Patience a virtue, indecision a detriment

Patience is a virtue. Good things come to those who wait. Such wonderful old sayings, but do they apply to the ongoing search for a new Atlanta Hawks head coach?

Scratch that, the Atlanta Hawks aren’t searching for a coach. They don’t need to be patient or wait for good things to come to them. How many coaching candidates have come their way already? How many interviews have been conducted? How many guys are still out there, ready for a job? This isn’t about patience. This isn’t about long-suffering. It’s about indecision, and no matter how you try to spin that, indecision is a detriment to any organization. You cannot strike while the iron is hot, if you’re going to deliberate all day on what kind of hammer to use, or where you want the anvil positioned.  Or is the issue more primitive? Is it as simple as one person liking this guy, and the other person liking another, with neither willing to budge on the horse he’s backing? How many people are backing different guys? What does it take to come to an agreement or compromise of some sort? Isn’t this sort of thing what went on the first time the Atlanta Spirit Group had a major faction (hello, Steve Belkin) issue?

Maybe many of us, myself included, are being unreasonable. Maybe those with differing opinions have very valid points. It’s not like we know the details of the situation right now. We have to rely on what is reported, and that is never the whole story. Perhaps debate is a good thing. At some point however, debate mutates into indecision. Indecision leads to confusion, lack of confidence, and eventually wholesale destruction of an organization.

Here’s a quick solution for the owners – let Rick Sund make the choice in the end, and don’t take it personal if he doesn’t back the guy you picked. Why? Because that’s what you pay him to do. Right? Um…..right? Sometimes, I really wonder. Doesn’t every team have a team governor? Doesn’t the governor get the final say so on transactions like this (unless of course, there is a coup d’ etat in the works…ahem, ahem..)? At the very least, that should work if you don’t trust your General Manager to do the job you hired him to do.

By the way, for those who are wanting David Stern to broker a deal that gets different ownership of the Hawks, I have news for you: it was David Stern who got this group together. Send him a letter. He might read it after he gets finished levying a fine on The Pope for complaints about the officiating in game 3 of the NBA Finals. I heard the Papal office hasn’t been this ticked off since Dan Brown wrote those books…

Back to the point at hand. We as fans probably aren’t nearly as upset about the fact that a head coach hasn’t been selected yet. We probably aren’t even collectively concerned with the fact that some of the hotter names have gone elsewhere.  What has us so bugged is yet another public report, pointing out the apparent flaws in the organization that we squawk about on blogs all the time, but secretly hope aren’t really true. Do we complain about the decisions (or lack thereof) in ownership, on the sideline, and in the front office? Of course, we’re fans, it’s what we do! But we do so among ourselves. Nothing is worse than having your fears canonized by a media report, especially from an outside source.

So what say you, Hawks fans? Are you disappointed in what you are hearing? Is this just a matter of logistical issues (different schedules of different candidates vs the schedules of the owners), or is there a deeper problem here, one that might have been there from the beginning? Is the sky really falling, or are we just that impatient? Am I having an overreaction to a perceived lack of action?

Sound off…

 

SIDE NOTES

 

- I am convinced that there is not a sign and trade move involving Joe Johnson that will satisfy Hawks fans. Some scream for him to go, but won’t be happy with what comes back (assuming he doesn’t just walk out of here for nothing). Others scream for him to stay, which I maintain is entirely up to him and his agent. But as is often the case, a sign and trade is a concession. If it’s going to happen, keep in mind that it’s better than losing Joe for nothing, and becomes purely about asset management at that point. Still, it doesn’t mean you have to, or don’t have to like it.

- It’s looking more and more like Tom Izzo may be NBA bound. But we’ve seen this before, haven’t we? College coaches usually get eaten alive when they get to the League. Guys like Tim Floyd and John Calipari could tell you all about it. What makes Izzo different? Are the Cavs just reaching (careful, Chris Grant, or you may be back to running coaxial cables for the IT department, like you used to for the Hawks, or whatever BS job that was you supposedly were doing), or have they found their magic man? Of course, Izzo could leave them at the altar, the way Billy Donovan did the Orlando Magic.

- Back on the sign and trade thoughts…if we do a deal that involves Joe Johnson going to Chicago, with us getting some guys in return, there may be a third guy you want to add to the “don’t touch” category, besides Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah. That guy would be Taj Gibson. Maybe I’m wrong about that, but the Bulls were high on Gibson, and I’m not sure they would let a guy like Gibson go after giving up Tyrus Thomas (whom they stupidly traded the rights to LaMarcus Aldridge for). Besides, that would leave them with an initial choice between Hakim Warrick and James Johnson as their starting power forward. Neither is a starter, and Johnson is not the enforcer/dirty work guy that Gibson is becoming. Still, if the want Joe bad enough (and Joe wants THEM bad enough), it could possibly happen. My money is on them offering Luol Deng and something else. Better than nothing, but we would not be happy with that deal, I’m sure.

- New Jersey Nets owner Mikhail Gorbachev…oops, I’m sorry, I meant Prokhorov, says he wants to win an NBA Championship in 5 years. Well, I suppose just about anything can be bought, but the Nets don’t have a superstar yet, and I don’t see Brook Lopez dominating the league, or even at his position. Good luck with that one. Will Prokhorov turn out to be as “hands on” as Mark Cuban has? Avery Johnson may have gotten himself into a situation similar to the one he left in Dallas.

 

Who knows. Maybe we’ll wake up tomorrow (wait, it’s past midnight already), and find that we have something new to complain about. You know, like a head coach. Or maybe not. See ya then…

 

 

54 comments Add your comment

vava74

June 11th, 2010
1:53 am

I think Sund wants Casey, Belkin Jackson and Levinson Drew, simply to save money.

None of them is budging.

JJ will walk, since he does not see an organization who knows what they are doing.

Doesn’t CHI have the cap room to sign ANOTHER FA? (Bosh) Along with JJ, in particular if they do a sign and trade?

If they do, Taj will probably be available on the package, however, what the hell will we do with 3 serviceable PF? (assuming that we continue to discuss that Al is just a PF…)

vava74

June 11th, 2010
2:10 am

If we go back to the Lionel Hollins interview and discussion, would Taj complement our existing talent or overlap it?

I say it’s the latter.

So I would definitively go after Kirk Hinrich and their first round draft pick. Two prospects is always better than one.

There is no way – unless to dump salary for Lebron – that they will ditch Deng in a sign and trade for JJ.

I would still start Teague, but we would be covered like hell at the point and SG positions.

The main drawback? Having to play Mo again at the SF.

For me, Teague and Mo could give us a solid starting backcourt with good lateral quickness and quick hands.

Hinrich would give us a steady back up PG with good in your face D. Crawford would be strictly an offensive SG off the bench.

Bibby would be the strictly the back up vet and 3 point specialist which is probably a role that will keep him playing beyond the existing contract with us and maybe even attract some attention from a contender next year.

Getting a good starting 5 on the floor is not about getting your best 5 offensive players IN but to get the most balanced combo of players.

Any good coach looking at the Hawks understands that in spite of all the great games he had, Crawford should have played a few minutes less than he did since he is not really well formated to give us a balanced contribution and healthy ball movement.

Shorter spurts from Craw, with Mo lodging substantially more minutes at the SG and JJ at the SF slots would have given us better defensive balance and roughly the same offensive production (-2/3 ppg of offense would not have hurt us at all) since Craw had a lot of cold spells and monopolized play without being an effective PG back up.

Ed

June 11th, 2010
3:02 am

Ray, the last time the “Spirit Group” had a governor (Belkin), they bought him out when they didn’t like the first big decision he made (Joe Johnson trade). They are like spoiled kids and the Hawks are their toy they must share. Each has his own posse behind him influencing any conclusions they come to. Therefore, we are basically screwed unless they just luck out and make the right choice. Personally, I’d have thought a lot less of Avery if he had been foolish enough to get himself involved with this ownership group. It’s bad enough to have a Mark Cuban trying to run his club, we have eight dysfuntional owners trying to do so and an errand boy for GM.

wordsmithtom

June 11th, 2010
5:00 am

Let’s see: they’re bringing in prospects starting Monday with no coach to help the GM make evaluations. This can’t be Sund’s choice; creating a problem for himself by not making a decision timely. Has to be owner issues. Getterdone.

O'Brien

June 11th, 2010
7:27 am

niremetal,

Since the Hawks beat writer is reporting similar news, I believe it. From the other blog;

“Another day passed with no decision by the Hawks on which of three candidates to offer their vacant head coach position. They’ll deliberate again on Friday and hope to reach agreement on extending an offer to Dwane Casey, Larry Drew or Mark Jackson.” MC

Although I dont know who his sources are, MC said he has also heard there might be a (new) fourth candidate. That reeks of indecision to me.

vava,

I am okay with Hinrich, Taj Gibson (or even James Johnson), and a first round pick, instead of JJ walking away outright. Gibson does overlap, but it gives us another option at backup PF (and if it’s James Johnson, he could provide minutes at backup SF).

Hinrich would be my starter at PG, but I would find consistent minutes for Teague at the backup spot. And Bibby would be my situational player.

i_am_soulstar

June 11th, 2010
8:29 am

If we’re keeping Horford as our starting center then Gibson would be great as a back up to Josh. Sounds like a good problem to have. So is being loaded at the guard position if Captain Kirk comes along. Hey, options are a beautiful thing.

No one knows for sure, but is it possible that the end of the Woody era also means the end of the Mario West era?

I’m all about starting Teague next year. But I hope his situation’s handled how Brandon Jennings was handled. When he played great, Skiles stuck with him. But when he began making rookie mistakes, Scott Skiles could pull him out in favor of Ridnour and not lose much in terms of production. Two-headed point guard. I’m wit it.

doc

June 11th, 2010
8:35 am

AMEN big ray, perfectly said.

The Real Hawk

June 11th, 2010
8:36 am

Just waiting on the owners to pick the cheapest candidate.

doc

June 11th, 2010
8:38 am

this is the way for the asg, arent most decisions at by indecision in this organization?

Hawk n the Ham

June 11th, 2010
9:08 am

I think Rick Sund doesn’t want the final input on the decision. That way if it doesn’t pan out, he can say, “well, you guys chose the coach”. That keeps him from taking the fall and being fired from a bad ‘hire’.

That’s my $0.02

Big Ray

June 11th, 2010
9:23 am

Hawk n the Ham ,

The prerogative of being an owner (or ownership group) is that you never take the fall. Anybody employed by you can be fired for any reason at any time. Sund could take that tack, but it would not help him. In fact, telling your boss “well, you’re the one who screwed that up” is a good way to get yourself out the door.

Then again, it’s all in the presentation, and it depends on what kind of relationship a GM and owner have. In the end, it doesn’t really matter what Sund wants. His level of responsibility is determined by his bosses, not his position. Weird, eh?

O'Brien

June 11th, 2010
9:27 am

Since the ASG cant decide, maybe they should poll the season ticket holders.

In my opinion, when the owners can’t decide, why not let the GM be the deciding vote?

Big Ray

June 11th, 2010
9:30 am

i_am_soulstar ,

I can dig the two-headed monster at pg as well, particularly while Teague is going through his growing pains. However, I’d rather it be Kirk Hinrich than Mike Bibby, I can tell ya dat.

Gibson is a good guy to have, no matter which team he plays for.

The end of the Mario West era? This may sound mean, but I sure hope so. This is nothing against Mario, who I wish the best to. But I see no point in keeping a guy like that around if you aren’t going to actually use him. And if he doesn’t have much to offer, why have him?

I wonder how much influence the new coach will have on the roster and whether we will see a difference in what was added/kept to the roster, vs what was done when Woody was here?

Big Ray

June 11th, 2010
9:31 am

O’brien

I’m all for it. Unfortunately I think somebody has UCCS (Untimely Creative Control Syndrome)….

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
9:43 am

Sund is the only basketball expert in the room, no doubt he should have the final say.

I wouldn’t be so dissmissive of “sources” without a direct quote. Especially in the case of bosses who can’t make a decision. In this case, “sources” could be Sund or Pendergraph who are hoping to “shame” the ASG into a decision today. Given the articles from Yahoo and CBSSportsline, do they really want to go into next week without a head coach? These guys have pride and would prefer not to look like incompetents across the national media. When I read those articles, I immediately decided that someone from within the room is trying to light a fire, not in support of any one candidate, but just generally encourage a swift decision.

That seems to be a logical use of the media. And I for one hope that it works.

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
9:47 am

But then again, 3 years ago, the only basketball expert in the room suggested that Woody should go and the owners said “no”. It is safe to assume that Sund has said in the past few days “we should hire candidate X” and some of the owners ahve said “no” yet again. Our GMs have been reduced to executive recruiters who bring in the candidates but have little power in who ultimately gets the job. UGH!!!

Melvin

June 11th, 2010
9:58 am

If the Hawks agree to a S&T with the Bulls, I sure hope Bibby is in that package. Especially if we are getting Hinrich back. Bibby was ineffective playing along side Joe (arguably the 3 best SG) who covered alot of his short comings on both sides of the court, imagine if he had to play with a average or less than average SG. Get Bibby out of here along with the ASG. Besides, I prefer not to have near 18 mil worth of salaries at the PG spot…

Melvin

June 11th, 2010
10:02 am

Astro,

As OB said this morning, even the Hawks beat writer made similiar comments. Poor ASG, everybody is picking on them unfairly….

Melvin

June 11th, 2010
10:05 am

Doc,

You have to love Rivers decision last night to ride the bench players late in the 4th qtr. Very gutsy or just a clever move from a guy who coaches base on the flow of the game instead of a pregame script.

i_am_soulstar

June 11th, 2010
10:34 am

Ray,

Oh how I wish there was just one owner. Sometimes I think they’re the laughing stock of the league next to Donald Sterling.

I think a new coach will could mean a revamped roster besides those established positions, but not until next season after the 8 guys under contract ‘reprove’ that they can/can’t play their designated roles well. Woody was all about keeping his core group of guys together, and a new coach with no prior loyalties may be ready to suggest that one or more of these core guys be sent packing, for better or for worse. I guess it’s hard to say.

And also, with a previous coach that used a playoff rotation all throughout the regular season, it’s difficult to assess the quality of the guys we already had (for me anyway).

I proudly stand on the bandwagon with those who believe Randolph Morris was a quality back up that was totally misused this season.

I think Mario plays his 13th man role pretty well. I wouldn’t mind him coming back, although it’s probably impossible for me to be objective about the subject.

The only thing that continues to worry me is that Rick Sund’s tortoise-pace may cause us to miss out on some quality underrated free agents.

O'Brien

June 11th, 2010
10:54 am

Also, isn’t there a draft workout starting on Monday? It would be nice to give our new HC time to get a staff together and prepare.

Melvin,

I like the sequence when doc had his starters at the table to come in. But then nate made a play, and big baby made a play, so doc told his guys to sit back down.

And why would Chicago take bibby when they can sign a cheaper backup for Rose?

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
11:13 am

OB, I don’t recall which players are working out early next week, but let’s hope that it is mostly the 2nd round candidates and not the 1st round guys. Although I am still of the belief that choosing which player may ultimately be your 8-10 player on the roster does not require the input of the new coach. Sure, it would be nice but given that he won’t have much input on 1-7 (unless Sund completes some trades), I’m not sure that it matters much. And given the way this front office operates, Sund may decide to allow our new coach several months or a year to “evaluate” before making big changes. I guess that is the one benefit to promoting Drew, he could tell Sund immediately that player X is a dog and needs to be sent packing while Casey/Jackson may want to kick the tires for themselves.

Big Ray

June 11th, 2010
11:13 am

Astro Joe ,

I hope the media thing works, too.

I am soulstar

There are worse 13th men, that is for sure. But I’ve rarely been too concerned about the 13th man (although it makes for great silly debate during training camp). I’m actually a little more concerned with the preceeding bench spots, at which we don’t seem to be doing so well.

Can Randolph Morris contribute? Yep, but he will have to learn somehow to quit being such a foul machine. At the same time, I want a tough guy in my frontcourt that isn’t 55 years old (sorry, Joe Smith). I’d take Kurt Thomas in a NY second, but it would be our luck that this would be the season he proves he has nothing left (which is exactly when we tend to sign guys).

Big Ray

June 11th, 2010
11:15 am

This just in, guys…

The ASG has made a decision.

They’ve decided to have a forum on a committee to appoint a time to have a caucus on when to think about having that conference call.

:)

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
11:34 am

Ray, I read that Belkin refused to accept the collect call from Gearon… so they are now using the US Mail to discuss the hire in the form of chain letters. Although Levinson did suggest using Western Union to send a telegraphed message. ” I suggest (stop) that we hire (stop) the following coach (stop) by the name of (stop) (failed transmission)|

Chris Grant is likewise thrilled about his decision a few years ago… dude has option A and B nailed down and is ready to hold a press conference after being on the job for 4 days. One single decision maker with the cash to recruit a top basketball mind. It must be nice..

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
11:36 am

Oops, that’s a telegram I described above, not a telegraph… dang it. :oops:

Big Ray

June 11th, 2010
11:37 am

AJ

No doubt….the telegraph stuff…priceless…

Big Ray

June 11th, 2010
11:45 am

Yeah yeah, what he said..

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
11:53 am

Assuming that this is within the 20% of stuff that Vecsey gets right… OUCH!

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/avery_dog_has_its_day_XSdZcDQvNqAv8C5iMK5xnJ#ixzz0qXpZa5bR

O'Brien

June 11th, 2010
12:29 pm

AJ,

I am okay with us passing on Avery. I just hope that whichever coach we hire, the ASG will let Rick have the power to hire and fire as he sees fit.

As for the JJ SNT discussion, 2 years ago, Rick Sund said they had offers for Childress (before he went to Greece), but he didnt like any of the deals. Looking back, I wonder if it would have been better to take the deal, and then work out some other trades, instead of going 2 years w/o Childress, still not knowing if he will come back, or be forced to look for SNT offers again.

I bring that up because maybe Rick Sund and the owners would prefer JJ walk outright, saving them some salary, rather than taking back a player (Hinrich, for example) just to be taking back a player.

hawksfan23

June 11th, 2010
1:09 pm

why dont we get anthony tolliver from the warriors who does not want to go back, let collins, morris, and mario west walk, keep the rights to childress, trade joe johnson to bulls for deng and first round pick, sign john salmons, trade marvin williams for anything, get the euro guys like sergy gladyr on our team because he is 50 percent 3 point shooter, keep joe smith, hire a good coach who will develop the tream and keep the flow of the game in his control which woody did not do, and start and develop teague, sign garret siler who we signed last year and then dumped oh did i mention he is a legit 7 fter you cannot teach size, do all of this and get a good coach we will be number 2 in the east even without joe .

i_am_soulstar

June 11th, 2010
1:54 pm

hawksfan23,

Hopefully, Sergiy Gladyr and/or Cenk Akyol will be invited to play summer league ball with Jeff Teague. I think if the Hawks decided to add those guys onto the roster, it would be because of impressive summer league play. The reports I’ve read from DraftExpress and RealGM indicate that the talent of their respective leagues is more comparable to the D-League than the NBA, so their current stats likely aren’t to be taken at face value. I was also drawn by Gladyr’s stats, but according to a few sources, he may be left overseas to develop another year.

But man, that’d be great if we could get Anthony Tolliver and Anthony Morrow. I was telling Ray the other day I’d love for Morrow to be in a Hawks jersey.

Garrett Siler’s played a year in China for the Shanghai Sharks and has learned the game a bit more. I’m really hoping he’ll be in training camp. Dude’s a behemoth.

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
2:27 pm

OB, I think we can stop hoping that the Hawks GM has hire/fire power. We have 2 examples where that was not the case, I think we should assume that ain’t changing with this ownership group. (Woody was not re-signed which is different than saying that you will fire a coach, continue to pay him and then go out and hire/pay another one).

JoJo the Godfather

June 11th, 2010
2:38 pm

No sign and trades for Chicago scraps unless they take Bibby as well. I’d rather see Joe walk for nothing. Deng & Marvin or Hinrich & Bibby is just too much money at either position for too little talent.

JoJo the Godfather

June 11th, 2010
2:43 pm

Dallas will be desperately looking to S&T for an impact free agent. Cleveland too if LBJ re-signs. In each case, the Hawks would hold all the power. Maybe Joe & Bibby for Dampier (non-guaranteed contract), Beaubois & a future draft pick -or- Joe & Bibby for Delonte West (non-guaranteed contract), Sebastian Telfair (expiring), Anthony Parker (expiring) & JJ Hickson…..Those non-guaranteed contracts are better than trade exceptions because you can trade them along with other players.

O'Brien

June 11th, 2010
3:33 pm

jojo,

Remember, Joe has all the leverage. So he must want to go to Dallas. Or want to go to Cleveland.

Cleveland already has mo Williams, so they are not taking bibby. They might do Anthony Parker, delonte west, jj hickson and telfair. But that’s assuming lebron stays.

Would the hawks make that deal though?

Melvin

June 11th, 2010
4:27 pm

OB,

If Joe leaves the Hawks thru an S&T deal, I don’t think the Hawks will get a player of his caliber to replace him. I think it would be in their best interest to either try to get assets such draft picks, trade exceptions and young prospects or try to rid themselves of a unwanted contract (Marvin, Bibby, ZaZa) to reduce payroll and create salary cap flexibility.

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
4:28 pm

Funny, I am away from the PC, radio and TV for a few hours… come to ajc.com looking for news about our new coach and I get crickets.

Maybe they are waiting until Monday when the announcement will get more media attention (no one will likely care about announcements made on Friday afternoon).

Ray, if nothing happens by Monday afternoon, you should create a blog topic providing the ASG with a new list of names to consider. Just please, make sure that Bob Weiss’ name is not anywhere on that list.

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
4:36 pm

Melvin, to you point, if they get a trade exemption, along with Jamal’s expiring contract, Chill’s salary hold likely being off the books (one way or another) AND a new CBA that likely pushes salaries down… the Hawks could be in a sweet position for the ‘11-12 season. Of course, we may win 35 games in ‘10-11… but we’ve seen worse.

i_am_soulstar

June 11th, 2010
4:42 pm

Sources say Tyson Chandler is leaning towards exercising his ETO, and word is he’s finally healthy. He’d be great for the Hawks to pick up.

Only thing is, with his drop off in production the last 2 years, and the 11 or 12 mil he’s owed next year, I doubt he’ll be in anything but a Charlotte uniform next year notwithstanding a traded contract. Unless he’s worried about that CBA next year. Perhaps that could be motivation enough.

O'Brien

June 11th, 2010
5:04 pm

AJ,

On Monday, people will be talking about lakers-celtics game 5 from Sunday night.

Soulstar,

Chandler is the kind of Guy we could use coming off the bench behind horford. But unless he is taking mid-level, we can’t afford him

i_am_soulstar

June 11th, 2010
5:09 pm

O’Brien,

I feel you man. And I think his value dropped due to injuries and such. I think he’s lucky to get an MLE these days, unless I’m undervaluing him..

i_am_soulstar

June 11th, 2010
5:16 pm

*unless I’m undervaluing his perceived value

Melvin

June 11th, 2010
6:25 pm

soulstar and OB

Get Tyson in here. That’s the type of big we need. S&T to get him if we have to. Who do the Cats want. Zaza, see ya. Or offer him the maximum MLE contract as possible…

Melvin

June 11th, 2010
6:33 pm

Chad Ford seem to think that Chandler could get a 10mil/per yr. With alot of teams needing a center and several teams having cap room, i think Ford could be right. Oh well, we can only hope for a S&T (slim).

i_am_soulstar

June 11th, 2010
6:52 pm

Yeah, teams will want a medical evaluation, and the results will tremendously help or hurt his asking price.

O'Brien

June 11th, 2010
7:06 pm

Breaking news. Larry drew it is

O'Brien

June 11th, 2010
7:49 pm

Congrats to coach Drew. I hope he has a plan for with JJ, and without JJ. And I hope he doesn’t bring back ty hill and Bob Bender.
Would he hire woody to be his defensive assistant? J/k.

I hope rick sund will make some moves, because the team needs some tweaking.

Ironically, if BK and woody had allowed drew to leave when he wanted to, he probably Would not have been selected as HC.

No wonder they say everything happens for a reason.

niremetal

June 11th, 2010
7:56 pm

Well, f*ck me. I think my arm just started hurting more. The only justification I can think of is if it helps us keep JJ. Even then, isn’t there someone else out there who would help us keep JJ who wasn’t, you know, WOODY’S DAMNED ASSISTANT?

Mike is back

June 11th, 2010
8:24 pm

Big Ray, that had to be the best piece of sports literature I have read concerning the trivial of A down trotten Hawks fan. YOUR Words encapsulate yeeeeeeeeeeeeears of frustration.

THAT WAS LIKE READING POETRY…U tha man dawg!!!!!!!!!!!!!