Drew, Jamal’s role may very well change. Especially if other players step up, as there will less of a need to have him in the game to replace either of two starters (Bibby, Williams). With a (hopefully) renewed zeal on defense, Jamal becomes a guy you don’t want on the floor at the end of games. At some point, having a streak shooter who isn’t afraid to take any shot, doesn’t cover the inability to even remotely defend the opposing team with some modicum of effectiveness. Some of the more knowledgeable whispers are that Jamal isn’t going to back down off of his “pay me or trade me stance.” The Hawks aren’t liable to be in a hurry to usher out another extension to anybody not named Al Horford. Some think Jamal will be a good team player and report to camp regardless of what happens. Others are saying “no way.” If Jamal is forced to play out his contract, it could be a long year. If you think this won’t impact him, his teammates, and his play, think again. Or is that presumptive?

On a related note, if the Hawks decide to ship Jamal, where should they ship him, and for whom/what?

5) Will Marvin ever turn that blasted corner? It doesn’t matter how many tough guys you add to the bench. If you’re running a lineup that includes three guys who are around 6′9″ and 245 pounds at most, it needs to be a highly athletic and active trio. Oddly enough, Marvin has the most impressive wingspan of the three, at 7 feet and 3.5 inches. All of Marvin’s purely physical measureables say he fits here, but how do you explain what happened to him last season? Either Marvin finds his niche and becomes solid on both ends of the floor, or it’s time to admit that this proverbial “core” is fractured. Marvin must become a good defender, and a solid scorer. He does not have to be the best on the team at either, but he has to be good enough to not only justify his status as a starter, but for this team to experience greater success than it has. Some would suggest that former coach Mike Woodson held him back and misused him. Well, there is no better time than the present to prove that theory right, and to make Larry Drew look like a savior. Otherwise, he makes himself and everyone who has supported him look foolish. Blame coaching or not, in the end it comes down to Marvin himself.

6) Will the Hawks get some actual contribution from their big man reserves? Guys at the end of the bench are there for a reason, but the Hawks need the guys they’ve picked up to be real contributors, like it or not. Jason Collins was a non-factor last season. Joe Smith wasn’t much more than that. Randolph Morris was a foul disaster waiting to happen every time he touched the floor. Collins is back and reportedly in actual game shape this time (or at least weighing less). Etan Thomas and Josh Powell were reportedly added to the roster to provide some toughness. Hard to be tough for your team from the bench, and it won’t give any help to all-star center Al Horford, who has been asking for help. Will Powell earn and get the playing time he fled L.A. to Atlanta to pursue? Will Etan Thomas show some of his old moxie, or become little more than a token veteran voice in the locker room? Can Collins contribute this time around, or will he merely be the best paid towel-waver on the sidelines (again)? Management better get ready for more heat from the fan base as teams take a gander at the freshly waived Erik Dampier. If the Hawks’ bargain basement big men don’t produce, the inevitable wail for what might have been will return in earnest.

So what do you think? Have a question of your own? Have an answer? Go for it!



(UPDATE) : Who would have believed it around draft time, or even shortly thereafter?  Hawks 2nd round draft pick Pape Sy has actually joined the team after his contract was bought out from his French team, and the Hawks have another backcourt player. Will this have any effect on the Jamal Crawford situation? How will Sy fare during training camp? Can he contribute this year, or perhaps the next? Is this a vote of confidence in Larry Drew from management and ownership?

208 comments Add your comment

steve brown

September 15th, 2010
9:08 am

The question is really for Drew, do these players fit your “system” or not? If the 2 key players mentioned by you, Jamal Crawford and Marvin Williams, don’t fit then trade them now (because their value will only decrease) for players Drew wants. That is what a coach and GM on the same page building for a championship would do. Of course that is not the case here, acceptable results are sadly the goal and when that is all you strive for that is the most you will achieve.


September 15th, 2010
9:09 am

You left out the most important question 7

Will Inez Sainz accept doc’s invite to cover training camp ;-)


September 15th, 2010
9:10 am

Dampier a free agent now. Will the Hawks make a move???


September 15th, 2010
9:11 am

On a more focused note, will Jordan Crawford make enough of an impact in camp, that Sund considers moving Jamal Crawford’s big expiring contract for a useful rotation player at a different position.


September 15th, 2010
9:14 am

JC2 needs a year to develop. JC1 goin nowhere unless the deal is irresistably good.


September 15th, 2010
9:19 am

Another question: How will Zaza fit into LD’s plans? Will he now spot start at C with bench able to give more fouls….assuming the bench adds are better than replacements, which I believe they are.

Zaza played well this summer and his forray into boxing bodes he wants to compete for minutes. I think he could be more of a tell than many speculate.

Also, I noted a “trade wish” on MC’s blog yesterday. I think keeping Jamal until mid season is the best idea. But, if Shane Battier were to become available…salaries match….I’d jump on that with both feet NOW. It would put Marvin on the bench, and could impair him. I don’t think it would. I think it could make him a potential 6Man at the 3/4/5 positions. Supersub. He can’t cover Howard, but he can stand his ground against most centers, especially bench centers.

Anxious to see how they buy into the structured offence vs. ISO. I believe JJ will buy in…he already has a contract. This is why Jamal is begging; he sees the handwriting on the wall. If I were him,, I’d do the same…not judging. But, this is still business and we only have so much money to spend.

Astro Joe

September 15th, 2010
9:37 am

My favorite question of the ones listed above is about the players buying into each other. The one that I will add is about player leadership… will Horford take the next step to becoming the player’s designated leader? If this very similar set of players is going to exceed the recent standards they will need to do so because of chemistry and leadership across the roster. Yes, a more diversified offense will help, but ultimately, the players need to step it up in several intangible areas (toughness, competitiveness, determination, leadership, heart, etc).

Oh and one more very tangible question, will the players be physically fit to effectively run Drew’s pentangle offense? I expect some rough spots in learning/executing the scheme, but hopefully, no one will arrive with extra pounds in the mid-section.


September 15th, 2010
9:49 am

1) Not early on. It will take some time (maybe after the AS break) for Teague to grab the starting position from Bibby.

2) The players will buy into each other…early on. The question is, will they buy in when they lose 3 out of 4? Or do they go back to their old ways. I think they stay committed to each other.

3) Teague shines more, but only because he is up against Bibby.

4) The problem with the Jamal situation is the Hawks have backed themselves into a corner, in that they wont have many good trade options this late (if they wanted to trade him). So I think they keep him for the year, hope he doesn’t become a distraction, and maybe trade him at the deadline.

5) No. I’m not convinced he has the mental fortitude to turn the corner. But as a Hawks fan, I hope I am wrong. I would love to see Marvin become a top 5 defender at his position, and be able to knock down the (big) open shot (ala Bruce Bowen).

6) Yes. LD will do a better job with the rotations, and the players will put forth better effort.


September 15th, 2010
10:43 am

1) Yes, by December the latest he will be starting.

2) As OB said, early on yes, however, how will they cope with a different scheme which possibly will imply some growing pains (and losses).

3) Teague. Crawford has too many people ahead of him. However, if Jamal is traded early, this couple a stale mate.

4) Yes, it will be a distraction and will probably hinder Jamal’s own mental balance. I expect him to jack up too many shots to prove doubters wrong and pretenders that he is good.

I would trade him for a backup SF or a young C.

5) Yes, LD’s game will suit his skills: play good D will earn him playing time (we suffered last year with him on the bench to close games – yes he did not bring offense, but he is a big body who plays D).

However, I don’t think, at all, that his game will ever resemble Bowen’s. He is not a good stand still catch and shoot. He needs to be on the move to be effective since I think his forte is the mid-range short drive and pop shot and around the basket where is soft touch usually earns him baskets.

6) Yes. LD’s game plan will imply more movement and more energy expenditure which means that LD will have to rotate his bench more.

I honestly think that Powell will be a strong bench player for us matching Josh’s athleticism off the bench and keeping the energy levels high allowing us to have Smoove fresh to close games and erase shots and get his buzzer put backs.

I think Thomas will bring effective muscle shifts against selected opponents and will push Zaza to perform more consistently.

Collins will continue to be a deep bench player, however, I expect him to play against the bigger Cs more consistently.

Dreamer 3K

September 15th, 2010
10:51 am

Request – To ask for as a favor or courtesy
Demand – To call for or require as a right with repercussions if unmet

To be fair, is Jamal making a request or demand. I view “demands” and “requests” differently. Semantics, maybe? But the linked blog used the term “request.” I’m a big Jamal fan on and off the court and I’d hate to see him go. During many 4th quarters, he was the Hawks point guard; to regard him simply as a back-up shooting guard in my mind sorely undervalues him. But again, I’m an admittedly biased Jamal guy.


September 15th, 2010
11:14 am

If Marvin returns back to the form he had before his injury in ‘09, the team will be fine even in the absence of Jamal. As for Jamal, let’s just say the man needs new agents.

allan in texas

September 15th, 2010
11:45 am

Sy Pape Sy Pape Sy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


September 15th, 2010
12:22 pm

Dreamer 3K,

Jamal was very good for us last year to break open games in the second and third quarters, however, his production to close games was not good. The PHO’s game winner was the exception.

My view is that he was overused by Woody and that he ended up hurting us a lot down the line when shots have to be better selected and possessions have to be milked the right way.

Look at Jamal’s clutch stats with us last year at (look at the criteria – last 5 minutes or overtime with game on the line – less than 5 points differential).

As a PG he was not effective and a big defensive liability at the same level than Bibby.

Dreamer 3K

September 15th, 2010
1:48 pm


Reasonable people can, and often do, disagree. I enjoy reading you and some other regulars. I’ll go back in my hole now.

Astro Joe

September 15th, 2010
1:53 pm

Chad Ford offers a summer grade for the Hawks:

10. Atlanta Hawks

Key additions: Joe Johnson (re-signed), Jordan Crawford (draft), Larry Drew (coach)

Key subtractions: Josh Childress, Mike Woodson

The Hawks surprised just about everyone this summer by giving Johnson a max contract. The conventional wisdom had the Bulls, Knicks or some other team with major cap room sneaking in and stealing him away. In the short term, it was a great move by the Hawks. In the long term? The franchise may really regret it.

A six-year, $123 million contract is huge for a 29-year-old guard who absolutely fell apart in the playoffs versus Orlando in May. The deal could also have some long-term effects on the Hawks’ ability to pay free agents going forward. Al Horford will be looking for a big extension this fall. Can the Hawks really afford three max players?

The team’s other move was more Hawks-like. They let head coach Mike Woodson go and replaced him with the cheapest possible alternative, assistant Larry Drew, who is an unknown at this point. But hiring a head coach with no experience is a strange move for a team that is trying to take the next step in the playoffs.

Grade: C


September 15th, 2010
6:44 pm


You have the uncanny ability to be the resonating box of all the foulest crap written about the Hawks.

I have zero respect for a guy who still mentions Chills as a minus/loss when he is supposed to make a year to year assessment.

Chills was gone already 2 years ago, so his definitive departure has NO F*CKING relevance when comparing the transition from 09/10 to 10/11.

Chills would only be relevant for this type of assessment if he had re-signed with us.

I know that you are absolutely loving to read “cheapest possible alternative” as LD’s hiring is characterized but any half decent reporter/analyst has to ALWAYS present all angles and the angle which he SHOULD HAVE presented is that LD is familiar with both the organization and the roster and HAS CLEARLY presented a plan which is supposed to address our major tactical weaknesses.

If we had retained Woodson, I am sure that he would be most happy to point out the lack of ball movement, excessive ISO plays, switching D and stinking chemistry but since he can’t mention that as a negative factor which would be used as a minus on his assessment.

And the last sentence? Please… Phil Jackson, Avery Johnson, Popovich, all had zero experience as top flight managers and took their teams further than the predecessors.

Fratello was Hubie Brown’s assistant and he took us further (or at least more consistently into the second round) than Hubie who was a renown HC.

Also on JJ, another miss conception: JJ did not fell apart against ORL, he was already “NOT THERE”.

If you want to criticize JJ for his playoff performance you have to do it for the right factors which are not “on court related” but linked with his inability to digest the chemistry blow up we had upon arrival to Milwaukee.

JJ averaged for the first 4 games of the MIL series 25,75ppg 5,25rpg 6.00apg 1,75spg and 0,5bpg on 50FG% and with 7FTA on his 2 away games.

After that he simply sulked. Want to criticize? Sure, please do, however, do it correctly.


September 15th, 2010
9:17 pm

Questions one and two are non-starters, gotta be patient and wait to see how the players adjust in camp to even begin to ponder that one (and with question 2, the real question isn’t whether they buy into each other, but whether they do so all season, even in the face of an Orlando-styled sweep).

3) Teague easily, though Jordan could see some surprising minutes if the Jamal debacle does become a distraction, leading to my next point….

4) I doubt it solidifies the team in any sense of the word, but Jamal has to realize that it does him no good in any situation to blow off camp or play any worse because he doesn’t get his way. If Jamal goes that way, more minutes will be seen by Mo Evans and Jordan Crawford, though Jordan’s minutes will almost always come at the end of a blow-out one way or the other.

5) Given how the Princeton runs, honestly can’t see how he couldn’t find a way to improve and find his mojo, but this is Marvin we’re talking about. During his interview with Sekou and Mike Cunningham, there was no allusion to him working on his 3-point shot during the offseason, meaning the corner three still won’t be apparent or helpful when he attempts them. I don’t see how he could possibly get worse unless Mo Evans ends up being a lot better….

6) Big men coming off the bench rank in the following order by no particular reasoning other than old school Woody logic; Zaza first (depending on whether it is Josh or Al in foul trouble, shift appropriately), Josh Powell (gotta give the rings their props), Etan Thomas and then Jason Collins (except when facing Shaq, then Jason would bump ahead of Etan). I pray that our bench rotation is properly utilized, but I’m still pondering who rocks the bench and who rocks the monkey suits. Hopefully the first scrimmages between what the obvious first team and our currently pondered second team will provide the answer to that (currently assuming Teague/Jamal/Evans/Powell/Zaza).


September 15th, 2010
10:54 pm

Just what the Hawks needed after the Orlando series…a cheese-eating surrender monkey

Big Ray

September 15th, 2010
11:38 pm

moboman ,

I doubt the Hawks go after anybody else, much less another big man. They could have waited for the Dampier situation to shake out, but I also think they wanted to make sure they got an absolute minimum contract guy. Dampier was no guarantee to be that.

Big Ray

September 15th, 2010
11:42 pm

Dreamer 3k ,

Post all you want. Some strong opinions here, but the more the merrier. If you’ve been around long enough, you will see that we all have our hot button issues and we all have some personal agendas…er..opinions.. that we JUST WON’T SHUT UP ABOUT. That’s why it’s blogging. Welcome to “The Nest.” :)

Big Ray

September 15th, 2010
11:48 pm

Dreamer 3K ,

Also, at least you can admit that you’re biased about something. All that means is you have an opinion that leans in a particular direction, on a given subject. Some people just cannot admit that, and get all emotionally wound up in the process. But again, this makes blogging fun. Most of the time. LOL….

MannyT ,

Good question on JC2. While I’d normally avoid the Woody vs. Drew type of angles, I have to wonder if JC2 doesn’t have a little better chance at making an impact that will NOT go unnoticed, than Teague would have. While we’re not privy to training camp (and even the media is severely limited), I still hope to hear something on the subject. My guess is that JC2 will prove to be more impactful in his rookie campaign than Teague was, by virtue of his own natural self, regardless of who is coaching and what his mindset on rookies happens to be.

At the same time, Drew kinda hinted at JC2’s development being more along the lines that Woodson had in mind for Teague last season. Yet it makes sense. After all, before the trade demand/request situation with Jamal came up, how did we see JC2 getting minutes behind him and JJ?

Big Ray

September 16th, 2010
12:01 am

I’m confused. Did Astro Joe write that article, or was it Chad Ford?

Wait, wasn’t Astro Joe the one jumping up and down, extolling the virtues of Larry Drew/Rick Sund’s hiring of Nick Van Exel? I could have sworn that was a positive reaction, but I could have read it wrong…

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Big Ray

September 16th, 2010
1:01 am

BrittishAnger ,

On question two, your point is well taken. But it has to start somewhere (buying into each other). Why not training camp? It’s the same place they’ll begin the foundation of their new offense and defense, right?

Great answers to the questions, by the way.

Big Ray

September 16th, 2010
1:06 am

Nire ,

This is what your link to Wikipedia said:

“Cheese-eating surrender monkeys,” sometimes shortened to “surrender monkeys,” is a derogatory description of French people that was coined in 1995 by the writers of The Simpsons. It gained notoriety[1] in the United States, particularly in the run-up to the Iraq War.

Wow. I’m speechless…


September 16th, 2010
5:08 am


in Pape’s defense, I doubt that due to his ethnicity he is as fervorours adept of cheese as his fellow country men of european descent… :-D as for the surrendering bit… let’s hope that he pulls a Tony Parker on ‘roids stunt, however, as either Astro or OB pointed out, I expect him to become kind of a Pietrus with more handle and slashing.

the issue about him staying in Europe vs coming over (from the other blog):

The french league is fairly short: no more than 34 games played once a week in general with a few weeks in which they may play mid week (although midweek is usually reserved for european competitions to which Le Havre has not qualified*) to which probably only an elimination cup will add at best 6 or 8 games (if they progress 3 or 4 rounds).

*a quick check indicated this. I could be wrong.

So, staying in a league were he will be exposed to relatively few games and probably not much more relevant coaching at the age of 22 might be counter productive.

It would be quite different if Le Havre was engaged in European competitions which would add between 8 to 20 games (depending on progress).


September 16th, 2010
8:11 am

I love how the Hawks main objective for a big man is “an absolute minimum salary guy”.

ASG: Always doing the minimum.


September 16th, 2010
8:14 am

What is the Hawks game plan for putting together a championship team? Has anyone heard? Does anyone even speak of a Championship team?

No, the Hawks only plan is to keep doing the minimum and hope that lightning strikes and something lucky happens.

Wow, we are curse to pull for a sorry led team.


September 16th, 2010
8:17 am


September 16th, 2010
8:17 am

ooops: genius

Astro Joe

September 16th, 2010
8:57 am

Dwight Howard could use a new agent also. I personally don’t find a maxed out NBA player suing the mother of his kid for $500M appealing. Especially when it is apparantly over stupid stuff. If Howard is so worried about his public image, then manage your ish like a responsible man and stop trying to legally bully your kid’s mom.

Vava, it was an excerpt from the leading sports website (ESPN) and their lead NBA insider (Chad Ford). I generally post articles about the Hawks from the websites that I read… rather I agree with the content or not. It follows my general view on the purpose of these blogs… to exchange opinions. Ford is a very lazy writer when it comes to the Hawks, but I still enjoy reading various perspectives about this team. Thus, my habit of reading several blog posts from people I generally don’t agree with, just because they are discussing a subject that I enjoy… the Atlanta Hawks.


September 16th, 2010
9:24 am


When I post a link or an excerpt from someone’s article/piece/opinion, I voice my own view on what I am posting.

This way I make clear my thoughts and everyone can come and discuss knowing where I stand.

In your case, I am sure that you posted that crap because you agree with it in general. Hence, my rabid attack, first on you and then on the article itself.

The city of ATL and its teams in general* attract incredible bad vibes from everyone in the media and sports businesses.

There is always some underlying viciousness against ATL that I simply can’t understand but as an outsider I feel as being tangible.

* There are punctual exceptions like for instance Simmons penciling in the Falcons as Super Bowl contenders, however, Simmons believes that he has a powerful jinxing effect on his picks, so my guess is that the Falcons will not even get to the playoffs :-D


September 16th, 2010
9:47 am

… and this was a poisoned accolade…

drmaryb (*_*)

September 16th, 2010
11:09 am

Baby Mamma Drama!

Report: Dwight Howard seeking 500M in damages from Baby Mamma

“By Larry Hartstein

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

NBA star Dwight Howard says in court papers the mother of his son has violated their court agreement so many times, she now should pay him $500 million in damages, is reporting.

The celebrity website says Howard is accusing Royce Reed of leaking stories to the media about him at least 11 times, in violation of a gag order. A representative for Reed, who stars on VH1’s “Basketball Wives,” countered that the information originated from  legal documents and thus does not violate the order, according to

Howard, the Atlanta native and Orlando Magic center, and Reed, a former dancer for the Magic and Miami Heat, had a son, Braylon, in November 2007. They have battled over custody arrangements, her participation on the reality show and other issues. Howard’s contract with the Magic pays him $16.5 million a year.”

Now, isn’t there a Rookie Symposium held each year to warn
the players of such pitfalls?

Better yet, aren’t there NBA rules set by precedent that makes
it a violation to fraternize with the teams Dancers?
“Now, I ain’t saying she’s a Gold-Digger – cause’ she got needs.”
-kayne west-

But, has anyone ever heard of condoms or the timing method of
“pulling – out” of your parking space?

I guess, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.

At lest, Mr. Johnson avoided the employees of the Hawks Dance Team
in lieu of the Magic City – lawful variety. One, would have to
question Dwight’s decision making skills off the courts and
in the courts as well.

He can lead himself to a court battle, yes?
But can he lead a team on the basketball court to a Championship?

Having said that, I would welcome him to play for Atlanta and see!

I’m just wondering?
Does Dwight have what it takes to lead a team to The O’Brien
Trophy case?


KevinM responded this way:

“DMB, good stuff….how can you follow that passion?

I just remember DW saying his goal in the NBA was to become the new logo of the NBA. I thought, yes, go to have goals, but I don’t think he is headed in that direction with news like that.”

Enthusiastic Co-Sign and my Satire exactamundo!

-drmaryb Entertainment Reporter-


Astro Joe

September 16th, 2010
11:19 am

vava, I have posted things here that I have not fully agreed with, especially if it provides either a national perspective or a different one than the norm. I offer my opinions on the Hawks, does it really strike you that I am concerned about acceptance of my opinion? Remember, I’m the cold and emotionally deprived one.

If you ever find an article that offers a different opinion than yours (but is still nonetheless insightful), should I assume that you would withhold it from this community of bloggers? And no, Chad Ford is not often insightful, but he is a prominent national voice when it comes to the NBA, and because not all around here have an ESPN insider account, I usually share his Hawks-related content.

Astro Joe

September 16th, 2010
11:24 am

Amen, doc mary. Preach on.

drmaryb (*_*)

September 16th, 2010
12:01 pm

Astro Joe

I do what I can! rof-lol.

Some more shared comments:

Oh Yeah!

And besides Dwight, where in the realm of possibility does
He figure Royce Reed will get 500M dollars from?

After all, isn’t she a dancer?
She does not play Basketball Dwight, She plays Basketball Players!
You Big Dummie!
JSS resonded this way:

“@ Dr Mary B…
It’s the scorched earth policy, make the lawsuit so high in a punitive nature that it scares the hell out of ‘em. It is what Joe Kennedy did when ABC claimed John Kennedy did not write the Pulitzer Prize winning ‘Profiles In Courage.’ He doesn’t want money, he wants to shut her up.”


I responded to JSS:


Yeah man .. I agree with you 100. My take was that he set that
amount to off-set future “Adult Support” payments.
I got that cliche’ from P-Diddy when he complained about paying the
ex-girlfriend who took him back to court to increase
Child Support payments up from 25K per Month.

That was my sarcasm reeking through.
Anyway, I know that story was off the Basketball Topic that
Najeh wants us to shy away from, but one must admitt:

Its boring on the blog and it is entertaining – to say the least.


September 16th, 2010
12:25 pm


If I don’t agree with the contents, then it is clearly not insightful :-D and I won’t repost it. Hey, I am being honest here!

Also, to pay an Insider account to get the privilege to read such a lame, low quality work like that article should make you re-think your spending habits :-)

I find it odd that people often dice Simmons for being a rabid Bostonian, an attention starving freak and a “super light” author/columnist on sports, however, I can tell you, Chad Ford’s knowledge of the game is nowhere near Simmons’.

Simmons may be a comedian/non serious/light columnist, however, he at least tries to construct a logic to back his opinions (of which I disagree sometimes).

That Chad Ford’s article was a lazy, petty venom spewing piece of cr*p. It’s unbelievable that he gets paid to write that since it looked like something truthspitter or JeJe would have written.

I enjoy reading Charlie Rosen (although I think he is slipping a bit) for the technical stuff and Jason Whitlock and Simmons for quality and fun opinion on sports.

Most of the so called experts are pure garbage.


September 16th, 2010
1:25 pm

Simmons may be a comedian/non serious/light columnist, however, he at least tries to construct a logic to back his opinions

Are you talking about the same Bill Simmons I’m thinking of??

Astro Joe

September 16th, 2010
2:35 pm

vava, I think Ford writes from the view of a GM while Simmons more often tries to write as a fan. But I never forget that the first letter in the name of that huge company stands for ENTERTAINMENT.


September 16th, 2010
2:47 pm


Key particle “a” just before Logic.

And his logic is: a) to be fun to read; b) to do it with some care about how he gets it written and with a structure.

I know that Kevin Love is the subject of your “man hate”.

Astro Joe

September 16th, 2010
2:49 pm


September 16th, 2010
2:51 pm


Ford does not write from a GM point of view, writes from the idiot’s point of view.

If he did write from a GM point of view, then it was from an “idiot GM’s” point of view.

Big Ray

September 16th, 2010
8:32 pm

Yeesh….getting a lot of stuff in the spam filter here lately, so if I miss some of the stuff y’all are posting, let me know. I didn’t find any of your comments in the last 60-something spam hits, so I’m assuming everything’s cool.

I think we can agree that how we see a person is an opinion. I think we can also agree that whether or not we agree with what a person has to say, is also an example of an opinion.

However, how we view a person and whether or not we agree with what that person says….is not the same opinion or type of opinion.

Big Ray

September 16th, 2010
8:43 pm

drmaryb ,

Like AJ said, preach on.

Dwight got himself a hot mess there. And as I recall, there are some rules (though perhaps unofficial) in place about players “fraternizing” with team dancers. Same thing in the NFL.

Ehhh, whatever. He’s literally one in a million, unfortunately. As in, there are a million guys making the same type of basic mistake, and then finding themselves in a similar situation. The good news for the woman and her child is that Dwight has the type of money it takes to provide for them both in a way that the average Joe never could. Notice I said “provide”. Because money won’t buy a truly good life.


September 16th, 2010
8:45 pm

The reason I add that little addendum to the question is that buying in during the preseason is a nice concept, having them still buying in come the end of the regular season is a plus, but it matters most that it stays that way through to the end.

I also would honestly not like to hear a frickin’ word out of any player during the playoffs this season short of talking about practice and watching game tape; no references to the tourism of Milwaukee or about Joe having to put up big numbers and being the go-to guy….that kind of nonsense brings about the divisions we saw at the end of the year and puts more pressure on the team than it removes.

Answering number one, I would be interested to see Jeff take the starting role from Bibby, but it will take some serious grit, hustle, and luck to do so short of Mike just not comprehending the schemes we will be implementing…Which is kind of doubtful….

Big Ray

September 16th, 2010
8:45 pm

Vava ,

If I don’t agree with the contents, then it is clearly not insightful .

Are you saying that if somebody says something you don’t agree with, then they lack insight, or what they say lacks insight?

Isn’t that the same thing as stating your opinion as fact? Interesting…

Big Ray

September 16th, 2010
8:50 pm

BrittishAnger ,

Good elaboration, I understand your point more clearly, and I tend to agree with it. Maintaining unity is key. My point was more localized: you can’t maintain what you don’t build, and you have to begin building somewhere. Having said that, you are still quite right – the challenge is in maintaining that unity consistently, most especially during the toughest of times.

Furthermore, perhaps you are even more correct in asserting that the fusion of such unity will come, or not come during the toughest times.

Big Ray

September 16th, 2010
9:00 pm

What makes Simmons more knowledgeable than Ford? Or vice versa? For that matter, what makes any one media source more of an expert than another?

Is it their background? Is it what they are paid to produce? If a person is paid to write sensationalist material viewpoint, does that automatically make them more or less knowledgeable than a person who is paid to write from a whimsical and cynical fan-like viewpoint?

Here is an interesting take on Mr. Chad Ford (dubbed an idiot by some observers), courtesy of Wikipedia:

Chad Ford is an American sports journalist who has worked for ESPN Insider since 2001. He is currently a professor of conflict resolution in Hawaii.

Ford grew up in Kansas City, Missouri. He has a bachelor’s degree in history from Brigham Young University Hawaii, a master’s degree in conflict analysis and resolution from George Mason University, and a Juris Doctor from Georgetown University.

He and a college friend Jason Peery co-founded before it became ESPN Insider, a subscription service to which Ford still contributes. Ford is known for his “insider information” and breaking news on NBA stories, especially regarding the draft, trade rumors, and international basketball. By 2005, more than 300,000 paying Insider subscribers read his daily reports for ESPN.

Ford has traveled the world extensively, having lived in Connecticut, Missouri, North Carolina, California, Hawaii and Washington D.C., and having covered the NBA in Asia, Europe, and Africa. He also did research for the United Nations in Northern Ireland.

Ford surprised many people in the NBA and numerous Insider readers in 2005 when he announced that he was leaving the basketball world to take a position as an assistant professor of international cultural studies for BYU-Hawaii. Ford currently teaches cultural conflict resolution at BYU-Hawaii, does research in sports and conflict, and still contributes regularly to the NBA and draft sections of Insider.

And Bill Simmons (dubbed a moron by others):

William J. “Bill” Simmons III (born September 25, 1969) is a sports columnist, author, and podcaster. He currently writes a column for Page 2 on and is a former writer for ESPN The Magazine. Nicknamed The Sports Guy, formerly The Boston Sports Guy, Simmons gained the attention of ESPN with his web site, which earned him a job offer in 2001.

Since joining ESPN in 2001, in addition to writing for, he has also hosts his own podcast on titled The B.S. Report, appeared as a special contributor on the television series E:60, and serves as an executive producer of ESPN’s documentary project, 30 for 30. He also has written two best-selling books and worked as a writer for Jimmy Kimmel Live!

Simmons is known for his style of writing which is characterized by mixing sports knowledge and analysis, clever prose, pop culture references, his non-sports-related personal life, and for being written from the viewpoint of a passionate sports fan. Simmons also has created numerous internet memes, most notably the Ewing Theory and the Manning Face.

In 2007, he was named the 12th-most influential person in online sports by the Sports Business Journal, the highest position on the list for a non-executive.

And here is a further snippet from the same source:

When Simmons’ first started his website, he wrote what he thought friends would enjoy reading because he never understood how people could be sportswriters while claiming they did not to care which team won, in the name of journalistic objectivity.[19] Since Simmons was writing on the web he figured that “in order to get people to read it, it had to be different from what people got in newspapers and magazines.”[51] He believes his job is not to get into the heads of the players, but into the heads of his readers.[52] One way he gets his readers to come back is to update frequently and to be provocative, so he can get a discussion going among and with his readers.[52] Simmons has stated that he “…will never write a traditional sports column.”[52]

With his column, Simmons aims to speak for,[37] reconnect sportswriting with, and reproduce the experience for the average fan.[23] Simmons’ writing in his columns is characterized by mixing sports knowledge,[15][17] erudite analysis,[17] clever prose,[17] comedy,[53] references to pop culture[15][23][54] including movies and television shows,[55] his non-sports-related personal life, his many fantasy sports teams,[23] video games,[23] and even throwing in a few references to adult video.[25][47] His columns often mention trips to Las Vegas[56] or other gambling venues with his friends, whether it’s at the blackjack table or sports gambling.[23

Big Ray

September 16th, 2010
9:05 pm

Interesting reading. The bottom line. Either you like a media source, or you don’t. Either you agree with what a media source has to say, or you don’t. It’s a free world. In some ways…


September 16th, 2010
11:43 pm