Drew’s the man, but what’s the plan?

Well, here we are. As reported by Hawks beat writer Michael Cunningham, Larry Drew has apparently been tabbed as head coach.

Shall there be weeping, lamentation, and gnashing of teeth? How about dancing in the streets and parading down the avenues? Maybe an extreme reaction either way is neither optimal or appropriate. But how do you define extreme, and besides – this is what blogging is about. You know, overreacting as you please, with no penalty other than a faux jab from another blogger (or fifty, depending on how big the frenzy is). Like it or not, the wheel of this ship has been taken by the first mate of the former captain. And no, it was not a mutiny (that we know of).

You Think You Know…

 What should we expect from Larry Drew? Expectations are fluid and tricky. Expect too much, and you will almost certainly be disappoined. Expect too much too soon, and the effect will be similar. Is there a penalty for expecting too little? What will the players expect out of him? What does he expect of himself? All this and more will be learned as time moves on. What’s funny is that idea that perhaps what we think we know may actually be more of an unknown than we suppose. Larry Drew has been an assistant coach on this team for the past six seasons, but do we really know him? My hunch is that we really don’t know this guy. I won’t heap another coal on the head of former coach Mike Woodson, but the simple fact is that it was his voice we’ve always heard, and his philosophy. Drew has chimed in here and there, but only to more or less echo what his boss has to say. Such has been the case with all of Woodson’s assistants, with halftime thirty or forty-five second interviews being the only evidence to the general public that the guys can even talk. And you know what? That’s the case most of the time, on most teams. It’s not an anomaly. In the end, I think we will get to know Larry Drew in ways we could not possibly have, before.

Even the players will. Oh sure, the guys on the roster know him, but do they know what he would do in any given situation? Do they know what he expects of them? I seriously doubt he has taken scenarios that Mike Woodson has experienced, and said “Hey guys, I wouldn’t have done it this way, I would have done it that way.” That sort of attitude never really helps anyone, as it tends to be a breeding ground for more disruption, confusion, and division. Perhaps Drew has, however, taken a player aside and explained why his head coach made a certain decision or did things a certain way. Agreeing with your boss may not be something that happens naturally or even often, but buying into and supporting the edicts you’ve been given do help promote continuity of the team. If this is the approach Drew has taken to his job, his new job will go that much better for him and all that are involved. Sometimes the best way to lead is through influence and persuasion. Again, if Drew realizes this, he is already a step ahead. Or maybe I’m wrong and a more Machiavellian approach is what it takes. Perhaps, perhaps not. We shall see soon enough.

In the meantime, we’ll get to know Larry Drew, the head coach.

 

What’s In a Name?

Coining the old Shakespeare quote, I have to wonder why people get so attached to the names of coaching candidates. When is the last time YOU heard anybody say they had to get tickets for this Saturday night because the Jazz and Jerry Sloan would be in town? How about the Magic and Stan Van Gundy? Will people soon be hyped about going to watch the Cavs and (insert Tim Izzo or whoever takes the job once he says no)? If not, then why be worried about a “brand name” coach? Perception is the only answer I can think of. It’s the reason we separate the winners from the losers, based on our opinions and several skewed statistics. Actually, statistics aren’t skewed. They are just math and numbers. How we use and interpret them is another matter altogether. When a guy wins in one place, it doesn’t guarantee that he won’t lose somewhere else, and vice versa. If this is true nowhere else in the NBA, it’s true on the sideline: production beats flash every time. There’s more opinion out there on the subject as the AJC’s Jeff Schultz feels we might need to look past the lack of style and see the substance. Also, think about this: every guy available for a job has most likely failed somewhere else or never really gotten a chance. That’s the nature of the job in the League. That’s the law of experience cutting both ways. What does that mean? Like all assistants, Larry Drew has neither failed nor succeeded yet. So whether or not the glass is half empty or half full is a tale yet to be told.

Dare To Believe

As a fan base, can we get behind this decision, or will we stay hung up in the details surrounding it? In the case of management, the “why” does matter. In the case of the coach, the only thing that matters is “what.” Translation – Yes, we should be concerned with why management made a decision to go with Larry Drew. However, where Drew himself is concerned, all that matters is what he does now that he is in the position. We can only hope that he and this team do well enough to make us stop thinking so much about why management does what it does.

Maybe Larry Drew’s six years of absolute insider experience with the Hawks will help bridge the gap of those zero years of experience as a head coach in the NBA. Instead of getting to know the guys on this team, perhaps he can focus more on getting them to buy into his own system. And outsider might be more interesting, but last I looked, “interesting” didn’t win games. I have no doubts that Drew will be a “different voice.” In a way, that is a smoke screen. This team doesn’t need “different” as much as it needs “consistently effective.” There has to be something there, that’s worth having after the so-called honeymoon. Will there be an adjustment period of sorts? I would expect so. But it should also be shorter and less profound. Will there still be obstacles and challenges? Yes, but they are likely already identified, if not the reasons behind them. As much as we don’t know about Drew, we do know that he knows enough (far more than we do) about the team. Maybe that can stoke some confidence in the fan base. It certainly should do so for the team.

 

Odds and Ends

- Will this have an effect on whether or not Joe Johnson leaves or stays? I still think it’s all about money and opportunity for Joe Johnson. Aside from the few positive comments Johnson has made in Mike Woodson’s direction, we have no idea how he really felt about Woodson, or how he feels about Drew. There is little reason beyond that of the speculative, to think that Johnson’s decision will be heavily affected by Drew’s promotion to head coach. Then again, you can never count a factor like this out completely. Johnson has to know that some things would change under Drew, from the way they were under Woodson. At the same time, if Johnson has issues with this team, it’s going to be with his teammates as much or more as it could be with who the head coach is. While I don’t think it will ultimately sway his decision, whether or not Johnson believes Larry Drew will hold guys accountable (as in moreso than Woodson) might be a factor. The question is how much of one.

- The inevitable watch on Jeff Teague will commence from the time he goes to summer league, and Larry Drew will not be able to escape this spotlight in the slightest. Known as a point guard coach, Drew’s work with Teague will be compared, perhaps unfairly, to that of Mike Woodson and every young point guard he has dealt with the entire six years he was here. If Teague flops or struggles mightily, it will get very noisy, very fast. Drew will come under fire from both the fan base, and from his bosses (let’s not forget, this is Sund’s draft pick, and Michael Gearon has made public comments about Teague’s playing time). If Teague does well, this bodes well for Drew. Fair or not, right or wrong, this will be watched….maybe even moreso than how Drew handles Josh Smith. Well, okay, we may have a tie on that one. Another guy to watch? Marvin Williams. Do we expect Drew to turn these guys into something they aren’t, haven’t been, or otherwise? Should we? Will we?

- We have absolutely no insight into what defensive or offensive philosophy Larry Drew holds. Again, it may not be fair, but he will be judged against everything Mike Woodson did. If he does anything that Woodson used to do, he’ll hear it from the masses (until it proves to be successful on a consistent basis). But first, he will have to get the players to buy into what he wants to do. That is where the true challenge lies. I don’t know about you, but I’m a tad anxious to see what Drew does with this team.

- How much input will Larry Drew have in the draft and free agency decisions? Will Sund make a public statement on this issue? Will it matter? And though we’ll likely never find out (but you never know what will be said in the formal announcement), what WAS it that made Larry Drew’s interview presentation so impressive?

One issue decided on Hawks Fans. The Summer of Sund continues.

202 comments Add your comment

richbrave

June 15th, 2010
2:49 pm

O’Brien

June 15th, 2010
1:45 pm

Hoopshype is reporting that Denver is looking to trade ty lawson for the #10 pick. Is his value that high?

NO.

Melvin

June 15th, 2010
3:30 pm

richbrave,

I think you are going to be proud to live in the DC area for years to come with the arrival of John Wall in basketball, McNabb in football and those two young players the Nats drated #1 in the past two drafts… Things should be looking up for the DC area.

Melvin

June 15th, 2010
3:36 pm

Astro,

I had my doubts about the Drew hiring at first but I have really warm up to his hiring. Although actions speak louder than words, I’m really impressed by some of the things that Drew is saying. Especially about implementing a more reaction type offense b/c the Hawks do not have that many guys who are strong off the dribble.

I know I have complained and had my suspicions about the hiring process but Drew does seem eager, confident, well prepared and ready to be a Head Coach.

Maybe the ASG back their way into a good coaching hiring similar to the Al Horford draft pick. Anyhow, I’m ok with Drew being the coach now.

Astro Joe

June 15th, 2010
4:08 pm

Here’s the second interview I mentioned this morning… the one with a little more detail about the offense and Teague.

http://www.680thefan.com/audiovault/rude_awakening.php

Melvin

June 15th, 2010
5:59 pm

Astro,

Thanks for both links. At first I had my doubts about Drew but after hearing him speak about the team and what he would like to do, I’m warming up to his hiring. I really like how he said he would implement an offense that requires more reaction b/c they don’t have a lot of guys who are strong offensive players off the dribble. Drew seems to be eager, confident, well prepared and ready to become a head coach. I think (or hope) he may be more of a Doc Rivers type than Alvin Gentry (hopefully for the ASG stake). Although I didn’t like the hiring process, I think the ASG might have back their way into a good hire similar to the way they back themselves into the Al Horford pick. Some call it, dumb luck….:)

Melvin

June 15th, 2010
6:01 pm

Uh oh, look like Steve Kerr is out as GM in Phx. Did that Shaq trade do him in…

O'Brien

June 15th, 2010
9:59 pm

It will be interesting to see how the players resond to Drew, because he has already laid some of the ground rules for what he’s thinking.

Josh – Stay in the post, reduce jump shots
JJ – less of a ball hog, more ball movement, more effective
Teague – compete for starting position
Bibby – spot up shooter

Melvin,

Maybe its the failure to trade Stoudemire that did him in.

Tom Izzo says no to Cleveland. Who’s next? Byron Scott?

tjhook

June 15th, 2010
11:25 pm

how does everyone feel about bringing in Al Harrington? The Hawks need another low-post threat to give the perimeter guys some cushion and allow Horford, Smith, Zaza the chance to crash the boards. And we could probrably use the mid-level exception to pick him up.

kwooden1

June 15th, 2010
11:39 pm

I like what Larry Drew has had to say about the team and of the candidates available I think he’s the best choice. We’ve all seen the things that need to improve with the team and Larry just sounds like he’s echoing those things. Now it comes down to the guys improving their own games.

Josh Smith
1) Has to improve his jump-shot (teams are going to give him that shot he’s got to be able to make them)
2) Right-Hand jump-hook (can’t let teams sit on his left-hand in the post)
3) Strength and endurance (he’s got to play a lot of minutes at a high level for the HAWKS to be successful)

Horford
1) Left-Hand jump-hook
2) Up and under
3) Much better fade-away

Marvin
1) Aggressive Mentality

We can’t expect Teague to be the difference maker as a 2nd year player. Our All-Star and near All-Star have to improve. Marvin has to change his mentality.

GO HAWKS!

Big Ray

June 16th, 2010
1:19 am

Tom Izzo spurns the Cavs offer. Gee whiz, what a surprise….meanwhile he now has probably gotten himself a raise at MSU by making them sweat for a bit.

Big Ray

June 16th, 2010
1:22 am

Niremetal rebuttal rescued from the blog monster. It posted back at 12:30 or so yesterday….

Have at it.

O'Brien

June 16th, 2010
7:18 am

From espn.com;

NBA coaching sources told ESPN.com that Sam Mitchell will be interviewed this week by the Nets as a potential top assistant to new coach Avery Johnson, who wants at least one former head coach on the bench with him in New Jersey.

I would like having Sam Mitchell on our bench. And he is an Atlanta resident too. I’m looking forward to seeing who Drew gets on his staff. But I hope he gets a former HC on his bench too.

@ Melvin,

It looks like Kevin Seraphin is staying in the draft after all. I don’t think I like him at #24 though.

@ AJ,

Good interview from LD. The interesting thing is he is saying the same thing that us average fans have been saying the entire year. Too much ISOs, not enough ball movement, Josh needs to be in the post more, and we need to defend better. Hopefully he can convince the players to buy in. And if they don’t, he needs to reprimand them.

One part that stuck out to me was he said he didn’t think Marvin knew his role last year. Hopefully once Marvin’s role is defined, and we get better ball movement, maybe Marvin can improve on his season from last year (although I can’t imagine him getting worse).

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
9:27 am

OB, yeah, I guess since Woody refused to listen to him, he spent most of his free time reading the blogs to determine the issues with the team. If he calls Marvin “duck”, then we will know that dude is not a bonafide coach, just a voracious blog reader. :twisted:

Kerr was really good on TV, he will probably move into Doug Collins’ vacated chair on TNT.

OB, there are other former head coaches around (like Terry Porter, Lawrence Frank, Brian Hill, etc). I hope that he considers a former head coach with a strong defenive reputation as so far, he seems to approach defense as an after-thought.

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
9:31 am

Blog monster strikes again.

OB, I guess since Drew’s opinion wasn’t registering with Woody, he spent his free time reading blogs. But I won’t get concerned (yet) that his analysis of the Hawks issues are as deep as a typical fan. He could consider several unemployed former coaches like Terry Porter, Lawrence Frank and one-year wonders like Vinnie Del Negro and Michael Curry. I’d like to see a former coach maybe handle the defense… Drew hasn’t yet expressed that side as a priority.

Kerr was really good on TV, I wonder if he will claim Doug Collins’ vacated seat at TNT?

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
9:40 am

Melvin, MC covered the other thing that I heard some of the radio guys who attended the press conference discuss. Drew believes he will introduce an offense that isn’t used in the league, something that “forces” ball movement. He also said that he would like Smith to play like Amare… catch and go to the rim, no need to dribble and certainly no need to shoot jumpers. Just catch and attack the rim. It’s pretty clear what side of the ball has his focus… the same side that you love.

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
10:02 am

Astro,

Until they change the rules, you know the one that declares the winner by who scored the most points in the game. I will always be more concern with the offensive side of the ball.

Whoop Dee Damn Drew….

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
10:05 am

OB,

Looks like Craig Brackins is climbing back up the draft boards. I’m warming back up to him at #24…. Last year there was discussion of him being a lottery pick….

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
10:19 am

Brackins, Jordan, Booker and my new one, Pittman are my 4 preferences. I don’t care how they are ranked against other candidates, they will fit our team and will be in position to contribute immediately. And if Damien James slips for some reason, he moves to the top of the list. Drew has 2 years to prove himself (and Sund may not have much longer), let’s not draft some 19 YO project who struggles to spell the word “basketball”. An upperclassman please.

O'Brien

June 16th, 2010
10:50 am

AJ, Melvin,

I am good with brackins or Booker or damian jones. And I like Pittman or Varnado in the second round. We need guys who can contribute 10-15 productive minutes immediately.

So Larry drew could use a former HC on his bench. And he needs a defensive coordinator. Why not kill 2 birds with one stone? Hire Woody.

niremetal

June 16th, 2010
11:07 am

Interesting logic there, Melvin. Isn’t it just as true that the team who holds the other team to the fewest points wins?

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
11:20 am

nire, no way, that’s why we see so many games in the NBA Finals end with a 127-121 score… because offense rules. Wasn’t that the score last night?

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
11:39 am

Has anyone heard or read anything about the draft workout sessions at Philips? That is going on this week, right?

O'Brien

June 16th, 2010
12:38 pm

Melvin,

If it was all about offense, Nash and D’Antoni would have been to an NBA finals already.

AJ,

Workouts are this week, but I havent heard anything.

As for the guys we discussd, Booker’s workout is on Saturday, Brackins and Varnado on Sunday.

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
1:02 pm

With Wall coming, Rondo, Rose, Jennings and Arenas already here and the possible re-emerging of Devin Harris… I’m leaning more and more that big help defenders should be the priority in the off-season. Either via the draft, freee agency or trades. It is illogical to think that those guys won’t be effective against other quick guards (like Teague) so the best way to defend them is with help defense. Rose suffered 2 injuries against the Magic, not because Jameer kept him out of the lane but because he was funneled into Howard and lost the collision. If I were Sund, I’d focus on 6′9″+ guys with tremendous agility and athleticism… someone who can protect the rim against smaller players (not neccessarily defend a Boozer-type bruiser). And if Teague is successful at stopping dribble penetration and those combo guards start shooting (like Jennings in the playoffs), then we need agile bigs who can go get the rebound even if it isn’t coming right to them. A lumbering big who can’t get to the other side of the lane in time is not going to cut it. I liked what i heard Van Gundy say last night, “the game is often won when the ball is in the air”.

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
1:04 pm

Sorry, the above list was meant to represent Eastern Conference threats… obviously there are plenty of dangerous guards on the other side but we don’t have to worry about them as often.

O'Brien

June 16th, 2010
1:24 pm

AJ,

Funneling guys was Bibby’s best defense. And that’s what makes Josh such a great asset, although he is not a great one on one defender. His help defense is great.

Given Varnado’s blocks and rebound averages the last 3 years at an SEC school, I think he would be a good pickup in the second round (although we might have to trade up to get him). I see him as a much improved version of Solomon Jones.

However, the Hawks still need a bruiser on the bench. And ZaZa is clearly not that guy.

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
1:54 pm

OB, given the 2-year Drew contract and the possibility that Joe leaves, i would roll the dice and trade our ‘10-11 1st round pick (lottery protected) plus this year’s 2nd round pick to either Washington or OKC for their late 1sr round and early 2nd round picks. Bascially, I want 3 picks in the 24-35 range. And there is a good chance I would draft some combo of James, Brackins, Booker, Jordan, Pittman or Varnado. I HAVE to believe any of those guys will be better in the next 2 seasons than someone on the vet’s minimum (like Joe Smith or Battie) or an NBDL player (like Pendergraph discussed previously). If Drew’s never-seen-before-offense doesn’t require much more of he bigs than catch and attack the rim, then let’s add some good defenders and allow this great offensive scheme to provide the points. Kind of like Sund previously brought in guys who could create their own shot (Jamal and Teague) and allowed Woody to try to get the defense to work. Flip the script for Drew and give him multi-level and agile defenders as a priority.

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
2:03 pm

AJ,

I thought the Bulls were eliminated by the Cavs in this year playoffs…

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
2:51 pm

Melvin, I was talking about in the regular season. You may recall that Rose missed time during the regular season and both times were after he ran into a brick wall named Dwight Howard. Remember, when Acie Law was giving some PT and actually played well because Rose was hurt?

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
2:57 pm

Melvin, after the second incident, Howard was kind enough to offer Rose some unsolicited advice:

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/03/should-injured-derrick-rose-listen-to-dwight-howards-advice/

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
4:48 pm

Melvin & OB, Chad Ford’s 5th mock draft has Brackins going #26 to OKC with this write-up:

Analysis: Brackins would be a good pick for the Thunder. He’s a high-character guy who can score inside and outside and will play hard. Right now, Nenad Krstic is the only big who can really get it done in the post. Brackins could be a nice long-term fit.

So ESPN has him at 26 and nbadraft.net at 22. I say let’s split the difference… 24, baby!

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
4:55 pm

Astro,

Who does Ford have the Hawks picking?

kwooden1

June 16th, 2010
6:45 pm

I still like Seraphin with the 24th pick, but DraftExpress has us picking Stanley Robinson. I would take that pick if we can get a solid PF in free-agency.

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
6:48 pm

“Drew’s the man, but what’s the plan?”

The plan is to install an unique ball and body movement offense and to hold each individual player accountable on defense without using gimmick defense…. There’s the plan. Like it or not. We got a coach that knows what he want to do on both sides of the ball. On to the next subject, player personnel…. Sund, your on the clock again.

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
6:50 pm

Melvin, according to Ford, with the 24th pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, the Atlanta Hawks select…
Lance Stephensen 19 YO from Cincinnati (I’m having Demarr Johnson flashbacks)
Analysis: The Hawks aren’t known for really swinging for the fences. But they just might try with Stephenson. With Joe Johnson looking as though he may bolt this summer, the team is going to need another wing and Stephenson has as much talent as anyone left on the board.

He has an NBA body, can play the iso game and has a high basketball IQ. His lack of a 3-point jump shot could be a concern for the Hawks, but at this point I think you have to take the best player available.

vava74

June 16th, 2010
7:08 pm

As the unofficial Hawks scout in Europe, I would to offer you a little piece of news which might be interesting.

I while ago I said that to shop for bigs in europe was a more or less futile exercise.

This coming year it seems that Thiago Splitter will be finally making his much anticipating entry into the league and join the Spurs.

He was both the spanish league regular season MVP and playoff MVP, leading his team Baskonia (mid high budget) to the league title against the spanish league’s all mighty Barcelona team, who, amongst others, has Rubio and Navarro in their ranks.

Well this gentleman has been qualified by the local leading sports newspaper as well as the general fans as the best, most dominant, most NBA ready C playing in Europe.

He averaged 15,7ppg, 6,72rpg and 0,76bpg during the regular season.

Our “very own” Esteban Batista – so you can have a good comparison – averaged 14,1ppg, 8,35rpg (leading the league) and 1,06bpg.

So go figure…

Astro Joe

June 16th, 2010
7:11 pm

I LOVED Batista. Now that dude could set a screen that rattled teeth. Bring him bacl. :lol:

vava74

June 16th, 2010
7:47 pm

Another interesting fact: Batista numbers are while averaging 29 minutes per game.

His 6′10” but non athletic frame still gives him a good size advantage to play in europe against most C’s and it seems that he ends up being physically dominant (whilst he is undersized and not athletic enough for the NBA).

His toughness does the rest.

O'Brien

June 16th, 2010
9:24 pm

AJ, Melvin,

Our assistant GM already made questionable comments regarding finding a rotation player at #24. And then the ASG made a questionable hire with Drew. What are the chances that Sund drafts a questionable player at #24?

Not that we are basketball experts, but we were right on Marvin, and we were right on Shelden. I hope Rick goes with one of our guys.

As for the Esteban Batista, the Hawks need some toughness, thats for sure.

From ajc.com, talking to Coach Drew;

We become a five-man attack team. It puts all five guys in position to attack and to score.

We have heard of the “triangle” offense. I think we should call Drew’s offense the “pentagon” offense.

Sautee

June 16th, 2010
9:51 pm

O’B,

Let’s roll with Pentangle instead.

Some of us have a bias against Pentagon. ;-)

niremetal

June 16th, 2010
9:55 pm

Actually, O’Brien, the whole point of the triangle is to get all 5 players on the floor in a position to score on every possession. The “triangle” between three of those players is simply a feature of the system. It certainly doesn’t mean the other two players are uninvolved. In fact, the offense doesn’t work if the other two players don’t space themselves properly and get themselves in a position to receive a quick pass, since the triangle often gets reformed on the weak side if the first attempt to create an open shot fails. If the two weakside players fall asleep, the offense can stall easily.

I really do wish more NBA teams would run the triangle. It’s actually a remarkably simple, common-sense offense. It’s a mystery to me how it got the reputation of being some enigmatic thing…

niremetal

June 16th, 2010
9:56 pm

Bah – I had a post on the triangle that the blog monster ate. Help me out, Ray!

Melvin

June 16th, 2010
10:44 pm

OB,

No need for Sund to get fancy with the #24 pick. Just keep it simple and pick a forward which is this draft strongest position unless Whitesides is available.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2010-nba-draft-year-forward

Astro Joe

June 17th, 2010
6:59 am

It will likely take Whiteside two years to spell pantangle… an upperclassman please… Drew doesn’t have time to build a lego set.

O'Brien

June 17th, 2010
7:15 am

Sautee,

I’m good with Pentangle.

Melvin,

Agreed. This is the year of the Forwards, and the Hawks need 2 forwards (backup PF, and a backup SF). Just pick the best one that is available at #24 (that can contribute immediately).

I don’t think BK would draft a guy like Booker (BK likes 6′8″, 6′9″, and athletic). So it will be interesting to see what kind of guys Rick and Larry Drew like.

Astro Joe

June 17th, 2010
9:40 am

nire, I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the triangle isn’t as simple to teach/learn as you suggested. Let me get this right, a coach has won 10 titles and appeared in another 2-3 Finals running the triangle and there have been less than a handful of coaches who have tried to copy it over that same 15-20 year period? So either every new head coach is a complete idiot for not trying to teach the triangle or there is some complexity to it that we may not understand. I’m going with the latter.

Astro Joe

June 17th, 2010
9:40 am

Gosh, it may take me a few hours to learn how to spell pentangle. :lol:

O'Brien

June 17th, 2010
10:18 am

AJ,

I was wondering the same thing too. Although the NBA is not as big a copy cat league as the NFL is, I would have expected more teams running the triangle based on its success (although Phil has had some very good players to execute the triangle).

Does Phil Jackson have a coaching tree? I havent seen many Minnesota games, so I am wondering if thats what Kurt Rambis runs. And with Brian Shaw to be next, I wonder if he will try to run it.

Astro Joe

June 17th, 2010
10:40 am

Or maybe Alvin Gentry will be the next Hawks coach? With both Phoenix and Portland making GM changes this summer, and with McMillan failing to advance out of the 1st round in Portland (and Phoenix likely reloading without Amare), I think both of those guys will be available in the next 11-23 months. IMO, Sund didn’t originally want Drew and if he wins 42-48 games and treads water, Sund may say in 2 years “now either you allow me to choose a coach or I’m gone”. And if he pulls that move, he may have 2 former head coaches who worked for him to consider (along with quality assistant coaches). Of course, those 2 coaches may not want to work for $1.3M-$1.5M/season and Sund has little control over that piece of the hiring process.

Astro Joe

June 17th, 2010
10:49 am

OB, Rambis is trying to install the triangle. And Jim Cleamons tried it in his failed head coaching job several years ago. You’re right, Shaw will likely be the next guy on Phil’s tree to land the big chair. I also find it strange that Jerry Sloan has not “fathered” coaches from his consistently effective offense. My guess is that it takes 3+ years to install those offenses successfully and most GMs won’t/can’t allocate that much time to get it done. Which is probably why a bottom-feeder like the T’Wolves would make that gamble, because they are at least 3-5 years away regardless of the scheme they employ.