Stray summer thoughts on Atlanta Hawks

Doldrums Driving You Delirious?

No time is worse for NBA basketball fans than that time between the free agent flurry and summer league hoopla,  and training camp. Very little is usually happening right about then, and in the case of Hawks fans, is it possible to have less than NO activity? To be fair, it’s been reported that Lakers forward Josh Powell is soon to be a Hawk . Beyond that, however, not much is being said. What positions will the Hawks look to fill in as they bring their roster total up to 13? Will they carry more than 13 players? Nobody really knows right now, maybe not even the Hawks themselves.

While the debate of what positions the Hawks need to pay attention to the most continues, an semi-old name has popped back up, albeit in another team’s news circle. Remember Garrett Siler? The large player from a small college spent last season in China on a team owned by Houston Rocket center Yao Ming, and got some token minutes on two different NBA summer league teams. Siler’s stat totals weren’t earth-shattering by any means (but neither were the minutes he got), and summer league can be rough on non-draft pick bigs who are looking for a job (it’s more likely to feature backcourt and wing players, or so it seems to me). All the same, what he was able to do stood out to some observors, and it’s possible that he may get another shot at this roster, though we will have to wait and see if he has indeed been invited to training camp. Speaking of which, it will be nice to know who gets invited to training camp, as it may tip us off on what the Hawks are looking at. Then again, it may not.

 

The Value of Yesterday’s Performance

If you got to see any of the Hawks’ summer league games, you probably paid a little more attention to how the offense was run than you have in the past. Before it didn’t matter what Larry Drew did during summer league games, as he was the assistant coach, not the head coach. This time was different, as it was a bit of a preview of the offensive concepts, at least. If you didn’t get to see any of these games, let me assure you – Hawks players will look different on the court than they have before, assuming they really buy into Drew’s style. In fact, they may want to work on their conditioning ahead of time. While I haven’t been privy to Hawks practices under Mike Woodson, I would be willing to bet they have never experienced as much screen setting and continual motion with and without the ball as they are about to. It could be very exciting to watch, especially when we’ll be seeing guys who can focus. It has to be difficult for summer leaguers, considering that their main focus is to get a job, right?

But this also got me to thinking about something . Who is going to look different in Drew’s offense, and how different will they look? Probably the first name that will come to many minds is Marvin Williams. Marvin’s biggest issue was that he simply did not affect the game enough. As longtime Hawks fan Niremetal noted in recent conversation – “The thing about Marvin is that you couldn’t really say ‘We lost that game because of Marvin.’ But, you also couldn’t really say ‘We won that game because of Marvin.’ ” And that’s just it, Marvin must have an impact on the game, especially if he is to remain a starter on a team that appears to be maintaing “status quo.” Can he do it? Were his problems, as fellow Hawks fan and blogger O’Brien suggests, due in part to the hindering presence of  Jamal Crawford (or rather, the way Crawford was used by former coach Mike Woodson)?  And that actually brings me to the name that I personally thought of.

Jamal Crawford.

How will he look in Drew’s offense?  Perhaps more efficient. Or, perhaps not quite as good as before. Perhaps Jamal’s Sixth Man of the Year award is owed in large part to Mike Woodson. After all, would Crawford gain such notoriety and have the effect on this team that he did, were it not for Woodson featuring him as the number two scoring option and first guy off the bench (be it subbing for Bibby or Williams)? Sure, Crawford had the talent to do more than Flip Murray did in that role, and some never doubted that, though others scoffed at the notion and bickered about the difference in salaries. But Drew’s offense calls for an all out attack from all five guys on the floor. If one is to make an assumption, one might assume that this requires more touches for guys who didn’t have as many last season (i.e. Al Horford and Marvin Williams). It could mean expanded roles, or simply more sharing.

However, more for one usually means less for another. While Woodson’s stated goal for Crawford was to lead the league in scoring off the bench, Drew’s may be different altogether. And what does that do for the value of Crawford? Does he mean the same to this team as a sixth man, a role he will most likely remain in? It would seem that fresh off of such a season’s performance, Crawford’s value would be at an all-time high, especially adding in that his contract expires at the end of next season. And as appalling a notion as it may seem to some, if the Hawks find any useable value in trading Jamal, they may want to do it while that Sixth Man of the Year trophy still has some shine to it.

Because…if the luster of Crawford’s performance is dulled by a struggle in the new scheme (or perhaps a better team scoring balance), then Crawford’s value may also be dulled. Just a thought…

So, what do you think?

219 comments Add your comment

JeJe

July 25th, 2010
6:14 pm

FIRST!!!!!!!

YES!

WHAT IS MY PRIZE

JSS

July 25th, 2010
6:20 pm

Big Ray…

Man why do you want to get the Iberian Peninsula started on those two subjects? You are one brave man!

I Heart Atlanta

July 25th, 2010
6:20 pm

Why does people want to trade Crawford, that idea is DUMB

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Athenzdawg

July 25th, 2010
6:22 pm

I would love to see Siler get another shot with this team. I mean what do we have to lose? We already have Morris and Collins. How much further down can we go? Even six fouls a game is more than we are getting from those too. I was a big fan of Morris in but he seems like that’s all he is content to be. A very good college player. Please sign Siler atleast give us one big man who can change shots when people come down the lane.

Randy Breuer

July 25th, 2010
6:25 pm

I do not think we are getting Shaq, it would be nice though.

I think Jordan Crawford is an upgrade over Mario West be far. Josh Powell and Joe Smith are about equal to me as of now. Either way, our top two power fowards are Smoove and Horford and Marvin could play there in some cases.

The best C’s left seem to be Shaq, Kwame, Boone and Nesterovic. I’d be fine with Boone. IF we only keep 13 guys I feel we may need another PG. I guess I’d throw Joe’s buddy out there of Jannero Pargo as a cheap one who is left.

Randy Breuer

July 25th, 2010
6:27 pm

Mo Evans is in a contract year and we may get alot out of him. 2 seasons ago everyone was very satisfied with him in a starting role….

dstdeelite

July 25th, 2010
6:50 pm

I don’t understand why you’d want to trade that kind of a punch off the bench. Not only that, but the guy seems to be a gem in and out of the locker room. He hasn’t played on a lot of good teams, but he is a veteran. Those young guys need someone who isn’t afraid to get it done in crunch time. I can’t tell you how many times JC came in and saved our behinds at the end of some close games because he was fearless AND can get to the foul line more than anyone else with the exception of Smoove. I’m not cool with trading Jamal. I thinks it’s a no-brainer, but that’s just my opinion.

Big Ray

July 25th, 2010
7:06 pm

JeJe ,

I’d say you get a free beer, but if I started that trend then I’d quickly go broke…either that or start writing less blogs, LOL. But anyway, congrats!

Mike is back

July 25th, 2010
7:22 pm

Big Ray, I don’t have a problem with inviting Siler to camp…when I seen him play in the Summer League…he was playing for NJ…base on The Truth link…obviously he performed better when he played with the Heat…either way…it couldn’t hurt to give him an invitation.

On the subject of JC, I think JC and JJ were only doing what the coach wanted them to do. I see no reason why JC would struggle in LD’s offense…at the beginning of the season JC was making great passes and getting guys easy looks…it wasn’t to the insisting of Woody…did JC start to dominate the ball on offense. He may not win SMOY…However, he should still be a very potent scorer…in the Hawks new offense…I would keep him.

The guy has lit it up…every team he has played for…I don’t expect that to change.

Big Ray

July 25th, 2010
7:23 pm

I heart Atlanta and dtsdeelite ,

It’s not about wanting to trade Jamal. Not at all. Hence the phrase above, “….if the Hawks find any useable value in trading Jamal…”

From a marketing perspective, it looks to be a bad move. I mean, Joe Johnson may be Atlanta’s $120 million dollar man, but aside from the usual cheering and clapping after a made fadeaway or 3 pointer, he doesn’t stir the masses a whole lot. Aside from a Josh Smith dunk or block, nothing got “oohs and ahhs” from the crowd like Jamal doing one of his patented behind-the-back or nasty crossover moves. And, he brought in a scoring average that was second only to Joe’s, and not by much.

But, that was also in an offensive scheme that featured a lot of Isolation plays, and depended mostly on the shot-creating one-on-one abilities of both him and Joe Johnson. What happens in an offense that requires more ball movement, and personnel movement? What happens when there is more sharing, which leads to more shots for other guys? Does Jamal still hit for 18 a game?

Lets be clear about something: Larry Drew talks about taking the ball out of Joe’s hands, but he is NOT, I repeat NOT talking about taking SHOTS away from him. If anything (and this has come out of Joe’s mouth as well), it means making him more of a catch-and-shoot player. And guess what? This will show people the true difference between Joe and Jamal. If you ask me, Jamal is a better isolationist than Joe when it comes to method and speed of attack. But Joe….he’s the better catch-and-shoot guy. By a decent margin, in my opinion. If you don’t believe me, review his stats from Phoenix, particularly the year before we traded for him. The guy hit 46% from the field, but he did even better from 3 point land (48%), and hit a career high 177 treys. That’s the Joe you might see this year, because he’s capable of it. What Crawford will we see if he’s not allowed to dominate the ball and the offense, the way he was last season?

Just think about two things:

1) Sharing the ball more means more shots for some guys. That in turn means less for others. People complained when we got Jamal that we were paying him $10 mil to do what Flip did for us at $2.5 mil. If Crawford’s offensive role (or rather, the need for his role) diminishes, they’ll have a point, won’t they? Or would you be happy paying $10 mil for a guy who averages 12-14 ppg?

2) What we’re really talking about here is the team’s best chance at actually getting better , and how Jamal might be that chance. It looks like the front office is not going to dole out any decent sized contracts after having re-signed Johnson. They don’t want to pay luxury tax unless they are adding a bonafide star. Therefore, any significant or major upgrades will require a trade. To get something of value, you most often have to give something of value. Unless a team is looking to do nothing more than cut payroll, you can’t give trash for treasure. So, you have to pick which treasure you want to give up, and it has to be something another team wants.

Jamal might be the best option….. again , if Atlanta sees value in a trade, or in trading him. Don’t think it hasn’t crossed the minds of those in the front office…

Big Ray

July 25th, 2010
7:29 pm

Mike is Back ,

I agree with much of what you say. Unfortunately, everything you say about him as a scorer also makes him valuable trade bait. I don’t necessarily think he’ll struggle to operate in Drew’s system. But I do think it would be a struggle for him to perform at the individual statistical level that he did this past season. That’s not to say that he won’t be valuable to the Hawks on the court, but with a changing role, sometimes comes a change in value. He may become more valuable as trade bait than he is for the Hawks on the court. You just never know.

What I would hope for is that the Hawks trade him only in a scenario that makes this team better. Otherwise, keep him for his remaining year. And enjoy it, because if these guys won’t spend outside of a big contract for a free agent they want to keep, don’t expect them to do it next year either, when the guy they’ll be looking to keep (at a hefty raise) will be Al Horford.

Randy Breuer ,

I agree. I’d take Josh Boone, he was effective when healthy. I thought Pargo signed with somebody already?

Big Ray

July 25th, 2010
7:34 pm

Athenzdawg ,

It may not count for much in some circles, but the thing that stands out for me with Siler is that he seems willing to do what it takes to get in the League and probably will continue to work hard once he’s there. Teams told him it would behoove him to get out of the D-League and go play in China. So, he went and did exactly that. That’s a young cat that is willing to listen and learn. He lost weight and upped his conditioning at the same time.

Don’t even get me started on Morris, who settled for losing weight. I watched him in the summer league games, and if he worked on his game, I sure couldn’t tell. Not one bit. I would not invite him to camp, and I though he was lightly lauded for showing up for summer league, something tells me somebody told him he might wanna get his butt out there and try showing somebody he could use a job. But if the summer league performance was any indication, he might want to take that resume to Zaza’s restaurant for a job. As a dishwasher.

Big Ray

July 25th, 2010
7:34 pm

JSS ,

Brave? More like crazy….. :)

Big Ray

July 25th, 2010
7:36 pm

Maybe Jamal is a more effective isolationist in comparison to Joe. That might make more sense…

zachdahater

July 25th, 2010
7:38 pm

I just looked at Garret Siler, we should definitely get him, lose Morris, get Siler. He’s 7′1, 305, you can’t teach size and height people. Plus, Siler apparently has good speed for his size. Morris is big, but he absolutely sucks. I thought he had good offense and sucked at everything else from gabage time minutes last year, but he proved me wrong in summer league. He’s just bad at everything. Keep, Collins, get Siler, get Pape Sy, and that’s 13 if you let go Morris, Joe Smith, and West(maybe. Get Jackson or Gladyr to make it 14. I’d get Jackson though, he’s a little slow, but he’ll put the shot in the freaking hoop for you.

Randy Breuer

July 25th, 2010
7:45 pm

Pargo is still unsigned.

Mike is back

July 25th, 2010
7:45 pm

Big Ray, I hear ya, and agree…I just think keeping JC may be the better option. It gives JC2 a year to develop, and given the ASG’s propensity for frugality…his expiring contract will be sorely needed to resign Al.

Scramble_J

July 25th, 2010
7:51 pm

Big Ray,

Any word on how Siler performs at the ft line?

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Astro Joe

July 25th, 2010
8:18 pm

Here’s hoping that all ends well in the case of Lo Wright’s disappearance. I have a half-dozen jokes, but I will reserve them until all is well.

There are plenty of interesting role players left to be had at SF and C (the positions I feel could use more depth). I would really like to see the Hawks invest a 2-year contract into a young big (like they tried unsuccessfully with RandMo). Preferrably someone with the agility to defend the pick and roll along with some shot-blocking skills (Jarmareo Davidson?). Strictly a practice player for next season but someone who could eventually crack the 9/10 spot on the roster at some point in the following season. You know, like pick #31 would have done (oops, did I bring that back up?)

Drew has fewer assistants than Woody, so I wonder if he is done with his staff or if he was told to make it work with fewer headcount? I’d love to see him add a recently retired player to help with some “personality” challenges. I’m thinking a guy like Darrell Armstrong, Lindsey Hunter or even Ty Lue (assuming that he is done which I think is a very safe assumption).

JSS

July 25th, 2010
8:24 pm

@ Scramble…
His FT stroke comes and goes depending on his PT…

niremetal

July 25th, 2010
9:27 pm

I just looked at Garret Siler, we should definitely get him, lose Morris, get Siler. He’s 7′1, 305, you can’t teach size and height people.

Say, has anyone seen Priest Lauderdale lately?

niremetal

July 25th, 2010
9:32 pm

Astro,

The Hawks have 4 assistant coaches: Lester Conner, Bob Bender, Tyrone Hill, and Greg Ballard. Where the hell did you get the idea that Drew is carrying fewer than Woody? Out of your ass, like most things you say?

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=6170

niremetal

July 25th, 2010
9:44 pm

Hey, I found Lauderdale. He’s playing in…wait for it…

CHINA

And he was putting up better stats than Siler. 20 and 13 instead of 14 and 9. That’s because the Chinese League is the equivalent of DIII ball.

I will give anyone 20:1 odds using real money that Siler never plays in an NBA rotation. He is a 7-foot tall American. Let me let you in on a little secret: 7-foot tall Americans do not go unnoticed by NBA scouts. Siler went undrafted and remains unsigned. It’s not because all the NBA scouts are stupid. It’s because Siler sucks.

SteveW

July 25th, 2010
10:09 pm

Sekou reports that Shaq is still being considered by the Hawks; we’ll see. Invite Siler. we seem to like to keep a local guy on the roster like Mario West to keep interest in the Hawks. Did we ever sign Collins? If so, with Powell, we only have 1 more roster spot left – I don’t think we’re going to 14 on the roster.

O'Brien

July 25th, 2010
10:13 pm

AJ,

A Guy that could have been the project center (at 31) was Dexter Pittman.

Ray,

If you are the reigning SMOY, and its a contract year, and there might be a new CBA with lower salaries, are you going to be happy with a 13 ppg average of the bench (even if you are more efficient).

I still believe that we should trade Jamal. With drew’s offense, we should not be as reliant on him off the bench. With mo Evans, Jordan Crawford and bibby off the bench, I think our backcourt will be fine.

My vote would be to trade him for a center and a SF (although I don’t know if rick tried to find a deal).

As for Marvin, I still think he will keep his starting spot even if he struggles in LD’s offense.

vava74

July 25th, 2010
10:46 pm

Nice work Ray. Keep it up.

steve brown

July 25th, 2010
11:13 pm

Too many mentions by you about trading Jamal Crawford. Either you are just plain ignorant or have personal issues with Jamal. Did he refuse to loan you money?

steve brown

July 25th, 2010
11:15 pm

No one has ever seen Drew’s “offense” but you have the vision to know who will and won’t thrive in an offense no one has seen. Give me a break!

N.D.T.K.A.

July 26th, 2010
12:23 am

Big Ray, I think when the Hawks traded for Jamal Crawford last year, Jamal stated that he wanted to win a championship and would do whatever was asked of him to win. Looking back at the early games of last season, when Jamal played he seemed to showcase his other skills such as passing to open guys off penetration and his pg skills as this was his role with the Knicks early on. I think Jamal will do whatever is asked of him, if he still is compelled to win, like he said last year. I think his dominating the ball was more a product of Woody’s offensive design with a win-now attitude and his iso-Jamal on the second unit.

Jamal should be fine in a motion offense with his quickness and decent ,but somewhat streaky, jumpshot. Set Jamal up to be traded for a nice piece or to dump Bibby’s salary at the trade deadline.

As far as big men I still have a problem with the Hawks not using those 2 picks this year for guys like Hassan Whiteside, Solomon Alabi, Dexter Pittman, or Jarvis Varnado.

These guys would have been nice big bodies coming off of the bench and would have been cheaper and probably a lot more athletic and quicker than some of the free agent guys we had no intention of signing anyway.

As was mentioned earlier, we are all tired of hearing about big guys being projects,not being NBA ready, or need to go over seas for a year or two. Second round picks go to other teams and get viable minutes. Why can’t the Hawks develop a second round or even a free agent big man? Do the players not have the skill or do the Hawks not have the capability to develop talent?

PUBLIX

July 26th, 2010
12:25 am

I agree with signing Siller. He is big and not too slow. I would look for a big time C to be his coach like Ewing in Orlando. Maybe try to get David Robinson to be his mentor. I have seen this kid play in real life and he is very teachable. What stands out about him is the way he respects everyone around him.

If we make a trade and give away Crawford, then why not try to add Zaza, Evans and Smith for CP3 and Okafor??

We’d have to go out and get Papa Sye at that point to stay here this year.

PG- CP3/Teague
SG- Johnson/Crawford
SF- Williams/
PF- Horford/Powell
C- Okafor/ Siller

I would definitely do that, and maybe NO would go for it considering that they would get two expiring contracts, a young C in Zaza, a future All-star in Smith, and a scoring threat in Crawford.

PUBLIX

July 26th, 2010
12:28 am

“nirmetal” I know you will add your two cents and try to be a smart ass again, and am fully aware that we can’t afford all that money to added but shut the hell up and keep kissing ass

niremetal

July 26th, 2010
1:17 am

Someone else want to take this one?

I Heart Atlanta

July 26th, 2010
2:04 am

Jamal Crawford is just as good at catching and shooting as Joe,
http://www.youtube.com/user/IHeartAtlanta27, this is my youtube channel and i made both mixes for joe and jamal and a good number of their threes as you will see came from catch and shoot situations……
My hope is the ownership will resign Jamal, he’s insisted he would like too stay here

Big Ray

July 26th, 2010
7:40 am

Niremetal ,

What I find interesting about that is that reportedly, NBA teams told Siler he should go and play there for a year. Could be false reporting or is it idiot team officials? I’m not prepared to make either statement.

On a side note, do you think Siler would be better, the same, or worse than Randolph Morris?

niremetal

July 26th, 2010
8:06 am

Ray,

What I find interesting about that is that reportedly, NBA teams told Siler he should go and play there for a year. Could be false reporting or is it idiot team officials?

You make it sound like that’s a compliment. I don’t think NBA team officials telling a player “go play somewhere else for a year, then we’ll talk” is a sign of confidence. If they thought he was an NBA-quality player or that he’d be one soon, they wouldn’t have shipped him off. Remember, the rationale was that he wasn’t even good enough for the D-League yet, and he’d be better off going somewhere a cut below that so he could get some playing time. That’s hardly a positive assessment.

Siler would be the same as Randolph Morris, I think – completely unable to contribute in a meaningful way beyond giving the team 6 more fouls.

Willie Coyote

July 26th, 2010
9:24 am

Jamal will do fine inthe offense because of his ability to score from everywhere on the floor.

When the Hawks shared the ball and swung it from side to side on the perimeter while Al and Josh attacked the basket, this team looked like it could compete with anyone. Why they always went away from it is baffeling and it is the reason why Mike Woodson is out of work.

Back to Jamal…This offense will not hurt his production at all as I stated above. It may lessen his importance to the team though. If the ball is swinging and people are getting open shots, the other Crawford could probably be a significant offensive contributor off the bench. Couple that with the availability of Bibby, Teague, and Evans; you could likely replace Jamal’s scoring (though his willingness to take and make pressure shots at the end of the game will have to be considered as well). If Jamal’s scoring can be replaced, then he is the Hawks most valuable trade chip not named Josh or Al.

I’d hate to see any of those guys go but if they do, you better get some serious value in return.

vava74

July 26th, 2010
9:27 am

Ray,

Back to the previous blog:

1. IMO You are waaaaaay too touchy sometimes and in particular with posts coming from certain bloggers, me included.

2. “He has a true center in Joakim Noah (7-footer who is a wonderful blend of athleticism, energy, desire, and passion) who is a great rebounder, passionate defender, and all-around good teammate (more than anything, a winning personality and attitude).”

If this is not a “(although I like Horford) Noah is more of a C than Al is” phrase, then… The key here is “true Center”.

Then, the number of accolades and the rhythm of the whole sentence is of an extreme enthusiasm that I never saw associated from you to Al.

Obviously you will continue to deny it… :-D

3. I apologize for “almost comparing” you with a chick in love. Apparently my humor was “out of bounds”. Again, too touchy in my opinion but you are entitled to have your boundaries.

I already learned that Sautee is very touchy too and not to be too playful with…

I also apologize for “interfering in a private discussion”.

4. I did not reply to OB because I already lose way too much time blogging. IMO, OB only “semi-caught” me, since:

The conclusions that I pointed out on his post had – IMO – absolutely no foundation, they were mere speculation.

My conclusions had a factual base since we have ample evidence and visible “clues” lying around on what is the typical reaction from free agents which have some “market value”:

In order to play for the Hawks they ask for more money or they reject the notion all together. So, having the Lakers in contention for his services it is CLEAR TO ME that Barnes would not come to us unless we grossly overpaid him. I think he is looking more for a ring than for a pay check or more playing time.

I should not take conclusions as well on my posts when I don’t have facts to back them, I acknowledge that, however, I don’t get offended when I get caught and I assume neither OB got offended for my post.

I take blogging as a hobby and an entertainment and I don’t have the patience to keep track of everything which goes around AND to always be ON TRACK when I post. Sometimes I do it with more “poise”, sometimes I just want to stir things up a bit.

O'Brien

July 26th, 2010
10:27 am

Ray,

I think MC should have asked you to fill in on the other blog, because Ken S has not filled in at all.

vava,

It’s cool. Most of what we state on these blogs is opinionated, even if there is more evidence to support one opinion over the other.

Many blogs ago, on MC’s blog, I suggested the Hawks give TMac a workout, because:

1) Hawks need a backup SF, and his price tag should be reasonable

2) he is low risk, high reward (if he is willing at accept a bench role)

3) marketability. he was almost voted an all star last year. And I think fans would come out to watch him, buy his jersey etc. Plus he may stil have some chinese fans from playing with Yao.

It will be interesting to see if he is healthy and signs with the Bulls.

niremetal

July 26th, 2010
10:42 am

Like signing Shaq, signing T-Mac would risk upsetting the locker room something fierce. ASG might be happy to get the piles of money in ticket sales and merchandising that would come from acquiring either of them, but I don’t think it would be a net gain for the team in either case. I’d be a bit more interested in T-Mac rather than Shaq, but remember how many spats T-Mac had with Adelman and Morey?

My concern about bringing in guys like that is that our team lacks a clear locker room leader right now, and we haven’t ever since Woody made the mistake of naming Joe and Harrington team captains 5 years ago. Horford is getting there, but I get the sense that he still doesn’t quite have the ear of the team’s veterans. Bring in a guy like T-Mac or Shaq, and I’m worried that Al’s progression as a leader gets set back.

niremetal

July 26th, 2010
10:43 am

* I don’t think it would be a net gain on the court for the team in either case.

Big Ray

July 26th, 2010
10:48 am

Niremetal ,

My point is that China is where it was suggested that he go for a year, to get some experience (what kind, I’m not sure) and then come back. I’m not sure how that sounded like a compliment. To me, it sounded like irony. Why would a team tell a player to do something that would not work towards his improvement, if Chinese League (or whatever it’s called) basketball is equivalent to the basketball he played in college (Division III)?

Vava ,

IMO You are waaaaaay too touchy sometimes and in particular with posts coming from certain bloggers, me included.

LOL. Few use as many colorful metaphors when describing another person’s opinion as you do. If I’m touchy, then you’re a drama queen, and I really do have to laugh at this entire conversation. Dude, I’m not touchy, I know we are all having fun and talking trash on here.

What you are experiencing is somebody responding to you in kind. You talk some noise, I talk some back, and that goes for anybody who wants to do it. But, you figures if somebody gives you back some of your own medicine, then they’re touchy. Seriously, all I can do is laugh at that. You know why? Because we’re all doing this on computer screens, meaning that we can’t hear each other’s voices or see the looks on each other’s faces. So how could you possibly know what somebody is really feeling unless they tell you?

On the flip side, what I don’t like is when I say something, a person misinterprets it, then I explain what I was saying….and that person insists on pushing their misinterpretation of what I said. That’s annoying. It’s the same thing as putting words in somebody’s mouth.

Then, the number of accolades and the rhythm of the whole sentence is of an extreme enthusiasm that I never saw associated from you to Al.

Obviously you will continue to deny it…

You’re right, I will continue to deny that which isn’t true. I’m not being touchy (just so you know, because you seem sensitive about that), I’m just telling it like it is. Either you can handle that, or you can’t. Because, you are simply wrong. If you’ve never seen me so enthusiastic about Al Horford, then you’ve missed a lot. That’s all I can tell you on that particular subject, and it’s all I have left to say. If you want to continue that part of the conversation, you’ll be talking to yourself, in which case you and dear ol’ Truth Serum should get along great. :lol:

And no, I don’t care if you barge in on somebody else’s conversation. It’s a blog, we all do it. But as we all also know, you might want to check the context of the conversation before jumping in.

Or, you might get touched. Touching, isn’t it? ;)

Astro Joe

July 26th, 2010
10:53 am

nire, you would be shocked how often you are wrong about stuff if you could engage in some self-actualization.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16745

Ballard will serve as an advanced scout in his seventh year with the club.

So if Connor replaced Drew as the lead assistant, who replaced Jim Todd?

I’ll await the smugness.

vava74

July 26th, 2010
10:54 am

I would consider T-Mac if we got any serious hint that:

a) He is healthy enough to contribute.
b) He is clear that he must be the best behaved dude in the locker room.

However, I doubt that T-Mac would convey any reassurance of b) since his overall attitude in the past has been mostly bad and he would have a hard time proving otherwise.

Astro Joe

July 26th, 2010
11:03 am

Evidently Sekou tweeted that Shaq to the Hawks isn’t completely dead yet. I’m still pondering the business plan that calls for spending more money on salaries without a clear path for increasing revenue. Unless the minimum wage head coach is supposed to deliver the revenue from his pentangle offense. Maybe someone more well-versed in how sports franchises make money can explain how you bring back 9 of 10 top players, 4 of 5 coaches and expect to increase from around 20th in home attendance. My feeble brain isn’t able to make that equation work.

Bring in Shaq because this city will buy more tickets with Shaq on board than they will with the current roster singing Kumbayah in the locker-room before/after every game. It’s not as if this roster in complete harmony will likely make the ECF, so follow the money and bring in Shaq. Heck, add AI too if he’s sober.

Melvin

July 26th, 2010
11:10 am

TMac is on record saying that he doesn’t care about money and length of contract and willing to accept a reduce roll. I guess we will see. However, I wouldn’t mind seeing him a Hawks uniform. Low risk/high reward.

As for Siler, I read somewhere last summer (too lazy to research it) that he started playing B-ball in college where he lost a considerable amount of weight (i think somewhere around 100lbs). What type of realistic expectations can you have on a guy with that amount of experience to play at the high level? I think it’s testament to him that he’s able to play professional b-ball for a living. I would take that kid over RandMo and possible Collins at this point in his career…

Melvin

July 26th, 2010
11:13 am

“singing Kumbayah in the locker-room before/after every game.”

Kicking my desk, laughing so hard… Astro, That was a classsic….

niremetal

July 26th, 2010
12:10 pm

Astro,

Sorry to have snapped at you, but yours is the first link I’ve seen that says Ballard is still “just” a scout. I will wait for you to post links showing that the Hawks had 4 assistant coaches last year and only have 3 this year. I don’t think that Ballard had the title of assistant coach before, and he does now. It was my understanding that Todd moved on, Hill moved one seat over, and Ballard was promoted from being “just” the lead advance scout (a position that an Asst Coach usually takes) to being a full-time assistant coach as well (which is the way most teams do it). The main difference is that advance scouts don’t always travel with the team while assistant coaches do. The Lakers have always carried 3 “assistants only” + 1 assistant/advance scout combo using that set up (Bertka held the Ballard position for years). In any case, we can post competing links all we want – I’ve seen 2 that refer to Ballard as just a scout and 2 that refer to him as an assistant coach.

As for Shaq. Well as usual, you disparage the Hawks’ roster and argue that the Hawks can’t possibly get better than they were last year, despite the fact that you’ve argued the same thing and been wrong every single year that I remember. I think this time has the talent to get to the ECF with this roster. I think that adding Shaq will lead to recriminations and acrimony if the team loses a couple in a row in the playoffs. I don’t think that fans will pay to a team that has Shaq but is worse off because of it, and I think that would be the case if Shaq came here.

Ray,

Why would a team tell a player to do something that would not work towards his improvement, if Chinese League (or whatever it’s called) basketball is equivalent to the basketball he played in college (Division III)?

I thought I answered that. I think that playing in the CBA did/would help Siler improve – just not noticeably more than another year of D3 ball would have. Siler wasn’t ready for the NBA yet. He also wasn’t good enough to play in the D-League or for a top-tier Euroleague team. So the front office people told him to go to China, which is probably the lowest-level pro league worldwide that NBA scouts regularly monitor.

It was not a compliment, and I don’t see how irony enters into it at all. You don’t tell someone to play in China if they are remotely close to being ready to play in the NBA. You tell them to go there if they are a long-shot to make an NBA roster someday. The Hawks encouraged Gladyr and Akyol to play in top-level Euro leagues, which offer a much higher caliber of competition. They probably will do the same with Pape Sy. It’s telling that the suggestion for Siler was that he go to the much, much lower-caliber CBA rather than Europe.

O'Brien

July 26th, 2010
12:10 pm

Melvin, vava

Also, TMac is said to be interested in playing for Chicago, where Deng is clearly entrenched as the starting SF, and at SG, they have Korver and Brewer. He has said he doesnt care about the money, and we know he wants to win (he has never made it past the first round).

I understand that we need to be careful of team chemistry, but if the ASG continue to like their core, and continue to want to avoid luxury tax, then I think they should be willing to take some chances (low risk, high reward) on some guys.

AJ,

The ASG might be expecting an increase in attendance because payroll has increased (from late teens to #10 or so).