Hawks Fans: Safety in numbers and changing landscapes

I have to say I’m pretty impressed with you, my fellow Hawks fans.

Despite the fact that things are in slow motion this time of year, y’all have really kept up the discussion (intelligently, I might add) at a pretty high rate, even when it may or may not seem like there is a lot to talk about. Or maybe it’s not that there isn’t a lack of subject matter, as much as there is so many things that have been re-hashed over and over. Yet things have not gone stale, and that is thanks to you. So, let’s keep it going…

 

Bench Mob

I think that the idea of watching this team under Larry Drew really has sparked a great deal of discussion, despite the various supposed or assumed circumstances surrounding his hire. One issue in particular that many are probably anticipating is how he will use his bench. After years of watching a Hawks rotation that was comprised primarily of seven and sometimes guys (I’d say Mo Evans’ status as a rotation player was in a constant state of flux), should we expect a lot of change? Is there a “safety in numbers” line of thinking with Drew and his staff? Even more to the point, does he truly feel that he can go a solid eight, nine, or even ten deep with the current roster he has (plus whomever gets signed between now and the start of the season)?

There are a lot of questions here, and they won’t be answered until that first buzzer sounds, though we should get some pretty good hints of what is to come during the preseason (where we will also get to see that vaunted offense). Okay, so we know Jamal Crawford and Zaza Pachulia are rotation players. What of Mo Evans? Will he get consistent minutes? Maybe we should be asking whether or not he’ll earn them, and where he’ll get most of his playing time. Jeff Teague is expected to see an increase in minutes as well, becoming a part of the rotation. That automatically gives the Hawks a nine man rotation. Will Josh Powell be a regular in the frontcourt as well? He reportedly came here to get more playing time than he was getting with the L.A. Lakers, but he will have to provide something that is missing, for that to happen. What of Jason Collins? Is he another Mike Woodson scapegoat conduit or a useful player? 

There is another view we can take on this “safety in numbers” theory, and it applies to Drew’s offense. All five guys on the attack, he says. Well, that is certainly better than one guy on the attack by himself, with the variation of such an offense being that the ball is passed to another guy who goes on the attack by himself. But….might it be too complicated? Will guys who have gotten the lion’s share of the shot attempts get the same number of attempts, or will that change? Will the Hawks learn to “ride the hot hand”, or will Drew call for a strict offense that requires sharing of the ball regardless of what is happening on the court? While the latter is probably unlikely to be the case, you just never really know until the games are played. So much depends on the players buying into and committing to a workable scheme.

To this point, the Hawks have gotten by on talented players, despite the fact that we sometimes undervalue what we have. The front office and ownership seem to think that the current roster has enough talent, but that it could be better utilized. How much better?

What are your thoughts? Is there safety in numbers?

 

If you wanted another big man….

You got your wish. Well, sort of. With the addition of Kenny Gattison, the Hawks put a tough guy on their bench, but he’ll be wearing a suit full-time. A gritty and effective role player when he was in a jersey, Gattison should be bringing that attitude to practices (we certainly hope). Fortunately, he also brings some experience on the sidelines, having spent a couple years in New Jersey under John Calipari, and more recently several years in New Orleans, including under Byron Scott. One wonders – will he be another “big man” coach, same as Ty Hill, or will his area of concentration be elsewhere? What do you think of this addition to Drew’s staff?

 

On The Horizon

Regardless of how we think of them, some members of the Hawks front office are wanted by other teams. As Hawks beat writer Michael Cunningham reports, director of pro personnel Steve Rosenberry is apparently headed to Portland to become an assistant GM. Meanwhile, current Hawks assistant GM David Pendergraft could be taking Steve Kerr’s old job in Phoenix. So what does that mean for the Hawks? While we probably don’t care too much as fans who the new director of pro personnel and college scouting would be (seriously, did you even know who Rosenberry was before this?), there is perhaps a modicum of interest in who Sund would replace Pendergraft with, should he be moving to the Arizona desert.

Having been in the league well over 30 years, Sund surely has numerous contacts, and for every guy who wants to be a GM some day, there’s a guy who knows that becoming an assistant GM is stepping stone leading up to that in most cases. If I recall correctly, Pendergraft is currently over all scouting. So, whoever would replace him (again, if he goes) would presumably take over that task and responsibility. But what do we think of Pendergraft? Has his scouting experience and expertise shown to be worth something, or would we be anticipating an upgrade? To be totally honest, there is only so much to work with. Under Sund and Pendergraft’s watch, the following guys have been drafted by the Hawks – Jeff Teague, Sergei Gladyr, Pape Sy, and Jordan Crawford (correct me if I’ve missed anybody). Even with Teague, we still don’t quite know what we have. However, we shall hopefully enjoy finding that out.

Thoughts, my fellow Hawks fans?

 

(UPDATE): One more thing. Did you see this one coming, and does it make Boston a tougher matchup for us?

193 comments Add your comment

vava74

August 4th, 2010
5:50 pm

I think you guys will want to read this… I don’t particularly like what this dude writes but…

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Shaquille-O-Neal-a-Celtic-;_ylt=AkwJZ9djw2_02Vh.Q2K5CiK8vLYF?urn=nba-260187

I particularly like the following passage:

“It’s just that all these raw stats tell you that the Cavs were so, so much better with O’Neal on the pine. That when things weren’t Shaq-centric, Cleveland tended to dominate. The easy answer to that? Don’t pass Shaq the ball. Don’t make him Shaq-centric. To these eyes, Cleveland didn’t. And yet, the team’s offense stunk with him out there. Tom Haberstroh nailed the best part of it last week:

LeBron with Shaq last year: Cavs +3.4 pts per possession. LeBron without Shaq? +15.7. That experiment was fun wasn’t it?

That’s per 100 possessions, and with the average game working around 93 or 94 possessions, nearly 16 points is a pretty big deal. That’s not an insignificant number.”

NATIVE SON

August 4th, 2010
6:49 pm

oHHHHH BOYY!! iT’S HOTTER IN HERE THAN IT IS OUTSIDE!! This is more like a “BRAWG” than a Blog. People even got sources & !^*#. It’s my hope that the teams stacking all the talent end up handicapping themselves, and imploding. Goodbye Shaq’. Might have been nice, but you probably can’t outrun Dick Bavetta at this point. Talk is good here, but do lets play the games. The Hawks may turn out just fine. They need one more pick-up. His name is Big Heart, from The Hard Knocks Institute of Preparation.

Peace…From The Most Native

Oh Yeah…..DING DING

MannyT

August 4th, 2010
6:55 pm

Are we trading canniblogging for Mixed Martial Offensive Blogging? Yup, we have become the M-MOB.

Able to tear into someone with a hong kong fooey chop ;-)

Slowly You Turn, eh

O'Brien

August 4th, 2010
8:29 pm

I look forward to Connor’s defensive concepts, but he will have his work cut out for him. If Jamal is struggling on D, does LD take him out and play JJ major minutes?

If teague can play well from the start, that will make LD’s job and Connor’s job easier.

Big Ray

August 4th, 2010
8:37 pm

soldierman ,

Hate to break it to you, but that’s not the first time that this has been said about Marvin. However , if it happens, you will be the first to have said it (and been right) in the offseason before he actually does turn that corner. :)

NATIVE SON ,

I concur. Now how much of the MLE is “Big Heart” gonna take up? :lol:

Big Ray

August 4th, 2010
8:41 pm

Vava ,

If the Hawks were made up the exactly same way that particular Cavs team was (including coached by the same kind of coach), then I’d call that a profound and probably accurate synopsis. Since it’s not and that wasn’t, I’ll call it irrelevant…..

Astro Joe ,

I was there. I was laughing. You’re the man, that ish was funny!

Big Ray

August 4th, 2010
8:44 pm

Niremetal ,

Hey, it was great entertainment. I don’t know which was better, your cage match with Doc , or your giving credit to Rod . Or the obviously utter and stupifying surprise on Rod’s part.

I love this blog. Y’all/you guys are awesome.

Big Ray

August 4th, 2010
8:52 pm

rusty ,

The subject of Joe Johnson’s contract is neither old nor sore, my friend. Trust me, he and his contract (and those who gave it to him) will be under a decent bit of scrutiny all season, and seasons beyond that. On the subject of him saying he’s sorry, I’d settle for an occasional shout-out to the fans after home games, particularly in the playoffs. Of course, he’ll also have to perform well in the playoffs or there will be little reciprocity on the part of the fans.

As for him pushing the ball or playing in an uptempo offense, a few points:

1) He played in such an offense where he did not have to control the ball (the point guard did, some guy named Nash), and had no issues sharing it. Some place called Phoenix, on a team that narrowly missed the NBA Finals.

2) We don’t want him pushing the tempo. That’s the point guard’s job. We must have and utilize a point guard who can do this.

3) Larry Drew has talked about taking the ball out of Joe’s hands and putting it in the hands of the guy who is supposed to control the tempo and distribute the ball. That would be the point guard. I can only get so mad with a guy who has been tasked with the job of both handling the ball the majority of the time, and in carrying the greater bulk of the scoring load. Change the plan, and you are likely to see changes in a player’s game. That’s why Larry Drew got the job: change of plans.

NATIVE SON

August 4th, 2010
9:01 pm

Just takes gas money Ray, just gas

Big Ray

August 4th, 2010
9:03 pm

MannyT ,

Socrates had to drink poison, if I recall. So I’m not too keen on repeating what he has to say. Then again, I think he simply lacked your sense of humor and ability with acronyms. :lol:

Hawksfan23

Actually, the ASG said they would be willing to go into luxury tax territory for the right player . Well, that automatically gives them a way out, because they can always claim that a player they did not sign was not the “right player.” In the case of Shaquille O’Neal, I have to agree. Paying him enough millions to put them in luxury tax territory is NOT a guarantee of a spot opposite the Lakers (or whoever comes out of the West) in the NBA Finals. In fact, it doesn’t even guarantee a trip to the Eastern Conference Finals. At the same time, there is no guarantee that having him on the team wouldn’t guarantee those things. If it did, Shaq would have been one of the first free agents signed…..

On the other hand, we may get more out of Josh Powell than the Lakers did, as we have more potential playing time for him. And maybe Collins will be a viable (or even useful) option against bigger front lines, when he’s needed.

I agree with one thing for certain – no more Randolph Morris, and no more Mario West. West was not what I’d call a “good defender.” What he was good at was hustling and harassing. A good defender is not that foul prone, something West showed himself to be if left in the game long enough. Even then, he couldn’t hold a candle to super foul magnet Randolph Morris, who would commit a foul just by coming into the game. It’s just not right when the announcers and media types surrounding the game are making bets on whether or not you foul out if you’re given more than 10-12 minutes of playing time in a game…..youch…

Big Ray

August 4th, 2010
9:03 pm

NATIVE SON ,

LOL, I hear ya.

NATIVE SON

August 4th, 2010
9:03 pm

Ray

Once again, you’re on point. (no pun intended)

NATIVE SON

August 4th, 2010
9:06 pm

To all:

Do all, or most of you sit in the same section?

niremetal

August 4th, 2010
9:21 pm

Native Son,

I can’t speak for everyone else, but I sit in
Section 406
Row ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Seat 1

It’s located in Philadelphia.

Vava sits in the Section 411, but he’s a few alphabets further back, in Portugal.

rusty

August 4th, 2010
9:25 pm

big ray
i hope you are right. i just have a feeling that the ball was in jj hands always was because he demanded it. he never seemed to want to gve it back. since his phoenix days his ego has grown tremendously along with his salery. his style of game sort of excels because of iso play.

niremetal

August 4th, 2010
9:49 pm

Rusty,

I don’t think anyone knows the cause of the change in JJ’s playing style since he left Phoenix. He might have gotten more egotistical and demanded the ball more. Or maybe he was just doing what was expected of him in the offense. The things that stick out to me are 1) in Phoenix, no one ever accused him of being a ballhog; and 2) his assist numbers in his first year here were quite good. My theory has always been that when Harrington left in ‘06, that’s when Woody decided that the offense would consist of a series of ISOs for JJ.

With Woody gone, I think/hope JJ will play the role assigned to him in Drew’s offense – he’ll still be the #1 option, I’m guessing, but he’ll be starting possessions off the ball instead of as lead guard. In that framework, I think JJ’s efficiency will go up and the ISOs will go way down. But it’s possible that it’s too late, and playing ISO ball for so long has made him lose the sick catch-and-shoot and quick-move skills he showed in Phoenix.

drmaryb (*_*)

August 4th, 2010
10:00 pm

Mr. Assist

Doesn’t Mr. Johnson also lead his team in assists?

drmaryb (*_*)

August 4th, 2010
11:52 pm

Doc

Sounds like I may need a lawyer to proof-read my Blog Contract, before I comment on here?

I may get sued or 25 to life – IF I can’t substantiate my opinions of what I see.

Be Careful …. You may lose your credibility on a damned Blog!

Looks like Truth-Serum has shut down MC’s Blog for the night as well.
When the Cats away – The Mice will play!

He He He.

Nite-Nite everyone, there’s always tomorrow.

doc

August 5th, 2010
12:08 am

careful dear, trouble lurks out there.

HB Ando

August 5th, 2010
12:20 am

A law school education is a terrible thing to waste……

Does Nire make any of you long for the days when Ando could actually sway your intractable position, and somehow made his arrogance palatable?

Baby Boy Ando is due in two weeks, for any of those wondering just how high the cliff I fell off of was.

I can’t help but notice that checking in here, after six months or so, finds that some things never change…..

XXOO (love ‘ya, mean it)

vava74

August 5th, 2010
3:48 am

Ray,

The Hawks are built for speed. So we are an even worse fit than CLE was for Shaq.

There is NO WAY he would fit our ball club given Drew’s publicly announced offensive strategy. NO WAY.

Furthermore, with an inexperienced PG in Teague and an aging and defensively challenged one in Bibby, everyone would just screen and roll us to death.

It would be the switching D all over again. Just with a different format.

So, in my book, all assertions on how bad Shaq fit in CLE (and in PHO) are pretty solid indications on how he would fit here.

CLE should have played up tempo against BOS with Hickson and Varejão, just the way we got to win 4-0 our regular season series against them.

Instead, CLE went slow and fell into BOS’ trap.

Conversely, Shaq should fit in nicely in BOS’ geriatric, low possessions slow ball and he should also fit in there for other reasons not connected to the in court play.

NONE OF THAT would happen in ATL. He would be a hindrance both in and outside the hard court.

wordsmithtom

August 5th, 2010
5:30 am

Boston just got older and slower. Can you see Shaq running out with Horf, Smoove, and Marvin? They’ll have finished the play before the diesel can pick up enough speed to find second gear.

I’m much more interested in seeing more of what Native Son calls for: toughness. Getting a glimpse of that in Zaza, one of our toughest guys already, adding boxing to his summer regiment. That should help his footwork. I know it’s euroball, but he ate Gortat’s lunch the other day. He’ll never be that archeotypal “big man” center, but a Bill Lambeer kind of intimidation player. I’d be happy with that.
All I’ve heard is that Powell is like minded; a glue guy who makes others better.

If these two guys come in spouting the “NO LAYUP” philosophy, things could get special.

Plus, if they use the bench, where guys are ready to play, it’s not so bad having a starter foul out. Foul out, someone else can finish! Just NO LAYUPS.

wordsmithtom

August 5th, 2010
5:35 am

Zaza boxing. I LOVE IT. Get some of that KG! Imagine putting up layups on Bill Lambeer…he’d park your panzy azz in the second row.

vava74

August 5th, 2010
6:00 am

wordsmithtom,

fully in agreement. we should become fast and gritty (and even dirty) ball club.

don’t have size? do it with spunk and a bit of a mean spirit.

get anyone coming into the lane whacked. lets lead the league in technicals and in flagrant fouls.

you can all bet your a**es that size would no longer matter by mid season and we would be respected.

doc

August 5th, 2010
6:48 am

ando enjoy the fall big fella.

O'Brien

August 5th, 2010
7:16 am

Rusty,

Another thing to keep in mind. Remember Jamal’s first couple games with the Hawks? He came off the bench, and was looking to get other players involved.

Woody put an end to that real quick, telling Jamal basically that he wants him to lead the league in scoring off the bench. So I think JJ’s style of play was encouraged by Woody.

I think JJ will be willing to pass the ball more, because he can be more efficient scoring, and he wont be so tired down the stretch or in the playoffs.

O'Brien

August 5th, 2010
7:19 am

As for the Shaq discussion, he is a good fit in Boston. With Perkins out, Shaq might be the starter for the first few weeks of the season (which is what he wants).

They dont run as much as we do, and Shaq probably highly respects Doc, Ray, Pierce (who Shaq named “The Truth”) and KG. Can’t say the same about the Hawks.

drmaryb

August 5th, 2010
7:56 am

The Thrilla’ in Manilla’

Blu-Ray
(Clear Image)

Fantastic Blog Topic, but we have a classic battle of sorts going on here.

Doc throwing jabs and floating like a Bee – Nire bytch slapping and shadow boxing and looks like drmaryb hanging onto ankles trying to break it all up – or Not?

No MSG?

Well we will just have to see about that:
Zo in one corner & The Worm in the other and Stan Van Gundy hanging on by a thread, in the MSG!

doc is Zo … nire is Rodman and drmaryb is SVG!
Now, I would pay to see that as a prelude to the Hawks playing the Orlando Magic in a round 2 play-off series. Right now, this blog has more entertainment value than a Hawks basketball game. At least doc and nire bring fire, heat and passion to their games and a little cussing makes it all the more spicy.

That’s all a fan is asking for from the ASG and the Hawks Players. Gives us a reason to turn that car back around, give a reason to come down to the Phillip’s Arena and buy the good seats and beer drenched popcorn.

And in the off-season? “Give us something to talk about” – Bonnie Rait –

The FA season is over and like all crack-babies? – We Get Nothing!
(unless, you count smoke blowed up your azz.)

We are down to discussing Kwame and Boone? Maybe a SL player?
You can put perfume on a pig – but, it’s still a pig.

drmaryb

August 5th, 2010
8:32 am

Thrilla’ in Manilla’

In this corner, we have doc – throwing jabs and connecting like a bee.
In that corner, we have niremental – bytch slapping and dancing on a tee.
He jabs and connects …He ducks and flee …. Oh my, I’m the referee and I’m on his knee?

Reminds me of the good ole’ days in MSG:

Zo (doc) and The Worm (nire) in a Play-Off match and SVG (drmaryb) hanging onto the knee of his star player. Those days are gone fellas, when The Commish was up for a good ole’ fight and the Pistons were allowed to bury bricks and chain-saws beneath the paint and decapitate the opponent, if he came any where close to the basket.

Then came the hand-check rule and hard fouls became level one and level two and three strikes?
You’re out! (sounds like Baseball to me).

The Pepsi Generation is here – too soft and sweet.
We grown & sexy folks grew up on Coke – It’s the Real-Thing! We had a Coke and a Smile1

and, It’s been a while….

I’m just enjoying the doc and nire battle, unlike the ASG: These guys are bringing, fire, passion and gas to the fight!

That’s all a fan is asking from the ASG: The FA came and went and they gave us nothing – Nothing to talk about! My Bonnie Rait CD gave me more tunes than these fat-cats.

What are these lame duck owners doing over there? Like their team – They got swept out of the Free Agency by an aggregate of 101 points!

BTW, i got $50 on doc.
he he he

wordsmithtom

August 5th, 2010
8:38 am

Vava, they have size if they use it. Collins sat on the bench last year. Often Zaza and Joe Smith played minor minutes because Woody was afraid to pull his starters less he lose a game. He lost a lot of games because people wore out; not because they fouled out.

The change in coaching will not only be a better ball movement, a better rotation of players, and hopefully more toughness as people know they sit if they let their guy score layups.

Win, lose, or draw…this kind of ball is more interesting to watch.

I like our chances if they can buy into this kind of play. We need FIRE, not size.

doc

August 5th, 2010
9:05 am

DR MB, you know the story starts at the top, always does. great employees dont make up for poor managers. they quit and leave for better waters.

i see a whole lot of hoping here with heavy blue skies mixed in and nothing based on fact or past performance. first question, how do they respond to a new coach his system a huge beat down in the final four games they played and the askg doing nothing to improve the team? is it really going to be addition by subtraction as so many of you are pinning your hopes on and following the askg lead? of course that means allowing woody’s contract to end. are we still looking for organic growth and continuity to lead us to the promised land? has the askg been nero playing the fiddle while other teams burned down their own well honed and developed team over five years where the others revamped in three or less? basically do we have the players to compete in the newly remodeled east, now bigger and stronger than before? we will see early as that has been the m o of this team the last few years, to come out strong and coast a bit towards the end. gonna be fun. we should have things pretty well sized up by mid december and be in full form here remembering the sultry days of summer when it was all put in place.

Astro Joe

August 5th, 2010
9:30 am

No doubt that Shaq as an on-court asset would have been questionable. But in order to run, you need to rebound the ball and that is where he could have helped. Not to mention that Shaq is an above average passer and in a motion offense, there is little doubt that he would have easily found a cutting Teague or slashing Jamal. He may not have been a perfect fit, but I’m sure they could have found a way to use him. But no need to beat that horse, it is as dead as Mr. Ed.

Ando, go buy a $100 worth of diapers on me. Tell lil Ando that Uncle Astro wants a a few courtside seats when he grows up to become the first player/head coach/GM/NBA insider in NBA history.

IMO, Joe’s issues last year were related to the arrival of Jamal and an expiring contract year. He probably felt added pressure to be more of an offensive force. At the same time, Horford and Smith did become better offensive players and Jamal did win SMOY all during the season. So while he was less than efficient and made some poor decisions during the past season, I wouldn’t go so far as to call him selfish. My guess is that one of the things that Joe enoyed hearing from Drew was the accountability speech. My guess is that many plays were not executed as designed in the previous seasons and that Woody would allow guys to get away with it, but Drew has stated that won’t happen under his watch. My guess is that Joe has had to pick up some of his teammates not because of physical limits but mental limits and that wears on him during the season. I think the accountability issue goes far deeper than stuff we may be able to discern (like poor shot selection or careless turnovers). I think those are the issues that result in a lack of trust… because one teammate doesn’t trust that the next teammate will do what the team has practiced. Personally, I believe that any new head coach could have addressed those concerns but presumably, Drew should be that much more effective in that area because of his first hand knowledge of the issues and the culprits.

Also (back to trust), the players no longer trusted Woody to hold players accountable, and I think that is where he lost the team. Not so much in the play calling or substitution patterns, but in ensuring that the sweat equity placed in practices, film study and team meetings was enforced during game time. Once the guys recognized that one did not follow the other, all heck broke loose. That’s my speculation.

Astro Joe

August 5th, 2010
9:35 am

Good for Acie.

Memphis Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace said Wednesday night that the team intends to sign former Texas A&M point guard Acie Law. Wallace, who attended the public memorial service for Lorenzen Wright on Wednesday at FedExForum, said the Griz hope to complete a deal with Law, the Aggies’ third-leading career scorer, in the coming days. “We’ve been in discussions with Acie’s representatives and hope to enter into a contract with him soon,” Wallace said. HoopsWorld.com reported Wednesday that Law, 25, a career backup entering his fourth NBA season, has agreed to a one-year deal with Memphis. Law, who was traded twice last season, worked out for the Griz earlier this week. Memphis Commercial Appeal

kwooden1

August 5th, 2010
9:39 am

Astro My point about the man-on-man defensive is not to switch before you need to. To many times Bibby or Joe would switch when they weren’t even fully screened yet. I would hope that the new system will encourage staying with your man as long as possible. I don’t want other teams dictating match-ups. For the most part I’m fine with the off ball switching because Smoove, Marvin and JJ can guard each others man. I really have a problem with the PG to C switch, I thought we should have trapped those Pick and Rolls 80% of the time.

Astro Joe

August 5th, 2010
9:51 am

kw, I understand. i was mostly ridculing Drew’s stated “guard you man or else” statement shortly after he was hired. My sense is that he has spent a decade thinking of how he would ruin a team’s offense if given a chance and maybe 10 minutes thinking about defense. Hopefully, Connor will be the yang to Drew’s ying.

Back to Acie, Conley seems like he is no longer held in high regard with the Grizzlies but there was also talk of Mayo getting a shot at playing PG next season. I wonder if Acie is going there to be a 2nd string or 3rd string PG?

Astro Joe

August 5th, 2010
9:53 am

how he would RUN a team’s offense (ruin, bad Freudian slip).

kwooden1

August 5th, 2010
10:00 am

Astro, I hope he doesn’t ruin our offensive, because as bad as Woody’s ISO were, the other sets he ran were efficient according to the numbers.

I agree on Acie, I think he was just hurt to often when he was with us.

Astro Joe

August 5th, 2010
10:02 am

Move your cursor next to Bibby and Zaza’s names and get a little chuckle at the commentary. For some reason, I didn’t find Joe’s comment all that funny.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/hawks.jsp

Astro Joe

August 5th, 2010
10:12 am

I had no doubt that Woody would be there.

Current and former NBA players in attendance included former Grizzly teammates Bonzi Wells and Stromile Swift, current Grizzlies Zach Randolph and Tony Allen, former Grizzly and Memphis product Lester Hudson, former Hawks coach Mike Woodson and NBA agent Aaron Goodwin. “This was a celebration of life,” former Tiger and NBA player Elliot Perry said. “People really loved Lorenzen. When you talk about Lorenzen around the community, you’re talking about a giant, a person who had a positive attitude about life.”

Big Ray

August 5th, 2010
10:14 am

Kwooden1 ,

Excellent commentary on the defense.

rusty ,

I don’t think it was all one way or the other, but I highly suspect that this was Woody’s idea from the get-go, though you have to remember it was Billy Knight’s idea to experiment with Joe at the pg position (didn’t last long, as again…he had the responsibility of being the team’s only credible scorer). I DO think Joe got used to it, however. Now we get to see if he can get “unused” to it.

Big Ray

August 5th, 2010
10:18 am

HB Ando ,

Big congrats on the mini-me and I don’t call that falling off a cliff….I call it rising over the mountain. Yes, things don’t change too much around here, because we don’t change too much (that would include you as well, yes?). So….will it be another six months? LOL….

Big Ray

August 5th, 2010
10:22 am

Astro Joe ,

Thanks for the link. I did get a chuckle out of the Bibby/Pachulia comments. I agree that the Joe Johnson comment was anything but amusing. And….I saw a disturbing but unsurprising trend where Jason Collins and Josh Powell were concerned. Yeah, this sounds like our guys…

Big Ray

August 5th, 2010
10:23 am

Now check this out:

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/shaun_powell/08/03/coaches/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Ten Coaches who will be under pressure this season. You’ll never guess who doesn’t make that list….

Astro Joe

August 5th, 2010
10:28 am

Ray, Drew should NOT be under any pressure for the next 2 seasons. After all, he’s likely the best coach available at that price. :twisted:

niremetal

August 5th, 2010
10:32 am

Ray,

What’s “disturbing” about that trend? The portion about the league paying a portion of the salarie? Because the league pays that portion of every veteran’s salary who is signed to a minimum contract. The same is true of Shaq:
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp

Mike is back

August 5th, 2010
1:01 pm

Big Ray, as always…nice timing and great prelude in light of yet another Sund and ASG inauspicious decision. I’m hesitant to blame it all on Sund…some how I feel like the eight stooges are the ones pulling most of the strings.

Doc, thanks for the Kumbayah song…I can really use a laugh right about now. That was one of my Graduate Professor’s…theme songs. She was a ding bag of course…so when I first seen Astro use it in his blog…I was cracking up…saying to myself…no way AJ…don’t bring that dig bag back up. However, now that I think about it…she did kind of remind me of Nire…very intelligent…but dingy. lol

@Big Ray, I expect the Hawks under LD to resemble the old Phoenix Suns…pre Shaq. They will get up and down court…score a lot of points, tease the fans, and struggle in the playoff…once they are force into half court sets. Sounds like the same ole Hawks…hmmmmmmmmmmm.

At lease, they will be fun to watch. lol

O'Brien

August 5th, 2010
1:08 pm

I hope Acie is able to turn it around in Memphis. I liked him at A&M (he won the Bob Cousy award his senior year). He made big shot after big shot for that team.

But injuries derailed him with the Hawks, and he might have lost his confidence under Woody.

As for coaching under pressure, I think LD is under pressure (even if he isnt the top 10). Woody averaged 50 wins the last 2 years, and made the second round.

LD has the same players, so with organic growth and an improved offense and defense, I think he will be under pressure.

Because whats the point of firing Woody and hiring LD if he only leads us to 45 wins and a first round playoff exit?

Astro Joe

August 5th, 2010
1:53 pm

OB, there is no doubt in my mind that ending the Woody era was the right thing (regardless of what Drew does). It was the next decision that I don’t love (choosing Drew). But given the ASG’s fondness of sameness (not to mention what appeared to be a less than efficient process for hiring Drew), I simply don’t think any owner will be interested in thinking about a new coach until the 2-year guarantee expires.

My prediction is that Nate McMillan gets gone after this season (new GM and he can’t get out of the 1st round) and he takes a year off before becoming the Hawks head man in the 2012-13 season.

O'Brien

August 5th, 2010
3:12 pm

AJ,

I think woody should have been let go 2 years ago when sund gave him the extension.

Another possibility is doc rivers. This is the last year of his contract, and I can see him taking a year off, so maybe ASG would pay him whatever he wants to coach the hawks.

Mike is back

August 5th, 2010
3:19 pm

Well my blog must have gotten eaten up. This I will leave out my comments about ASG.

Doc, thanks for the laugh.

ANDO, congrads on the little one.

Big Ray and Astro, as always…GREAT STUFF!!!

Nire, another Kumbaya from me too broooooooooooooooooooo. heh heh

I’m out folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!