Hawks must examine their core

But first…

Okay, so now we know Lebron is going to play for Miami. Talent-wise, we know the southeast division just got a lot tougher. But, if there’s one guy I may not want to be right now, it’s Eric Spoelstra. Now he has two and a half big egos to manage. That’s if he even gets that far. For all we know, Big Boss Pat Riley could decide to swoop back to the sideline to get himself another ring (or three), particularly if the Heat don’t start the season 25-0. It would certainly seem that the balance of power in the NBA has shifted. The irony of it all? Well, let’s just say that in the Southeast division, much less the East, having a center who can deal with Dwight Howard is no longer the biggest issue. On the other hand, we also now know Lebron for who and what he is. The best players in the game, the guys who headline the hall of fame…they work to be the best. They look to lead and will their teams to victory. I thought Lebron would be one of those guys. Bosh claimed to want to be one of those guys. Clearly, neither guy is on that level.

And the Cleveland fans? They deserved better. Oh well, moving on, and I’ll let the real basketball experts say their piece on this one.

Cliched Redundancy

With  Joe putting the ink on his huge new contract, the Hawks look to push on in free agency and possibly trade exploration. At Joe’s signing came some familar verbage, however. That’s right, the whole business of making sure the “core” remains intact. But should that be the goal? Keeping Joe Johnson around doesn’t make this team better, but it does provide some stability and all-star power. How does keeping the exact same guys around lead to a deeper playoff push? As has been discussed ad nauseum, changing head coaches is only a step in a different direction. Changing players has to be next.

 

Fix the Bench

As important as reserve players can be, they just don’t play the bulk of the minutes in NBA games. On most teams, the first five are the guys on the court the most. Some teams have a sixth man who plays around 30 minutes a game. And, they might have another guy who gets 20 minutes. More often than not, a rotation of guys playing at least 20 minutes per game each, doesn’t go beyond 7 guys. You may or may not find an eighth man in that bunch, but I think that to be a rare case (research guys, correct me if I’m wrong). So why focus on the bench?

Depth is important, but quality depth is the goal. You need guys who can come into the game and either provide a spark or a change of pace. Or, you just need them to steadily hold the line until the starters have had their rest. In some cases, you need your reserves to fill in when an injury occurs. But, you also need guys that fit your scheme, and bring things that you may not have as much of in your starting lineup. The Hawks need better defenders in the backcourt and on the wing, but they also need some roughnecks in the post. Adding such elements will help the team push farther and compete better. But the fact remains – reserves only play so much. That’s why they’re called reserves.

 

The Core of the Problem

For the Hawks to be a better team, and compete better in the playoffs, the core has to be better. But how do you make it better? Is keeping this so-called core group of players together the best way to go, or should the Hawks think about tinkering with this group? Like it or not, the five (or maybe six) guys who spend the most time on the court are going to be the difference night in and night out. They will determine where this team goes. The biggest problems with this team are within this group. The players themselves have to be determined to get better, on an individual level. The only other way it can happen is if….

The core is changed. Now is the time to examine this. Hawks ownership and management constantly say they want to be winners. They have to decide if they think they can truly win with the group they currently have. Can they compete? Yes, we’ve seen that in the regular season. Can they take the next step? They proved that they could not do this in the past playoffs. Should they expect different results from the same group of core players, even with different reserves and a different coach? I don’t think so. Even as they evolve, these guys are who they are. Some will get better at who they are, and others will not. Should the Hawks again gamble on certain players simply “growing up?” How do they expect team chemistry to improve with the same group, or do they suppose that all of this comes from the sideline? What’s different about Joe today, than Joe yesterday….besides the size of his bank account?

While the experiment of “let’s see how they do under Larry Drew” begins, the Hawks need to be sharply focused on their top six guys. Where the Hawks can go, what they can do. It’s all about this core. This core, and nothing more.

 

Your Take

Should the Hawks keep this group of guys together? For how long? Do you expect organic growth to give another jolt to the team, making them even better than last year?

If you feel the Hawks should re-tool their core group of players, where should they start? Who should they move, and what should they be getting in return?

268 comments Add your comment

mike

July 8th, 2010
10:45 pm

i think hawks will be much more efficient under LD.. our personnel is fine.. offensive scheme will determine their success (and the discipline of Josh Smith)

Air Zaza

July 8th, 2010
10:47 pm

I think it’s time to officially go after a key player if we haven’t already. (CP3 or Melo)

moboman

July 8th, 2010
10:48 pm

tweeking needed. and a 5 is needed

Jody

July 8th, 2010
10:50 pm

@ Big Ray,

Nice article and you hit the nail on the head. To answer the question: if the Hawks keep the same “core” together, the will fail, because the other teams around them are constantly getting better.

Victor

July 8th, 2010
10:53 pm

As much as I hate to agree with you I believe there needs to be a change in the core group of players due to the playoff results the last couple of years, and now the alleged issue with team chemistry. This team needs better perimeter defense and a center. the only problem is there are no centers out there that could start. Brendon Haywood was a possibility but it looks as if he is going to sign somewhere else.

LKT

July 8th, 2010
10:54 pm

Re-tooling is key at this point and, unfortunately, Josh Smith is the focal piece. The Hawks should try to move him + Jamal Crawford (scorer + expiring contract) and maybe the rights to Chills (only because I don’t feel that he will accept the Hawks mid level exception) for Chris Paul. Hopefully Jordan Crawford will provide the spark off the bench that Jamal provided. Al can move to his natural position at the 4 and Zaza will have to move to the 5 until a quality starting center can be found somewhere.

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
10:56 pm

Jody ,

That’s the key. The Hawks need not just look at the now star-studded but roster starved Heat. They also need to look at up-and-coming teams like the Wizards, the now-loaded Bucks, and the suddenly more potent and balanced Bulls.

O'Brien

July 8th, 2010
10:56 pm

Ray,

I was not a Woody fan, but I dont think he should take all the blame for what happened last year. Players quit on him, and some of them stunk on the court. I dont think a new coach will fix all the issues.

Is Bibby going to continue his decline? Will Marvin stop stumbling and actually hit open shots? Will Josh stop whining to the refs and stop taking jumpshots? Too many issues for LD to fix, so I think a core change would be beneficial.

If we can move marvin, I am all for that. Although he has potential, he is still only a 4th or 5th option.

I think we need to trade Jamal for a big if possible (I dont think we can afford to resign him next year), plus we have Mo Evans and Jordan Crawford to play SG. And I am also open to trading Bibby.

One thing I would have liked to see JJ do. I think it would have gone a long way towards winning some of the fans over, and also benefit the Hawks at the same time. I wished he would have taken less money (for example, 6 years, $112 mil).

I dont blame him for taking the money, especially since the ASG dont have any history of spending luxury tax money, but I think that would have helped tremendously, especially if he talked to Rick about the Hawks spending plans.

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
10:58 pm

Victor

Do you hate agreeing with ME, or with the concept of changing the team’s core? Either one is fine, I’m just curious.

The center issue is….well, it is what it is. I don’t think we get a guy who can contribute a lot of minutes at that spot by simply signing one. If we do it, it will be through trade.

Melvin

July 8th, 2010
10:58 pm

Good stuff Ray.
I think the Hawks should explore improving the core even if it means trading 1 or 2 players. However, seem like all the quality Bigs either have relocated or under contract (except for Shaq). I think the only option the Hawks may have is to either upgrade the PG or Wing spots. Example. What if we could trade Horford in a package for CP3 or Melo then sign a big like Shaq or trade for Biedrins or Chandler. Who you preferred a CP3 or Tony Parker/Joe/Chills or Marvin/Josh/Shaq or Teague/Joe/Carmelo/Josh/Shaq????

Regardless if we keep the core together to start the season, at some point the Hawks are going to have to take a gamble and make a move if they are serious about challenging for the title.

JeJe

July 8th, 2010
11:01 pm

WHAT FAS IS THIS TEAM GOING AFTER? JOE SAID HE’D RECRUIT TOP FAS? WHERE ARE THEY HUH?

akintu

July 8th, 2010
11:05 pm

all in all what they said…This team has showed us what they are they are currently constructed, by signing Joe to a HUGE contract we just went from 2nd in the division and 3rd in the East to 3rd in the division and maybe 5th or 6th in the east…if we want to compete for championships something must change and change quickly because everyone else around us is getting a lot better a lot faster so…send Bibby and Marvin to New Orleans for CP3, bring Shaq in to back up the 5 and sign Ronnie Brewer and Dorrell Wright to back up and start at SF for us this year…nbot enough pieces out there to fix that right away so that’ll have to wait till next year, then we’d need to throw BIG change at Melo to step in at the 3 and keep Horford in the A, no need to let him get away, if we have to move anyone to get better then Josh can kick rocks and sign the BEST PF or C available and move Al dependent on what we get…they have a big three in Boston and Miami now and Dwight Howard is still in Orlando, Chicago got Boozer and New York got A’mare and what did we get? exactly what we had last year…wasn’t good enough then, why would we think it’d be good enough now…I for one want to win CHAMPIONSHIPS, just making the play-offs year after year won’t cut it for me…if that means we take a chance and potentially miss the play-offs all together then so be it, I say fail aiming for the sun, don’t be content on the top of this mole hill…and good night

JeJe

July 8th, 2010
11:05 pm

How does a team determine if their President or GM makes decisions? Why is it different for every team?

Jody

July 8th, 2010
11:06 pm

@ Big Ray

Precisely. I think if the Hawks continue this love fest with their “core”, it will lead, yet again, to their demise. My question is, do they really care? If not, it makes no sense to have signed Joe to that long term deal.

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:07 pm

moboman ,

Sound simple enough, doesn’t it?

Melvin ,

Thanks!

A lot of different possibilities there. The only thing that bothers me about CP3 is those knees. Otherwise, I’m all over the idea of acquiring him. Of course, that’s a bit of a “win now” mentality.

On paper at least, the combination of Teague/Joe/Josh/Carmelo/Shaq seems best. Assuming Teague can run that team, which we’re not sure of just yet. But talk about a dangerous squad. The South Beach Three would have to fear that squad.

Trading Horford is something I don’t know the Hawks really want to do. In fact, I’m not sure what they’d be willing to give him up for. Maybe not even CP3…

Air Zaza

July 8th, 2010
11:11 pm

I wouldn’t trade Horford for CP3 because Horford potential with a playmaking PG is enormous. Josh is going to be very good with anyone. Horford can be All Star level to elite depending on his role, players around him, and his position. He has the most potential on this team.

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:13 pm

Akintu ,

Count me in as a Ronnie Brewer fan. And I wouldn’t have an issue with adding Shaq, either. No way are we getting CP3 for Marvin and Bibby. New Orleans would not be able to sell a single ticket to a game next season, and they know it.

O’brien ,

I agree. The players quit on Woody and each other. Having said that, I didn’t want Woody back. As for JJ, something tells me he knew what was going to happen in free agent sweepstakes. Maybe he didn’t know for certain every detail, but I think he knew he wasn’t going to be part of any particular mega-star union, and may not have wanted to be anyway. So, I think he went for getting the most money he could in a place he was comfortable playing in, in the end. And that’s what he got.

I don’t think he would be interested in taking less money, and that is probably as much of a reflection on the organization itself, and it’s level of committment, as it is on him.

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:16 pm

Jody ,

I think you’re right. Funny thing is, as good as Joe is….he’s not the undisputed box office draw for the team.

JeJe ,

We never heard that from Joe. We heard it from his agent. I wouldn’t trust much an agent has to say. What I do know is he got a nice chunk of cash for negotiating that deal.

Section 303

July 8th, 2010
11:18 pm

I think things need to be shaken up a bit. Isn’t the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

The easy way out would be to find a taker for Marvin. I can’t imagine too many fans would be crying in their beers if that guy left town. Portland? Golden State? I guess Golden State is a long shot. Looks like they are getting David Lee. Portland, though? They do need a 3.

James

July 8th, 2010
11:23 pm

The Hawks have a lot going for them. They had the best asst:to ratio last year. They can shoot and defend the 3 and grab off boards. They need more def boards and toughness down low. I would like to see more veteran leadership too. Brad Miller?

Center – Need a guy that can play 20 minutes, Horford for 18, Pachulia 10
Power forward – Horford for 12, Josh Smith for 36.
Small forward – Marvin Williams for 30, Mo Evans for 18
Shooting Guard – Joe Johnson for 36, Crawford for 12
Point Guard – Bibby for 24, Crawford 18, Teague 5:55, Mario West 0:05

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:23 pm

Horford’s potential is perhaps less so than Josh’s.

However, there is realized potential, and the potential that is always left on the shelf. Horford strikes me as the kind of player who will always strive to be better, and will maintain a great work ethic.

With Josh, you know the potential is astronomical. But certain fundamentals of the game are things he may never greatly improve upon (jumpshooting and ballhandling), and you have to wonder about his work ethic at times. Work ethic isn’t just what you do in the offseason. It’s what you do during the season. It’s how hard you will try to be the best you can be, and how much you will endeavor to help your team the best way you can. Josh seems to have that desire. But he doesn’t seem to stay focused on it.

Jamillion

July 8th, 2010
11:24 pm

Any thinkering wit the core of this group is an exercise in futility. Because the one player who should have been traded from this group, who is also the one player whose game will not progress but regress was retained, for an astonishing amount in which he does not deserve and that will cripple the franchise. This team has four allstar caliber players, you don’t trade josh cause his potential is limitless. Al is a great fundamental player. Jamal is a offensive beast. N jj is a very good well balanced player. I think jordan crawford is a star in da making so i’ll move marvin,bibby,zaza,mo evans,and draft picks. I’ll pick up shaq, trade forTurkolou resign chills. But if we could have gotten rid of joe 4 melo or got paul 4 joe i’ll like our team better. Because truth be told we get better every year because josh and al are getting better. And keeping jj as a number one option is stunting there growth as allstars.

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:24 pm

James ,

Not a bad layout of minutes. One quibble, though. The Hawks have been awful at defending the 3. Especially against Orlando.

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:32 pm

Jamillion ,

I think the problem with Joe is not the fact that he’s our #1 offensive option. I think it’s how he was used, and how the offense was run in general. More often than not, we ran ISO plays, and that was with anybody who could score, not just Joe.

Joe is still our best scorer and shooter. Jamal can provide close to that amount, and moreso when he’s really on. But Josh and Al are not ready for that kind of role as scorers.

If you need a basket, can you go to Al in the post and know he’ll get you one, regardless of which team you’re playing? Can you go to Josh Smith and get the bucket on an ISO? Can those guys do more than they have been ? Sure they can. But neither one is a #1 option. Honestly, I don’t think either one of them ever will be. But that’s okay. If they are #2 and #3 options, that’s fine. Al made the all-star team as a 4th option on offense (behind Joe, Josh, and Jamal).

Jamillion

July 8th, 2010
11:33 pm

Any thinkering wit the core of this group is an exercise in futility. Because the one player who should have been traded from this group, who is also the one player whose game will not progress but regress was retained,4 an astonishing amount in which he does not deserve and that will cripple the franchise. This team has 4 allstar caliber players, you don’t trade josh cause his potential is limitless. Al is a great fundamental player.Jamal is a offensive beast. N jj is a very good well balanced player.I think jordan crawford is a star in da making so i’ll move marvin,bibby,zaza,mo evans,and draft picks.I’ll pick up shaq, trade forTurkolou resign chills.if we could have gotten rid of joe 4 melo or got paul 4 joe i’ll like our team better. truth be told we get better because josh and al are getting better. And keeping jj as a number one option is stunting there growth as allstars.

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:34 pm

Why Turkoglu? He’s a point forward who had his best performances as a guy who did more ball-handling than the team’s point guard, and feeding off of his own shot creation and a big man that manned the middle.

It’s why he looked out of place in Toronto and excelled in Orlando. I don’t think he fits here, but what do I know?

Air Zaza

July 8th, 2010
11:35 pm

Horford is a pick and roll PF, since Atlanta doesn’t run it very often and he plays center on this team, he’s not as noted by many fans. I watched a lot of tape on Karl Malone at the same age as Horford this past season and the similarities were very noticeable. I don’t believe Smith potential is astronomical. He can be a star but never a superstar no matter the team or players around him. He has flaws that will always be with him. To me, he like a rich man’s Shawn Marion or Charles Barkley lite (different game, but similar composites). Horford with this current team is a very good player who could be a star. With a PG like Nash, Deron or CP3, he can be elite.

James

July 8th, 2010
11:37 pm

Big Ray-

Hawks allowed opp to shoot .345 from 3. Ranked 9th in league. Avg opp 3% is .355.

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:41 pm

Air Zaza ,

Horford does have plenty of potential, something pundits said he didn’t have when he came out of college. More than that, he has the will to work at being the best he can be. He’s already got a decent jumper. He’ll work on his post moves, and we’ll get to see the improvement there as well. I don’t see him putting up Karl Malone-type numbers. To do that, he’d have to be the #1 option on a team, become a more dangerous scorer, and have a heck of a pg to work with.

I think Smith’s flaws are mentally-based. If he can get and keep his head in the game and wrap his mind around the role that he can best fill for the team…he’ll be the best blend of Andrei Kirilenko and Kenyon Martin that you could ever hope for. If he can’t, he will continue to be mercurial and frustrating.

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:42 pm

James ,

Thanks for the correction. Perhaps it was all the midrange jumpers that I remember teams like Orlando, Detroit, New York, and others raining down on us. I remember losing games to those teams (Orlando I understood) that we should not have lost.

niremetal

July 8th, 2010
11:42 pm

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:45 pm

Just saw where MC Cunningham posted his latest blog, a Q&A with Joe Johnson. Check it out –

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2010/07/08/atlanta-hawks-joe-johnson-speaks/?cxntfid=blogs_hawks

James

July 8th, 2010
11:49 pm

Good point, Big Ray.

I think the Hawks are too close to making a step past the second round to trade any part of the core right now. If they do, Marvin should go. A 3 must hit the 3 and he doesn’t. He certainly can’t defend.

I want Shane Battier!

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:50 pm

Niremetal

Thanks for the link. All I can say is “wow.”

And I do think LBJ burned a bridge while basking in the glow of his ego. Now which sports writer will be the one to first write some “from his viewpoint” story, exonerating (and ultimately exalting) Lebron for the way he did things?

Did he commit a crime? No. And I’m not judging him for one. But the world is. If he wins a championship with Wade and Bosh, people will say he didn’t earn it. And if he doesn’t….well, that will be his legacy. Heh.

Big Ray

July 8th, 2010
11:54 pm

James ,

I think we might have a contest on who could do the most backflips if we got Shane Battier. That guy is the consummate hard worker and elite defender in this league. I know Dwight got DPOY by being such an intimidator at the rim, but Battier is better. The guy doesn’t look to simply block shots. He studies his opponent’s tendencies and then concentrates on taking the most dangerous and versatile superstars (wing players), and making them look ordinary.

I Heart Atlanta

July 9th, 2010
12:00 am

The only one of our “core” i would be willing to trade is marvin, and i wouldn’t even trade him unless we got a very good player in return. like a caron butler or monta ellis. We need Shaq, and some wing defenders like a matt barnes or shannon brown

Big Ray

July 9th, 2010
12:11 am

I’d take Matt Barnes in a NY second..

James

July 9th, 2010
12:25 am

Yes to Barnes!

Jamillion

July 9th, 2010
12:36 am

Big ray i like turkolou because he is a seven foot small forward a mis match and this game is won or lost on match ups. the hawks will have 2 match up nightmare players in turkolou at the 3 and josh at the 4. if josh had a jumper he would be Unstoppable . the bigger forwards get beat off his athleticism the smaller ones get posted up. to have jj jt josh al turk wit reserves like shaq chills jamal jordan. i personally think we should a traded jj but all dat happened was miami took cleveland spot and chicago took miami spot. we still the third best team in the east. and if we can secure a big we will be top 2. yea those old guys will be older and we’ll sweep them again

niremetal

July 9th, 2010
12:37 am

As for the post…as cliche as it sounds, the Hawks just have to keep their eyes and ears open. The downside of the huge free agent market this summer is that it makes trades that would improve the Hawks are going to be much tougher to work out. Bosh, Boozer, and Amare – three guys I would have considered a shakeup for – just inked new long-term deals, and their new teams won’t let them go so quickly. It’s tough to see a feasible trade to make the team better, and the Hawks will be hard-pressed to get much more than perimeter D help using the full mid-level.

The trades that might be more feasible from a “why would the other team agree to it” perspective are risky ones like Josh for Oden, and even those are tough to imagine actually getting discussed. Do you agree to something like Crawford or Josh for Devin Harris? Or Josh/Crawford for Biedrins? What about BOTH Josh and Crawford for Yao Ming? Let’s face it. Our only eminently tradeable assets right now are Horford (who should be untouchable), Josh, and Crawford (if for no reason other than his contract is expiring). It’s tough to see how those can be translated into a move that helps the team.

niremetal

July 9th, 2010
12:43 am

Out-of-the-box idea: Josh or Crawford for Bargnani? I still say that we will NOT find someone strong enough to bang with D-12 at center except for offensively useless guys like Przybilla or “nothing left in the tank” guys like Shaq and JCollins. There are probably fewer than 10 guys in the NBA who are better-equipped than Horford to deal with D-12 defensively and on the boards, and not one of them would be anything close to equal to Horford offensively except Yao (whose injury makes him a monumental risk).

If we shake things up to get a starting center, it should be someone whose game supplements and complements Al’s – ie someone who can spread the floor and run pick-n-pops. Bargnani is the best young big man in the league at that, and his defensive deficiencies are WAY overblown (he’s slightly below average for a center, not terrible for a center). The Raptors might be looking to start anew after Bosh’s departure. Aldridge in Portland is another. Basically, if we could clone Divac or Sabonis, I’d say we’d have our ideal center to play alongside Al.

James

July 9th, 2010
12:47 am

Thoughts on Brad Miller?

Hawks' Nest Monsta

July 9th, 2010
1:56 am

FACTS:
-Last season we beat every team in the NBA (except OKC, but they’re really good)
-We SWEPT the Celtics
-We DESTROYED the Lakers at home, even with Kobe shooting lights out.
-We did that with our core guys.
-The ONLY team that consistently gave us trouble was the Orlando Magic.
-We have a new coach, who already knows what works and what doesn’t.

CONCLUSION:
-Our core guys are definitely talented enough (just because ESPN hasn’t brainwashed you to love them doesn’t mean they aren’t some of the best individual players in the league). so now you know, i guess.

BELIEVE IN TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bobb

July 9th, 2010
2:14 am

Get rid of Marvin and get a player that is consistent night in and out from a scoring stand point.

O'Brien

July 9th, 2010
7:45 am

I like Matt Barnes too, and he was available last year (he signed with Orlando for 2 years, $4 mil). If we were committed to using our mid-level last year, we could have gotten him (even if we overpaid slightly). But the Hawks always seem to wait around before making a move too late.

If you’re the Hawks, do you wait around for Shaq (although an offer has not been made), or do you go on to the next guy (Big Z, Brad Miller etc). I think the Hawks are waiting for Chills to be resolved, but hopefully, we will strike soon after.

I think our best trade assets are Josh and Crawford. And I am open to trading one or both of them.

I dont blame LeBron for leaving Cleveland. But I dont think he handled it correctly, and Cleveland fans should boo the heck out of him when he comes back. But I also think the Cavs owner was too harsh in his letter.

wordsmithtom

July 9th, 2010
8:12 am

Miami will have to play in Cleveland. Wonder if King James throws pixie dust into the air upon his return? Wonder what gets thrown at him?
Self serving tv announcement. Sure. Won’t matter. Miami probably wins the East. Can they put together enough bench to win a playoff series? Big question this year.
But, they better hire extra security when Miami goes to Cleveland.
Bet the Z Man is rubbing his bald noggin’ and wondering why he turned down Atlanta last spring when we offered him a deal. Na, I want to win a championship….how did that work out for him.

Damn, I’m glad I don’t live in Cleveland. But, I’d LOVE to be courtside for LB’s first game back. !!!!

dap01

July 9th, 2010
8:21 am

Teague will help the point (perhaps add a defensive vet). We need help at the SF (reasonably priced vet) and we need help at the Center position (20 minutes per night). Put this together with a new coach and we can advance out of the 2nd round.

I believe that we can also beat the Miami Egos!

doc

July 9th, 2010
8:33 am

you know what? i am going to miss all those cleveland fans wearing their jerseys singing the praises of the cavs at our games and on our blogs. must say they are fools and i appreciate them for taking my tickets off my hands for a very nice price to be in the building one more time to just fawn over the queen. cleveland fans are the laughing stock of the nba now.

funny how the 790 guys were so hypocritical today ripping gilbert for saying what he did then saying the same or worse about queenie. a listener tried to call them on it and they couldnt see it. personally this isnt the same situation jordan or other big names were in. MJ got 36 mil a year to stay in chicago. who wouldnt have done what queen did, miami vs. cleveland for a lifetime? he wins in miami and keeps his nose clean and he has a legacy and a nice sea breeze to boot.

now is the balance of the nba that skewed? do the asg just fold up the tent and do no more than want a nice team? go get shaq or something that resembles a post presence.

got to hand it to riles for having the vision and persuasive powers to pull this off. he has to be given some credit for saying all the right things and pushing the right buttons. quit coup for him and another feather in his cap. now who has the ability to coach this team? will they gell into a unit?

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The Real Hawk

July 9th, 2010
9:23 am

If someone told you that after the announcements so far that Joe Johnson would have the highest contract of them all.
OMG!