Summer’s first glimpse

The Hawks’ first summer league game was rather interesting. I watched it live on my computer, and it was definitely worth taking the time to do. For those who missed it, I don’t know if it is, or will be playing on NBATV later, but if you get a chance to watch any of these games, I don’t think you’ll come away disappointed. No, it’s not regular season NBA basketball.  But it is a first glimpse at what the Hawks are going to be doing differently this season, and as AJC Hawks beat writer Michael Cunningham’s  first hand account shows, there is something to look forward to. At any rate, here are my observations of the game.

Guards

Jeff Teague looked pretty comfortable all game, but he still looked like he was deferring at times. Maybe it was just him giving the ball up quicker than I thought he should here and there, or maybe it was what he was supposed to do in the offensive set. At the same time, he wasn’t tentative, cutting into the teeth of the defense at will, and dishing off to his frontcourt teammates quite a bit. Of course, a lot of what we saw last season happened: Teague would make an excellent feed to a teammate who would bungle the ball and lose the opportunity. With the exception of a costly turnover late in the game (the Hawks had rallied from a halftime deficit of about 16 points and tied the game at 83), he played under control, despite having the speed edge on just about everybody. His shot looked a bit better, and he hit more than he missed, including a beautiful jab step, step-back move that ended in a 3 pointer over a bewildered defender. Perhaps most impressive (besides his passing and driving) was Teague’s defense on OJ Mayo. For the most part, Mayo needed screen after screen to separate himself from Teague. If Jeff continues to drive and dish, and learn to create space for himself for perimeter shots, he’ll be more than fine. He’ll be dangerous. But it’s still early, and he still has work to do.

Pape Sy can “D” it up, plain and simple. Every now and then he will get swallowed up by a good screen, but he also shows a propensity for fighting through those. His length and quickness bother opposing players, and he doesn’t give up on a play easily. On offense, he can turn the corner quickly. However, he has to learn to wait for a big man to get his feet set before using the screen. Also, he seemed to struggle a little when he couldn’t get the separation he wanted to get his shot off. This caused him to pass the ball off more, but the good news is that he did drive more than he tried shooting from the outside. It will be good to see him after another year of seasoning in the European leagues. I think his defense and fairly good ball-handling will serve him well. If he works on his shot, we could have quite a steal on our hands.

Jordan Crawford’s game should have no problems translating to the next level, and I think we will see even more out of him in following summer league games. Others may disagree, but I’d argue that his play was as good as Teague’s, and perhaps better. As Teague himself commented, the kid can pass the ball pretty well. His court vision and awareness is higher than I thought it would be. He didn’t try to hog the ball, but he also was completely fearless when it came to taking shots. His first couple of bombs from long range were nothing but net, and he looked comfortable almost all of the time. I know it’s only one summer league game, and the competition isn’t the stiffest by far. Yet, I’ve seen several other summer league games and there have been higher ranked prospects that didn’t look as good. Crawford will take some ill-advised shots every now and again, but I think that’s something a person with a scorer’s mentality has to learn and overcome. There is NO doubt he has a scorer’s mentality. But a ball hog he is not. Again, he’s a much more willing and effective passer than anticipated. I’m looking forward to seeing more of him. Defensively, he can get it done better than I thought, but he has quite a ways to go. His lateral quickness and quick hands will be an asset, but he has to work on his fundamentals and stay locked in. I have no doubts though, that assistant coach Conner will be all over that.

Sergei Gladyr can really shoot it, and he gives some effort on defense (though it usually resulted in a foul). However, he’ll need to visit a weight room frequently, and might want to start having meals with Jason Collins. The kid is too weak physically to do much in the league right now. He might be a full two years away from contributing to the Hawks, but in the meantime, he’ll have to fill that frame out.

Luke Jackson is going to have a rough time getting back into the league, especially with many teams possibly deciding to carry closer to 13 players, rather than 15. He can hit the 3 ball when open, but isn’t showing himself to be any more of a sure threat than Gladyr was. When forced to put the ball on the floor, he ended up passing it or turning it over. I’ll give him an “A” for effort on defense, but the difference between him and Gladyr in that segment was Jackson was able to deliver harder fouls. I wish him the best, and he’s clearly a team player, but I can’t see him contributing much on this team. He needs to show that he’s rock solid in one or two categories, or he’s going to have a hard time winning a job anywhere. Then again, this is just one game. And he WAS part of the rally the Hawks put up last night.

Frontcourt

I’ll put this bluntly – Randolph Morris looked like an undrafted prospect who was hoping to catch on and get sent to somebody’s D-League affiliate. From getting called for a charge, to hacking at some little-known prospect, he couldn’t stay on the court long enough to show much of anything other than the ability to get a rebound or two. I don’t know what this guy’s deal is. He has skills, to some extent. Unfortunately, the ability to collect mindless fouls is the foremost “skill” he has.

James Augustine is a hustler, but he doesn’t play as under control as you’d like. All the same, his willingness to bang and defend are admirable. He’ll find a spot at the end of somebody’s bench, or maybe get a starter’s role in the D-League while waiting to be called up when somebody gets injured. He actually looked better than Morris did, but I don’t know if that’s even a compliment. If he can play a little less wildly, he’s worth a 14th spot, I reckon.

Alade Aminu reminded me a little of Solomon Jones. Slender, with some hops, and he gets buckets when he’s close to the rim. As a big man, however, you have to be able to do more than just run the floor and finish (unless you’re an exceptional finisher). Aminu could develop into a decent rebounder if he adds some bulk and uses his quick hops to his advantage. Another guy who looks more deserving of the “end of the bench” spot than Morris. Yes, I’m that annoyed with how Morris “played”, if you can call it that.

Finally there was Richard Hendrix, a Sheldon Williams type (big, soft hands, slightly undersized with some bulk and a nice wingspan), as bad as that reference may be. He bears some paying attention to, but the Hawks may not grab any of these guys when it’s all said and done. I think Aminu and Hendrix have the best shots so far, but both guys will have to show that they can come into a game and contribute right away. When your minutes are going to be few and far between, you need to show the ability to make an impact when you step on the court. Struggling through a first half and coming back in a second half isn’t going to cut it.

 

Sideline Influence

If this is any indication of things to come, you’re going to like the Hawks’ new offensive gameplan. Ball movement, screens, personnel movement….it’s all there. At the same time, a bit of perspective is needed. Summer league players (even the NBA sophomore types) are more likely to do what they’re taught in practices. NBA veterans are a different lot. Habits are harder to break, and you have to get them to buy into what you’re doing. Having said that, if you apply the talent of the rotation players to the offensive scheme, I think you’ll like what you see.

For those who saw the game, please add your thoughts and perspectives to the pot!

158 comments Add your comment

NC Braves Fan

July 13th, 2010
11:27 am

Good stuff, Ray! I especially like the last paragraphs about veteran players buying in. Have to believe JJ heard LD’s ideas and is on board – a definite positive. I’ll have to check out one of the SL games and see how things look.

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
11:37 am

Ray, I only saw the first quarter of the game but I support your comments. i was REALLY impressed by Crawford and ready to immediately send RandMo home after watching him hack-a-lot in the freaking summer league. He looks destined for a long career overseas, as I’m not even sure that he has the lateral quickness to play defense in the D League.

Of course, guards always look better in Summer Leagues than bigs. But I really didn’t see any big on the Hawks squad that had be excited. In fact, I was mostly annoyed that our bigs couldn’t rebound the ball consistently. Where’s Esteban Batista?

Veteran Fan

July 13th, 2010
11:40 am

The problem with ball movement and player motion is Josh Smith! He is not a good passer and when he moves he is effective on offense! Key phrase “when he moves”! He has to move as he has not developed any outside shot at all to keep the defense honest! I hope LD can coach him as others have tried and we seem to be stuck with him!

vava74

July 13th, 2010
11:45 am

Esteban Batista was the second best C in the Spanish League last year, almost matching the Spurs’ bound Thiago Splitter’s offensive stats and beating his defensive (rebounds and blocks).

Yes, we need a banger, someone with a lust for blood, a large and wide ass and sharp elbows…

vava74

July 13th, 2010
11:48 am

VF,

Josh showed this year a good inclination to share the ball and make good passes.

His problem was not knowing NOT TO FORCE passes: high risk and low reward dishes.

Sometimes he thinks he is Magic when in fact he should emulate Rodman…

Melvin

July 13th, 2010
11:50 am

Ray,

I agreed on a lot of your observations from last night game. Although I only watched the 1st half I like the little I saw of LD offense. There was plenty of player movement. I noticed he had the SF running baseline to baseline and I couldn’t help but imagine Chills filling that role. Playing on the baseline was Chills strength.

JSS_62

July 13th, 2010
11:59 am

$2.4 Million dollars!!! I guess that says it all! I wonder when the next plane to Tel Aviv leaves?

I guess something good came of my time in Europe last Summer, glad you guys are liking “Le Pop.”

vava74

July 13th, 2010
12:02 pm

Ray,

That drop step trey from Teague seems to be one of his trademark moves, at least it looks so by watching his WF highlights.

We never got to see him do that move last year and you can sense that he only does it when he is comfortable.

I have never been much of a baller (beyond awful is an understatement), however, even being a completely useless player, when I did played a bit I had my own “pet moves”.

Some of them looked terribly awkward – like a baseline turnaround J in which instead of turning into the baseline, I faked the move and turned inbound. It looked terribly odd and it seemed (and was) easy to defend, but I felt comfortable doing it and it worked well 2 or 3 times in until the defense caught with it.

That drop step trey felt like that to me as an observer: I don’t think he will be able to coax the defender too many times in a game, but I am sure that he will get at least a couple of looks per game.

austin

July 13th, 2010
12:05 pm

im liking what im hearing from summer league. big ray, are there any talks among the hawks and other teams at summer league about possible trades??? would like to know that. thanks and great article

O'Brien

July 13th, 2010
12:52 pm

Teague still needs to work on his offense (aggressiveness, and shot making), but with more practice, and continued reassurance from Drew, it will come.

As much as I like JC2, the Hawks don’t need another scoring guard off the bench (not this year anyway). We already have JJ and Jamal at SG, so where will JC2 get minutes?

We need to improve our production at SF (Marvin and Mo Evans did not get it done consistently), and we need help in the frontcourt.

IMO, those are the 2 main areas of need (along with a perimeter defender) that Sund needs to address.

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
12:56 pm

vava, the last home game I attended, I watched Teague practice that drop step trey during the pre-game warm-ups. I remember wishing that he had someone passing him the ball so that he could work on catch and shoot. He has a very low release on his shot, so I guess he has to practice maneuvers that allow him to get separation on his shot.

Melvin

July 13th, 2010
12:57 pm

Sekou’s podcast.

Doc, checkout what Sekou said Chills around the 40min mark…

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/07/13/hang-time-podcast-episode-17/

Melvin

July 13th, 2010
1:00 pm

Link to Dennis Scott interview. He talks about Shaq.

http://www.790thezone.com/instantreplay/Episodes.aspx?PID=1345

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
1:02 pm

OB, on court production from the SF will likely be the head coach’s job, not the GM. I want the GM to focus on bringing in big bodies with enough juice on their legs that they can keep Horford happy (by helping to bang under the boards). The pentangle will address offensive production…. but where are we getting help on the boards? It’s not coming from RandMo, that’s for dang sure.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2010
1:18 pm

AJ,

And our help is not really coming from ZaZa either. After seeing Kurt Thomas first hand in the playoffs, I’m surprised the Hawks are not one of teams that have been talking to him.

From the previous blog;

Interesting stat: Anthony Tolliver, a 6’11” center, played 46 games, averaging 31 mpg (12 ppg, 7 rpg). But he made 50-152 3pt FG. Marvin played 81 games, averaged 31 mpg, and made 40-132 3pt FGs.

Assuming we dont end up with Shaq, I like Anthony Tolliver and his ability to stretch the floor. Plus he made the minimum last year. Sign him up, and then sign another wide body down low.

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
1:53 pm

I like Tolliver, although 3 3FGAs per game seems excessive for a big man. But he does bang down low and should be reasonably priced. I doubt that he is a legit 6′11″, probably closer to 6′9″. Zaza suffered from playing behind an All-Star center and not adjusting to his new role until too late in the season. But my sense is that Horford wants fewer minutes at C this season, so the bigs on the bench will be critical to keeping our All Star center happy. If we can’t get a truly effective center via a trade, then I would go with 2 capable younger big bodies like Tolliver, Joel Anthony, Chris Hunter or (and I can’t believe I am about to write this) Shelden Williams. I’m guessing that Drew will more likely keep Teague or Bibby on the floor so Joe will spend some more time at SF (with Jamal at SG). So let’s just load up on 2-3 big bodies, maybe 2 younger and one old head like Kurt Thomas, Jason Collins or Jamal Magloire. And again, invite Kenny Thomas in for the vet’s camp and see if he has anything left in those injured legs.

Big Ray

July 13th, 2010
2:12 pm

NC Braves Fan

The SL games are worth checking out, for once. I do recommend it.

O’brien ,

That’s one way of looking at it for sure. Crawford does seem to be headed for a role already occupied by Jamal. However, having a player like this who can fill such a role, gives you options. Though Jordan wouldn’t be able to do for us what Jamal does now , he may be able to provide some of that sooner than we think (though it’s still too very early to say). And while I have no desire to ship off a first round prospect with true potential, it’s always good to have something other teams want/are interested in.

Big Ray

July 13th, 2010
2:19 pm

Austin ,

Thanks, and welcome to The Nest. I have no knowledge of any trade talks right now, and Sund has played things pretty close to his vest. I think there isn’t enough worthwhile interest in a veteran like Mike Bibby, for most teams. I think the Hawks want to hang onto Marvin for the time being (we can only hope that Larry Drew can get more out of him than he produced last season), Mo Evans chose to stay (meaning he can’t get that money elsewhere and other teams are probably only mildly interested), Zaza is an organization favorite, and I think they value Jamal pretty highly.

So any trades would have to be a little lop-sided in our favor, or nearly perfectly meet a need without giving up much of what is being called our “core.” I think free agency will remain the story around here, and hopefully that turns out better than it’s looking right now.

JSS_62 ,

$2.4 million for what? And yeah, we are beginning to like what we see of “Le Pop.” Too bad he has a year left on his contract. Then again, it will probably work out for the best, seeing as how he’d have a rough time seeing the court with the crowded backcourt we currently have.

Big Ray

July 13th, 2010
2:30 pm

AJ ,

I like the idea of adding Tolliver as well. I think we’re all but done with Shaq, or so my gut instinct tells me (that could just be gas…you never know). Something tells me Tolliver’s 3 point attempts have as much to do with playing in Don Nelson’s offense as it does him having the ability to shoot from that distance. I look at some of his games from the past season, and two things immediately stand out to me: One, he rebounds. The kid got double figure rebounds in 13 contests last season. In another 6 games, he got at least 8 rebounds. One of them was a 21 rebound performance against Dallas, 13 of them defensive rebounds. Two, when he gets to the line, he hits his free throws most of the time. On the downside, his shooting percentage is nothing to write home about. I smell excessive jumpers in the Nelson system (as his 3 point attempts would suggest), something a guy like Larry Drew might be inclined to help him curb a bit.

But I won’t bark too much about a big guy who can actually shoot some. And again: he rebounds.

I like your idea of grabbing a couple of big body types if we can’t get that “true center” type. In fact, I figure that’s where we’re headed anyway, intentionally or unintentionally. And I’d rather it be THAT way than to overpay for a center who won’t do what we need him to do (or won’t fit), or settle for minimum salary slugs that sit on the end of the bench talking trash.

niremetal

July 13th, 2010
2:31 pm

Sekou and Lang got it right with Chills as far as how it worked out for him. He basically got a 2 yr/$20M contract in Greece and is now coming back to get basically the same deal (5/$34M) that he was offered by the Hawks back in 2008 (5/$33M). Except now, that contract runs through age 32 instead of age 30, and he earned more money in 2 years there than he could have hoped to make in 3 years here. Good move for him financially, no doubt.

Big Ray

July 13th, 2010
2:32 pm

I’d go for a group that includes Tolliver, Kurt Thomas/Jamal Magloire, and Joel Anthony.

Jettison Jason Collins (unless he loses 40 lbs and gets into gear), Joe Smith (he may be completely out of juice by now), and most especially RandMo.

And yeah, Sheldon is better than RandMo. Ouch.

Big Ray

July 13th, 2010
2:37 pm

Here’s the line on Tolliver, according to Draftexpress.com:

6′8.5″, 245 lbs, 7′2.5″ wingspan. Hard to beat those physical measurements when you’re talking a PF who is typically slated as “undersized” due to height. He’s got the physical strength, as well. On to the analysis:

“D-League Showcase Scouting Reports
January 9, 2010

Rarely a three-point shooter in college, Anthony Tolliver has become somewhat of a specialist in his time between the NBA and NBADL the past two seasons. A very long PF/C without great height and with just decent athleticism, Tolliver provides his worth by being an efficient scorer, good rebounder, and a very smart player, having good passing skills and fundamentals for a big man.

After a very strong first game here in Boise, Tolliver didn’t have the greatest of second games, shooting 5-of-18 from the field, but still managing to post 19 points and 14 rebounds. On the season, Tolliver is taking about half of his attempts from behind the three-point arc, where he is a very reliable spot-up shooter and can even pull up a bit in space.

As for the rest of his offense, Tolliver shows flashes of post and face-up game, but he’s not particularly consistent with either, and these aren’t segments of his games that project to be very reliable in the NBA.

Defensively, Tolliver is pretty attentive, making most of the rotations, putting in the effort, and playing smart overall defense, but he doesn’t appear suited to defend power forwards on the perimeter, being fairly slow-footed. He’s a solid post defender and very good on the defensive boards, however.

Tolliver was already called up to the Portland Trail Blazers for a few days this season, and spent part of last season with the Spurs, so it won’t be surprising to see him get another shot before this season is over, if not more than one. He has a pretty clearly defined skillset, providing value mainly through three-point shooting and the defensive glass, as well as by being an extremely high character individual, so if a team is looking for those attributes and is capable of masking some of his deficiencies, he could provide a good fit somewhere as a 12th man or even a little more if the team is battling injuries.

And that was before he put up the numbers he did in Golden State. For the rest of the article and profile – http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Anthony-Tolliver-1279/

Big Ray

July 13th, 2010
2:38 pm

That’s great for Chills.

And what do we get out of it? Remains to be seen….

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
3:05 pm

Ray, thanks for the Tolliver analysis. When I saw play well against us last year (as a member of the Warriors), I was reminded of Chris Gatling. Maybe the uniform made me think of that comparison.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2010
3:05 pm

From dallasbasketball.com;

“On the basis of his experience,’’ Nowitzki said of O’Neal, “he would be a great addition to our team. He is still a dominant center, and opens space for others.’’

So Dirk likes Shaq, and Shaq likes Mark Cuban. Is it a match? When do the Hawks move on?

As bad as Golden State have been, they have found some cheap talent at times. They drafted Monta Ellis in the second round (we drafted Salim), they signed an undrafted Anthony Morrow, and they signed an undrafted Tolliver who couldn’t stick with Cleveland, Spurs, Hornets, or Blazers.

I prefer Tolliver instead of Big Z (who we were interested in at the trade deadline). And since he made the minimum, he can’t be that expensive. I also like Joel Anthony, but I think he goes back to Miami. Chris Hunter would be okay too. But NO to Shelden.

One guy who is available that I think would be a good backup PF is Craig Smith from the Clippers. But I wonder if the Hawks are looking at backup PFs or just centers.

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
3:29 pm

OB, GS also found Gilbert Arenas (before he turned into RamBro).

Don’t be surprised if Sund is waiting for some resolution on Erick Dampier. Rumor has it that if the Mavs can’t trade his non-guaranteed contract, that they will cut him loose andmake him a UFA. Then, any team can go after him. So Sund, with limited chips, may be waiting for the Mavs to make their move on Dampier. If Shaq does to Dallas, then the Dampier move would seemingly come a few days later.

mountain_jim

July 13th, 2010
3:40 pm

Folks either at an ajc blog or hawksquawk, the night of that draft, were real sorry we did not take Monta Ellis with that 2nd pick. Once again some fans here knew better than BK what to do with a draft pick. At least he took Horford over the the PG Conley that many here were wanting….

O'Brien

July 13th, 2010
3:51 pm

AJ,

The problem with waiting is we don’t know If the Guy we want will choose us. I can see dampier trying to go to Miami (if they haven’t signed 2 centers by then). Cleveland needs a center too.

I would like to see sund be proactive instead of reactive.

newkid

July 13th, 2010
3:55 pm

Bodies on the move today; call it moving day. Dampier and pieces to Charlotte; Chandler and the French kid to the Mavs; Jefferson to Utah; and no one as yet to Atlanta.

newkid

July 13th, 2010
3:56 pm

An omission: Z to the Heat.

Melvin

July 13th, 2010
4:01 pm

Damn, Dallas got Chandler and Haywood. Both guys plays D.Howard well… And the Hawks have a PTE…

O'Brien

July 13th, 2010
4:05 pm

newkid,

Not only is Atlanta not making any moves, are we even on anybody’s radar? I remember reading that we may or may not have interest in Shaq, and we may have some interest in Tolliver. But other than that, all we have done is resigned JJ.

With Dallas getting Chandler, they have reportedly offered the MLE to Al Harrington. Dallas needs the size to matchup with the Lakers too. And Harrington gives them another scorer. They still need some defense though.

I know that I am one of many impatient fans, so hopefully Sund will suprise us with a well calculated move this off-season. After all, he got Mo Evans in late July and Flip in early August, so there is still time.

WWSD.

Melvin

July 13th, 2010
4:07 pm

Since some of you guys want to go the project route (Tolliver/Aminu), than I think the Hawks should sign the 7-4 guy on the Mavs SL team. He’s agile and can block shots while kneeling on his knees….

MannyT

July 13th, 2010
4:08 pm

When you only have exceptions, getting players is all about relationships and recruiting. Those have not been strong suits here in the past. Now is the time for Arn Tellum (JJ agent) to get on the phone and help JJ recruit some guys

Looking at his client list http://hoopshype.com/agents/arn_tellem.htm I’m thinking this means we get J. Collins back.

@newkid–you don’t appreciate Sund’s methods. There will be a borderline useful guy who is very uncomfortable at the end of July. We will get him at a bargain price.

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
4:08 pm

daldridgetnt It’s a two-year deal for $2.8 million, second year Ilgauskas’s option. Denver, Boston, Atlanta all went hard at Z, but LeBron made the diff.
12 minutes ago via web
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daldridgetnt Z’s agent, Herb Rudoy, on Ilgauskas to Heat: “He wants an opportunity to win a championship. He gave Cleveland 14 great years”..

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
4:09 pm

The Charlotte Bobcats have traded center Tyson Chandler(notes) and Alex Ajinca to the Dallas Mavericks for Erick Dampier(notes), Matt Carroll(notes) and Eduardo Najera(notes), a league source tells Yahoo! Sports.

The Bobcats are “very likely” to waive Dampier and his $13 million non-guaranteed contract for the 2010-11 season, a league source said.

MannyT

July 13th, 2010
4:10 pm

@Melvin, The worst part about a TPE is that you have to get in the trade game for it to matter. When the TPE is well below the MLE, it doesn’t have that much leverage to it. The Hawks might have been better off getting PHO to send a big man our way instead. Not exciting, but at least you know there is a player to play, trade or cut.

Melvin

July 13th, 2010
4:11 pm

OB,

I spoke to my Ticket Rep this afternoon. He said the rumor is that the Hawks offer Shaq. I told him to call me back after we signed SHAQ. He said if they do, he will….. Let me add, he wasn’t too confident in saying that but that was before the Chandler trade went thru.

newkid

July 13th, 2010
4:16 pm

OB, seems it’s a case of Sund and Penderfeller continuing to use the old mid-20th century rotary phones of Sund’s youth, while all the other front offices in the league have long since discovered the benefits of the most advanced PDA’s.

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
4:16 pm

Go HARD after Dampier. Unless, of course, the suddenly single Shaq rediuces his asking price. After all, Shaq is getting NO love… only one suitor left holding a bouquet for the Big Bachelor.

JSS_62

July 13th, 2010
4:18 pm

@ Big Ray…
“$2.4 million” is about the amount we were held hostage in cap holds on “developing” Randolph Morris over the last two years…

Pape, who was ridiculed by a vocal group. “Poppy Seed” I think was the term? I understand selling the other pick, but I sure would have liked to have gotten a big. I just know that they still can’t be fooled by Morris? Well can they?

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
4:19 pm

Manny, yessir, I said yesterday that Dudley would have been a good return for the Hawks. A tangible asset (and good perimeter defender).

Maybe we can acquire Adam Morrison with out TPE. Don’t we need a shooter to back-up Marvin?

newkid

July 13th, 2010
4:21 pm

MannyT, that’s the approach I used to get my junior prom date. Didn’t work too well. Senior year approach was altogether different, a little more costly, but SO worth it.

D.S.G.B.

July 13th, 2010
4:23 pm

i really liked how comfortable jordan crawford looked on the floor. i think he will do just fine at the next level. i would like to see teague press the issue more and get his own shot. i think that he has the potential to do in atl what rondo does in boston, while being a threat from the outside as well. i was impressed pape sy, and with his size, length, handles, and tenacity, i think he would be best suited to come in behind marvin at the 3 and reak some havoc. as far as bigs go i liked aminu, but i particularly liked james augustine i would like to see him make the team and come in behind al. he has alot of energy, and he hustles. i see in him kind of like our own little varejao.

Astro Joe

July 13th, 2010
4:33 pm

So Miami’s bench may include Ilgauskas/Haslem (one may start), Varnado and Dexter Pittman.. for now. And we have Zaza. Strange that Riley found time to add like 6-7 players to his squad in 5 days and we only dumped Chill and re-signed Joe. Oh well, I’ll be first in line to welcome Shelden and Lorenzen back to the family. Maybe they can bring Ty Lue or Ant Johnson with them.

newkid

July 13th, 2010
4:47 pm

Let’s not forget the rationale for the ‘fiasco @ 31′ was to generate dollars (presumably not otherwise available to the ASG) to help compensate veteran players the ASG would bring in during free agency or via trade. And some of us drank the koolaid.

MannyT

July 13th, 2010
4:55 pm

I think part of Z to Miami is seeing how Cap’t Dan showed his looney cards. Probably won’t be as fun a place this season.

@newkid. LOL Maybe you should have worked some other leagues (schools) for that Jr Prom date.

@Astro–Riley can add, because he’s got guys that attract other guys. We haven’t attracted free agents this decade except for JJ. Morrison is a free agent so no TPE. He is auditioning for a new gig in Vegas.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/07/wizards-work-out-adam-morrisio.html

The Real JC

July 13th, 2010
5:21 pm

@newkid – free agency isn’t over yet. Not saying that it might not still end up a fiasco, but it was very unlikely that we would’ve gotten immediate production with the 31 pick, so if $3 mil + goes to a journeyman vet who can produce immediately, even if it’s modest production, it’ll be worth it.

i_am_soulstar

July 13th, 2010
6:58 pm

“The Bobcats are “very likely” to waive Dampier and his non-guaranteed $13 million salary for next season, a source tells Y!”

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

i_am_soulstar

July 13th, 2010
7:00 pm

“The Bobcats are “very likely” to waive Dampier and his non-guaranteed $13 million salary for next season, a source tells Y!”

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

If this happens, the Hawks should get this guy for the MLE.