Hawks fans: Welcome Etan, wonder about Al

Old, cheap, and tough.

Sounds like a bag of brand X beef jerky that’s been left out on the counter for over a week. Or maybe it’s just what the doctor ordered for the Atlanta Hawks. Perhaps “old” and “cheap” are not the words one would ideally want to use in describing the Hawks most recent free agent acquisition, but if “tough” still fits, we’ll be happy that Etan Thomas is now aboard. The 6′10″ center/power forward was certainly known for his toughness when he was on the court, prior to all the health problems. Can he regain some semblance of the bruiser and rebounder he used to be, or will he turn out to be another minimum salary vet that is past the point of contribution? We know Etan will work hard, as he has always done. The question is whether or not he’ll work effectively. If he’s effective, he can have a number of positive effects on the Hawks. He could be an upgrade (or a motivation) over Jason Collins, who wasn’t of much use last season. He could also be a perfect practice partner for a group of Hawks big men that needs to learn some toughness, as Hawks center Al Horford has lamented on more than one occasion. Speaking of Al….

 

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The whispers are that the Hawks will be looking to offer Al Horford a contract extension pretty soon. I guess that means Rick Sund is off of vacation now. For a guy who never gets in a hurry, he sure locked Joe Johnson up pretty quick, making us wonder how fast he’ll move with Al. Will he make an offer such as the one Josh Smith got (and turned down) roughly a year before he became a restricted free agent? Or will he get a more serious “We don’t want you to be thinking about anything but remaining a Hawk” type of offer? Big time Hawks fan and avid commenter/blogger Astro Joe pontificates on the subject even further, and writes the following in an email conversation:

“Hey, for all of the debate about offering Horford a contract extension in the next few weeks, how about this… should Al accept a contract extension in the next few weeks?  Al said something to the affect that his teammates quit during the playoffs, should he wait and see if his team plays with more resolve before agreeing to another 4-5 years surrounded by quiters?  How about his request for a center?  Should he sign now and accept that he may be locked into the pivot for 90% of his court time or should he try to leverage his contracts status by demanding someone other than Etan Thomas/Jason Collins?  Does he want to see how his new coach pans out before adding his Juan Hancock to the contract?

 When trying to look through the glasses that Al may be wearing, signing an extension now may not be automatic.  Sure, if he waits until the new CBA kicks in, he may lose some millions.  But would shaving some money off the contract be worth it to know that you are signing a long-term deal with a team that is well positioned to advance deep into the playoffs during the life of that contract?” 
Hmmmm. Legit questions, I say. More than anything, I recognize Al Horford as being a leader. But would this team recognize him as such, and accept it? If so, then Al’s winning attitude, work ethic, and sense of responsibility may win over. Of course, he may want to dip his toes in the water at training camp and see just how serious guys are about getting better and winning. If they clown and play around like they used to, then that could say two things:
 
1) The roster and the mindset have something in common – very little change, which means little change in results.
 
2) Larry Drew is not the man for the job.
 
Or would those two conclusive statements be too extreme? Nobody really knows what Al Horford is thinking right now, when the Hawks will make a push to extend him, or how he will respond. What we do know, based on what Al has been quotes as saying, is that he’s determined to get out there, compete, and win. The continuing echo of his insistence on a need for added toughness on this Hawks team still sparks debate on who he blames for the void in that area: teammates or front office? If we’re lucky, and the Hawks toughen up soon, we’ll never know. However, if they don’t….Horford will probably make his displeasure known, and specify his targets. Even if he does so with class. A true leader can’t be silent or overly diplomatic/tactful forever.
 
Of course, that isn’t the entire story. What is Al himself willing to do to meet his own demands? How tough is he going to be out on the court? Does he not have room for growth in this area? In the meantime, let’s hope that Etan Thomas lights multiple fires in the paint for the Hawks, both in practice, and in games.

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BrittishAnger

September 3rd, 2010
4:14 am

wordsmithtom

September 3rd, 2010
5:00 am

Well, we got a goon. :) Mr. Etan, sir.

Etan + Powell vs. Smith + RandMo. No contest, upgrades in both spots. We haven’t seen Powell, but he has a ring, an attitude, and youth vs Smith’s diminishing hops. Powell is a quality practice guy. Etan will bring inside help and even a ham sandwich would be an upgrade over RandMo. Classic case of too much handed to a young guy who doesn’t add to it. He came out of high school = Josh and Howard, starred at Kentucky one year then just quit working. Maybe having to ride a bus in D league will wake him up; somehow I doubt it.

Jamal remains the question mark. With JC2 and potential add of Sy, Horford to sigh, and his trade value at a premium due to 6th man of year award, I suspect a trade will be forthcoming. Mo can mop up his minutes until JC2 comes around. I expect a 3 or a high draft pick.

vava74

September 3rd, 2010
6:21 am

Annoying fact:

Pape Sy is listed:

1,90cm (6′3”) on one of the official French Basketball League internet sites (which is probably waaay wrong)
1,95cm (6′4 3/4”) on several sites, including the Le Havre Site, Eurosport channel site, …
1,98cm (6′6”) on another official French Basketball League internet site (beats me why there are two)
1,99cm (6′6 1/2) on wikipedia – by consultation of the L’Equipe newspaper (huge in France).

I believe that players are measured barefeet in europe, so the above should translate with sneakers to 6′5” 3/4 in the worst case scenario and to 6′7” 1/2 in the best case scenario.

The former would not allow us to believe that he could handle the SF duties effectively just like Mo and the latter would.

Why is there so much uncertainty about sizes when in sports stats are so highly regarded?

Mandatory bare feet measurements on all players should be done throughout the NBA every year until the players turn at least 24.

vava74

September 3rd, 2010
6:27 am

On Al,

The Hawks should offer him a deal similar to Josh but a little higher in order not to get Josh jealous and to keep spending levels reasonably under control.

5 years 65 million is just about right in my opinion since it would be very close as well to what we gave JJ during his first contract so the values could be correctly framed:

- better than Josh;
- just under what JJ got when he was at more or less the same career level (pre-all star – just recently selected).

Strong arguments can be:

- if Al wants more help down low next year, we need some cap space (or pre-luxury tax space);
- new CBA could turn things hugly if he waits since next years free agent class could be faced with a bitter cash strapped summer.

vava74

September 3rd, 2010
6:43 am

doc,

I disagree that Bibby is a worse defender than Jamal.

Jamal has the legs but does not know anything about D.

Bibby doesn’t have the legs but knows about D, as nire has correctly pointed out several times, Bibby has the fundamentals and knows where to position himself in order to TRY to get the opposing player to go for his weaker hand, worst spot or into the help defense.

Bibby’s shooting % was much higher than Jamal in the clutch.

As for Marvin’s positioning having to push Josh out of the box, I believe you are wrong again.

Our main problem was against zone defenses.

To play against a zone defense, one of the most effective strategies is to place your C on the high post (around the FT line), pass him the ball, attract the defense and have the PF and SF cut and slash through the paint looking for a back door pass whilst keeping the SG and the PG in the elbows, just outside the 3 point line waiting for an outlet pass when the D leaves them open whilst shifting to the guy with the rock (usually on the opposing side).

We had the personnel to do this:

Al is a good and willing passer AND his now an effective shooter from the high post which means that defenses (either a C or a PF) would be forced to come out to him since he can easily shoot over most guards.

Josh and Marvin are both fast and athletic and in particular Marvin is a pretty decent finisher when catching on the move in the box slashing diagonally and Josh is Josh unpredictably good or bad but extremely difficult to stop when moving or jumping with a bit of space.

Both JJ and Bibby are good enough passers and good enough 3 point shooters in order to allow them to, as an alternative to the above, work with Al with give and go and pick and roll plays if the zone D suddenly turned man to man as it sometimes happens.

O'Brien

September 3rd, 2010
7:34 am

Vava,

I was thinking 5 years, $65 mil too.

But AJ raises a good point. If you’re Al, who’s been fairly healthy for his career, would you sign an extension when its not the max?

Who knows what to expect from Drew? Maybe Al gets tired of playing Center full time. Who knows what to expect from the team? Why not wait and see?

Sure, he might lose money when the new CBA kicks in, but at least he could explore his options.

Ray,

The key for Etan Thomas is can he stay healthy.

vava74

September 3rd, 2010
8:22 am

OB,

Looking at the current “climate” and the way rosters and respective cap spaces are currently organized and the incoming CBA, I think that there will be very few candidates (if any) to offer 80 million for Horford.

Everyone likes him, however, NO ONE considers him to be (or have the potential to be) a dominant/quasi-dominant player (first offensive option or a very good all round which is specifically gifted player in one major area like for instants assists, rebounds or blocks*).

* If Al averaged 15ppg 11reb AND 5 bpg he would attract that interest or if he averaged 15ppg AND 15rpg.

So, my guess is that even if he hits free agency he will not get more than 5 years 70 million anywhere or at least any candidates who might will not have any advantage in franchise success and roster composition over the Hawks.

Also, I think that Al is, character wise, a one team for life type of guy, provided that we treat him fairly. 5 – 65 is fair and he will be 30 years old when the contract finishes. Barring any injury he should still have at least 3 or 4 good years ahead of him and by then a seasoned and polished blue collar Al with continue to attract major $$.

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
8:30 am

vava, the height measurements of American basketball players isn’t too much better. At least it wasn’t, it probably only improved because media outlets pull from the same central source. But heaven knows that the height listings of guys like Barkley and Olajuwon were known falsehoods. Mo Evans played back-up SF at 6′5″, I’m guessing Sy is in the same ballpark.

OB, I’m not saying that Al may demand a max contract, I’m wondering if Al will wait and see if he has a legit shot at making a deeper run in the playoffs over the next 3-4 years. Would any of us put up a mortgage payment that the Hawks will get beyond the 2nd round of the playoffs in the next half decade? That would require defeating or becoming one of the conference’s top 2 teams. I love my Hawks, but no way I would place that bet. Maybe Al decides now what others seem to decide AFTER their first big contract, winning wins.

Tha Real Hawk

September 3rd, 2010
8:39 am

I am always amazed at posters who profess to know the minds of others.
Exactly who has been contacted and said what they would NOT offer Al in a contract?
Did these same contacts say they would play Al out of position year after year?
When did Al say anything to anyone about being a “one team for life” guy? Ask Cleveland about how that’s working out for them.
It’s a business. You don’t give home-town discounts. You go where you are appreciated and paid.
The Hawks don’t pay unless there is a gun to their heads. Not a way to run a business.

i_am_soulstar

September 3rd, 2010
8:42 am

What is Al doing to make himself more effective against Dwight? He doesn’t seem like that type of guy that always looks outward for solutions instead of inward. I hope he’s doing what’s necessary to become more mentally and physically tough. If there’s only one guy in the league that dominates you in your position, that’s not the worst thing in the world. But if were me, I’d spend at least a quarter of my offseason studying that opponent, getting my Lex Luthor on, and finding his kryptonite.

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
8:52 am

Al’s best month last season was around 16 points & 11 boards in March. The question with just about any player is less about “can they do more” and more about can they do more on an elite team. Jamal could score 25 per game but it will likely be for a 25 win team. Al may be a 20/10 player on a 35 win team but I’m not sure he gets there on a 50 win team. Bogut’s extension was 5/$60M and LaMarcus Aldridge was 5/$65M. If we can get Al to that type of deal, I think that would be great.

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
8:59 am

soulstar, yeah, but I seem to recall that Olajuwon typically beat down David Robinson back in the day. Sometimes, you just happen to have the best center in your division while you are a top 5 center yourself. If Al is the best center on the floor for 72+ games next season, can we really complain about not being physically/mentally tough? At some point, your co-workers need to step up… if Superman can’t be beat, then take out all of his teammates (Rashard, Jameer, Vince) instead.

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Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
10:59 am

A BRUISER. When Derrick Rose penetrates the lane, can Etan leave a bruise? When Joe is running John Salmons off of an Etan-set screen, will Salmons leave the encounter with a bruise (and no offensive foul called)?

That’s all I need Etan to do. Administer at least 2 bruises every time he enters a game. If he does that, he would be worth his weight in Krispy Kreme donuts.

Fundamentals

September 3rd, 2010
12:19 pm

Guess I won’t give my 2 cents on what Al might be thinking cause I don’t have any way to verify it with Al’s neurologist? Settle down dude, it’s a BLOG. That means all this crap is IMHO!

To me, and only me, I do agree Al likes the idea of playing for one team. He has great loyalty. He demands respect, he demands hard work. He wants to win. Can we do that for him here? Remains to be seen.

If I were Al I’d wait to sign. I’d talk to Crawford about his thoughts on a future with ATL, I’d talk to Joe about potential restructuring. I’d make sure Marvin finds his niche or a new home. I’d look for the best way to improve and build this team. I’d then present a unified front of TEAM basketball that shows other players we’re almost there, we just need 1-2 pieces. Essentially changing the culture of BK/Sund/ASG/Woody Ball we’ve got going here. Show we’re all here to work hard and give our all. Whether that’s 42 wins or 62 it doesn’t matter. It’s all in how you play the game. We play soft, timid, finger-pointing basketball. We need to just lay it out there and lose with honor and dignity. Not with excuses.

Al’s going to get his money. He seems to be intelligent enough to manage it well. He seems to be in it to win. Signing a huge deal only limits that ability…as Joe will learn. Hopefully Joe will decide to restructure his deal to allow flexibility. Only then can we win, when we’re all in it for the best team possible. Maybe he would for the right situation? Maybe not?

Of course, it’s still the NBA so you can guarantee folks are gonna want to get paid, and then complain later about not having the tools to win.

Big Ray

September 3rd, 2010
12:19 pm

Vava ,

Even Dwight Howard doesn’t average 5 bpg, or 15 rpg. In fact, who does?

I am soulstar ,

Love the Lex Luthor/Kryptonite analogy.

Big Ray

September 3rd, 2010
12:23 pm

Fundamentals ,

Something tells me Joe is not about to restructure a damn thing. He got his gigantic payday, and he’ll keep it, win or lose on the court.

Changing the culture from within is a wonderful idea, I agree. But if it falls to a guy like Al Horford to get this done, be prepared for epic fail. He can only do so much. He can influence and persuade teammates, I believe that. But coaching is coaching, the front office is the front office, and ownership is ownership. Hate to be the rain on that parade, but no way am I going to expect Al to change all of that .

niremetal

September 3rd, 2010
12:28 pm

I don’t give a damn about Dwight’s kryptonite. I give a damn about the Magic’s kryptonite. And that kryptonite is forcing Dwight Howard to carry the scoring load. Dwight will not score 50 points in a game. He will not beat any team singlehandedly. The Bobcats shut him down as much as any team could and got swept. The Celtics let him get his and focused on shutting his teammates down, and they crushed the Magic.

Obsessing about Dwight was Woody’s mentality. It was wrong.q

Fundamentals

September 3rd, 2010
12:38 pm

Big Ray,

I tend to feel like we’re so close, so close to what we need. I’m praying LD, Powell & Etan can help change some of the culture. Light a fire and put some desire to win in our team. We play AWESOME team ball some nights and it’s absolutely unbeatable! Days later we diverge back to give me my paycheck and I’ll go home grumpy ball:(. Why tease me if you don’t want to back it up? That’s my thoughts every time. It’s about professionalism and heart. Sometimes we just don’t have it.

I’ll agree Joe locked himself up in a self centered deal that may haunt him, but he has 120+ million reasons to smile when he goes to sleep at night. He did alot for us, I respect him for that, but not trying/offereing to restructure for the right FA aquisition is just selfish. Has he been presented with that situation and refused? Probably not. I guess he figures if ASG wants to win, they can up our team salaries 20 million to compete with the teams that beat us. In that sense it’s only fair. I haven’t looked at it that way in my posts, but it’s the counter argument to my point.

I’m looking forward to the season. I’m still of the feeling our roster is somewhat unbalanced. We’ve got 1/2 the team w/ SG or PF/C next to their name. That limits us at PG, SF and C. Leaves us one injury away from disaster. Leaves us very vulnerable come playoff time. Maybe LD can sort it out. Maybe he can make it work.

I’ll be watching every game. I’ll support them 100%. Maybe, just maybe this is the year! Been saying it since ~ 82 and it hasn’t happened yet, but I got some good memories!

Fundamentals

September 3rd, 2010
12:40 pm

I felt like we should’ve played Dwight straight up and let it ride. We switched and doubled till we left Jameer & every 3 pt shooter open while not containing Dwight.

The Real JC

September 3rd, 2010
12:50 pm

@Astro Joe – so if a Krispy Kreme doughnut weighs approximately 2 ounces, it means a dozen weighs 1.5 pounds. Etan Thomas weighs 260 lbs., roughly 173 dozen Krispy Kreme doughnuts, or 2,076 Krispy Kreme doughnuts. And if a dozen runs for about $6 (prices and participation vary), that means Etan Thomas is worth $1,038.

I’m pretty sure this is how lineman’s contracts are calculated.

O'Brien

September 3rd, 2010
1:06 pm

nire, Fundamentals,

I never understood why most of us casual fans would have played Dwight one on one, and stay at home on the shooters, but yet Woody didnt see it that way.

I should not be surprised though, because Woody was not good at game planning and making adjustments. He should have let LD handle the offense, and he (Woody) could have handled the defense.

vava,

If Al chooses not to sign an extension, I dont think it will be because he thinks he might get more money on the market. I think it will be because he wants to explore all his options.

As for JJ, I wish he would have told ownership that he would sign for less than the max (6 years, $108 mil maybe).

But I dont blame him, because there is no guarantee that the ASG would have used the difference to upgrade the team on the court.

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
1:07 pm

The Real JC, okay, then how about his weight in caviar?

doc

September 3rd, 2010
1:17 pm

vava, enjoyed the back and forth, really good thoughts and observations. will choose to agree to disagree and leave it at that. ;-)

anyway, it is going to be fun to see how LD sorts it out and puts it all into action and for that i am excited about the upcoming season and look forward to camp opening. not too may more weeks of canniblogging to keep it interesting and keep this site open.

o’b how would having woody at the helm on defense have changed anything with orlando? dont really understand your point above.

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
1:26 pm

Why would Joe accept $3M less per year? Because of the certainty that the ASG would take that cap space and use it on a player? That’s laughable. Joe did NOT need to feel compelled to “give the ASG a break”. NBA owners are supposed to be able to field a conference finals level team AND have 1 (or more) max player. A GM is supposed to be able to structure contracts to allow for cap flexibility. It isn’t the player’s responsibility to mange the team’s roster construction (unless you’re a member of Miam’s Dreamgirls).

vava74

September 3rd, 2010
1:33 pm

niremetal
September 3rd, 2010
12:28 pm

Co-sign! This Howard obsession is freaking tiring!!!!

vava74

September 3rd, 2010
1:37 pm

doc,

I enjoyed it too in an annoyingly fun way :-D

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
1:43 pm

Well, I think it is safe to say that Drew won’t be obsessed with any defensive issue.

Big Ray

September 3rd, 2010
2:05 pm

Fundamentals ,

I hear what you’re saying. And really, that’s all you can hope for, because that is what the front office has given you – LD, Etan, and Powell…that’s different from last year.

I would like to think we are “that close” as well. The proof will be in the pudding, as they say. If this team does much better things from game to game (consistency, focus, defense, finishing games, playing tough), then we’ll know if we’re truly “that close” to being an elite team. Or….that we’re not.

As for Joe’s contract. Well, I really don’t want to get into that conversation, LOL. It can go 50 million different ways, all of them pretty heated.

AJ ,

True. Let’s hope for the team’s sake, however, that his right hand man Lester Connor is as obsessed with a good defense as Drew is with a good offense. If he gets after things (and players, for that matter) in a way that a guy like Tom Thibodeau or Scott Skiles has, then we’ll be in better position.

That’s my thing with Drew. I’m hoping his pick of Connor was a business decision to bring in a guy who can concentrate and specialize in something that he may be less capable or enthused about. That was something that former coach Jeff Van Gundy (I think) said: “You hire guys that are better than you.” I hope that’s why Drew hired Connor. Because he’s better than him at defensive concepts. Not because he’s a pal. We don’t need anymore of that type of BS.

Big Ray

September 3rd, 2010
2:10 pm

O’brien ,

I agree. Salary restructuring is for a team that has shown and is promising to make dynamic roster adjustments. I won’t pretend to know the details of any and every situation in which a player has decided to restructure their salary or take less…but I know that in each case, there was an owner and front office guy who had intentions of making a serious move with the extra cash. I don’t really like Mark Cuban all that much, but if he told Dirk Nowitzki that taking less cash would help him build a better team, I believe him. In fact, I would believe him EVERY SINGLE TIME. The guy may not be a genius in basketball business, but he lacks neither the money nor the cajones to make bold moves.

Stupid is stupid. But cheap stupid always looks worse than rich stupid. Except for maybe in the case of the Knicks…. :lol:

niremetal

September 3rd, 2010
2:20 pm

Well, I think it is safe to say that Drew won’t be obsessed with any defensive issue.

Why?

doc

September 3rd, 2010
2:29 pm

Vava it is always annoying to have someone disagree. Heh heh

The Real JC

September 3rd, 2010
2:34 pm

@Astro – let’s see: Imported Osetra Imperial 16oz. = $3120.00 x 260 lbs. = $811,200. Still nearly half a mil shy of what he’s getting ($1,223,166).

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
2:35 pm

Ray, I think each time a player took less, they had proven history on their side, that the money would be used (like your Cuban example… no, not Fidal, Mark). Heck, we even saw it here in Atlanta with Chipper Jones a few years back. But the front office/owners needs to show proof, not just intent. I don’t think that you ask the player to make the first sacrificial move… I think the owners need to first show the commitment. I also recall a story that Joe was told in 2005 that the Hawks would continue to build and he wouldn’t be the last experienced piece added. Of course, who knew that the owners would spend more time in the court system than Lindsey Lohan. I’m of the opinion that Joe’s agent believed they would spend some/all of the MLE when he made that ridiculous “Joe will recruit” comment. How much did the subsequent Hawks FAs sign for after Joe’s signature was dry? Oh yeah, minimum wages… yeah, Joe was supposed to convince Adonal Foyle not to retire I guess. Chill? Sold. #31? Sold. MLE? Locked away in Gearon’s sock drawer. And Joe is supposed to hand over dough to this ownership group? Child plase.

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
2:39 pm

The Real JC, but closer to what the ASG are spending on him. The NBA picks up the rest.

nire, I haven’t heard much from Drew about his defense. I get the feeling that he has spent a decade thinking of the offense he would run if given the head coaching chair. And maybe 10 minutes thinking about defense. We have a PhD level offense being taught to the coaching staff last month while not reading/hearing a word about the defense (other than guard your man or else). Color me skeptical that Drew will obsess about defensive issues.

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
2:49 pm

Ray, I hope. I had gone so far as to speculate that maybe Drew would bring in Michael Cooper as his lead assistant… of course, that was before I learned that Coop is the Lady Trojans head coach at USC. But I was thinking of a defensive guru who would have the gravitas to teach defense while having a linkage to Drew (I assumed they played together for the Lakers). I, too, hope that Lester Connor provides that defensive genius AND that Drew gives him the freedom to manage the D like Doc did with Thibadeaux.

Excuse the football analogy, but Woody preferred a run-control offense, few turnovers, efficient use of the possessions, keep the ball in the play-makers hands. Drew appears to be ready to launch a “Greatest Show on Turf” offense. Wide open. Fun. Every player can score from any place on the field. But that will surely increase turnovers and force better transition defense.

Like doc said, it will be interesting and fun to watch this team evolve in the coming months.

Fundamentals

September 3rd, 2010
2:49 pm

Just holding each player accountable on defense and only switching or helping when necessary would’ve worked but our perimeter just let guys walk past like they were looking forward to the “switching” so they wouldn’t have to play defense. It was laughable last season at times the lack of effort our team put up. Almost always leaving Horford in a bad situation or Smoove fouling and complaining…mostly b/c he was sick of “helping” in the “switching” defense. Switching became an excuse to let your man pass EASILY!

niremetal

September 3rd, 2010
2:52 pm

By that evidence, Obama must never think about the budget deficit. After all, he never holds press conferences devoted to it. So obviously, he must never think about it. Nevermind that he has an entire office whose sole job is figuring out how to make his proposals fit within the federal budget and whose director he meets with almost every day. That can’t possibly matter. Kinda like Drew’s lead assistant hire being a defensive specialist can’t possibly matter. What matters is AJ’s perception of the number of stories in print that talk about Drew’s ruminations on defense. Yup, makes a lot of sense.

Color me skeptical that you didn’t have your mind made up about Drew the moment he was hired.

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
3:11 pm

nire, you asked for the bases of my opinion and I gave it to you. Here’s more. We read about Drew’s interview and how we used players and Ty Hill to demonstrate his offensive philosophy. I missed the part about defense. In his presser, he talks about Josh being close to the goal, I missed the mention about Josh taking the next step and becoming the DPOY. We read about how Joe needs to buy into playing in an offense that won’t be iso heavy… where was the quote about defensive changes? Fast forward to draft night, and (possibly with some input from the new coach) we select a player with considerable offensive tools and not a single word about his ability to defend the perimeter. Move forward to the summer league, where the team is designed around Teague and allowing the youngster to develop as a floor leader. If I missed the defensive emphasis during that period, let me know. The next time we read much about Drew, it is during a summit where he is teaching his staff about his pentangle offense. Maybe they covered defense in another setting and MC was told.

So at best I can assume that he is interested in defense just because it is a two-sided game. But if you can’t see where my perception is drawn that he is acutely focused on offense, well, I can’t help you.

And BTW, I think that there are a few million Americans who would question the POTUS’ focus on the budget deficit.

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
3:13 pm

But Drew does like Pape Sy for his aggressive defense. So maybe that off-sets everything else related to offense, huh?

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
3:16 pm

and MC wasn’t told.

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
3:20 pm

I missed this before:

Kinda like Drew’s lead assistant hire being a defensive specialist can’t possibly matter.

Now before I comment, if I take a quote from a statement and comment on that specific quote, does that fall under the straw man argument? I see Sautee come on here and say something like “About this….” and pull out a quote but he is never accused of straw man arguments.

So before I pick my teeth with the above, please advise on the proper blog etiquette.

doc

September 3rd, 2010
3:25 pm

aj … Excuse the football analogy, but Woody preferred a run-control offense, few turnovers, efficient use of the possessions, keep the ball in the play-makers hands.

i will excuse it, only to say you stole it from me, as i have been using it since december or before. ;-)

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
3:26 pm

doc, that akes me a liar AND a thief. My bad! :oops:

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
3:27 pm

that makes…

and a piss poor typist, too.

The Real JC

September 3rd, 2010
3:43 pm

So Joe Johnson is actually worth 798 pounds of gold this year, by the way. He’ll be making a half-ton of it annually starting 2013-14 season. By contrast, I’ll be making a little less than two and a half pounds of gold this year.

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
3:46 pm

The Real JC, HA! Dude, you are dangerous with a calculator.

Big Ray

September 3rd, 2010
4:03 pm

ROFLMBBAO…..AJ is on fire. And y’all can guess what that acronym stands for (some of you won’t have to) ;)

doc

September 3rd, 2010
4:16 pm

is Big in there somewhere ray?

Astro Joe

September 3rd, 2010
4:28 pm

Ray, just being cold and emotion deprived.