Drew’s the man, but what’s the plan?

Well, here we are. As reported by Hawks beat writer Michael Cunningham, Larry Drew has apparently been tabbed as head coach.

Shall there be weeping, lamentation, and gnashing of teeth? How about dancing in the streets and parading down the avenues? Maybe an extreme reaction either way is neither optimal or appropriate. But how do you define extreme, and besides – this is what blogging is about. You know, overreacting as you please, with no penalty other than a faux jab from another blogger (or fifty, depending on how big the frenzy is). Like it or not, the wheel of this ship has been taken by the first mate of the former captain. And no, it was not a mutiny (that we know of).

You Think You Know…

 What should we expect from Larry Drew? Expectations are fluid and tricky. Expect too much, and you will almost certainly be disappoined. Expect too much too soon, and the effect will be similar. Is there a penalty for expecting too little? What will the players expect out of him? What does he expect of himself? All this and more will be learned as time moves on. What’s funny is that idea that perhaps what we think we know may actually be more of an unknown than we suppose. Larry Drew has been an assistant coach on this team for the past six seasons, but do we really know him? My hunch is that we really don’t know this guy. I won’t heap another coal on the head of former coach Mike Woodson, but the simple fact is that it was his voice we’ve always heard, and his philosophy. Drew has chimed in here and there, but only to more or less echo what his boss has to say. Such has been the case with all of Woodson’s assistants, with halftime thirty or forty-five second interviews being the only evidence to the general public that the guys can even talk. And you know what? That’s the case most of the time, on most teams. It’s not an anomaly. In the end, I think we will get to know Larry Drew in ways we could not possibly have, before.

Even the players will. Oh sure, the guys on the roster know him, but do they know what he would do in any given situation? Do they know what he expects of them? I seriously doubt he has taken scenarios that Mike Woodson has experienced, and said “Hey guys, I wouldn’t have done it this way, I would have done it that way.” That sort of attitude never really helps anyone, as it tends to be a breeding ground for more disruption, confusion, and division. Perhaps Drew has, however, taken a player aside and explained why his head coach made a certain decision or did things a certain way. Agreeing with your boss may not be something that happens naturally or even often, but buying into and supporting the edicts you’ve been given do help promote continuity of the team. If this is the approach Drew has taken to his job, his new job will go that much better for him and all that are involved. Sometimes the best way to lead is through influence and persuasion. Again, if Drew realizes this, he is already a step ahead. Or maybe I’m wrong and a more Machiavellian approach is what it takes. Perhaps, perhaps not. We shall see soon enough.

In the meantime, we’ll get to know Larry Drew, the head coach.

 

What’s In a Name?

Coining the old Shakespeare quote, I have to wonder why people get so attached to the names of coaching candidates. When is the last time YOU heard anybody say they had to get tickets for this Saturday night because the Jazz and Jerry Sloan would be in town? How about the Magic and Stan Van Gundy? Will people soon be hyped about going to watch the Cavs and (insert Tim Izzo or whoever takes the job once he says no)? If not, then why be worried about a “brand name” coach? Perception is the only answer I can think of. It’s the reason we separate the winners from the losers, based on our opinions and several skewed statistics. Actually, statistics aren’t skewed. They are just math and numbers. How we use and interpret them is another matter altogether. When a guy wins in one place, it doesn’t guarantee that he won’t lose somewhere else, and vice versa. If this is true nowhere else in the NBA, it’s true on the sideline: production beats flash every time. There’s more opinion out there on the subject as the AJC’s Jeff Schultz feels we might need to look past the lack of style and see the substance. Also, think about this: every guy available for a job has most likely failed somewhere else or never really gotten a chance. That’s the nature of the job in the League. That’s the law of experience cutting both ways. What does that mean? Like all assistants, Larry Drew has neither failed nor succeeded yet. So whether or not the glass is half empty or half full is a tale yet to be told.

Dare To Believe

As a fan base, can we get behind this decision, or will we stay hung up in the details surrounding it? In the case of management, the “why” does matter. In the case of the coach, the only thing that matters is “what.” Translation – Yes, we should be concerned with why management made a decision to go with Larry Drew. However, where Drew himself is concerned, all that matters is what he does now that he is in the position. We can only hope that he and this team do well enough to make us stop thinking so much about why management does what it does.

Maybe Larry Drew’s six years of absolute insider experience with the Hawks will help bridge the gap of those zero years of experience as a head coach in the NBA. Instead of getting to know the guys on this team, perhaps he can focus more on getting them to buy into his own system. And outsider might be more interesting, but last I looked, “interesting” didn’t win games. I have no doubts that Drew will be a “different voice.” In a way, that is a smoke screen. This team doesn’t need “different” as much as it needs “consistently effective.” There has to be something there, that’s worth having after the so-called honeymoon. Will there be an adjustment period of sorts? I would expect so. But it should also be shorter and less profound. Will there still be obstacles and challenges? Yes, but they are likely already identified, if not the reasons behind them. As much as we don’t know about Drew, we do know that he knows enough (far more than we do) about the team. Maybe that can stoke some confidence in the fan base. It certainly should do so for the team.

 

Odds and Ends

- Will this have an effect on whether or not Joe Johnson leaves or stays? I still think it’s all about money and opportunity for Joe Johnson. Aside from the few positive comments Johnson has made in Mike Woodson’s direction, we have no idea how he really felt about Woodson, or how he feels about Drew. There is little reason beyond that of the speculative, to think that Johnson’s decision will be heavily affected by Drew’s promotion to head coach. Then again, you can never count a factor like this out completely. Johnson has to know that some things would change under Drew, from the way they were under Woodson. At the same time, if Johnson has issues with this team, it’s going to be with his teammates as much or more as it could be with who the head coach is. While I don’t think it will ultimately sway his decision, whether or not Johnson believes Larry Drew will hold guys accountable (as in moreso than Woodson) might be a factor. The question is how much of one.

- The inevitable watch on Jeff Teague will commence from the time he goes to summer league, and Larry Drew will not be able to escape this spotlight in the slightest. Known as a point guard coach, Drew’s work with Teague will be compared, perhaps unfairly, to that of Mike Woodson and every young point guard he has dealt with the entire six years he was here. If Teague flops or struggles mightily, it will get very noisy, very fast. Drew will come under fire from both the fan base, and from his bosses (let’s not forget, this is Sund’s draft pick, and Michael Gearon has made public comments about Teague’s playing time). If Teague does well, this bodes well for Drew. Fair or not, right or wrong, this will be watched….maybe even moreso than how Drew handles Josh Smith. Well, okay, we may have a tie on that one. Another guy to watch? Marvin Williams. Do we expect Drew to turn these guys into something they aren’t, haven’t been, or otherwise? Should we? Will we?

- We have absolutely no insight into what defensive or offensive philosophy Larry Drew holds. Again, it may not be fair, but he will be judged against everything Mike Woodson did. If he does anything that Woodson used to do, he’ll hear it from the masses (until it proves to be successful on a consistent basis). But first, he will have to get the players to buy into what he wants to do. That is where the true challenge lies. I don’t know about you, but I’m a tad anxious to see what Drew does with this team.

- How much input will Larry Drew have in the draft and free agency decisions? Will Sund make a public statement on this issue? Will it matter? And though we’ll likely never find out (but you never know what will be said in the formal announcement), what WAS it that made Larry Drew’s interview presentation so impressive?

One issue decided on Hawks Fans. The Summer of Sund continues.

202 comments Add your comment

i_am_soulstar

June 11th, 2010
10:21 pm

I’m scared

Melvin

June 11th, 2010
10:23 pm

I find it very hard to believe that Sund two coaching hiring’s been to resign the current coach and then hired the top assistant on the coaching staff that he chose not to resign the aforementioned coach.

Whoop Dee Damn Drew….

i_am_soulstar

June 11th, 2010
10:24 pm

But I guess the best thing is to go into this season with no expectations and see what happens. I’ll give the guy the benefit of the doubt. You got my support Drew.

i_am_soulstar

June 11th, 2010
10:25 pm

not like I have a choice :(

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
10:29 pm

Wow! Congratulations to Coach Drew. Who would have thought that Woody would have a branch off his coaching tree? Wow. It will be interesting to see what Coach Drew’s staff looks like… and if he retains any of his former peers.

Hiring Drew should certainly allow for an immediate addressing of the locker-room problems… he knows the “issues” and he obviously presented a plan to resolve them during the interview process.

One more thing, I hope that he was Sund’s preferred choice. Obviously, Sund thought enough of him that he made it to the next round if interviews, but I sincerely hope that he was Sund’s final choice. Obviously, we will likely never know that. But for the sake of my favorite team, I hope that the basketball expert won this battle and not the owners whose basketball knowledge pales in comparison to Sund.

Wow! Congrats to Coach Drew!

O'Brien

June 11th, 2010
10:43 pm

I look forward to drew’s press conference, because I am sure some questions will be asked that we would like answered.

And it will be interesting to hear what drew has to say during the offseason, and then see what he does during the season.

Will he switch everything? Who will be his starting PG? What’s his relationship with JJ? What’s his relationship with Chills?

Too often woody would say one thing, but then do something else once the games start.

I hope sund makes the moves necessary to improve the team though, because just changing the HC is not enough.

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
10:54 pm

Wow! I’m stunned. Man I hope this was Sund’s final recommendation.

mike

June 11th, 2010
11:10 pm

folks lets wait till we see what happens with JJ, free agency, etc till we decide the makeup of this team.. i dont know much about Larry Drew, but he is innocent until proven guilty in my book..

Astro Joe

June 11th, 2010
11:10 pm

Hawk

June 11th, 2010
11:14 pm

Doesn’t get me real excited.

But neither did the end to last two seasons.

I guess we all just have to wait and see.

The on thing I can tell you for sure is that this definitely has no effect on where Joe goes. He will go to whatever team wants to pay him the most.

niremetal

June 11th, 2010
11:16 pm

One concern that I hadn’t thought about: Who can Drew get as assistants?

Potential answer: He isn’t just in Woody’s coaching tree. He’s in Alvin Gentry, Byron Scott, and Del Harris’s. Harris gets a bad rap, but always thought was a bit unfairly maligned – he didn’t do a good job in the playoffs with the seeds of what became with the Lakers dynasty, but I think that was in some part a function of Kobe (who was just 20 when Harris was fired) not being ready for prime time yet.

But I can’t get past the message this seems to send. Whatever virtues he might have, hiring Woody’s assistant seems to tell the world (including free agents) that you don’t think there’s much that needs changing. The reality might be that the difference between Woody and Drew is night and day, but perception is often more important in reality in the world of free agency. And, of course, this plays right into all the ESPN/Yahoo/disgruntled fan narratives that the ASG is cheap.

And btw, if ASG did want to be cheap, this isn’t the way to do it. The coach’s salary doesn’t count towards the cap or luxury tax, and they aren’t entitled to the pension of NBA veterans. If you are gonna skimp, coaching isn’t the place to do it. Both in terms of value to the team and financial flexibility, I’d much rather pay $4.6M for a very good coach and $1.4M for a vet min player than $1.4M for a questionable coach and $4.6M for a mediocre player. Because I promise, the coach has a bigger impact on wins, losses, and playoff success than the 9th man does. Hell, he usually has more of an impact than the 2nd offensive option does.

Skimping on the coach isn’t cheap. It’s just stupid. Coaching is where you can make the biggest impact on the team by spending the least amount of money. But that’s always been my complaint about the Hawks for as long as I can remember. It’s not that management is cheap. It’s that they have no sense of priorities. Just like with the re-signing of Koncak, the signing of Speedy Claxton, the drafting of Marvin instead of CP3/Deron and (even worse) Shelden over…well anyone…,and (still my biggest pet peeve) falling for Colangelo’s bluff on JJ, this reeks of the Hawks failing to see the big picture.

niremetal

June 11th, 2010
11:21 pm

The big picture, by the way, is how this coaching decision will be perceived outside the Hawks organization. I bet the players – including JJ – will be happy with this signing. The fans and other teams’ free agents? Not so much.

E43

June 11th, 2010
11:47 pm

I personally like the hire. Some of you fans must seriously not live in Atlanta because you obviously haven’t seen the history Mike Smith(1st time coach) has put down. We have nothing to loose if we hire Drew. Imagine if we put in all these other guys and they don’t get the job done. We would then be stuck with players that they want, not players that fit into the hawks budget and it would become a complete disaster. kind of similar to new jersey or even the hawks season 1 of woody’s 6.

i_am_soulstar

June 12th, 2010
3:03 am

Astro Joe,

Yeah he was! That guy had Steve Nash numbers that year.

Big Daddy

June 12th, 2010
5:56 am

I am not really surprised that Larry Drew was selected as the choice for coach. Having a team that won 53 games, the owners probably believed that the team needed tweaking instead of a major overhaul and someone close to the situation and capable would probably have the shorter learning curve.

This selection will probably be hashed over and over in the media and among the fans. Rightly so. We expected Sund to go out and find someone who can mold this team to reach its potential and go further. I understand that Larry had limited input in the direction of the team so let’s hope his legacy will be one of reinvention and discipline in the execution of plays and effort.

I wish Coach Drew well. He will be under a lot of scrutiny this season. Certainly more than Avery Johnson would have been but probably less than Mark Jackson. Everyone here has addressed the problems, let’s hope he has the answers. Congrats Coach Drew. GO HAWKS!!!!!

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Jim

June 12th, 2010
6:20 am

The plan is to re-sign JJ. This will give the hawks the best chance to bring Joe back.

cp

June 12th, 2010
8:17 am

I will re-post what I said on the other blog. Good points by niremetal and Aj though. I will be very interested in who he adds to his staff. I would love to actually get a legit big man coach. I wonder if we can steal Clifford Ray. If he can fix the locker room mess and let guys compete for jobs then he is already on the right track to me..

cp

June 12th, 2010
7:48 am
I felt that it would be Drew who got the job. I have no problem with Drew at all. Drew wanted to leave a few years back and I’m guessing its because of issues with Woodrow. Woodson said many times that he didn’t listen to input from his assistants so you cant blame the offensive problems on Drew. Drew is said to want an up tempo type of offensive system. That doesn’t sound anything like what Woodson ran now does it. That alone tells you he is a different coach. If any of you had watched how he coached the summer leagues you would understand. They constantly pushed the ball and shared it. It was nothing like what Woodson was doing. Woodson allowed the locker room split by not holding everyone accountable so hopefully that’s one of the first things Drew does. Sekou reported that it was Drew that the players went to when they had issues with Woodson. He knows the problems of the team and I think he will fix them. I also hope he lets guys compete for jobs instead of playing favorites like ol Woodrow. You have to give Drew a chance just like you gave Woodson a chance…… Its just crazy that he would have been the head coach if the ASG had allowed BK to do his job.

Big Ray

June 12th, 2010
8:20 am

Big Ray

June 12th, 2010
8:32 am

Big Daddy ,

I’d say that’s a very fair and balanced view.

Astro Joe ,

I agree that who Drew brings in (or keeps) as assistants will be pivotal and telling. Might some of the guys currently on the staff have some skills and abilities that can help? Really, we assume a lot about this staff, be it positive or negative. But we know two things are possible. One, it could be that Woody didn’t make as good of use of his assistants as he could have. Two, some of those guys may not have been much help. We’ll never know for sure, but I don’t want to see another situation where the staff seems to be full of incumbents or mystery men (Tyrone Hill and Mark Price…are they doing what they were brought here to do?) looking to do little more than start a resume.

I’d like to see some smart hires, even if that means letting long-timers go. In fact, I’m more apprehensive about keeping largely the same assistant staff, than I ever would be about promoting an existing assistant to head coach.

And like you, I also hope that this was Sund’s final recommendation. At least we can take some measure of confidence in the reportedly excellent presentation Drew had, which caused Sund to put him in the race for the job. Maybe Sund was fine with more than one choice. Maybe I’m grasping at hopeful straws…

BigShot25

June 12th, 2010
8:33 am

This is absolutely the worst possible scenario for anyone following this team. Unfortunately, it doesn’t surprise me at all. Everyone within a 100 mile radius of Philips Arena was pulling for Avery Johnson to be the next coach, including the talking heads on local sports talk, he was the consensus pick.

Here comes the problem, Avery actually wanted to get paid for his services. Avery had three interviews with the Hawks, right? Nope, one interview and two rounds of salary negotiation was more like it. They waited for Avery to get a job elsewhere on purpose. “Look guys, he isn’t available anymore, guess we’ll go with…” Even the second tier retreads weren’t brought in for an interview. THIS WAS ABOUT MONEY! The Spirit Group is a bunch of posers, lacking the cash to play with the big boys. They continually b*tch about fan attendance, giving them an excuse to go on the cheap. Attendance has been going up for five straight years. Even with the team hemorrhaging cash right now, you gotta spend money to make it, boys.

These indecisive broke asse% want us to believe their intent to sign Joe is genuine. You won’t pay 2-3 mil for a coach, but you will pay 18 mil a year for a non max talent like Joe Johnson? Avery would have put more butts in the seats than Joe, period. You could have saved the cash you don’t have anyway, and everyone would have been happy with starting Jamal Crawford. This move has set this organization back 10 years. Just my two cents.

Big Ray

June 12th, 2010
8:45 am

Niremetal

I think you hit the nail on the head about perception. I know how much you hate it when people say the ASG is cheap, and that priority has been the problem all along, but perception truely is fact for so many people. So, this looks like another “cheap” move (as has been evidenced too many times already on MC’s blog).

I agree that the fans and free agents won’t be thrilled about this move, but there is something else to consider. A coach’s reputation with his players will factor heavily into whether other players want to be here or not. The reason being, lots of these players on different teams know each other. They consult each other. We’ve seen it before. This may not be a huge comfort, but it’s something to think about. The big thing will be cultivating and nurturing some unity and cohesion within this team. Do that, and it instantly becomes a more attractive option for free agents. Money is most things, but it’s not quite everything.

As for the ASG, they hired a suit, and I think a good one. They need to learn how to let him do his job.

Big Ray

June 12th, 2010
8:53 am

Bigshot25 ,

Avery Johnson was a frontrunner in New Orleans as well. Did they go cheap, or did they see something they didn’t like? Chicago and Philly didn’t take him. Are they cheap as well? Just asking, because the team that hired Avery Johnson was the worst team in the league last year. On top of that, I didn’t see anybody offering Johnson a job last year, or the year before.

I don’t think Johnson was as much the consensus pick as much as he was the biggest brand name on the market with head coaching experience. Two assistant coaches got jobs before he did. Cleveland is looking at a college coach. Why? Why wasn’t every team in the league that needed a head coach, clamoring for Avery?

Avery would put more butts in the seats than Joe Johnson? That’s quite a claim. Would Avery give you 21 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists and an all-star appearance as well? Tell me, who do you think puts more butts in the seats: Phil Jackson or Kobe Bryant, Stan Van Gundy or Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony or George Karl? Yes, I know. All of those guys are max contract guys. But in Atlanta, Joe is the highest paid on the roster. It is what it is.

wordsmithtom

June 12th, 2010
9:40 am

Remember, Sekou wanted Drew to replace Woodson two years ago. If Drew follows his summer style of coaching, we’ll see more run and gun play. People have given up on Marvin, but MW is perfect for that style play. He looks funny running, but his long legs get him down the court faster than he looks and he poses mismatches against guards trying to stop that 240 pounds. He hits those foul shots too. But, in ISO, standing on the wing, he was worthless. Passive style of play ascerbated his passive attitude. Maybe Drew can light a fire under Duck’s butt. I believe it’s more a factor of Woodyball, not a reflection of MW’s playing ability. Ditto the bench. Players couldn’t or didn’t contribute off the bench because Woody didn’t use the bench. 7-8 men deep and forgetaboutit. Look at Boston. Rivers used his bench down the stretch, even when it meant losing a few games. Come playoff time; the bench is READY and starters aren’t worn to the nubb.

Maybe JJ will want to return for Drew, especially if he feels the lockerroom atmosphere will be better. Maybe even a Childress return….clearly it was Woodson who chased him away. A lot to consider this summer of Sund. But, clearly Drew is an upgrade over Woodson. He understands west coast basketball, and this team is built for it.

Melvin

June 12th, 2010
9:57 am

We believe the ASG made the right coaching hire and we are not saying money was a factor either…:-)

Gary Washburn: Nba source: drews deal with ATL between 1.2 and 1.5 mil per yr. Amongst leagues lowest paid coaches — boston globe

Ric Bucher: Doesn’t seem right that Izzo could make $6mil a yr while Thibodeau is at $2mill per in Chi + Larry Drew will make $1.5mill per in Atl.

Sam Amick: A source close to Atlanta’s coaching search says Larry Drew’s contract will be for two guaranteed years between $1.2 and $1.3 million.

Melvin

June 12th, 2010
10:14 am

Nire,

Look like the best big man in the game is going to see “The Dream”. Last summer the best player in the game (Kobe) went to learn some tricks from Hakeem….

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2010/6/12/1514304/dwight-howard-visits-hakeem

Melvin

June 12th, 2010
11:06 am

O'Brien

June 12th, 2010
11:10 am

I think another reason for hiring drew is to help recruit JJ. Larry should have an inside track on JJ’s likes and dislikes.

If you read MC’s article, it implies JJ not happy with some of the team’s faults. Drew knows these faults first hand.

I think drew deserved a 3 year deal though, especially since his salary is among cheapest in the league.

But as you guys have mentioned, he needs qualified assistants. Who will be his lead assistant?

The bad thing is with drew’s salary, his assistants wont be making much either.

O'Brien

June 12th, 2010
12:14 pm

Seems like thibodeau got a 3 year deal, but only 2 years guaranteed

Melvin

June 12th, 2010
4:05 pm

“With Joe Johnson leaving for the Nets, the Hawks will suddenly have a void on the wing. While Jamal Crawford could slide in to the starting two role off the bench, the Hawks would desperately miss having a percolator on the bench to spark their reserves.

Lucky for them, Josh Childress is coming up on his final year of his three-year deal with Greek team Olympiakos. While Childress said that he was hypothetically leaning towards finishing out his contract, if Childress has a good agent, he’ll be back in the NBA this summer.

Childress would return to the NBA as a restricted free agent for the Hawks, which would allow him to sign an one-year offer sheet or a longer extension. If Childress doesn’t sign the extension, he’ll be an unrestricted free agent next season, whether or not he returns from Greece.

As much as NBA scouts travel to Europe to scout players now, an NBA season provides 82 games worth of tapes to dissect. If Childress hopes to return to the NBA and sign a larger deal next summer, he’ll need to play a season in the league now to demonstrate how much he’s improved.

Childress will return to the Hawks, and will fit in brilliantly as Crawford’s replacement as the team’s sixth man.” – bleacher report.

I didn’t know Chills would become a UFA after this season.

vava74

June 12th, 2010
5:20 pm

Marc Stein:

“Those who know Drew best say he’ll inject the built-for-speed Hawks with some needed offensive creativity and get them playing faster than the stubborn Woodson ever did. They also say he’ll reach Josh Smith and Marvin Williams like Woodson never could, and that knowing Atlanta’s personnel so well gives him a head start no one else would enjoy.

Until all that actually happens, though, Hawks management has to know that criticism is coming for what will surely be blasted as the safe, inexpensive hire. The backlash obviously increases if Johnson bolts and the Hawks can’t adequately replace him in a sign-and-trade.”

I think this more or less summarizes it all.

Astro Joe

June 12th, 2010
5:32 pm

OB, I had suggested that Chill would look to return to establish his NBA value before the new BA kicks in.

cp, I’m pretty sure that Drew was looking to leave a few years ago because his family lives in southern Cali and he wasoffered a job in the Bay area. I’m failry sure he wanted to be closer to his family for his son;s senior year in high school… that’s how I ecall the story. Presumably, he could have left awhen Woody received the 2-year extension, as the contracts of the assistants are generally linked to thehead man.

Ray, remember my comments about a Drew hiring feeling like an interim coach? If he only received a 2-year deal, then he is definitely an interim coach. To get us from a potentially “life after JJ” phase to the post-CBA land. And he likely may have been the only candidate who would accept such a diminished assignment. Surely Casey and Jackson feel like they can get a “real job” and don’t have to settle for a baby-sitting role.

I hope this works out for my favorite team.

Fundamentals

June 12th, 2010
5:41 pm

Nice quality post Ray,

I’m looking forward to seeing who Drew selects for his staff, his philosophy and how the players react. As we move forward what does Joe think of the hire? What key pieces does Drew want to go after? What does he think of our existing free agents? There’s alot of room for things to be much different next season. Most critical is the players buying into whatever Drew presents 100%.

We need to support Drew 100% as well if we’re truly Hawks fans.

i_am_soulstar

June 12th, 2010
5:50 pm

Oh yes, If Childress is here for training camp, I look forward to he and Marvin competing for the starting 3 spot. Someone or something needs to light a fire up Marvin’s @ss,

Fan4life

June 12th, 2010
6:55 pm

I’m 41 years old , a native of Atlanta , and a fan my entire life , and Im tired of this dysfunctional organization feeding us crumbs instead of feeding us A MEAL. No offense to Larry, but every time they have an opportunity to make an impact we shop on the bargain rack hoping to luck up and contend with the Lakers , or Boston. There is a reason the top teams pay the top coaches – THEY WIN BIG GAMES . Also , THEY PAY SUPERSTARS . We are the laughing stock of the NBA. We went from coaches like Hubie Brown , and Mike Fratello to Mike Woodson . We give up Pau Gasol for Abdu – Raheem , overlook Chris Paul , and Deron Williams , need I say more?

Fan4life

June 12th, 2010
6:59 pm

Oh yea, Larry Drew instead of Avery Johnson. The owner in N.J. is serious. ITS ABOUT M O N E Y !

O'Brien

June 12th, 2010
7:11 pm

AJ,

Although thibodeau got a 3 year deal, only 2 years are guaranteed. And my understanding is that drew also has a 3rd year team option, just like thibodeau.

I think hiring drew increases the chances of chills coming back, and I think it increases the chances of JJ coming back.

Although I like chills game and crawford’s game, I would be fine with a SNT for either or both (if we resign JJ).

layinlow

June 12th, 2010
8:00 pm

According to CBS sports this hire was all about money. In this report they claim that Casey was the preferred choice but the hawks didn’t want to pay more than 1.5 million per year. Both Casey and jackson were turned off by the Hawks lowballing and ultimately this led the group to offer the job to Drew. If this is the case, the ASG bunch needs to be run out of Atlanta. I’m not against Drew, just the approach of this incompetent ownership group.

dr.maryb

June 12th, 2010
8:21 pm

Hard Times

Hey fellas we living in Hard Times, the cupboards are bare and the well is dry!
But, hey dynamite comes in small packages and hopefully small paychecks.

But, hey – I wouldn’t snark at 1.2 Milly per year to play basketball and travel.

Congratulations! Mr. Drew & much success on your new Journey.

Thank You Mr. Woodson for a Job well done & much success ahead for you as well!

JoBjo

June 12th, 2010
8:25 pm

congrats Mr Drew. you have paid your dues. good luck in your new endeavor.
I think this was a good move by the Hawks. We are not elite and won’t get elite coach or players to come here. We are good and hopefully this will get us 1 step closer to elite.

O'Brien

June 12th, 2010
9:49 pm

Conversations are already beginning. From espn.com;

Wade, who made an appearance at a charity event in Plantation, Fla., said he talked with Toronto Raptors forward Chris Bosh and Atlanta Hawks guard Joe Johnson in Los Angeles this week.

If I’m LeBron, my 2 choices would be Cleveland or Chicago. If I’m JJ, my choices would be ATL, Chicago or Cleveland. I would not be surprised to see LeBron stay in Cleveland, but only sign for 3 years. And then Cleveland can look for a SNT to bring somebody to Cleveland (JJ maybe).

Fan4life

June 12th, 2010
11:31 pm

I agree with Layinlow the Atlanta Spirit has no Team Spirit. They don’t care about the team or the fans its only business for them . They made no moves during the season to get a true center, or anyone for that matter. Joe is an assasin , I love him but if we pay him max money we will be restrained for the next several years , and possibly fall to a 6 seed or worse because we need a SUPERSTAR. By the way I know why they did’t make any trades. The Spirit ownership can’t agree on anything .

vava74

June 13th, 2010
5:38 am

It’s easy to talk about spending other people’s money.

The ASG is losing money by the millions annually and anything above the 1,3 million would be a loss for them.

They are simply not wealthy enough to commit more money. It’s a shame but I think everyone has to take a reality check over here.

There are only a handful of Mark Cubans or Prokhorov’s around and we simply don’t have one.

For Prokhorov is basically indifferent to spend 4 or 8 or 12 million per on a coach. It’s pocket money.

Ghost of Woodson

June 13th, 2010
7:00 am

Eddie Sefko

The interesting thing about the first week or so of Roddy Beaubois’ summer school is that the main teacher has been Rick Carlisle.

It’s not his assistant coaches or player-development staff that’s doing the daily work on the court with the young guard. It’s been Carlisle, who has spent the maximum allowable time on the court with Beaubois, according to NBA off-season guidelines.

“He’s made incredible strides since last summer,” Carlisle said. “What we have to make sure he understands is the focus and intensity that has to be there all the time on every single play.”

The sessions will continue with Beaubois until after the draft, when Beaubois and whoever the Mavericks select in the draft will head to the summer league.

Asked just how big this summer is for the sophomore-to-be is, Carlisle said: “Huge.”

You would not have ever seen anything like this out of Mike Woodson. I am glad he is gone. The most Mike Woodson would have said to Jeff Teague is good luck in the summer league kid, if you come back really good I might play you this time. There is no substitute for a coach that cares about a players development. I hope that Larry Drew makes this kind of committment to his players.

dr.maryb

June 13th, 2010
8:09 am

Blue-Ray
(3D – HDMI)

Well Sir, we got our Rookie #1 off the boards. Larry Drew is on board. It looks like the PROGNOSTICATOR maybe clearly onto something! The #24 & #53 picks almost guarantee that we will have 3 rookies next season. That is unless we trade one of those picks for a veteran PG or Center.

I say the Center, Bigs should be the target seeing as how we have JT0 in the wings.
We were embarrassed in Rd2 in large part that we were too small inside. No knocks on Horford, he did his bestan but Dwight is a BEAST and our BEST wasn’t good enough.

We don’t need A BEST performance – We need A BEAST performance and the difference between those two scenarios is an “A”! LOL! And, as the cliche goes: 7 Footers don’t grow on trees!

Get the Center issues addressed first! Hey we could use a big wide load (ala Big Baby), at 6′9″ he is a beast and holding his own in LA. We could go that route as well! We could use a “Round-Mound of Rebound” (ala Charles Barkley). Creativity in this case may be the Key. Then look at a 3rd PG who can also be a starter should JT0 flail.

G-Money

June 13th, 2010
9:30 am

The plan is simple- bring in better players. I would suggest signing Joe Johnson, and bringing in a big guy who may not exactly set the league on fire, however he plays defense, rebounds, and hustle.

vava74

June 13th, 2010
10:20 am

Our fellow blogger OK @ the main blog just re-posted the link to Sekou’s blog and the embedded interview where Drew’s strategy for his interview is explained by Steve Smith:

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/06/11/hawks.drew/

Just punch play on the video.

I am sold. A guy that goes the distance knowing that he is the underdog and uses all his resources like this is a guy hungry for the job and a guy who has the players behind him in the right way.

For the lazy guys around here:

Drew’s interview process was simple: he took 5 guys, including Tyrone Hill and Teague and showed in diagrams AND ON COURT his OWN offense and how it contrasted ISO-heavy Woody.

niremetal

June 13th, 2010
10:23 am

http://www.nba.com/video/nbatv/

Click on “Game Time: Hawks New Coach.” Smitty’s take is interesting. Sounds like the offense will look different, at least.

niremetal

June 13th, 2010
10:25 am

Vava beat me to it by 3 minutes! His link is better anyway.

vava74

June 13th, 2010
10:37 am

It’s no great feat to beat a one armed man by 3 minutes!!!!! :-D

vava74

June 13th, 2010
10:52 am

I always said around here that I have “a romantic view” about sports. I love feel good stories, the long hard road to success by the improbable ones.

So the hiring of Drew – following this simple piece of inside news from Smitty – is just what I needed to rekindle my hopes for a good showing next year (regardless of JJ returning).

I know that everyone only thinks about “championship”, I, on the other hand, am content when I see a group competing and extracting their best, just like we did against Boston 2 years ago (home games only).

That is why I was so frustrated midway this year when I realized that, contrary to my hopes, Woody had not evolved as an HC and we were doomed to witness what we eventually did: a huge missed opportunity.

If JJ does leave, the 2009-10 season should be known to the Hawks fans as: “the long playoff run that never was”.

Let us forget about the word “title” or “championship”. First let us concentrate in the word “competing”.

Come playoff time Woody’s system had as many chances of success as someone has to win the lotto without buying a single ticket.

I don’t know Drew’s ability as an HC, but what he did shows balls, will power, desire, the capacity to rally people behind him and that he is not afraid to take risks and break face attempting (and apparently a good relationship and trust in Teague).

After a showing like this, only a cold blooded fool would not have at least strongly consider him for the position.

I am glad that they did and now I stand 100% behind his hiring.

I just hope that they find another big man coach which is more skilled than Tyrone Hill to help out developing our player’s low post game (Hill must stay after this showing of loyalty, however, a guy who had ZERO post moves cannot teach a lot beyond hustle).

Astro Joe

June 13th, 2010
11:57 am

You know what? Doug Collins will change the 76ers offense. Avery will change the Nets offense. Williams will change what the Hornets do. Jackson/Casey would have changed the Hawks offense. BFD that Drew demonstrated what he would do differently. Did anyone really expect that the next coach of the Hawks was going to maintain the status quo?

Sounds like we should expect Ty Hill to stock around. Surely the trade off for helping Drew land a job is Hill keeping one.

I’m glad watching Drew run a few offensive sets made the ASG feel better abot this hire. Whatever it takes to make them feel good that the team’s new voice is one that’s been herad in practice, film study and games for 6 years.

vava74

June 13th, 2010
12:17 pm

Astro and his bag of manure.
The story continues…

TRUTH

June 13th, 2010
12:33 pm

Larry Hoop Dee Drew??!! Really?? Lemme guess, he was cheap!! Another guess, The Hawks don’t WANT to attract veteran talent?? Lat one, there is a lot to be said about MEDIOCRITY!!

Woody was the best option. Period. The players were buying into his system and Woody truly had NO players!! Horford is a talent. Josh Smith could be a talent but has maturity issues. Joe Johnson, well he’s good compared to the talent on the team. Let’s face it, the Hawks are comprised of a bunch of bench players forced into starting roles. We all say it, I just said it out loud.

All of the name brand free agents out there and we hire Larry Drew. Incredible. Not Avery Johnson, ooohhhh noooo, not Byron Scott, neverrrr, or the host of other qualified coaches, name coaches, that we could have gotten here. That’s par for the course here in the ATL, M-E-D-I-O-C-R-I-T-Y!!

What name free agent wants to come here? I mean really. Bibby was about the most known vet we got, and when was the last good game he had? Joe Johnson was out to lunch during the playoffs, and Josh, well he is still interested in arguing his point on fouls as if he was a marquee player. Folks, Atlanta DOES NOT have a marquee player. And after this pick for head coach, not a marquee coach either.

Owners, Atlanta Spirit, or whatever the new name is, get a clue, hire talent. Spend the money and get the talent. I know you get tired, like us fans, when we see a Hawk game on TV or live at Philips, the seats EMPTY!! Its the PRODUCT. The PRODUCT is mediocre. Which keeps butts out of the seats.

All we want is a winner and a coach who has the players capable of execution. Some name players would go a long way with that. Can we work on that??!!!

Jeez……

Astro Joe

June 13th, 2010
1:17 pm

Yeah vava, you certainly have established yourself as the beacon of optimism.

Big Ray

June 13th, 2010
2:32 pm

Astro Joe and Vava74 , Episode 3,249.

This week, Astro Joe decides to take a sarcastic and cynical view of something. Vava takes a shot at him for it.

Wait…is this a re-run?

Big Ray

June 13th, 2010
2:32 pm

O'Brien

June 13th, 2010
3:38 pm

AJ,

We have no idea about the interview process. Assuming Mark Jackson was running third due to his lack of experience, we dont know who wanted who. Did Sund want Drew? Or was Casey his choice due to his familiarity with him? Where did the ASG fit in? Maybe Casey did not interview as well. Maybe Casey’s plan for the offense was not as interesting as Drew’s.

If Drew interviewed better than Casey, if Drew has a very good relationship with JJ, if Drew’s plans for player accountability and defense seemed to be more effective than Casey’s, would you have wanted the ASG to still select Casey?

I wish ASg would just let Rick do the hiring, but I dont know how it all went down. Although being on the outside, I might have leaned towards Casey, I will give Drew the benefit of the doubt.

But Rick Sund will need to make some moves, because just changing the coach is not enough.

niremetal

June 13th, 2010
3:57 pm

O’Brien, with the post of the day.

Astro Joe

June 13th, 2010
4:10 pm

OB, I’m not hating on Drew at all. He had the burden (of the 3 candidates) to prove that he was the anti-Woody and he chose a tactic that helped him deliver that message. Casey and Jackson likely did not enter the discussion feeling the need to distance themselves from Woody since their was no prior connection. Likewise, he used the advantage of the relationships he has built with players and peers to further his candidacy. One can’t help but be impressed by his interviewing strategy. Brilliant, sincerely, brilliant.

Hopefully, the interview played little in the ultimate decision. Sund should have known enough about the work of Casey and Drew that a few good hours of conversation should not have had a tremendous affect on the ultimmate decision. Oops, that’s right, Sund may not have made the ultimate decision… that probably came from someone within the ASG who needed to be “sold” through an interview process.

Again, I wish nothing but the best for Drew and I hope he becomes the winningest coach in franchise history. But given the way this decision-making body operates, if that happens I will believe it was mostly dumb luck. But it won’t stop me from cheering.

Astro Joe

June 13th, 2010
4:22 pm

Bruce Bowen needs to lose the bow-tie… he looks ridiculous.

Big Ray

June 13th, 2010
4:27 pm

Considering what we’re dealing with, I’m okay with dumb luck. :)

Astro Joe

June 13th, 2010
4:30 pm

Ray. Yeah, well you know, I was cheering during a 53-win seasons even though some around here we’re predicting (correctly) doom and gloom in the post-season. So I obviously don’t need much to cheer.

doc

June 13th, 2010
5:44 pm

well here goes the first volley. i see us having a better offense but scoring less. will that be appreciated or even noticed. we can only compare if the team as it was built last year has the same people in place and the same lack of injuries. that also might be lost on the masses. i hope he has the same team on place plus a few other pieces to build around. finally the offense and drew’s success will be based on victories and how his offense holds up in crunch time.

again i say, drew glad you are here and i got your back for now. as a fan, i hold my right to jump off whenever i want. heh heh

well before i pony up for next season we will see what my boy rick holds up his sleeve. can he pull another steal of two in a row, rehab bibby to excellence by finding him the fountain of youth and sign jj or the equivalent pieces to help the team in a sign and trade. onward nd upward my boy sund, convince me and others to FILL THE PHIL. maybe i ought to copyright that one. ;-)

O'Brien

June 13th, 2010
6:11 pm

Doc,

we might not win as many games early on like we did last year (assuming JJ comes back). But hopefully the team will play more like a team united. Win as a team, and lose as a team (compared to win with ISO Joe, lose with ISO Joe).

And then hopefully we will finish the year strong with a good showing in the playoffs.

AJ,

It could be dumb luck, but we will never know for sure.

vava74

June 13th, 2010
6:52 pm

The bottom line gentlemen is that Casey has showed little to nothing during his tenure as an HC to give him any (significant) advantage against Drew besides the fact that he was well known to Sund.

Drew has a long experience in the league as both a player and an assistant coach, knows the organization, the team and all of its problems. That advantage was there.

Then he showed that he had the balls to break conventions and come from behind with a creative and gutsy presentation, detaching himself completely from Woody’s era.

That, for me is more than enough to give him a clear cut advantage over Casey whose description on the main blog by a guy from the Wolves’ blog made me cringe in absolute fear.

Would that presentation by drew have been enough to dethrone a Phil Jackson, a Jerry Sloan or an Adelman in a head to head candidacy?

No, but for goodness sakes, in this case his adversaries were a guy with ZERO coaching experience and a guy who was not particularly successful whilst coaching one of the most dominant players in the league (albeit with a dysfunctional roster around him).

Astro Joe

June 13th, 2010
7:24 pm

I hope that Drew has a decent budget to work with as he looks to buils his staff. I hav to guess that hiring an ex-head coach is a little more expensive than adding someone like Darrell Armstrong to the staff. I hope that he has the dough to build a very solid staff to work the details. I’d be shocked if Ty Hill isn’t retained. Horford has indicated that Hill helped him in the past and Hill just helped Drew land the gig. If we’re going with this notion of “knowing the personnel is an advantage” line of thinking, then it could also apply to some percentage of his staff. I wonder who will become the team’s “defensive coordinator” given Drew’s offensive acumen?

vava74

June 13th, 2010
7:58 pm

Astro,

It’s pretty obvious that Ty will have to stay after being a part of the presentation.

I still think we need to add someone to the staff with actual offensive low post move teaching skills.

Defensively, my initial strategy would be stick with the switching D as our main defense against most of the worst teams in the league (against whom it worked most of the year) and play a mix of man to man and zone against the best teams (or the teams against which the switching D proved ineffective).

It’s all about scouting and finding a good balance instead of blindly sticking with plan A.

Astro Joe

June 13th, 2010
8:16 pm

vava, I don’t think we have the luxry of two “big man” voaches. Not unless Hill (or the other guy) has a more significant role. But honestly, I don’t understand the Hill criticism. Dude just finished tutoring a 6′9″ guy into an All-Star center… what’s the issue (other than our bigs can’t set screens)?

O'Brien

June 13th, 2010
8:37 pm

AJ,

Just like I will give drew the benefit of the doubt, I guess I will give ty hill the benefit of the doubt too. I look forward to reading about who will be drew’s assistants.

What I would like to see drew and our big man coach do is get Josh to cut down on his jump shots, and know when to give the ball up on the break.

Vava,

I Would like to see the hawks start out man to man. Once Teague stops reaching and stops committing silly fouls, our defense on the ball will be better. And if JJ comes back, everybody will be able to defend their position.

But I agree that there is a place for switching based on the matchups.

Sautee

June 13th, 2010
8:53 pm

AJ,

It’s not just our bigs. Bibby is the ONLY decent screener on the team.

Hopefully if Drew has a patterned offense, they’ll all get better at it.

Astro Joe

June 13th, 2010
8:55 pm

If getting a guy who is playing out of his natural position to be an All-Star in his 3rd year is not tangible evidence of an assistant coach’s performance, then I truly don’t understand how to measure a “position” coach in the NBA. The only way Josh may learn to do some of those things that you referenced, OB, is for Drew o sit him down when he does those things. It’s the one stick head coaches have, playing time. And Woody was unwilling to bench his best help defender when he made a boneheaded decision on the other side of the court.

Astro Joe

June 13th, 2010
9:00 pm

Sautee, true. And while I tend to blame the screener, I think the ballhandler was also to blame sometimes…. because he is supposed to wait until the screener stops moving before making his move. It’s kind of like blaming the QB for every interception when sometimes the receiver runs the wrong route. But bottom line, we have to get better at screens next season (among other things).

O'Brien

June 13th, 2010
9:41 pm

Some good stuff from MC’s blog.

I talked to some players this weekend, and all of them said they expect LD’s approach to be different than Woody’s. Drew often ran the second-team offense in practice and was said to deploy creative sets, with one player describing them as a “fun” departures from the isolations. Another player said when things went badly for the Hawks, LD tended to be more of an “encourager” than a “screamer” and focused his energy on laying out a detailed plan for how the Hawks can get better.

So is Woody a screamer? If he is, I bet he only screamed at certain guys…

, The players credited Woody with creating a loose atmosphere that made it enjoyable for them to come to work but then they didn’t get serious when it was time to do so. Woody backed off from the long, hard and frequent practices players didn’t like and in the end they didn’t work as hard as they should. Woody gave them on-court freedom (especially J.J.) and instead of taking that trust and becoming a free-flowing offensive team, they became a selfish “get mine” kind of team–and resisted Woody’s efforts to get them to share the ball.

It will be interesting to see how they respond to Drew. Because the relationship is so much different when it’s HC Drew as opposed to assistant HC Drew.

Astro Joe

June 13th, 2010
9:57 pm

OB, MC’s blog had some interesting opposites in it. Woody wanted to create a loose atmosphere but alledgedly would yell. He had an iso-heavy offense yet MC says that the players didn;t respond when he insisted that they share the ball. He gave players freedom ut not all of them.

Woody was the same to his players as he was to the fans. If you choose to find something positive in his leadership, he provided the evidence. but if you were looking to criticize, he provided plenty of ammo, also. A player could enjoy a loose atmosphere and freedom but could also be yelled at and restricted.

richbrave

June 13th, 2010
10:47 pm

drMaryb:

What’s up lady? I see DREW is in the house. The WIZ tried a third time to get TOM THIBODEAU, no luck. He would have been my pick for HC here in ATLANTA. If the HAWKS draft at #54, I recommend a big from TULSA by the name of JEROME JORDAN. I think he’s gonna’ be a solid center in the NBA.

Blew through HOTLANTA a couple of weeks ago. Did a three week walk-about through the southeast. LITTLE SWITZERLAND, BILTMORE, week in MYRTLE with the grandbabies, through ATLANTA and BIRMINGHAM to MEMPHIS and ARKANSAS. Saw ELVIS at GRACELAND. Went to JACKSON and VICKSBURG. Back through MISSISSIPPI into ALABAMA on the NATCHEZ TRACE. FLORENCE, ALABAMA to CHATTANOOGA, to BRYSON CITY, N.C. Took a train ride, then on to the BLUE RIDGE PARKWAY. ASHEVILLE again, and up to MEADOWS of DAN then back to smoggy old RICHMOND, 3,331 miles. Nice trip. Declaring bankruptcy when the credit card comes in.

richbrave

June 13th, 2010
10:51 pm

doc/Big Ray:

HAYWOOD is gonna’ be free this summer. How about adding him to the front-line?

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
6:47 am

richbrave,

I think the Hawks would love to have Haywood. But Mark Cuban will probably pay him whatever it takes to stay in Dallas. And Haywood would not want to leave Dallas where he would probably start over Dampier, only to come to the Hawks as a backup.

AJ,

That’s probably why the shelf-life of a coach in the NBA is so short (unless you’re HOF quality). Because the same things that a player likes about you, will be the same thing that gets you fired eventually.

6 years was a lot of time for Woody. You hardly see any coach stay with one team that long.

vava74

June 14th, 2010
7:16 am

Astro,

Low post moves. Our “bigs”, with the exception of RandMo, don’t have a real low post game.

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
7:18 am

nire,

Your guy might be available. From the Oregon newspaper;

Trail Blazers coach Nate McMillan is poised to shake up his staff, and it appears he has targeted longtime NBA coach Bernie Bickerstaff to serve as his right-hand man.

Sources say lead assistant Dean Demopoulos and assistant Joe Prunty will not be retained, which comes after assistant Monty Williams left the team to become the head coach of New Orleans.

I wonder who Drew’s right hand man will be? I would love to have a guy like Bernie Bickerstaff on our bench. Demopoulous would probably be a good addition too.

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
9:33 am

vava, no doubt Horford needs to add a counter move or 2 to his growing arsenal. But I have little doubt that he will get it done and at this point, I have total confidence in Hill to help make that happen. No one can claim that Horford and Smith weren’t much better in the blocks this past season than the previous one.

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
9:45 am

OB, no doubt, Woody’s time was up. he tried some different tricks (eyebrows, utilizing his bigs more in half-court sets, playing Al with Zaza toward the end of the season) but ultimately, the players tuned him out and he ran out of tricks. Bickerstaff would be a great add to the bench. Heaven knows that his Bobcats always gave the Hawks fits even when they had a third of our talent.

During my morning commute, the sports radio shows had a very luke-warm recaction to the Drew hiring. Several said “we’ll wait and see”, kind of like “if youdon’t have anything nice to say…” One guy did suggest that if this was the candidate the players wanted, they should not have hired him, because these players haven’t earned the right to pick their coach. He said that should only be something that a proven championship team gets to do… pick their coach. Another speculated that if Drew were Sund’s choice, then this would have been done a few weeks ago. That guy believes this was an ASG hire, with Sund still preferring Casey.

They will be on-hand for the 4:00 press conference. Oh yeah, and they already mentioned that they won’t buy into any comparisons between Drew and Gentry, since Gentry had a lot of previous head coaching experience.

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
9:50 am

One more thing, from strictly a marketing perspective, the sports talk guys spent more time discussing Vince Evans’ fight at a strip club, World Cup soccer and the latest Vanity Fair article than they did the Hawks new coach. I expected more coverage of the college football re-structuring, game 5 of the finals and the Braves solid road trip… but I surely didn’t expect the Drew hire to get less play than World Cup soccer. Egads!

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
9:53 am

Astro,

Hill may not be the best big man coach when it comes to offensive moves but I’m sure he does scary alot of people with that face in practice. Lord forbid if he has stink breathe. My gosh, he would be a shutdown defender…

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
9:56 am

Somebody tell Ron Artest that Queensbridge is going to be where the Laker fans hang him from…

Defense my arse. Give me a great offensive player over a defensive standout any day…

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
10:00 am

AJ,

I think Casey would have been Sund’s choice too. Former HC, prior relationship with Sund, and a completely new voice. Did Drew win Sund over, or did the ASG get their man, I don’t know.

When BK wanted to fire Woody, he would have named Drew the interim HC for the rest of the season. But the ASG said no. And now the ASG wants to make Drew the HC 2 years later? Either way, something doesn’t add up.

I don’t think it is comparable to the Gentry hiring either. Gentry had HC experience as you mentioned, but also, he still utilizes some of D’Antoni’s offense. His main difference is on defense, and he uses his bench more than D’Antoni did. And its not like Phonenix necessarily wanted a ‘new voice’, as Sund calls it.

I do think Drew needs to light a fire under the players, because they were too complacent at times. And I hope he starts from day one.

From the marketing standpoint, it all comes back to ATL fans being so diverse.

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
10:17 am

OB, most employees don’t mind putting in hard work as long as it translates into success. In this case, success won’t be measured until after 82 regular season games. That could create some issues… I hope that he doesn’t burn them out trying to be the anti-Woody in the first 60 games or so.

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
11:10 am

Nothing really new from Sekou here, but I thought I’d share it anyway:

http://www.790thezone.com/instantreplay/Episodes.aspx?PID=1345

Daniel

June 14th, 2010
11:10 am

Just checking in to maintain my Hawks blog cred. I am deep in the World Cup right now (sorry AJ).
Larry Drew….. HHMMMM.
I would say that if we hired him from a different team we would have less issues, so that is a positive.
Did they just hire him because he is cheap? Everyone denies it, but…..
Either the ASG is brave, Drew is the man, knew they faced the fact that LD would be perceived as a cheap, boring option, but went with the “best man” anyway.
Or are our fears true…. are the Hawks becoming the Thrashers?
I have not had enough time or energy to form an opinion yet.
Peace to my peeps.

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
11:20 am

Astro,

I thought Sekou articulated one of my main concern. Why wait this long to hire an Asst Coach that’s already on your staff? And he touch on one of my conspiracies that hiring Drew has more to do with keeping the current core of players intact. They probably feel that Drew gives them the best opportunity to maximize the current core of players.

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
11:28 am

Melvin, true ‘dat.

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
11:45 am

Interesting from the standpoint of either trading #24 or trying to acquire Jack:

Chad Ford
Raptors hope to clean house

“… the Raptors are not just sitting around. Rather, Colangelo is shopping Hedo Turkoglu, Jose Calderon and Jarrett Jack with an eye toward making trades before July 1. The same source told me that a Turkoglu trade was already in the works and could happen by the draft. While the source was confident something would happen, the source didn’t disclose the potential destination(s). The Calderon and Jack discussions are moving more slowly, but over the past few days the Raptors have been pressing forward on those fronts as well. At the same time, the Raptors appear to be closing in on a trade for an additional first-round pick. Colangelo has called every team with multiple picks looking for something in the 20s, according to sources.”

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
11:47 am

Marvin/Bibby for Turk/Jack? I haven’t check the salaries but you think?

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
11:57 am

Melvin, I was think a variation of that, but including our 1st round pick and they send back cash as well. Or, we keep our pick and send Zaza. But there is definitely something there worth speculating over.

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
12:57 pm

Jarrett Jack for 3 years, $15 mil is ok. And I like Turk, but not for 4 years, $44 mil.

I think this deal might have been mentioned by Melvin previously, but if the Hawks are looking for a bad contract, I would look into Okafor’s 4 years $52 mil contract from the Hornets if we can get Collison too, who is still on his rookie contract.

And depending on what happens later on, it might allow the Hawks to trade Josh Smith, start Okafor at Center, and move Al to PF (depending on what Josh would bring in return for a trade).

vava74

June 14th, 2010
1:05 pm

Drew was not in the race, he is a “late-entry-come-from-behind-to-win” feel good story and that is the sole reason for the fact that they signed him after such a long deliberation.

This should have some resonance in the fans’ spirits and not the opposite.

As an outsider, I find it odd that the typical “american dream” story no longer hits the cord amongst you and that it is received so coldly.

You have gone a lot less mellow and my take is that you stopped watching all those beautiful early holywood “feel good” movies. :-)

Come on! Even if he only makes it past the second round of the playoffs, this will have “american dream” written all over it.

vava74

June 14th, 2010
1:12 pm

I have a hunch that under Drew and with JJ gone Marvin will prove himself valuable and an excellent contributor.

Eventually as a 6-man, but valuable the same.

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
1:51 pm

Vava,

I hoped it doesn’t sound like I bashing Drew b/c that’s not my intend. I hope he does well and take this team to the next level. However, I dislike the process on how he was hired. As Sekou mention in his interview, if you are going to fire the current coach, at least have a list of candidates in mind. Why in the heck did Drew came out of left field at the 11th hour? Sounds very suspect to me. Especially after Sund mention that he had a long list of candidates in which he had to evaluate from then make his recommendations to management after the interview process.

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
2:01 pm

vava, he’s a long-time NBA assistant, he’s not a diehard fan from the upper decks of the arena. I think you may be confusing Larry Drew with Whoopi’s character in Eddie. :lol:

Big Ray

June 14th, 2010
2:16 pm

Many reasons to suspect the ASG of internal “tampering” on the head coach thing. Right now, it’s hard for people to separate that from what Drew himself can do in the job. Reason being, we are nowhere near the start of the season, so we have no clue.

In the meantime, I hope Sund does some things this summer that takes our minds off of these types of subjects. In a positive way, that is…

Big Ray

June 14th, 2010
2:19 pm

Vava ,

I’d like that, but I’m wondering just what it is that Drew can do to make that happen? What can Drew do to make Marvin play good defense all the time? Hit the open shot? Stop hesitating with the ball in his hands, and be aggressive/assertive in driving? Rebound the ball more? Finish at the basket or draw the foul, instead of flailing, flopping, and getting blocked?

Scratch that. What will Marvin’s contribution be to all of this?

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
2:23 pm

OB,

I don’t like your Hornets trade b/c I think both player (Collison/Okafor) are duplicates of current Hawks players (Teague/Horfod). Collison is a good defender with speed and quickness to get to the rim on offense but lacks a consistent jumper. I think we will see Teague with a similar game next season when giving the mins. Oakfor maybe an inch bigger/thicker than AL but his offensive skills are limited or even inferior to Al’s. I’m not sure I would pay Oakfor that huge contract when his game does not compliment Al’s all that well. I would look for a cheaper big man that could replace ZaZa and could play alongside Al and Josh. Also, the league is moving towards having guys who can be a stretch PF rather than a traditional back to the basket PF so I think keeping Josh is even more important b/c he could cover those mobile PF’s and add (unmatched) athleticism to Hawks line up…

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
2:54 pm

OB, I think that you will enjoy reading the comments about the Marvin/Bibby contracts in this blog about Drew’s hiring.

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2010/06/atlanta-hawks-to-hire-larry-drew-as.html

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
4:01 pm

Good link AJ.

the hawks resigned bibby and Marvin for continuity. And when it was suggested to bench Marvin, there were concerns about team chemistry. Come to find out that the chemistry was not what it seemed.

I know that’s one of your concerns about drew. Is the ASG looking for continuity? That being said, I think rick and Larry need to shake things up.

Melvin,

I’m not really a fan of the okafor trade either. Not with his contract.
If Tyson Chandler does not opt out, is there a deal we could swing for him?

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
4:42 pm

OB,

I’m not sure we have what the Bobcats want especially since they would be trading an expiring contract. I think they are looking for another shooter, low-post scorer and/or more dynamic PG. I think our only hope would be to take one of their bad contracts like Diop along with Chandler but we would problem have to give up Crawford in a package. As much as I like Tyson, I would not trade Crawford for him.

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
7:02 pm

After reading Bradley’s column, I’m reminded of too many draft nights where there is so much anticipation and excitement, promise and hope… we’re tracking who is left as we approach our selection… we get excited about the possibility that 1-2 of our personal favorites are still available… we watch Stern walk to the podium awaiting to hear the name of our perceived savior… and he utters…. “(oh ehack, fill in the name of virtually any pick in the past 20 years here)”.

That’s how i feel anbout Drew. Maybe he will grow on me like some other draft picks in the past… I certainly hope so.

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
7:03 pm

From ajc.com;

Said Drew, speaking Monday at his inaugural media briefing: “That’s a tough question. Assistant coaches give the head coach as much information as they can. His job is to decide what to use. As a coaching staff, we did our job. Mike made a decision to use what he wanted to use.”

Is that Woody under the bus? Can’t blame Coach Drew though, because he has to separate himself from Woody wherever possible.

And looking at the ajc picture, a lot of players were there. Even Jason Collins and RandMo (who are not under contract for next year, and who received very litte, if any PT) showed up at Larry Drew’s press conference. To me, that shows how much the players like him (although I dont know if thats a good thing).

Thats interesting however, because only one or two guys (including Randolph Morris) showed up for Crawford’s sixth man of the year presentation.

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
7:47 pm

Oh my, Dennis Scott just said on NBATV that economics had a lot to do with the Hawks hiring Drew b/c they didn’t want to pay alot for a coach. SMH… I’m sure the ASG is not cheap, they prefer to spend the money on the players…;-)

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
7:52 pm

They are interviewing Sekou Smith on TV. Not only he said Woody had problems with Josh Smith but Anthony Johnson, Josh Childress, ZaZa and Mo Evans.. Also he said that many times it was Drew who came between Josh and Woody. And Drew and Josh has a great relationship….

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
7:57 pm

Melvin,

If that’s true, maybe that’s Why drew did not enter the picture until later.

ASG wanted Johnson, Casey or Jackson, but once they found out their asking prices, they had to find somebody cheaper. Enter Larry drew.

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
8:04 pm

OB,

Now Woody knows who put the knife in his back…lol

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
9:21 pm

Coach Drew is talking a good game. Re-signing impending free agent Joe Johnson was a priority, as was getting Johnson to share the ball on offense. Forward Josh Smith will be positioned near the basket and not on the perimeter.

I hope he does what he can to back it up. 2 other parts jump out at me from MC’s article;

By the end of Drew’s news conference, every player on Atlanta’s 2009-10 roster except for Johnson and Joe Smith had filed in to show support. So far, it seems like all the players like him a lot.

According to to people with knowledge of the team’s evaluations, management concerns involved Woodson’s entire program.

So maybe it was a house of cards after all.

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
9:34 pm

I don’t understand how you have a problem with the predecessor’s entire program and then hire his lead assistant and potenitally bring back another member of his staff (Ty Hill). They had a chance to break a complete and undeniable break from the previous regime and they opted not to do so.

Let’s hope that the established relationships can be maintained during the transition fom one chair to another. And let’s hope that Drew doesn’t take for granted that it may not be the same this week as it was last week.

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
9:37 pm

Astro,

Follow the money… Just follow the money dude….

vava74

June 14th, 2010
9:48 pm

Astro,

Long time assistant with his “window of opportunity” clearly shutting down fast (or completely shut in the eyes of the public): that qualifies as “american dream material” in my book.

A fan being given an opportunity to coach an NBA team qualifies as comic relief. By the way, I enjoyed “Eddie” as I always enjoy Whoopie’s work. Adding bball to W was a double wammy for me.

Ray,

As for Marvin? Maybe a more fast paced game with Marvin filling the lanes will make him loosen up his game.

One thing I know: he may be clumsy, but Marvin is definitively not the stationary spot shooter type.

Marvin only gets “hot” when the game is more fast paced and he gets the ball within sequences in which he is cutting or has the ability to quickly cut/move and get the shot off or the foul (or both) from mid range.

His long ball is a mere complement, so trying to make him shoot while being sitting on a corner stone cold was catering to his worst characteristic and not understanding this or understanding and not making any adjustments during the year (including benching him and playing JJ at the SF slot and starting Mo at the SG slot) is a testament on how limited is Woody.

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
9:51 pm

Melvin, true ‘dat (again). But it’s just so frustrating. Imagine that you dated a girl for 6 years and then had a horrible break-up. You decide that you want to put the whole relationship behind you. So you start dating her best friend. It’s freakin’ retarded.

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
9:54 pm

AJ,

More and more, this is starting to look like a (lack of) money hire. But I hope we are wrong. I hope he impressed them during his interview process and won them over.

And to all the doubters (I keep flip flopping), I hope Drew shows us that regardless of the reason, he was the right choice after all.

Melvin,

Are you saying the ASG is cheap?

I know nire has a bum shoulder, but I am surprised he has not shown up to defend the ASG and their spending habits….

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
9:58 pm

And for those Alvin Gentry fans, Drew was an assistant under Alvin Gentry when Gentry coached the Pistons.

Big Ray

June 14th, 2010
10:07 pm

In other news, it looks like Larry Drew’s hiring was a cheap move….ooops, has that been said already?

Astro Joe

June 14th, 2010
10:12 pm

So I went to the Hawks website to try to find the press conference and I happened upon a clip of David Aldridge discussing the process of the Hawkschoosing their coach. And Aldridge mentions that it will likely come down to Drew because of money. I can’t believe that someone employed by the Hawks would put that specific video clip on their website.

Even if you don’t believe that money factored into the decision, they (the ASG) just continue to find ways to have their most loyal fans question if the know what the F they are doing.

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
10:15 pm

Big Ray, showing up in gray, dare I say, a new blog is on the way?

O'Brien

June 14th, 2010
10:35 pm

AJ,

If you havent seen the press conference, there is a link to it from foxsports.com on Page 3 on MC’s blog posted by “OK”.

Jeff Schultz also has a good article up talking about Drew’s comments.

vava74

June 14th, 2010
10:43 pm

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/06/14/20100614_gt_hawks_coach.nba/

how can someone not feel good about this guy? stop thinking about money!

spending more money does not guarantee more success. stop being like that, for goodness sakes.

this guy EARNED his job with a remarkable interview process, showing that he is a resourceful man and someone who had the guts to go for it when he was AGAIN being run over by a guy who has proven ZERO in his previous tenure as an HC (Casey) and by a guy who’s resume as an bball coach is as as long as mine.

Listen to Sund’s words. He does not sound – at all – a guy who had to give back flips to hire Drew:

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/06/14/20100614_gt_hawks_coach.nba/

Melvin

June 14th, 2010
11:24 pm

OB,

I’m not saying that this hire had to do with the ASG being cheap, it was Dennis Scott who said, and David Aldridge, Mark Stein, Chad Ford and couple other writers who cover the NBA…

All F* it, yeah I’m them cheap too….

doc

June 15th, 2010
12:33 am

i think by now we all ought to understand everything that woody used was drew’sidea and what didnt was woody’s ideas. that is what the insiders have to know. now you know!

aj ;-)

niremetal

June 15th, 2010
1:10 am

O’Brien/Melvin/etc,

I know this is going to sound very condescending, but I’ve given up trying to explain the intricacies of sports business to people that don’t know and don’t even seem to care enough to learn jack-sh!t about sports business. News flash: that includes most of the talking heads and ESPN writers. Hell, it includes almost all of them. They are writers who cover the game, not accountants, MBAs, attorneys who develop and analyze the business of the game. They know nothing about limited liability, operating agreements, and rules governing capital investments. Hell, most of them have a tough time just remembering all the salary cap rules.

But here’s my last 3-paragraph attempt to break down for you why ASG is not cheap. It boils down to this: They have absolutely no reason to be cheap. They gain nothing by spending less than the team can afford. The team’s finances are completely and totally separate from their own. Under every operating agreement that an NBA team has with the league, that is a requirement. When ASG spends money on the Hawks or Thrashers, it does not come out of the owners’ pockets because ASG, the Hawks, and the Thrashers are all separate entities – both from each other and from the individual owners.

The only – and I do mean the only – time that owners gain or lose money on the team is when the team is sold. Teams that underutilize their available revenues are worth less, and thus sell for less. Thus, even in the one case where the team’s spending does actually have an effect on the owners’ finances, the owners reap absolutely no benefit by being “cheap.” The reality is that the Hawks spend as much as they believe they will be able to “earn back” through revenues such as ticket sales, TV contracts, and merchandise. That’s it. The owners’ budget is based on that, and nothing else. And David Stern makes damned sure of that, because he can’t afford to have teams that drastically reduce spending based on the personal finances or caprices of their owners (many of which face severe personal financial distress at some point in their lives). That has held doubly true since the implementation of the luxury tax, which many believe was implemented in part because some teams’ owners stood to gain more by “overspending” on their teams by investing more of their own money (knowing that they’d lose that money) in order to reduce their tax liabilities in other businesses.

This is the last time I’ll say all this. Seriously. If it makes you feel any better to rail about ASG’s spending, fine. But given the realities of pro sports business, they have zero merit.

vava74

June 15th, 2010
4:21 am

Nire,

maybe I’m going to force you to talk about this subject again.

I am under the impression that the ASG is losing money operating the two franchises since their operations result into a yearly deficit: income has been less than expenditure.

I am also under the impression that due to this they had a cash call – under the operating agreement in place – which implied that Belkin either had to put more money or see his participation diminish.

If the above is reasonable accurate, the size of the pockets of the ASG’s members does matter since the level of losses and of the subsequent and consequent cash calls to keep the group afloat will vary according to the level of spending.

Yes, their liability as members is limited, however a franshise is worth very little if it folds and ceases operations, so the members have to inject more cash on a yearly basis depending on how well the franchises operate as a business.

As you say, you only make money on re-sale since a sports franchise is seldom anything more than a very very expensive toy and not really a profitable business due to the restrictions imposed by the leagues: you need to present year in, year out a product with a minimum of quality, regardless of your actual finantial return.

This is why Cuban and Prokhorov make such good owners, they can continue to make cash calls without being really bothered with losing 5 or 10 million more per annum.

doc

June 15th, 2010
7:13 am

ok nire the hawks owners are not cheap, they have cash flow problems or maybe they are some that prefer to not spend money if it doesnt get an immediate payback on the investment. some in the group have already seen that they cant keep pace due to their own financial restraints and have taken lesser percentages of ownership than originally designed. i can say these guys dont have deep pockets cant i? isnt there enough evidence of that?

nire, some owners are cheap plain and simple just like people on this world with the same resources at their disposal. maybe not these guys, as it is your opinion but some owners are not spending as much as others for whatever reason. some organizations continue to keep costs down while others spend. is buss cheap? no. is his counterpart, sterling, in the same town cheap? uh, probably as he has the same town to draw upon as it has always been his choice to spend the least amount possible. btw, i am not equating spending, with spending smart either.

when our guys have a choice they keep the costs down and have since the inception of their group. that is well documented in comments and direct quotes from them during their divorce proceedings in court. do i think it was smart in a selection of a coach? time will tell and is what we are all waiting to see answered.

many weeks ago i said coaching was the last place you want to spend less on to protect your assets and product for many reasons, which you echoed a few days ago. it seems the asg have spent about as little on their selection and still not be the bottom guys. if drew turns out well then it was well spent, if not, we can call them cheap or spendthrift, stupid or all of the above.

Astro Joe

June 15th, 2010
7:32 am

Put me down in the “under-funded” category. Or, to be kind, extremely risk averse category.

doc

June 15th, 2010
8:49 am

nire:

“When ASG spends money on the Hawks or Thrashers, it does not come out of the owners’ pockets because ASG, the Hawks, and the Thrashers are all separate entities – both from each other and from the individual owners.”

didnt slidell feel it was coming out of his pocket and reduce his position, nire? cash flow is cash flow and except for the government, most cant make it up out of thin air without some major consequences. neither can governments, though they think they can, i might add, i.e. portugal, greece, etc. hope i didnt touch any nerve there vava.

vava, i guess the lawyer in you doesnt know what is going on either, eh?

vava:

“Yes, their liability as members is limited, however a franshise is worth very little if it folds and ceases operations, so the members have to inject more cash on a yearly basis depending on how well the franchises operate as a business.”

my, what a novel concept, vava.

again, slidell found cash calls prohibitive early on, in spite of the “limited liability”. broke people and broke franchises dont get the best market price so it limits what they can spend if they have to protect their asset, no? maybe not cheap but as astro says risk adverse. that is my guess from time to time they have protected their assets, acted responsibly to the company and their families and held to a budget that they all have to agree on that allows them to further their investment and only appear cheap.

for whatever reason our guys spend less for both basketball and hockey than most owners ranking in the bottom third for both sport. that is well documented. i am not a lawyer so hopefully i havent over stepped my boundaries. i will further add, i think cash flow is a problem and has been. frugality has been more the effort rather than free spending which we fans would like to see. “cheapness” might be a part of it though not all of it. again, all is my guess based on how their business has been conducted.

me, i am cheap though my owners want me to be free spenders. heh heh, or let me say i am the discerning buyer. they probably argue they are the same.

vava74

June 15th, 2010
9:14 am

doc,

As far as I understand from niremetal’s words: most (if not all) NBA owners only make money when they sell on the franchise to someone else, not during the year to year operations.

For instance: when they buy a franchise for 200 million, run it at a small profit, break even or at a sustainable loss like apparently the Thrashers and the Hawks are being run right now (and most of the NBA as Commish Stern claims) they subsequently have the possibility of selling the franchise after 6 or 7 years for 300 million. It is worth it if you spend during that period an extra 15 to 20 million for instance as extra capital injected in the yearly operations.

A franchise is a high spending TOY which can only remain in the red (spending more than its earnings) for either a limited period of time – if the owners are not filthy rich – or for how long that filthy rich owner is willing to fund covering the operating loss with further capital.

It is perfectly possible for someone to buy a franchise for 200 million, own it for 10 years, injecting on a yearly basis more cash to keep it running and then find a buyer for 400 million.

As I said above, sports franchises are most of the time TOYS which may work as long term investments, rather than good/secure business ventures.

So I don’t see what is difficult to grasp from on my words above. It’s perfectly logical and defensible concept:

When someone buys a NBA franchise its personal liability is limited to the capital, however, it is in his best interest to put in more cash and wait for better times to sell on his investment rather than let it go under during dire times. However, the level of extra cash comittment is something which you and I cannot criticise.

Or do you feel that Cuban owns the Mavs to achieve profit on an yearly basis?

Astro Joe

June 15th, 2010
9:42 am

I assume this is one of Drew’s first radio interviews as the Hawks head coach:

http://www.790thezone.com/instantreplay/Episodes.aspx?PID=1345

Astro Joe

June 15th, 2010
10:00 am

There was another interview on 680 that I heard a portion of (it isn’t available on their website yet) and he talked specifically about ensuring Josh is close to the basket, Marvin finds his rhythm, the ball moves more on offense (a 5-man tag team was a memorable expression he used) and he talked more extensively about Teague. He said that he told Teague to return with a “starter’s mentality” and raved about his skill set. So it’s pretty clear that Teague will have every opportunity to get significant minutes next season. I will post it once I find it on their website.

Back to the 790 interview… if hiring Drew gets Childress back in a Hawks uniform, I will go out and get a Drew jersey. OK, well, that may be hard to find, but I will be very, very happy if afro-man returns.

Astro Joe

June 15th, 2010
10:16 am

doc said “it seems the asg have spent about as little on their selection and still not be the bottom guys. if drew turns out well then it was well spent, if not, we can call them cheap or spendthrift, stupid or all of the above”.

I will simply say that you get what you pay for. Here’s hoping that we get a Four Seasons experience from our Hampton Inn head coach. But it’s kind of odd that the ASG fired one head coach who was deemed ineffective and hired his lead assistant and is paying him less than his predecessor. Does any of that scream “upgrade”?

O'Brien

June 15th, 2010
10:21 am

So if more fans show up to games, will that translate into the ASG spending more money on coaching salaries?

AJ,

Another good comment that Drew made in regards to JJ, was “implementing some things that probably will take the ball out of his hands a little bit more but it will make him even more effective.”

Drew has confidence in what Teague can bring to the team, so I’m glad he’s letting Teague know that he should have the starter’s mentality. I think this puts pressure on Teague to improve his game and be ready to be a starter, which is good. Show us what you got Jeff. But I would like to see us add a third PG just in case.

I think Sund needs to bring another legitimate SF in here (Chills, Barnes etc), and let him and Marvin compete for the starting spot.

Astro Joe

June 15th, 2010
10:44 am

OB, I don’t think we need to worry about Joe. If Joe is willing to play with LeBron or Wade or one of those kind of guys, then he is clearly saying “I don’t need iso-Joe” to play the game. It is interesting because so far, Drew is talking about offense about as often as Woody talked about defense, which should excite most fans.

Melvin

June 15th, 2010
10:48 am

Something tells me not to be surprise if Bibby gets traded. If the Kings draft Cousins, I wouldn’t mind shipping Bibby back to Sac-town for Spencer Hawes or to the Rockets for the 14th pick then where we could probably land Whitesides or Paul George…:)

Melvin

June 15th, 2010
10:50 am

hmmm, my post in regards to the Drew hiring was eaten by the blog monster. dang it.

vava74

June 15th, 2010
11:04 am

I don’t know if anyone has realized this interesting fact:

Drew was drafted #17
Teague was drafted #17

doc

June 15th, 2010
11:35 am

vava, i dont negate the premise that these guys may not make paper profits from year to year and that there is some leveraging going on when it comes to short term and long term financial concerns. however, cash flow and what individuals are willing to take on as risk plays a part in it. i imagine there are even clubs that make money all along. we will never know as the owners dont want to share any more than they have too with us or certainly with the union.

ultimately, it is about impressions and illusions. our guys by their actions have always seemed the frugal type and played it that way. why one would argue it so vehemently otherwise when it was well documented how they stated the model they were going to use was to spend the minimum at the outset could not be interpreted as running it on the cheap. there was no desire to rebuild quickly to save money.

i also dont think stern has any control over what sterling spends outside of what he has to based on the formulas of the cba. i think that was one of nire’s comments. no, i havent read it but the guidelines are pretty apparent that there can be 100 million dollar difference in how one organization spends versus another. look at the knicks and the clips, neither model i would recommend to the masses. just arguing there is a huge disparity where stern has no control over. one is extravagant and has moxi because of outside revenues to make the pockets deeper, the other a crazy owner who has always run his team on the cheap.

Sautee

June 15th, 2010
12:22 pm

vava,

nice idea, but Teague was #19.

niremetal

June 15th, 2010
12:26 pm

So if more fans show up to games, will that translate into the ASG spending more money on coaching salaries?

Yes. And if they don’t, I’ll eat my words. The strongest correlation with payroll in the NBA with home attendance, not with wins and losses.

Vava/Doc,

Really not going to get back into it, especially with doc after his “it was well documented how they stated the model they were going to use was to spend the minimum at the outset” BS. Their strategy was to clear cap space. That’s what you do when you rebuild. Calling the Hawks cheap for clearing cap space for JJ makes no more sense than calling the Knicks cheap for clearing cap space for this summer – because it’s a given that next year, they will have one of the league’s lowest payrolls. It’s BS. Doc doesn’t want to hear it. Fine. I’m done trying to argue with Doc about something he made up his mind about 5 years ago.

As for your arguments regarding cash infusions, I am not aware of any owner who has made those extra cash infusions to their team since the advent of the luxury tax, beyond the required capital investments that the league requires of all owners. I know Paul Allen used to do that with the Blazers, but he closed his wallet in a hurry once the luxury tax came along. To the extent that there are capital investments, I’d imagine it’s to deal with non-basketball operations things like marketing rather than personnel management stuff. The CBA and the league’s revenue structure just doesn’t provide any incentive for teams to spend beyond or below their means, which is how it should be (otherwise, owners could arbitrarily invest and remove money from the team as the owners’ personal finances allowed, like Huizenga did with the Marlins back in ‘98).

The best-run sports league is the NFL, which gives owners virtually no discretion in spending, in large part because so much of revenue comes from the league’s TV contracts. NFL owners are on so short a leash with regard to spending that it’s ridiculous. The MLB has the least control over it’s owners, which is why you see supermassive disparities in between big and small markets in terms of spending. The NBA is in between – enough revenue is shared that there is a “floor” for spending, but there also is enough independent revenues generated by the teams that teams like NYK, BOS, CHI, and LAL are at a distinct advantage (and teams that are the “only show in town” like POR/SAS/UTA do better and spend more than comparably-sized cities with other teams like MIL/CHA/NOH that have to compete with other pro sports teams).

It is possible, I suppose, to imagine a multibillionaire owner so rich that he can afford to throw tens of millions of dollars down the drain (and it would take that much, since contracts for good players are nearly always long-term deals), and is a devoted enough fan to his team that he’s willing to do it. I suppose a richer version of Monty Brewster could do the same thing as well. They could just pour the capital in, and not worry about the likelihood that they’ll never get anything close to an even return on their investment (especially since the NBA does not allow owners to take back money from their teams). But those owners don’t exist in the modern NBA; hell, I don’t even think they exist in baseball anymore. Pretending otherwise does no one any good.

vava74

June 15th, 2010
12:48 pm

dang! i thought he was #17 :-)

maybe he was the 7th PG selected…

richbrave

June 15th, 2010
12:54 pm

CHIP JONES discussing potential retirement with BRAVES officials as I type this.

O'Brien

June 15th, 2010
1:03 pm

Chipper Jones needs to retire. Not only has he been injured, but he has not produced enough on the field when he does play. Combined with the fact that he is making $14 mil, I think he needs to hang it up, rather than come back only to struggle next year again. Plus this is the second year in a row he is struggling.

Astro Joe

June 15th, 2010
1:33 pm

I’m guessing the potntial HOF class could include Chipper, Cox, Glavine, Smoltz and Griffey, Jr. Pretty good I’d say, even by HOF standards.

O'Brien

June 15th, 2010
1:45 pm

AJ,

That’s a great class. With 4 braves no less. It sucks we only have 1 WS though.

Hoopshype is reporting that Denver is looking to trade ty lawson for the #10 pick. Is his value that high?

Meanwhile, bird and the Pacers might be interested. Last year, They passed on ty Lawson, jrue holiday, teague and Eric maynor.

Instead, they took Tyler hansboro.

When will Larry bird and Joe dumars be on the hot seat?

doc

June 15th, 2010
1:49 pm

richie those talks cancelled. a meeting to cancel a meeting?

Astro Joe

June 15th, 2010
1:50 pm

OB, I think both of those guys have no more than 2 seasons left with their respective clubs.

From my patented “you heard it hear first file”…. Nate McMillan will be the next coach of our Atlanta Hawks.

richbrave

June 15th, 2010
2:47 pm

DOOP!!! Must have reconsidered. 28+ mill is a lot to leave on the table.

richbrave

June 15th, 2010
2:49 pm

O’Brien

June 15th, 2010
1:45 pm

Hoopshype is reporting that Denver is looking to trade ty lawson for the #10 pick. Is his value that high?

NO.

Melvin

June 15th, 2010
3:30 pm

richbrave,

I think you are going to be proud to live in the DC area for years to come with the arrival of John Wall in basketball, McNabb in football and those two young players the Nats drated #1 in the past two drafts… Things should be looking up for the DC area.

Melvin

June 15th, 2010
3:36 pm

Astro,

I had my doubts about the Drew hiring at first but I have really warm up to his hiring. Although actions speak louder than words, I’m really impressed by some of the things that Drew is saying. Especially about implementing a more reaction type offense b/c the Hawks do not have that many guys who are strong off the dribble.

I know I have complained and had my suspicions about the hiring process but Drew does seem eager, confident, well prepared and ready to be a Head Coach.

Maybe the ASG back their way into a good coaching hiring similar to the Al Horford draft pick. Anyhow, I’m ok with Drew being the coach now.

Astro Joe

June 15th, 2010
4:08 pm

Here’s the second interview I mentioned this morning… the one with a little more detail about the offense and Teague.

http://www.680thefan.com/audiovault/rude_awakening.php

Melvin

June 15th, 2010
5:59 pm

Astro,

Thanks for both links. At first I had my doubts about Drew but after hearing him speak about the team and what he would like to do, I’m warming up to his hiring. I really like how he said he would implement an offense that requires more reaction b/c they don’t have a lot of guys who are strong offensive players off the dribble. Drew seems to be eager, confident, well prepared and ready to become a head coach. I think (or hope) he may be more of a Doc Rivers type than Alvin Gentry (hopefully for the ASG stake). Although I didn’t like the hiring process, I think the ASG might have back their way into a good hire similar to the way they back themselves into the Al Horford pick. Some call it, dumb luck….:)

Melvin

June 15th, 2010
6:01 pm

Uh oh, look like Steve Kerr is out as GM in Phx. Did that Shaq trade do him in…

O'Brien

June 15th, 2010
9:59 pm

It will be interesting to see how the players resond to Drew, because he has already laid some of the ground rules for what he’s thinking.

Josh – Stay in the post, reduce jump shots
JJ – less of a ball hog, more ball movement, more effective
Teague – compete for starting position
Bibby – spot up shooter

Melvin,

Maybe its the failure to trade Stoudemire that did him in.

Tom Izzo says no to Cleveland. Who’s next? Byron Scott?

tjhook

June 15th, 2010
11:25 pm

how does everyone feel about bringing in Al Harrington? The Hawks need another low-post threat to give the perimeter guys some cushion and allow Horford, Smith, Zaza the chance to crash the boards. And we could probrably use the mid-level exception to pick him up.

kwooden1

June 15th, 2010
11:39 pm

I like what Larry Drew has had to say about the team and of the candidates available I think he’s the best choice. We’ve all seen the things that need to improve with the team and Larry just sounds like he’s echoing those things. Now it comes down to the guys improving their own games.

Josh Smith
1) Has to improve his jump-shot (teams are going to give him that shot he’s got to be able to make them)
2) Right-Hand jump-hook (can’t let teams sit on his left-hand in the post)
3) Strength and endurance (he’s got to play a lot of minutes at a high level for the HAWKS to be successful)

Horford
1) Left-Hand jump-hook
2) Up and under
3) Much better fade-away

Marvin
1) Aggressive Mentality

We can’t expect Teague to be the difference maker as a 2nd year player. Our All-Star and near All-Star have to improve. Marvin has to change his mentality.

GO HAWKS!

Big Ray

June 16th, 2010
1:19 am

Tom Izzo spurns the Cavs offer. Gee whiz, what a surprise….meanwhile he now has probably gotten himself a raise at MSU by making them sweat for a bit.

Big Ray

June 16th, 2010
1:22 am

Niremetal rebuttal rescued from the blog monster. It posted back at 12:30 or so yesterday….

Have at it.

O'Brien

June 16th, 2010
7:18 am

From espn.com;

NBA coaching sources told ESPN.com that Sam Mitchell will be interviewed this week by the Nets as a potential top assistant to new coach Avery Johnson, who wants at least one former head coach on the bench with him in New Jersey.

I would like having Sam Mitchell on our bench. And he is an Atlanta resident too. I’m looking forward to seeing who Drew gets on his staff. But I hope he gets a former HC on his bench too.

@ Melvin,

It looks like Kevin Seraphin is staying in the draft after all. I don’t think I like him at #24 though.

@ AJ,

Good interview from LD. The interesting thing is he is saying the same thing that us average fans have been saying the entire year. Too much ISOs, not enough ball movement, Josh needs to be in the post more, and we need to defend better. Hopefully he can convince the players to buy in. And if they don’t, he needs to reprimand them.

One part that stuck out to me was he said he didn’t think Marvin knew his role last year. Hopefully once Marvin’s role is defined, and we get better ball movement, maybe Marvin can improve on his season from last year (although I can’t imagine him getting worse).

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
9:27 am

OB, yeah, I guess since Woody refused to listen to him, he spent most of his free time reading the blogs to determine the issues with the team. If he calls Marvin “duck”, then we will know that dude is not a bonafide coach, just a voracious blog reader. :twisted:

Kerr was really good on TV, he will probably move into Doug Collins’ vacated chair on TNT.

OB, there are other former head coaches around (like Terry Porter, Lawrence Frank, Brian Hill, etc). I hope that he considers a former head coach with a strong defenive reputation as so far, he seems to approach defense as an after-thought.

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
9:31 am

Blog monster strikes again.

OB, I guess since Drew’s opinion wasn’t registering with Woody, he spent his free time reading blogs. But I won’t get concerned (yet) that his analysis of the Hawks issues are as deep as a typical fan. He could consider several unemployed former coaches like Terry Porter, Lawrence Frank and one-year wonders like Vinnie Del Negro and Michael Curry. I’d like to see a former coach maybe handle the defense… Drew hasn’t yet expressed that side as a priority.

Kerr was really good on TV, I wonder if he will claim Doug Collins’ vacated seat at TNT?

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
9:40 am

Melvin, MC covered the other thing that I heard some of the radio guys who attended the press conference discuss. Drew believes he will introduce an offense that isn’t used in the league, something that “forces” ball movement. He also said that he would like Smith to play like Amare… catch and go to the rim, no need to dribble and certainly no need to shoot jumpers. Just catch and attack the rim. It’s pretty clear what side of the ball has his focus… the same side that you love.

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
10:02 am

Astro,

Until they change the rules, you know the one that declares the winner by who scored the most points in the game. I will always be more concern with the offensive side of the ball.

Whoop Dee Damn Drew….

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
10:05 am

OB,

Looks like Craig Brackins is climbing back up the draft boards. I’m warming back up to him at #24…. Last year there was discussion of him being a lottery pick….

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
10:19 am

Brackins, Jordan, Booker and my new one, Pittman are my 4 preferences. I don’t care how they are ranked against other candidates, they will fit our team and will be in position to contribute immediately. And if Damien James slips for some reason, he moves to the top of the list. Drew has 2 years to prove himself (and Sund may not have much longer), let’s not draft some 19 YO project who struggles to spell the word “basketball”. An upperclassman please.

O'Brien

June 16th, 2010
10:50 am

AJ, Melvin,

I am good with brackins or Booker or damian jones. And I like Pittman or Varnado in the second round. We need guys who can contribute 10-15 productive minutes immediately.

So Larry drew could use a former HC on his bench. And he needs a defensive coordinator. Why not kill 2 birds with one stone? Hire Woody.

niremetal

June 16th, 2010
11:07 am

Interesting logic there, Melvin. Isn’t it just as true that the team who holds the other team to the fewest points wins?

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
11:20 am

nire, no way, that’s why we see so many games in the NBA Finals end with a 127-121 score… because offense rules. Wasn’t that the score last night?

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
11:39 am

Has anyone heard or read anything about the draft workout sessions at Philips? That is going on this week, right?

O'Brien

June 16th, 2010
12:38 pm

Melvin,

If it was all about offense, Nash and D’Antoni would have been to an NBA finals already.

AJ,

Workouts are this week, but I havent heard anything.

As for the guys we discussd, Booker’s workout is on Saturday, Brackins and Varnado on Sunday.

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
1:02 pm

With Wall coming, Rondo, Rose, Jennings and Arenas already here and the possible re-emerging of Devin Harris… I’m leaning more and more that big help defenders should be the priority in the off-season. Either via the draft, freee agency or trades. It is illogical to think that those guys won’t be effective against other quick guards (like Teague) so the best way to defend them is with help defense. Rose suffered 2 injuries against the Magic, not because Jameer kept him out of the lane but because he was funneled into Howard and lost the collision. If I were Sund, I’d focus on 6′9″+ guys with tremendous agility and athleticism… someone who can protect the rim against smaller players (not neccessarily defend a Boozer-type bruiser). And if Teague is successful at stopping dribble penetration and those combo guards start shooting (like Jennings in the playoffs), then we need agile bigs who can go get the rebound even if it isn’t coming right to them. A lumbering big who can’t get to the other side of the lane in time is not going to cut it. I liked what i heard Van Gundy say last night, “the game is often won when the ball is in the air”.

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
1:04 pm

Sorry, the above list was meant to represent Eastern Conference threats… obviously there are plenty of dangerous guards on the other side but we don’t have to worry about them as often.

O'Brien

June 16th, 2010
1:24 pm

AJ,

Funneling guys was Bibby’s best defense. And that’s what makes Josh such a great asset, although he is not a great one on one defender. His help defense is great.

Given Varnado’s blocks and rebound averages the last 3 years at an SEC school, I think he would be a good pickup in the second round (although we might have to trade up to get him). I see him as a much improved version of Solomon Jones.

However, the Hawks still need a bruiser on the bench. And ZaZa is clearly not that guy.

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
1:54 pm

OB, given the 2-year Drew contract and the possibility that Joe leaves, i would roll the dice and trade our ‘10-11 1st round pick (lottery protected) plus this year’s 2nd round pick to either Washington or OKC for their late 1sr round and early 2nd round picks. Bascially, I want 3 picks in the 24-35 range. And there is a good chance I would draft some combo of James, Brackins, Booker, Jordan, Pittman or Varnado. I HAVE to believe any of those guys will be better in the next 2 seasons than someone on the vet’s minimum (like Joe Smith or Battie) or an NBDL player (like Pendergraph discussed previously). If Drew’s never-seen-before-offense doesn’t require much more of he bigs than catch and attack the rim, then let’s add some good defenders and allow this great offensive scheme to provide the points. Kind of like Sund previously brought in guys who could create their own shot (Jamal and Teague) and allowed Woody to try to get the defense to work. Flip the script for Drew and give him multi-level and agile defenders as a priority.

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
2:03 pm

AJ,

I thought the Bulls were eliminated by the Cavs in this year playoffs…

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
2:51 pm

Melvin, I was talking about in the regular season. You may recall that Rose missed time during the regular season and both times were after he ran into a brick wall named Dwight Howard. Remember, when Acie Law was giving some PT and actually played well because Rose was hurt?

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
2:57 pm

Melvin, after the second incident, Howard was kind enough to offer Rose some unsolicited advice:

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/03/should-injured-derrick-rose-listen-to-dwight-howards-advice/

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
4:48 pm

Melvin & OB, Chad Ford’s 5th mock draft has Brackins going #26 to OKC with this write-up:

Analysis: Brackins would be a good pick for the Thunder. He’s a high-character guy who can score inside and outside and will play hard. Right now, Nenad Krstic is the only big who can really get it done in the post. Brackins could be a nice long-term fit.

So ESPN has him at 26 and nbadraft.net at 22. I say let’s split the difference… 24, baby!

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
4:55 pm

Astro,

Who does Ford have the Hawks picking?

kwooden1

June 16th, 2010
6:45 pm

I still like Seraphin with the 24th pick, but DraftExpress has us picking Stanley Robinson. I would take that pick if we can get a solid PF in free-agency.

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
6:48 pm

“Drew’s the man, but what’s the plan?”

The plan is to install an unique ball and body movement offense and to hold each individual player accountable on defense without using gimmick defense…. There’s the plan. Like it or not. We got a coach that knows what he want to do on both sides of the ball. On to the next subject, player personnel…. Sund, your on the clock again.

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
6:50 pm

Melvin, according to Ford, with the 24th pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, the Atlanta Hawks select…
Lance Stephensen 19 YO from Cincinnati (I’m having Demarr Johnson flashbacks)
Analysis: The Hawks aren’t known for really swinging for the fences. But they just might try with Stephenson. With Joe Johnson looking as though he may bolt this summer, the team is going to need another wing and Stephenson has as much talent as anyone left on the board.

He has an NBA body, can play the iso game and has a high basketball IQ. His lack of a 3-point jump shot could be a concern for the Hawks, but at this point I think you have to take the best player available.

vava74

June 16th, 2010
7:08 pm

As the unofficial Hawks scout in Europe, I would to offer you a little piece of news which might be interesting.

I while ago I said that to shop for bigs in europe was a more or less futile exercise.

This coming year it seems that Thiago Splitter will be finally making his much anticipating entry into the league and join the Spurs.

He was both the spanish league regular season MVP and playoff MVP, leading his team Baskonia (mid high budget) to the league title against the spanish league’s all mighty Barcelona team, who, amongst others, has Rubio and Navarro in their ranks.

Well this gentleman has been qualified by the local leading sports newspaper as well as the general fans as the best, most dominant, most NBA ready C playing in Europe.

He averaged 15,7ppg, 6,72rpg and 0,76bpg during the regular season.

Our “very own” Esteban Batista – so you can have a good comparison – averaged 14,1ppg, 8,35rpg (leading the league) and 1,06bpg.

So go figure…

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
7:11 pm

I LOVED Batista. Now that dude could set a screen that rattled teeth. Bring him bacl. :lol:

vava74

June 16th, 2010
7:47 pm

Another interesting fact: Batista numbers are while averaging 29 minutes per game.

His 6′10” but non athletic frame still gives him a good size advantage to play in europe against most C’s and it seems that he ends up being physically dominant (whilst he is undersized and not athletic enough for the NBA).

His toughness does the rest.

O'Brien

June 16th, 2010
9:24 pm

AJ, Melvin,

Our assistant GM already made questionable comments regarding finding a rotation player at #24. And then the ASG made a questionable hire with Drew. What are the chances that Sund drafts a questionable player at #24?

Not that we are basketball experts, but we were right on Marvin, and we were right on Shelden. I hope Rick goes with one of our guys.

As for the Esteban Batista, the Hawks need some toughness, thats for sure.

From ajc.com, talking to Coach Drew;

We become a five-man attack team. It puts all five guys in position to attack and to score.

We have heard of the “triangle” offense. I think we should call Drew’s offense the “pentagon” offense.

Sautee

June 16th, 2010
9:51 pm

O’B,

Let’s roll with Pentangle instead.

Some of us have a bias against Pentagon. ;-)

niremetal

June 16th, 2010
9:55 pm

Actually, O’Brien, the whole point of the triangle is to get all 5 players on the floor in a position to score on every possession. The “triangle” between three of those players is simply a feature of the system. It certainly doesn’t mean the other two players are uninvolved. In fact, the offense doesn’t work if the other two players don’t space themselves properly and get themselves in a position to receive a quick pass, since the triangle often gets reformed on the weak side if the first attempt to create an open shot fails. If the two weakside players fall asleep, the offense can stall easily.

I really do wish more NBA teams would run the triangle. It’s actually a remarkably simple, common-sense offense. It’s a mystery to me how it got the reputation of being some enigmatic thing…

niremetal

June 16th, 2010
9:56 pm

Bah – I had a post on the triangle that the blog monster ate. Help me out, Ray!

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
10:44 pm

OB,

No need for Sund to get fancy with the #24 pick. Just keep it simple and pick a forward which is this draft strongest position unless Whitesides is available.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2010-nba-draft-year-forward

Astro Joe

June 17th, 2010
6:59 am

It will likely take Whiteside two years to spell pantangle… an upperclassman please… Drew doesn’t have time to build a lego set.

O'Brien

June 17th, 2010
7:15 am

Sautee,

I’m good with Pentangle.

Melvin,

Agreed. This is the year of the Forwards, and the Hawks need 2 forwards (backup PF, and a backup SF). Just pick the best one that is available at #24 (that can contribute immediately).

I don’t think BK would draft a guy like Booker (BK likes 6′8″, 6′9″, and athletic). So it will be interesting to see what kind of guys Rick and Larry Drew like.

Astro Joe

June 17th, 2010
9:40 am

nire, I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the triangle isn’t as simple to teach/learn as you suggested. Let me get this right, a coach has won 10 titles and appeared in another 2-3 Finals running the triangle and there have been less than a handful of coaches who have tried to copy it over that same 15-20 year period? So either every new head coach is a complete idiot for not trying to teach the triangle or there is some complexity to it that we may not understand. I’m going with the latter.

Astro Joe

June 17th, 2010
9:40 am

Gosh, it may take me a few hours to learn how to spell pentangle. :lol:

O'Brien

June 17th, 2010
10:18 am

AJ,

I was wondering the same thing too. Although the NBA is not as big a copy cat league as the NFL is, I would have expected more teams running the triangle based on its success (although Phil has had some very good players to execute the triangle).

Does Phil Jackson have a coaching tree? I havent seen many Minnesota games, so I am wondering if thats what Kurt Rambis runs. And with Brian Shaw to be next, I wonder if he will try to run it.

Astro Joe

June 17th, 2010
10:40 am

Or maybe Alvin Gentry will be the next Hawks coach? With both Phoenix and Portland making GM changes this summer, and with McMillan failing to advance out of the 1st round in Portland (and Phoenix likely reloading without Amare), I think both of those guys will be available in the next 11-23 months. IMO, Sund didn’t originally want Drew and if he wins 42-48 games and treads water, Sund may say in 2 years “now either you allow me to choose a coach or I’m gone”. And if he pulls that move, he may have 2 former head coaches who worked for him to consider (along with quality assistant coaches). Of course, those 2 coaches may not want to work for $1.3M-$1.5M/season and Sund has little control over that piece of the hiring process.

Astro Joe

June 17th, 2010
10:49 am

OB, Rambis is trying to install the triangle. And Jim Cleamons tried it in his failed head coaching job several years ago. You’re right, Shaw will likely be the next guy on Phil’s tree to land the big chair. I also find it strange that Jerry Sloan has not “fathered” coaches from his consistently effective offense. My guess is that it takes 3+ years to install those offenses successfully and most GMs won’t/can’t allocate that much time to get it done. Which is probably why a bottom-feeder like the T’Wolves would make that gamble, because they are at least 3-5 years away regardless of the scheme they employ.

Astro Joe

June 17th, 2010
11:44 am

Craig Brackins is now in the 22-27 range in each of the 3 draft boards I visit most often, ESPN, draftexpress (my favorite) and nbadraft. And he was considered a 2nd rounder in all 3 prior to the combine and team workouts… he’s doing a George Jefferson, moving on up. A 6′10″ upperclassman who can stroke it from deep, has slightly above average athleticism and proven college production? No, not a future All Star but clearly someone who appears can hit the ground running as a rotational player. He’s one of those guys who we watch on another team and ask “why couldn’t we get a guy ready to play like that?” I think OB said that he is coming to Philips for a workout this weekend. I say kidnap the kid and lock him in the uniform closet until draft night.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/

Draftexpress also has a video feature on Jerome Jordan that I plan to check out from home this evening.

Big Ray

June 17th, 2010
12:45 pm

New blog up, predominently discussing the draft (mostly what some sites are saying). Have at it…