Hawks bits and pieces

Hang in there, Hawks fans. We’ll make it through this summer yet (or so I keep telling myself, anyway).

While things seem fairly quiet in free agency, and that would be for all NBA teams at the moment, a few tidbits are floating around that may prove to be a useful diversion for a minute or two. As we discuss those, I keep thinking about the missing Lorenzen Wright. Missing persons cases more often than not are either a false alarm, or they don’t end very nicely. But some do. And I hope that this is one of those where “all’s well that ends well.”  Peace and blessings on his family, who I’m sure are sick with worry. These kinds of things never seem to matter to people until they hit close to home. Again, I hope this ends well.

 

Tough Times

As much noise as we make about adding size and toughness to the roster, do we bother to consider that adding toughness doesn’t always mean adding a body? When the official announcement of the signing of former Lakers forward/center Josh Powell finally came down, one of the catch phrases was that he “adds toughness.” Well, if the Lakers say he’s a good guy and a good addition, I’ll take their word for it, at least to an extent. After all, Powell hasn’t played many minutes in L.A., so we don’t have a lot of visual evidence to review (other than some youtube clips) for confirmation. But what about the guys who were already on the roster? Can’t you add toughness….by simply becoming tougher?

If you ask me (and you didn’t, but guess what?) toughness is a state of mind. The body can be willing and able, but it’s no good if the spirit is weak. Avid Hawks fan and blogger Northcyde is one of the foremost fans calling for two of our key guys (Al Horford and Josh Smith) to play a lot tougher, as the success of this team depends heavily on that. Realistically, that can be the key difference between competing at the highest levels, or struggling to do so. Look no further than last season’s first round playoff series. The Hawks struggled mightily when Al Horford allowed himself to get out-toughed by Kurt Thomas, and Josh Smith allowed Ersan Ilyasova to out-hustle and outplay him for stretches at a time.

So what can the Hawks do to get tougher? What are Josh Smith and Marvin Williams doing to get tougher. Those are two guys who could really have an impact on the game if they bring it with more force. In fact, that’s the one thing that can really optimize a lineup of long, athletic players. Without it, much is wasted.

How does one change one’s mindset? Different people have different methods. And sometimes the body has to be brought up to speed with the mind. The idea is to be tough all the time, not just when backed into a corner and forced into “fight or flight” mode. Well, it seems one Hawk is going to give it a go in the offseason.  As noted on NBA.com (on the Atlanta Hawks official site), backup center Zaza Pachulia has added to his offseason regimen, and the results might be more than just better conditioning, footwork, and overall stamina. It might just result in a tougher approach to the game. All I can say is watch out Kevin Garnett! I still love that moment in Hawks history…

 

The “other” Star Guard

According to ESPN.com, Hawks super sub Jamal Crawford would like to discuss money matters. He wants to remain a Hawk, and I’m sure any Hawks spokesperson would likely state that they would like to keep him around. And while Jamal has been around the league for a decade (and been with several teams), he may as well get comfortable wherever he is sitting. After all, things don’t tend to happen around the front office at lightning speed. Especially if they don’t really have to. The question is, do the Hawks want him to finish out his career in Atlanta? Might they see him as a two way asset, or has he proven himself to be indispensable? Jamal seemed to fit in pretty darn well, and that is not likely to change under new head coach Larry Drew. But, if the Hawks are very slow or otherwise noncommittal to signing him to an extension, what might it be an indication of? Of course, a number of theories could abound. Understandably, they may be more focused on preparing an extension offer to Al Horford. Or, they may have other moves up their sleeve. You just never know. But, for the sake of the sanity of blogger Steve Brown, I won’t mention one of the most obvious and talked about (by others, not just me) possibilities.

In the meantime, I wish I could be an invisible fly on the wall in training camp. If for no other reason than to watch Jamal Crawford playing against Jordan Crawford. That would have to be a fun matchup, no?

560 comments Add your comment

Astro Joe

August 2nd, 2010
1:12 pm

I don’t buy the notion that Tegaue is basically a rookie… not unless one believes that practicing against NBA players everyday for a year is no better than playing in college. I’m not expecting Teague to look like a future HOFer, but he should have more of the fundamentals down than a true rookie. After all, Teague spent the bulk of his rookie season under the tutelage of Larry Drew. I assume that during practice scrimmages, Drew was the one providing position-level feedback to Teague. So if there were basic PG issues (like how to throw an entry pass, how to run certain plays, who to defend a pick & roll, etc.) Teague should have had the benefit of Drew’s wisdom for the past year. Given that his Wake Forest coach was fired a few months ago, I’m guessing that a year of Drew in practice was better than a year in college with a less than stellar coach. Surely, a year of practicing with and against NBA players is a better environment than playing with last year’s Deacons squad.

Rev in Tampa

August 2nd, 2010
1:55 pm

I just read this from an Orlando Magic blog for what its worth:

Not counting Redick’s salary, the Magic are on the hook for over $85 million this season, and that’s before adding the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax payment. Orlando management is indeed shelling out to put a winning team on the floor this season.

Ken Strickland

August 2nd, 2010
2:03 pm

ASTRO JOE-With MEvans in the final yr of his contract and not like to be resigned, I would make developing JoCrawford my #1 priority over playing Moe Evans anywhere. After all, Crawford appears to have more talent and a wider skill set, and he’ll be here after Mo is gone.

You’re suggesting the same ill advised approach Woodson took with JTeague, and you see the situation it’s put us in now at PG. He’s entering his 2nd yr, and we still have nothing more than speculation and wishful thinking regarding his ability to get the job done at PG.

STEVEW-Good points. Here are a few more reasons we’ll be a better team:

1-our players will have the advantage of actually having a structure OFF and team approach to closing out gms. There’s no way LDrew will allow any player to consistently disrupt his OFF to go play ground.

2-Based on what I know, have seen and experienced when it comes to basketball, playing a DEF that keeps out front line players near the basket will automatically improve both our OFF and DEF rebounding. That in turn will improve our overall OFF production, especially our fast break OFF.

3-We won’t lose gms because our key players have been worn down from being over played, either during a gm or during the season.

4-We won’t consistently lose gms due to poor DEF, or a lack of adjustments, changes or strategy.

5-Attacking the lane as a team, rather than relying heavily on shooting jump shots, will create more scoring opportunities for us at the FT line.

6-Doubling the mins of PG JTeague will increase our team speed, allow us to maintain an uptempo OFF and better perimeter DEF.

7-JPowell will add more speed, quickness, athleticism, energy and versatility to our front line.

8-LDrew won’t make a habit of losing winnable gms by making obviously stupid decisions. EXAMPLE: going to a 6 man rotation in the 2nd half of a back to back against the NBA’s top team(Cleveland)when we had maintainable lead.

9-We won’t start the playoffs with our starters worn down from being over utilized, or our bench being totally ineffective due to under utilization.

10-When we lose during the regular season and in the playoffs, it will be because we were beaten by a better team, not because Marvin, Bibby JJ or JaCrawford were allowed to consistently stink up the place.

11-All of our players will enter this season with far more excitement, confidence and focus than they’ve done the last couple of yrs, and some of them will feel they have a lot to prove.

Ken Strickland

August 2nd, 2010
2:16 pm

REV IN TAMPA-I also read on HOOPSWORLD that Orlando, along with the Hawks, have decided that making only minor adjustments and basically maintaining the status quo, rather than making a lot of changes, was the best way to go. There’s no way LDrew will sit idolly by and watch Bibby under produce on OFF, while at the same time, allow PG’s like JNelson make him look as if he wasn’t even on the court defensively.

dap01

August 2nd, 2010
2:25 pm

Why is there no Hawks coverage right now from the AJC?

JoJo the Godfather

August 2nd, 2010
2:28 pm

Here’s a 3-way trade that helps us out this year…

Atlanta sends: Bibby, Ja Crawford, 2011 1st Rd Pick, 2011 2nd Rd Pick

Atlanta gets: Andre Miller, Joel Pryzbilla, Rudy Fernandez

Portland sends: Miller, Pryzbilla, Fernandez

Portland gets: Bibby, Crawford, Ajinca, 2011 1st Rd Pick

Dallas sends: Alexis Ajinca

Dallas gets: 2011 2nd Rd Pick

Miller / Teague
Johnson / Fernandez / Jo Crawford
Williams / Evans
Smith / Pachulia / Powell
Horford / Pryzbilla / Collins

Fundamentals

August 2nd, 2010
2:33 pm

JoJo – I’d like Ajinca for our team to develop. Folks questioned Joel’s health when I asked about him before. Is he ready to play? Miller would be a great PG option who would push and compete with Teague for minutes. Fernandez wants more than we could offer as a backup? He’s not big enough to play SF. That’s our niche we need? Mo is great at the backup SG role with Jo Crawford. We need a good SF to help Marvin. Also, what about the 2 2nd round picks we’d have instead of our 1st?

niremetal

August 2nd, 2010
2:38 pm

Jojo,

You’re right, that would help the Hawks. Sadly, both of the other teams have to agree to the trade too, and Rich Cho would laugh so hard that he’d need oxygen after being approached with that trade.

Melvin

August 2nd, 2010
2:41 pm

drmaryb (*_*)

August 2nd, 2010
2:49 pm

Macaroni Tony

Jo Craw should get some burn, look at what Brandon Jennings did as a rook. I know he played overseas to avoid College, but in every sense of the word, he was a phenomenal rookie!

So yeah, play Jordan …

SteveW

August 2nd, 2010
2:53 pm

Good points Astro Joe and Ken Strickland

Also, Nire – I do tire of some of the trade scenarios – and I’ve given a few myself. Most are so unrealistic – your right – both teams have to bite.

Melvin

August 2nd, 2010
2:55 pm

It may be time to start our Stackhouse signing campaign again. Low cost vet that could play quality mins at the backup SF spot… Bring in Stackhouse.

SteveW

August 2nd, 2010
2:56 pm

Jo Crawford will not get more than token minute – not even as much as Teague last year unless: 1) There is an injury
2) Unless he’s alot better than we think
3) Unless theirs a trade or something that neccisitates it.

I do think they’ll try to get him in many games – something along the lines of 5 MPG – unless there’s a blowout or matchup situation somewhere.

Fundamentals

August 2nd, 2010
3:02 pm

I’m praying Drew actually plays the kid to see what he can do. He and Teague deserve a chance. Why do all the other teams get contributions from rookies and young talent, but we give them “token” minutes. We preach youth and speed when it’s convenient only to fall back on the veteran tag when it suits us. I wanna see the kids play! Let them prove what they’ve got in the regular season to prime them for a real contribution when the post season begins. Being a 4th seed doesn’t matter if your kids aren’t prepared!

Rev in Tampa

August 2nd, 2010
3:14 pm

Hey, everybody, MC is back and has a new blog.

Astro Joe

August 2nd, 2010
3:21 pm

Strickland, I wouldn’t GIVE any young player anything, I would make them earn it. There are 48 minutes at the SG spot, the team is best served by having Joe and Jamal play something north of 45 of those 48 minutes. Anything less than that and we’re not trying to win.

It would be a HUGE mistake to hand over the keys to the team to Teague until he earns them. He can prove himself in practice and by playing 18+ minutes each game off the bench. What’s wrong with an achievement-based system for awarding playing time? If Drew is saying “guard your man or else” that sounds to me like he is expecting something in return for playing. Hopefully, he will have a similar standard for offense… with accountability when a player fails to execute. And in this league, accountability takes the form of playing time (it’s not like you can change behavior by having guys pay a $100 fine for each bone-headed play).

Astro Joe

August 2nd, 2010
3:26 pm

Fundamentals, Drew will surely give him time. But there is a difference between playing and starting/finishing games. Teague will likely get 18+ minutes every game that he is healthy. I am just suggesting that anything more than that should be based on his performance and not some random decision to donate the time to him like he is a charity case.

Melvin

August 2nd, 2010
3:39 pm

MC says in his latest blog that Shaq would have to accept a bench role and vet min (or not much more) to play for the Hawks. If thats true, I guess we can kiss the idea of signing Shaq good bye. I can see him compromising on one but not both of those terms…

niremetal

August 2nd, 2010
5:25 pm

Wait, MC is back? Oh boy, let me hop in my car and head over there!

*sees the average quality of commenters on MC’s blog*

Nevermind…

Ken Strickland

August 2nd, 2010
7:04 pm

ASTRO JOE-Are you saying Bibby’s 9.1PPG, 3.9APG, and his inability to penetrate and play DEF automatically earns him something? Again, you’re using the same misguided logic Woodson used against ALaw and JTeague just because they started out as rookies under him.

How do you expect him to earn it sitting on the bench and getting a bunch of DNP CD? And when he did get to play, the mins and opportunities were limited and sporadic. And before you bring up the EARNING IT IN PRACTICE argument, tell me, how many practices did you attend, and how do you know Teague didn’t outperform Bibby during those practices?

Wouldn’t it stand to reason if Bibby performed so well in practice he would have produced a lot more during the season? Evidently LDrew feels he earned the right to get more consistent mins, as well as challenge Bibby for the starting slot. This might be the same team basically, but it’s certainly not the same mindset or approach.

That old narrow minded thinking and approach of judging certain players by their perceived shortcomings just because they’re rookies, and ignoring obvious shortcomings of certain players just because they’re veterans, IS OVER. So get with the program.

O'Brien

August 2nd, 2010
8:58 pm

I heard that Big Z took out an ad in the paper thanking Cleveland fans for their support. I think that is what JJ should have done after he signed his big deal.

Take out an ad in the ajc thanking fans for their support, and promising them bigger and better things for the upcoming season. At least thats what I would have had him do if I was in marketing for the ASG.

His agent did say he would help recruit players. I wonder if he put a call in to Shaq…

niremetal

August 2nd, 2010
11:50 pm

I heard that Big Z took out an ad in the paper thanking Cleveland fans for their support. I think that is what JJ should have done after he signed his big deal.

Big Z did that as a farewell to Cleveland. I don’t know of any examples where players put out spontaneous ads thanking fans for a team they still play for. Especially not one who clearly has never been a fan favorite – it’s easy to say as a fan that he should show appreciation for the fans, but the “appreciation” thing is a 2-way street.

O'Brien

August 3rd, 2010
7:14 am

nire,

I think it would have been a good idea because of JJ’s comments during the playoffs about not caring if fans show up or not, although its possible he didnt mean it the way some fans interpreted it.

Some Hawks fans are upset about his comments, and some Hawks fans are disappointed with his contract. If I’m not mistaken, last year we were ranked 18th in attendance, and 22nd in payroll. This year, we will be closer to top 10 payroll, but it is basically the same team as last year.

So the ASG is hoping that there will be more wins (I dont think we will win more than 53), and that more fans will come out and watch the same team. JJ placing an ad might have helped. Or he could have done a press conference.

Speaking of which, LeBron is looking like a copycat. 2 days after Big Z places an ad thanking Cleveland, LeBrob places a similar ad in the Akron paper (thanking Akron).

wordsmithtom

August 3rd, 2010
8:11 am

Now that Truth-Serum is banned from MC’s blog, does he come here? Could a cage match be impending. Big Ray in one corner—-TS the other. My money’s on Blu-Ray!

The doldrums of Dog Days ensues. Nothing to talk about so let’s bash Truth-Serum. We all know he’s insane, but if he behaves, I have no problem with his views. None of us know it all; but all of us have the responsibility to treat others as we would like to be treated. Thus, unless he learns how to behave, I’m with MC. It’s about respect. If TS wants to play by the rules, he can say what he wants. It’s like Rod from CP. I TOTALLY disagree with his constant bashing of Marvin. But, he does NOT attack other posters when they disagree with him. He’s civil. So, agree or disagree, as long as a poster is civil….they’re cool with me.

Big Ray keeps it real here. I really appreciate that. Good job, BIG GUY!

niremetal

August 3rd, 2010
8:21 am

O’Brien,

As I said, it’s probably a 2-way street from JJ’s perspective. The fans don’t seem to show much appreciation for him, so why should he show appreciation for the fans?

O'Brien

August 3rd, 2010
9:59 am

nire,

That’s true. But the ASG needs the fans more. So while I understand JJ’s perspective, I think the ASG needs to do a better job of marketing their players, especially their $124 million star.

vava74

August 3rd, 2010
10:47 am

OB,

ASG should have paid the add on behalf of JJ, without even consulting him… :-D

That’s marketing!!!

Astro Joe

August 3rd, 2010
10:57 am

Strickland, tell me, is there a middle ground between starting and getting no playing time? A simple yes/no question… because when I suggest playing Teague off the bench, you seem to jump to accusing me of advocating that Teague not play. So the question is fairly simple, is starting the one and only way to get playing time (in your opinion)?

Melvin

August 3rd, 2010
11:04 am

OB,

That’s why you don’t see Joe doing alot of endorsements and the ones he have done, he doesn’t say much. Dude doesn’t have the most marketable personality…

Astro Joe

August 3rd, 2010
11:17 am

The Hawks PR Director should have contacted Joe’s agent (or vice-versa) and they should have developed a marketing/media campaign together. Both parties should know Joe well enough to know that he doesn’t think in that manner and that he has some fences to fix in this city. The fact that Dwight Howard gave a more comprehensive interview than the recipient of the franchise’s highest contract is shameful. But again, I don’t blame Joe because he is not the media-hungry, I-want-live-in-a-fishbowl type of person. And that is why those people in the offices of his agency and his team need to take an extra step (like Vava suggestss, buy the F’ing ad) on Joe’s behalf.

The Hawks seem to always do “just enough” as opposed to taking the next step. They should have at least one person from the Hawks do a round of radio, TV and newspaper interviews every month during the off-season just to whet the appetite of potential ticket buyers. In July, they could have had Pendergraft discuss the process for draft night and why fans should be excited about JoCrawford. In August, bring in Joe to discuss his free agency. In September, trot out Drew to discuss the impending vet’s camp and how things will be different under his leadership. In October, have Horford (or Josh or Marvin) discuss the coming season. I’m talking about 2-3 heavy media days a month spread out so no one gets burned. Basic marketing tactics to stay relevant in a town with a slew of disposable income options. And how much of an investment would that be? Other than reimbursing gas mileage, like virtually nothing.

Astro Joe

August 3rd, 2010
11:25 am

And Joe needs to slap his agent upside his head for the “recruiting” comment. The ASG only had the MLE to spend, so any “recruitment” would be for a middling player. If the agent walked away from the negotiating table believing the ASG would use the MLE, then the agent was a fool.

Fans will hold it against Joe that he didn’t deliver a recruited player, but the reality is that after Joe signed, the only contracts handed out by the Hawks were minimum salary deals. Who was Joe supposed to recruit to take the minimum? Patrick O’Bryant?

Rod from College Park

August 3rd, 2010
11:50 am

wordsmithtom,

It’s like Rod from CP. I TOTALLY disagree with his constant bashing of Marvin. But, he does NOT attack other posters when they disagree with him. He’s civil. So, agree or disagree, as long as a poster is civil….they’re cool with me.

I agree, but I personally had no problem with TS, but that’s me. You say you totally disagree with my bashing of Marvin. Please tell me one thing that I have said about him that is not true. If it’s true, is it really bashing, or is it telling the truth.

O'Brien

August 3rd, 2010
11:58 am

AJ,

Co-sign.

And if the ASG is depending on the product on the floor to attract more fans, I think they will be disappointed. Although Woody’s ways had its fault, we were one of the best home teams the last 2 years, and fans still were not coming out the way the ASG wants them to.

So they need to find a way to make fans feel closer to the players, especially their $124 million star. But ASG and marketing have not done enough IMO.

O'Brien

August 3rd, 2010
1:01 pm

Steve W,

From MC’s blog.

“without getting into the details of my conversations with sources, i would say there was definitely a plan in the organization that they could use the $3 mil to offset the luxury tax paid (and tax distribution lost) by signing a vet player. somewhere along the way that plan changed.” MC .

niremetal

August 3rd, 2010
1:08 pm

If the beat writer says it like that, it’s good enough for me. I can’t imagine what changed, except maybe season ticket sales being lower than expected. After all, they maxed out JJ on Day 1 of free agency, so they obviously were planning to spend that much on him.

Astro Joe

August 3rd, 2010
1:49 pm

nire, I sincerely hope they were not basing their decison on ticket sales given that they haven’t executed a plan to drive ticket sales since the end of the Orlando series. Maybe they thought they had an “all but the signature on the line” deal with someone like Jermaine O’Neal and that went “poof” on them. It would line-up with JJ’s agent suggesting that he would do some recruiting (they share the same agent) and the front office’s belief that the cash would be better to have than a player at #31.

Funny, we want our head coach to be able to “make adjustments” during game situations. That quality would also be nice in a GM.

Melvin

August 3rd, 2010
2:08 pm

My guess would be the direction change once the Salary Cap figures were release. At that time they saw a way to stay on the luxury cap and continue to receive tax disbursements. If the tax disbursements are similar to baseball were the pot is divided amongst the non-luxury teams, than those checks probably average at least 5mil… Follow the Money.

O'Brien

August 3rd, 2010
2:33 pm

I am in a similar camp like AJ. Maybe they had a certain guy they wanted, but either his price tag was too high (Shaq, Drew Gooden for example), or he decided to go somewhere else (JO or Big Z for example).

However, conspiracy theory; What if they said those things just to help convince JJ to stay on board?

After all, Rick said resigning JJ was just the beginning, and they would spend to improve the team. I’m sure that’s what JJ wanted to hear, that they plan on improving the team (although the money and years are very important too).

niremetal

August 3rd, 2010
2:34 pm

Astro,

Apples and oranges don’t even begin to cover the differences between a head coach and a GM, certainly in the way you are describing it. The analogy makes sense to the extent that just as coaches must do their best with the roster given to them, GMs must put together the best team with the budget given to them. Within that framework, each must make adjustments. But the analogy basically ends there. There is more than a small difference between tactics and strategy. Adjustments to strategy are much, Much, MUCH, MUCH harder to implement on the fly than adjustments in tactics because strategies are much longer-term in scope. Woody actually had a decent grasp of strategy on the defensive end, I think. But he sucked at tactics because he lacked the capacity to make tactical adjustments when the strategy isn’t working.

With the complicated salary cap and luxury tax rules, the reality that most players play under multi-year contracts, and the fact that all teams work within a budget based on projected revenues, GMs have much less leeway when it comes to making adjustments. Moreover, GMs can’t simply push a button and get the players they want like on NBA2k (or like coaches can do when they make substitutions in games). Players have to want to play for the GM’s team. The result is that the closest you see GMs coming to making on-the-fly adjustments is when GMs scour the waiver wire after the trade deadline to pick up pieces for the stretch run. Before that, the GMs have to take a longer view of the team’s progress during the coming years.

In this case, I don’t know what you expected Sund to do. If ASG told him “it looks like we won’t be able to afford to pay the luxury tax this year; you can spend $70M on the payroll and not a penny more”…well what “adjustments” do you expect him to make? He can’t magically make extra money appear, nor can he force players to sign with the Hawks at a discount. Even if he could, he has to take into account more than simply filling players on the roster. He has to make judgment calls as to what players would mesh will the other players already on the roster.

As for this:

I sincerely hope they were not basing their decison on ticket sales given that they haven’t executed a plan to drive ticket sales since the end of the Orlando series.

I was in Atlanta for all of 3 days during the early summer and saw billboards and a TV commercial advertising Hawks season tickets. Now maybe those are left over from a prior ad campaign (doubtful in the case of the TV commercial), but in any case I don’t see how anyone on the outside can state as fact that “they haven’t executed a plan.” They may well have executed a plan, but you haven’t come across it or have selectively ignored it (as you are apt to do when something doesn’t mesh with your preconceived notions). In any case, odd statement to make since I saw evidence of an ad campaign in just a couple days of being around town.

niremetal

August 3rd, 2010
2:52 pm

Also, assuming the Hawks are anything like most pro sports teams, the team’s annual revenue comes mainly from sponsorships and corporate/luxury box sales, neither of which hinge on an ad campaign. The Sixers have TERRIBLE general ad campaigns but the team always seems to have decent value estimates in Forbers because every stuffy law firm in Philly and financial services company in Wilmington buys premium tickets.

drmaryb (*_*)

August 3rd, 2010
3:20 pm

It looks like the ASG will probably make a move for a Big by the trade deadline to assess what we already have under new management versus what the team need.

Maybe, Zsa Zsa will play a better defined role and we will see more of him on the court with Al and Josh.
And, less of Marvin in that starting role he has yet to:

Yearn
Learn
Earn

drmaryb (*_*)

August 3rd, 2010
3:32 pm

Georgia Peach!

Zsa Zsa scored 28 points and snagged 8 offensive boards as Georgia defeated Poland.
He scored against Gortat who posted 10 points and 3 boards in that lop-sided defeat.
(Something like 89 – 64/74?) Was the game total.

Here’s my point: Zsa Zsa said he loves playing for his Country: The Republic of Georgia.
Because, there he is the team Captain and he is the Man!

Wow! Maybe, if Drew can put Zsa in better schemes and make him a focal point at center with Al and Josh on the floor, that would be one heck-uv-a BIG front line!

Just maybe, Zsa Zsa can be the Dark Horse in Georgia. How ironic would it be IF what we
were looking for was right here all the time! I say look in our own backyard before looking over the proverbial fence for greener grass.

Just Maybe?

niremetal

August 3rd, 2010
3:41 pm

I was just about to post that, drmaryb:

Zaza: 26 pts, 8 rebs, and 2 assists in 27 minutes
Gortat: 10 pts, 3 rebs, and 1 assist in 28 minutes

Georgia (or Sakartvelo, as they call it in Tbilisi) routed Poland 84-65. The Polish Hammer got nailed.

I watched part of the game. Gortat looked as clueless about what to do against decent players in Europe as he does here in the States. I’ve always said that no one would even know Gortat’s name if he weren’t backing up a superstar. One game doesn’t prove that, of course, but it’s particularly satisfying to see Zaza crush him in what was a pretty significant game – one more win basically secures Georgia a place in Eurobasket 2011, which is the Olympic qualifying tournament.

Well done, Z!

Astro Joe

August 3rd, 2010
5:50 pm

nire, of course it is harder to build a roster than to win a game. The point is that every competent person must have a contingency plan when things fail/change. Retaining 9 of the top 10 players feels very much like a front office that failed to make an adjustment. There was a plan to adjust the roster, the plan changed, so we stay the same.

I’m sorry if you took my “no marketing plan” literally. I should have suggested a marketing plan that may improve ticket sales (if that was a prerequisite to move forward with a roster upgrade). If a business owner is losing X in 2009 and trots out the same plan in 2010, I would characterize that as not executing a business plan (that improves the business situation). I guess I left out the obvious notion that their business plan does not appear much different than the previous one that left the team lacking in attendance and revenue. If a billboard of Josh, Al and Joe didn’t ring the phones, why trot out a comparable billboard (but maybe this time wearing the red uniforms and not the white ones).

It all feels like sameness to me. Same core, same revenue projection, same lack of adjustments. Sameness.

The sad thing is that my Jamal Crawford trade rant was partly based on having 2 years of essentially the same roster because we would be “locked in” without the expiring contracts of Acie and Speedy. 13 months later…

O'Brien

August 3rd, 2010
5:54 pm

Zaza plays fairly well for the hawks when he is given enough minutes and used in the right situation.

MC said woody did not like playing al and zaza together, but LD is more comfortable with them together. So I think Zaza has a better year this year.

niremetal

August 3rd, 2010
6:47 pm

It all feels like sameness to me. Same core, same revenue projection, same lack of adjustments. Sameness.

You’re right. I mean, they even have the same coach. Wait, what? They have a new coach? You mean that the person in charge of offensive and defensive strategies, in-game tactics, substitution patterns, and player development is different than last year? Nah, that couldn’t POSSIBLY be important.

I don’t know if you noticed, but changing coaches can have a drastic effect on a team’s fortunes. It’s telling that you completely discount the possibility that a coaching change could bring about more significant changes than signing a free agent or making a trade. To you, Woody wasn’t the problem, so replacing him is a non-factor. Why am I not surprised?

And thanks for bringing up Crawford. You wanted us to trade for a big man instead of Crawford, if memory serves. We traded for the reigning Sixth Man of the Year, Al became an All-Star, and Josh should have been an All-Star. What trade would you have made that could have worked out better? Because trading for a big man would either mean either 1) moving at least one of our All-Star caliber big men out of position; or 2) bringing the acquiree off the bench…and #2 would be kind of a funny thing to prefer considering that we got the BEST BENCH PLAYER IN THE NBA.

Big Ray

August 3rd, 2010
7:00 pm

Rod in CP ,

Should we start with how many times you claim Marvin falls down in a game? I can dig through the archives…. :lol:

vava74

August 3rd, 2010
8:40 pm

Stop hating. Show a bit of appreciation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYUB1Ek9dKA

Astro Joe

August 3rd, 2010
9:16 pm

nire, and having the SMOY resulted in what improvement in the post-season? Remind me.

And then, Mr. Historian, remind of the last time an NBA team cut strings with their head coach during the off-season and hired his assistant. Oh, and then went on to unprecedented success as a franchise. I’m sure that there are at least a half-dozen examples of such a thing happening, after all, it makes perfect sense to keep a head coach for 82 games only to determine that a guy on the bench was the single best coaching candidate available after having the off-season to make that determination. You may find some in-season interim coaches who proved themselves when forced into service…. but I doubt that you will find many examples of what the Hawks just did…. right down to retain several members from the previous staff.

You’re right, I should have ALL the confidence in the world in the off-season changes made.

O'Brien

August 3rd, 2010
9:32 pm

AJ,

One example I can think of is when Phil Jackson took over for Doug Collins. Although he did have Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen on the team…

To me, ASG is taking a big gamble, because they are putting all their eggs in the basket of a lifetime assistant HC. I like Drew, and I hope he succeeds, but it will be interesting to see what happens if we struggle out the gate.