Growing From Within

Seriously Idle Speculation

If you’re a Hawks fan, do you even care anymore about the team signing another player? All the noise and fanfare is pretty much done for Atlanta’s offseason it seems, even though most sources who care to mention it insist that another big man will be signed to meet the roster minimum. Most us probably met today’s announced Kwame Brown Bobcats signing with a huge yawn, and went right back to what we were doing.

Except for the idle speculation that comes from it. As some of you have already noted, if the Bobcats signed Brown….might they be parting ways with veteran center Erik Dampier? And if so, might the Hawks make a run at him? Ok, let me rephrase that. Might the Hawks make a serious run at Dampier? Of course, one of the first questions that has to be asked is whether or not Dampier is willing to play for the veteran minimum, and if he’s okay with doing that in Atlanta. Well, Hawks fans, what of it?


Changing the Culture

I’ll bet you’re about ready to scream if you hear one more thing about this team’s core, organic growth, or other similar but outplayed two word phrases. Well, I’m afraid we just can’t escape that, at least not for now. For all the talk of changes, big or small, there just haven’t been many. At least not in the ways that many people sought.

So how do you go about changing the results of a team that mostly brings back exactly what it had roster-wise, the previous season? How much culture change can be expected of a coaching staff that is also largely the same? Only two names have changed on the coaching staff, and they would be Lester Conner and Kenny Gattison. The head coach spot is different rather than new, so what are we supposed to think? A change in philosophy is pretty obvious, but what it means in the end is anybody’s guess. Maybe these changes in coaching staff are going to have far more fundamental difference and impact than we suppose. Maybe our cynical viewpoints are off base. We shall see.

This still has nothing to do with the roster, which boasts one new member in backup power forward Josh Powell. Since there wasn’t a problem production and locker-room wise with the former backup power forward, can we even call this a significant change? Not likely. This puts things right back on the coaching staff, with one exception. The culture among the players. Now, these guys have been a classy bunch, staying out of trouble and what not, but that has not always added up to the cohesion needed to face adversity.

The Hawks lack strong leadership, plain and simple. Yet, there is no change to the roster that would improve this, forcing the growth in that area to come from within. Who should make the first move here? Don’t players vote who the team captain is, or is that left to the coaching staff? Either way, something has to change. The most obvious thing to me is that Joe Johnson need not be sole team captain anymore. Let’s examine this idea for a second.

Clearly kicking the man out of the spot is not the greatest of ideas. The Hawks built this team around him, and then just handed him the richest contract in the league for this offseason. Of course, just because a guy is highest paid, doesn’t mean he should be team captain. But this IS the role Joe has played for some time. But, he needs some help. Maybe more than just a little. Joe is a pro, there is little or no doubt of that. Yet he should not have this responsibility all to himself. And so, I nominate Al Horford as my fan’s choice as co-team captain. Horford may only be a fourth year player coming into this season, but so what? The man came from a great winning atmosphere and background from the University of Florida (hard to ignore back-to-back national titles), and he seems more focused and motivated than many of his teammates. He has the fire in his belly. He has the IQ, the learning ability, the developing skills. And he has the stones to get into a teammate’s face, I believe.

So what do you think? Can the Hawks change the culture from within by restructuring their on court and locker room leadership, or is it truly all on the coaching staff? Should there be a co-captain alongside Joe Johnson? Should Johnson be replaced as team captain? If you don’t like the idea of “The Boss” being a co-team captain, then who would you like to see take that spot?

104 comments Add your comment


August 23rd, 2010
8:12 pm

they havent done anything worthwhile yet why expect miracles


August 23rd, 2010
8:17 pm

i wished that jj would take a walk off of a short pier


August 23rd, 2010
8:22 pm

Whatever my opinion is worth I second that nomination. Im not mad at our organization even though i feel I have every right to be for constantly shooting down their own team and fans. We should be elite by now but I digress. Does anyone else think this Jordan Crawford ki is really something special? Just saw his 9 minute highlight tape and its AMAZING


August 23rd, 2010
8:37 pm

it is what it is.


August 23rd, 2010
8:51 pm

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August 23rd, 2010
9:49 pm

And yeah – Horford should be named co-captain. If I were king for a day, I would name Horford sole captain or at least ask JJ if he actually wanted to continue in his capacity as captain (I suspect he might be relieved to step aside and not have to walk around with a C on his chest anymore).


August 23rd, 2010
9:56 pm

I can’t say I’m super excited interested in who we will pick to fill this final spot, and I’ve got bets split between another return to ‘Rio or whether Le Havre will let Pape come and ride the bench with us this year. I totally yawned at the Kwame posting on my Roto feed this morning, since it was obvious weeks ago that he wasn’t coming here (and thank Dobbs for that).

I’m with niremetal on his Rey for a Day suggestion to give that Captain title to Al, though I’ve obviously written that on a couple of article posts. He deserves a shot at it, and given his P.R. skills compared to those of J.J., I would make that appointment any day if I were Emperor of Atlantaland….


August 24th, 2010
2:10 am

JJ may be a lot of things, but a leader he’s not. The big problem being in the NBA the man with the highest salary is the leader by default. JJ would have to truly embrace the idea for it to work. Also, it’s going to be interesting to see if the players really buy into Drew’s new system. If they don’t, Larry’s lost them from the get go…

Big Ray

August 24th, 2010
3:03 am

Niremetal ,

Had to laugh at the youtube reference. :lol:

Ed ,

Larry Drew’s promotion is one of huge scape goat risk. What with the roster changes being kept to absolute bare minimum (literally), whether the guys buy into what he is selling is pretty much what everything is hinging on. Thing is, Drew may have made that bed by convincing the powers that be, that he could get what is needed out of what they already have.

Big Ray

August 24th, 2010
3:06 am

BrittishAnger ,

While I share your lack of excitement about the final roster spot, even if it makes for very idle “discussion” (translation: fruitless argument :) ), I hope like heck that it’s not another trip down sentimental lane with Mario West.

I have nothing at all against Mario personally. Maybe we can lump him into the category of “misused by Woody” that is so popular these days (not saying that some of it isn’t true, mind you). Or maybe he’s really only just good in spot minutes. If I was going to use that spot on a guy who won’t get to play more than 100 minutes for the whole season….why not Pape Sy?

Big Ray

August 24th, 2010
3:11 am

Mateo ,

Jordan Crawford definitely has some skills. At the same time, Jeff Teague was quite the dynamo in college. Having said that, Crawford seems to me like a guy who has more aggression and confidence. I don’t think you’d have to tell him to be assertive, you’d have to tell him to not take every shot he likes.

Considering how we’ve fared with draft picks that seem to have aggession issues at times (Marvin Williams, Acie Law, Jeff Teague) for various reasons (yes, Woodson is a popular alibi here), I’m about ready for a rook that has to be told NOT to try and score as much. I guess you could have counted Josh Smith in that category, but the difference is that Jordan can actually shoot from anywhere on the court. Josh can’t.

Rusty ,

If I’d just been handed a piece of paper that says I’m guaranteed to get $124 million over the next handful of years, I’d be walking on AIR, not off a short pier….


August 24th, 2010
3:41 am


Teague came out of College as aggressive as Crawford seems to have.

He played great during pre-season, dunked on Odom in LA while helping us get back into the game…

And then Woody worked his wonders: getting him to “come along slowly”…

Big Daddy

August 24th, 2010
5:36 am

I hope the Hawks don’t go after Dampier. I don’t think he has been more than a journeyman once he left Dallas. I believe they were disappointed in him after they got him from Golden State. He always seem that slow trudging big center to me. If the team will bring a real uptempo game to the arena, as they have indicated, they need someone who can run with them and still have a low post presence when the team goes into a half court offense.

JJ is so laid back that I agree with your accessment of having Al as co-captain. He bring a lot of energy and controlled emotion to the game. Having him as captain I can see him talking to referees without getting a technical and keeping a team member in check when he needs to.

One thought I had was a set where Joe is in at small forward, with either JC or JC2 at the SG. With Teague or Bibby at the point. Joe is quick enough and big enough to play at the 3 spot and can shoot outside. With the aggressiveness that JC2 showed in summer league, if that transfers in training camp and pre-season then that might work. Not necessarily as a mainstay but definitely as the speed team. I was living in Charlotte when the Hornets had Kenny Gattison as their center. He may be able to give Al some pointers on being an undersized center. Thanks for the insights BR


August 24th, 2010
7:57 am


“As for chemistry, mental toughness and leadership, Drew said part of his job will be to set expectations in those areas and help them bring out those qualities. ” – MC .

The ASG have put all their eggs in Drew’s basket with the belief that between him and his coaching staff, they will cure all Chemistry issues.

I hope Drew is able to get more out of JJ (captain due to talent and contract), and Horford (who seems to have the leadership required).

As for Teague, I agree with vava. He was very aggressive in Wake Forest (dunking on people, taking big shots), and he was more agrresive earlier in the season.

But he would get pulled early if he made a couple mistakes, so he seemed to lose his aggressiveness and confidence, which might have affected his shooting too. Not to mention his sporadic minutes.

However, Drew will give him every opportunity to succeed. So there are no more excuses for Teague. If he wants it, he has to go get it.


August 24th, 2010
8:30 am

Teague’s words during the summer league were a clear indication that he may have been deeply scarred by Woody.

The minute he had a bad game with the SA journeyman PG giving him fits he lost his confidence and talked about stepping aside and just dumping the ball to JJ or any of the other “senior” players which was exactly what Woody asked him to do whenever he got any minutes.

He should have said the precise opposite: yes, it was a bad game but he would continue to work and he would be fine.

Fortunately his next games went a lot better.

I still think that the benchmark for his talent assessment was the last game of the season against Cleveland.

Some say that that was only a pickup game disguised as an NBA game abut I saw effort from Delonte West, Anthony Parker and even Varejão and Jamison and even so Teague gave them the fits balling and getting other involved as well.

Astro Joe

August 24th, 2010
9:16 am

Why not let the players select the team captains? That would seem to be the better way to create a culture of “team first”, by the coach stepping back and letting the players make that decision.

vava, out of curiosity, how long will you use the “Teague was traumatized by Woody” excuse? It’s likely been 3 months since Woody last uttered a word to Teague. So will tha trauma stop after 5 months? 8 months? Or should we start wrapping coins so we can hire a sports psychologist for him?

Astro Joe

August 24th, 2010
9:18 am

Poor baby waby, did the big bald man say that you suck? No, no, don’t cry. It’ll be all better. Uncle Larry is here now. The boogie man go bye-bye.

Astro Joe

August 24th, 2010
9:22 am

MC’s article about SAMENESS was a very nice way of putting the off-season into the Homer Simpson category of DOH! And like OB says above, it pretty much puts any improvement at the feet of Larry Drew. Hopefully, Drew pushes some of that off to the players, starting with allowing them to name their captain(s) and then listening and respecting the leader they chose.

drmaryb (*_*)

August 24th, 2010
9:46 am

Intestinal Fortitude!

I guess the Hawks are going to grow some gastro-intestinal bacteria flora to fight off the Super-Friends Virus next season.

There is no known vaccine to kill that bug yet – we haven’t seen the nature of the beast, nor do we know the side effects of being penetrated.

But, I can tell you this much, the competition bug has mutated itself and is stronger than ever!

Astro Joe

August 24th, 2010
9:47 am

The previous coach put a premium on low turnovers from his PG. And that likely meant that young PGs had their aggression ramped down so that they could play within the scheme. The new coach is installing an offense that wil likely be superior but will also generate more turnovers. So it will be interesting to see how the team responds, because they will have to spend more time running back to defend against fast breaks from the opposing team. Drew will need to keep them fresh by uitilizing the bench and keep them encouraged if things don;t go swimingly from the beginning. One of my biggest concerns is that this team hasn’t always responded well when they have been punched in the stomach. They responded well from game-to-game but they didn’t always show intra-game resiliency. That’s where a lack of player leadership has hurt the team (IMO). I REALLY hope that something is done to address that issue AND the players buy-in.

As Frederick Douglass once said, “there is no progress without a struggle”. Can these guys endure the struggle?

Willie Coyote

August 24th, 2010
9:50 am

Horford is the most qualified to be the other captain. I’d like to see that happen.

I’m not excited about Dampier or Kwame or anyone else out there. This was and is a 50+ win regular season team and a 4 (and no more) win post season team. 50+ wins in the regular season is fine; my issue is with the 4 win ceiling this team has in the post season. I didn’t see one free agent out there (that the Hawks could have signed) that would improve this team beyond 4 post season wins. A better attitude and more mental and intestinal fortitude from the current group would improve this team more that Kwame Brown, Old Shaq, or Dampier would. Actually, I seriously doube any of those potential additions would be worth any more wins for this team. Why should the ownership go into the luxury tax to add a player that will not add regular season or post season wins?

I would expect a trade is coming sometime during the season so I will keep my fingers crossed it is something significant that will help the team. Wishful thinking??? Probably.

drmaryb (*_*)

August 24th, 2010
10:18 am

Wind Fall!

What happened to the 3M received from the sale of that #31 pick?
Why not use that to buy out Pape Sy’s 500K contract amount required to release him & pro-rate the cost against a three year NBA deal for Pape Sy?
After all, didn’t he pay his own way to join the Summer League and appear at the MSG for Draft Night?

Why not meet the man half-way? It will cost the ASG a net of zero dollars to do this!

Come on Slck-Rick, be a creative GM! Make it Happen!

Al & Josh asked for one thing and got nothing!
Drew asked for one thing (Pape Sy), does he get nothing?
The Fans asked for changes and upgrades, they got nothing.

The ASG asked for Fans to buy tickets – Guess What?
You will get nothing!

“Something from Nothing leaves Nothing – and you got to have Something, if you wanna be with me!”
- song artist – (from the ’80’s unknown)
Where’s Astro Joe?


August 24th, 2010
10:25 am


Your 9:18 post was hilarious. And while I think Woody had a negative effect on Teague, he has no excuses anymore. He had summer league, and he will have training camp and the preseason.

Plus Drew and Bibby will help reconstruct his confidence and aggressiveness. I expect growing pains, but I also expect visible signs of improvement with some consistency.

As for team captains, I think they should be elected by the players. But I think the culture will be “JJ was our captain all these years, so I will vote for him as captain again”.

I just hope they elect Horford as well.


August 24th, 2010
10:52 am

“Most us probably met today’s announced Kwame Brown Bobcats signing with a huge yawn, and went right back to what we were doing.”

Exactly what happened. I saw it while on the train this morning, yawned, and went right back to sudoku.

Astro Joe

August 24th, 2010
10:58 am

Dr. Mary… Billy Preston, the 5th Beatle. His other huge hits were “With You, I’m Born Again” and “Will It Go Round in Circles”.


August 24th, 2010
10:58 am

I have lost all ability to get excited about any possible trades or additions for the remainder of the season. The ASG is slowly sucking the ‘fan’ right outta me.


August 24th, 2010
11:08 am

Personnally I liked Kwame’s length and leaping ability, but I didn’t think he would have been anymore than a 3rd string center. This organization really believes that Woody didn’t use the current talent correctly and is expecting Drew to do a better job. That should mean we’ll see a lot more Collin’s and Teague.

Horford should be co-captain with JJ, but JJ has to stay captain. He needs to further grow into the position of captain and in terms of leadership. What I really think he needs to help Horford and Smoove improve their games. JJ is the only truly compete offensive player on the team, so I would like him to help Horford and Smoove improve their weaknesses.

Astro Joe

August 24th, 2010
11:10 am

OB, we have ALL had bad authority figures to deal with. At some point, you have to “get over it”. Given that the most vocal owner and the new head coach are publicly cheering for his success, one would think that Teague would be able to “get over it” yesterday. The Wicked Wizard from Indiana has melted and gone away. Time to click his sneakers 3 times and play some ball.

drmaryb (*_*)

August 24th, 2010
11:11 am

Astro Joe

My main man! I knew you would come through for me – you always do!
Billy Preston: oh yeah! Wonder where he is now? What happened to all the greats?

Did Rap & Hip – Hop take them out? How can we replace real artist with computerized noise so easily? I don’t get that. I guess the Baby – Boomers spent their time making money and buying toys instead of music, so the brats took over our music industry! So so so so saad …

Our music made sense and changed lives – now we just get 911 calls when things go bad, instead of love letters and love songs and flowers!

Go Figure!

But, didn’t you like that sound reasoning re:
Something from Nothing …. ?

Rev in Tampa

August 24th, 2010
12:05 pm

Given Drew’s decision to pencil Bibby in as the starter, I suspect he will maintain the status quo regarding the Captain. JJ will remain the captain.

Drew’s decision to start Bibby tells me he values stability and orderly transition.

Some leaders/coaches like blowing things up and start over fresh. Out of chaos comes greater & quicker change. This leadership style challenges people to grow in the midst of adversity. No pain, no gain. The advantage is people like to be challenged & grow.

But other leaders/coaches like stability & order. Change comes more slowly, but can be managed more closely. The advantages are less risk and more respectful of the employees/players.

That being said, JJ is lacking in the leadership department. He is sufficient for a team that has average expectations.

Astro Joe

August 24th, 2010
12:28 pm

Dr. Mary, excellent song choice for your comments.

Rev., also remember that Drew was Teague’s position coach last year. Surely he is uniquely qualified to determine how much responsibility Teague is ready to take on to start the season. If dude was shaky running certain drills in practice last season, then handing him the keys to the team seems fairly ridiculous. Like Drew said, he will have to earn it, and clearly, he hasn’t done that (yet).

drmaryb (*_*)

August 24th, 2010
12:32 pm


Astro Joe, I nominate Billy Preston to write the Hawks Theme Songs:

“Will it Go Round’ in Circles?”

- Will it go ’round in circles? Or, will it fly high like a bird up in the sky? –

Well Sundless – Hawks! Which will it be?

drmaryb (*_*)

August 24th, 2010
12:39 pm

rusty said this about JJ:

“i wished that jj would take a walk off of a short pier”

He probably wishes you would do the same.
Better yet, JJ probably could care less if you were a Fan of his team – or not?
Or, if you ever showed up at Phillips Arena – Ever.

drmaryb (*_*)

August 24th, 2010
12:44 pm


(Clear Image)

What in the worl are you doing awake @ 3AM?
Sleeping on the Couch? Ouch!
Or, working that graveyard shift again – when all the freaks who come out at night, took the night off.


drmaryb (*_*)

August 24th, 2010
12:48 pm

Stirring and Stirring …

Well, its my off day and I’m stirring the black kettle …
But, nobody wants to come out and play with me?

Well Sundless is on vacation? I thought you had to actually work to earn a vacation. What has Sund done? Not a damned thang!

Aye Sund! Get them boys some help! They said they need HELP!

Astro Joe

August 24th, 2010
1:03 pm

Dr. Mary, you having too much fun over here. Yep, great song choice earlier on your comments. The good thing about the current didgital age, is that REAL music has been saved. Otherwise, it would have been lost to album scratches and cracks. But bcause of the didgital age, some 15 YO may discover the Roberta Flack/Donny Hathaway album.

Astro Joe

August 24th, 2010
1:04 pm

Tampa, of course the other possiblility is that Drew was Teague’s position coach and is uniquely qualified to know what the youngster is capable of handling early in the season.

drmaryb (*_*)

August 24th, 2010
1:20 pm

Astro Joe

Great Observation …
I guess sometimes when you lose – you win, and sometimes when you win – you lose. But, it all evens out in the end.

Good Stuff There.
Thanks for playing with me.
Off to – Life Time fitness now. Later. (*_*)


August 24th, 2010
2:37 pm

gee, i thought it was about mushrooms … you know, will he go round in circles or will he fly high like a bird up in the sky…. man it was the drug era and billy preston.


August 24th, 2010
2:44 pm

Hortford is the only leader on the team. Josh is great but not a consistant leader. JJ always seems to be in a bad mood. Marvin is passive. Bibby is…..

If we can get to the league minimum of players our offseason will be a huge success. High expectations huh?

Big Ray

August 24th, 2010
4:20 pm

I am soulstar ,

LOL. Sudoku was a much better use of your time…

Drmaryb ,

I don’t sleep on the couch, there are other beds in the house. :) But yeah, I’m on that night shift again.

Big Ray

August 24th, 2010
4:27 pm

VaVa ,

As I watch Astro Joe respond to your assertions in predictable fashion and unprecedented speed, I have to say that I don’t think Teague was deeply scarred (or so I should hope not, it having been only a single season). With Woodson gone, all excuses will vanish, and the lights come right back on. I think he’ll be fine, though. If not, well, then we picked the wrong guy. Again.

The jettison of Woodson and the ascension of Drew really does provide a lot of blog opportunities for “I told you so” comments, but I am interested to see who will dodge the piles of crow that come. It will be entertaining, no?

Big Ray

August 24th, 2010
4:28 pm

dap01 ,

I actually think Bibby would make a decent co-captain with Horford. Bibby’s experience and willingness to be bold are part of his leadership qualities.

Big Ray

August 24th, 2010
4:39 pm

Astro Joe ,

Clearly Teague hasn’t earned the starting spot, true. Of course, one must be given the opportunity to compete for such a thing, first. Since we haven’t seen that, we can’t say he has failed to do so.

Teague will get his first real chance at starting, which ironically he cannot earn until training camp begins. Personally, I think Drew is absolutely doing the right by penciling Bibby in as the starter. Bibby is the veteran, and it gives Teague something to work for. Nothing should be given, other than opportunity. Woody seemed more open to giving that opportunity as he season and playoffs ended, proving that maybe it was time, and that he had never even considered such a thing in the beginning.

Astro Joe

August 24th, 2010
5:42 pm

Ray, I don’t think I used the word “fail” regarding Teague. If I did, it was a mistake on my part. He was around the 5th PG drafted and frankly, it would take an exceptional player to be ready to lead a 50 win team from that draft spot (at the beginning of his 2nd year).

It’s hard to say if Woody “never even considered such a thing in the beginning”. Bibby was entrenched as the starter and Teague likely would have needed to “knock him out” to win the title. Seemingly, that didn’t happen in the early stages of vet’s camp (nor should it have been expected). Also, a rookie should be better in game 82 than he was in his initial vet’s camp. So it may have been both Teague’s progression and Bibby’s considerable decline that led Woody to make that comment after game 4.

Lastly, I believe that a lot of the “love” for Teague is more about love for the back-up PG. Had we drafted Eric Maynor, who is considerably less athletic and less dynamic than Teague, I think many would still be calling for more time for the back-up. Bibby was so disappointing, that folk would have been asking to see more of Mike Wilks had he been on the squad. I agree that the Hawks need better PG play, I just don’t quite know how we will get that in the coming season. And honestly, maybe Drew’s pentangle offense will reduce the need for stellar PG play… since everyone seemingly will be responsible for making the right pass.

As usual, those details are diagnostic for me. I just want to win, I don’t particularly care who plays, what plays are called or the name of the schemes they run.

drmaryb (*_*)

August 24th, 2010
6:13 pm

Training Wheels!

(Picture Perfect)

IF you had a Drop – Top 2010 Bentley – sitting in the drive way -
would you pull the training wheels off & just hand the keys to Teague?

The Hawks are what? A 58M franchise asset that won 53 games last season.
I don’t know if I would just give the keys to Teague either, until he showed me that he wouldn’t drive it into a ditch, or into an old oak tree.

I may let him back it up and roll it up and down the driveway a couple times.
But, with Bibby’s smarts and handles at least you know he won’t turn it over in a ditch. It’s a safe bet I think. But, I definitely wouldn’t just give the keys to a speedy but wreckless driver at point guard.

I do think Teague will earn some significant PT by the All-Star break, I sure hope so.

Fantastic & Fun Blog!


August 24th, 2010
9:05 pm

yea drmaryb we certainly should have gotten another pg if we thought teague wasnt ready. bibby showed last season that he no longer can play defense. he certainly will not break down any defense by driving to the hoop. he also wouldnt be capable of any uptempo ball movement. he just shoots threes & defers the ball to jj. for your info i do go to hawk games,love the hawks except for jj whom i think is responsible for our stagnant offense & has shown time after time he dissapears from big games & monopolizes the ball at the end of games. oh & i also dislike ownership & thought woody was the worst coach in the nba

drmaryb (*_*)

August 24th, 2010
10:04 pm


Well JJ just ran the plays that Mr. Woodson drew up and called for.
The team had no player movement, no ball movement here.
In phoenix Joe played the game the right way. He doesn’t coach the entire team, just played the hand he was dealt and basically all the dirty work was his to do, until more help arrived in Al & Josh.

Bit, Al & Josh had to learn the NBA game too. It takes time to trust your team mates and gel. We saw signs last season when Josh came back to play inside and off the perimeter. But, who would you rather see jacking up long shots on this helter – skelter team? Joe or Josh? The system Woodson had going here also made Joe look bad. Joe stated he wanted those issues resolved before he would even consider a re-signing. He got those assurance from Drew and apparently, he believed him when he re-signed.

So all we can do is believe until we see different.
Joe will run the plays that Drew calls upon him to run.
Hopefully everyone will or be benched. That includes defense too.

Everybody! Team! Together! Equals Wins and Rings!


August 25th, 2010
12:23 am

drmaryb i think a lot has changed since his phoenix days. jj wants to be the man.his ego has changed,i think he put a lot of pressure on himself because of his big mouth stating thathe wanted to be the beginning of last season. i dont think that woody had much control of jj. there were times he refused to come out when woody wanted to pull him. i dont think he will play into the new offense as he will not get as many shots. i think he is most effective by holding on & pounding the ball until he gets a change to shoot. he certainly is not a slasher( neither is bibby) jc might also be an iso player but he will score outside or inside. he doent eat up the cloak & when he goes he will make the basket,get fouled or pass off to someone on the inside. jj just holds on ti the ball dribbling the cloak out & by then he is tripple teamed with time running out i hope he will buy into the new offense but i have my doubts.