Hawks fans: How does three rookies sound to you?

In spite of what you may be thinking, I’m not suggesting yet another insane trade or draft proposal of my own. However, the possibility of the Hawks starting the season with three rookies is….well…possible, for lack of a better word. It probably sounds crazy, but hear me out. As I said, it’s possible.

 

Stash, Trade, or Cash?

As far as we know, the Hawks aren’t looking to trade their first round pick. So, for the time being, let’s assume that they are going to choose from what several experts are claiming is a decently deep draft (there are arguments to the contrary). But what of the second round pick? Here are three scenarios the Hawks could go with:

_ Draft another foreign prospect and leave him stashed away in Europe, as they did with Sergei Gladyr last year.

_  Trade the pick to another team, but for what? Cash? Of course, the pick could be used in combination with an existing Hawks player for another piece altogether. I won’t elaborate, but feel free to do so yourself. The more, the merrier.

_  Get ready to pay out the cash. That’s what happens when you draft a guy who will be reporting for training camp. We’ve talked plenty about who the Hawks should draft, and we’ll talk plenty more. But for the purposes of this conversation, we’re talking about what the Hawks could do with the pick, purely as an asset.

For the sake of argument, let’s say the Hawks draft players to join the roster with both picks. That gives us two rookies, so where am I getting the third?

 

Thin Line Between Truth and Fiction

It’s hard to know what to believe when you’re cruising through the “latest news” on NBA basketball websites. There is the seemingly absurdly unbelieveable, which sometimes turns out to be exactly true. Then there is the less sensational stuff that sounds downright factual, but turns out to be totally off. Remember when it was all but assured that Celtics assistant coach and defensive guru Tom Thibodeau was headed for New Orleans? Next thing you know, he’s packing his bags for chicago. Maybe it’s better to forgo navigation and just ride the waves. Speaking of which, the latest word is that the Hornets have moved on quickly after being left at the altar.

What has this got to do with the Hawks having a third rookie? Here’s where things could get weird (or not, depending on how you feel about it). As Hawks beat writer Michael Cunningham reported a few days back, Mark Jackson is still in the mix, and was anybody taking this seriously until now? Some of the rumors suggest that Jackson is thought of favorably within the Hawks organization. Why else the interview, if the Hawks aren’t considering him seriously? Who within the organization thinks this is a good idea? Is it Sund, or somebody else?

If the Hawks come away convinced and impressed with Jackson, there’s your third rookie, and this one will be stalking the sidelines. Of course, an interview doesn’t guarantee a job, so there’s no need to hit either the panic or the jubilation buttons (again, this depends on how you feel about it). For the sake of discussion however, let’s say the Hawks do it. This raises a few questions, or rather several. But I’ll go with just a few for starters:

1) Can a rookie coach do anything positive with a team that is already a playoff team? Like it or not, Jackson would be starting from the very beginning, “earning his stripes”, “getting his chops”, or whatever you want to call it…on the Hawks dime.

2) How does a guy with no coaching experience get the respect of his players? What can he do to get their attention and keep it? How can he hope to maintain some measure of control? This League chews up and spits out coaches all the time, and that would include those who have significant experience. Jackson would be the “different voice” Rick Sund says is needed, but….is it a voice that will be heard and respected?

3) How long would Jackson have to prove he belongs on the sideline, and what if he fails? His hiring would then prove to be a bad decision, but it won’t end there. Letting Mike Woodson go will then be re-second guessed and Sund’s credibility will take a big hit. Not to mention, any good candidates that might have fit what the Hawks need/want may already have new jobs by then. Worst of all, this could set the franchise back several years, further alienating a fan base that is beginning to wonder if things are about to get better or worse.

 

Mark Jackson is a complete unknown as a coach, this much we know. Other guys have been, and some of you have mentioned that Doc Rivers went the same route, and may have succeeded with the aid of a capable staff as his support. But that’s like asking if lightning can strike twice in the same place. Can the Hawks afford this right now with Joe possibly leaving, Josh needing discipline, and other issues waiting in the wings? One way to look at it is this: the only person who is guaranteed to get something out of this is Mark Jackson himself. He would get something on his resume, even if it’s not all that favorable. We all know the only way you get experience in something is to do the job. Jackson could fail and go right back to a job that he’s doing now, that he enjoys. The Hawks, however, could pay the cost of failure several times over and have a hard time recovering.

But hey…if you like the idea, don’t let ME rain on your parade with all that could go wrong. Flip the coin. Give a shout out to what could go right. Do the Hawks want three rookies? Hard to say. Do we as fans want three rookies?

186 comments Add your comment

doc

June 7th, 2010
9:52 am

wow cool the f word for me?

good comments ray.

Melvin

June 7th, 2010
10:02 am

Good stuff Big Ray. I think the biggest difference between Doc and Mark situation is that Doc was hired to build a team (similar to Woody) and Mark would be inheriting a veteran team with the expectation of at least making the ECF/Finals. If it was my choice, I wouldn’t hire a rookie coach (i.e. no coaching experience) to lead a veteran team that’s trying to take that next step.

Astro Joe

June 7th, 2010
10:22 am

While I wouldn’t call it “re-building”, we may be a whole lot closer to “re-tooling” than we realize. It’s quite possible that we will lose our 2 top scorers in consecutive summers (Joe and Jamal). Horford has at least some risk in his long-term future only because he doesn’t have a long-term contract. Would anyone be shocked if over the next 14 months, 4-5 of the 8 guys who received most of the playing time were gone? It seems more than plausible that Joe, Jamal, Mo, Bibby and Marvin could be wearing different uniforms in the next 14 months. I’m not convinced that this team is plug-and-play ready for the next head coach.

Hawk n the Ham

June 7th, 2010
10:50 am

I’m with Astro J on the re-tooling aspect. This may be a very interesting 12 months or so for the Hawks.

Here’s my question. Since the Hawks only have room for just 1 max contract in the next couple of years. Would you rather re-sign JJ now, or not, and free up cap space to go after Carmello next season?

If they don’t re-sign JJ, and Crawford becomes the starter at SG, what happens if Teague or Bibby gets hurt? Where we as fans have always been crying for the Hawks to bolster up the front court. If JJ and Jamal are gone in the next 2 years, do you have confidence in Sund to “re-tool”?

doc

June 7th, 2010
11:11 am

aj, i wouldnt be surprised, though it goes against the kool-aide sund has been trying to get folks to drink. the pivot is jj. things either fall into place or crumble based on his decision. personally, i think we are hitched up to jj. to not have him going forward as either trade material or a major component of what the new coach wants to do is going to be hazardous to our health as a franchise. if he leaves all bets are off and your scenario of “retooling” is a probable outcome.

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Veteran Fan

June 7th, 2010
11:53 am

It doesn’t matter who the coach is as long as the cast is changed! Personally Johnson or Van Gundy have won in the past and the primary problems could be gone with a little guts on the part of ownership! First sign and trade Joe and Bibby to wherever he wants to go and get a good point guard for him. New Jersey with Harris comes to mind. Second resign Josh Childress. Third trade Josh Smith and Marvin to Toronto for Chris Bosh in a sign and trade and swap draft picks. Use the draft pick to get the Heyward kid from Butler and use our second round pick for a Euro shooting guard! Third, go after free agent center. Line up Free agent center, Horford, Bosh, Crawford and new point. Reserves Childress, Zaza, Heyward, Teague and Euro shooting guard. This team can run, defend, and play half-court offense! Two major contracts in Bosh and Free agent center and two second level contracts in Childress and Heyward. A lot of money freed up when Josh and Marvin go and some with Bibby. Looks doable economically and it will be a young exciting team for 3-5 years! Given youth of the team, could even trade a future draft pick for the right center from another team, who might be a restricted free agent. The key is trading Josh and Marvin and resigning Childress as he can do a lot of the things that they can do!

Big Ray

June 7th, 2010
12:18 pm

Hold the phone on the coaching thing, guys and gals….just saw this from NBA writer David Aldridge, who I respect (as a writer/expert/source):

Dribbles

• The Hawks’ coaching search may get some clarity this week, but a new player threw a wrench into what looked like a two-man race between former Mavs coach Avery Johnson and current Dallas assistant Dwane Casey.

Atlanta assistant Larry Drew had an outstanding interview for the vacant head coach job with GM Rick Sund last week, and has put himself smack in the middle of the race. Like the more celebrated Tom Thibodeau, the 52-year-old Drew is a longtime NBA assistant coach who has paid his dues and has long deserved an opportunity at a head coaching gig after apprenticeships with the Lakers, Pistons, Wizards, Nets and Hawks. He had a detailed presentation for Sund that made Sund add Drew to the list of interviewees that need to meet with Hawks co-owner Bruce Levenson on Monday.

Levenson is also expected to meet with Mark Jackson, the former player and current ABC/ESPN analyst who has interviewed with Sund as well. Both Drew and Jackson may also meet with Hawks co-owner Michael Gearon, who is just returning this week from a trip abroad and has yet to be involved in the interview process.

Johnson, who met with Sund in Houston on Saturday, is still considered a co-favorite for the job along with Casey, who has given the Hawks assurances he’ll have a veteran staff of assistants on board if he gets the job. Casey struggled in his previous coaching gig in Minnesota, in part because he didn’t have a grizzled veteran assistant that could have helped him through the potential minefields of his first coaching job.

An impressive interview has put longtime assistant coach Larry Drew in the race for Atlanta’s vacancy.
, by the way, don’t think for a second that the Hawks haven’t also been kicking around the tires of Michigan State Coach Tom Izzo, who, according to one Cleveland-area paper, has already been offered the Cavaliers’ job by fellow Michigan Stater Dan Gilbert. They’ve made discreet inquiries, I’m told. But there’s no chance Izzo would leave his security and success in East Lansing for the Hawks, even though he almost took the Atlanta job in 2000 after winning the national championship …

For the whole article:

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/david_aldridge/06/07/morning.tip/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

chuckw/deadjournalist

June 7th, 2010
12:23 pm

As the weeks have passed by my preference has swung a direction I didn’t think it would go: Larry Drew.

Despite not having head coaching experience he does know the roster and players. If the reports that he would be both more disciplined and more creative, all the better.

Here’s the other important aspect of Drew’s hire: No one knows what this team will look like until after free agency hits. If JJ isn’t resigned are they still talented? Yes. But then there is a level of uncertainty that can yet be projected.

What if JJ does resign? The Hawks are probably a 47-51 win team.

If he doesn’t? Who knows – simply because you don’t know who would replace him. Could they be an above .500 team? Most likely. Could they be a crash-and-burn team? I think that’s plausible as well.

Let’s say a worst-case scenario happens. JJ signs elsewhere with no compensation. Whomever is added doesn’t fit it. Teague struggles, etc., etc. What’s the worst thing – from a coaching perspective – that could happen? They fire Drew and hire … Casey or Jackson or someone else.

The money given to Drew would be less than Johnson – maybe any of them. And then, if the team did implode, Sund might design the roster needs to be blown up.

(Unless the ASG hires Avery Johnson – who would get a longer grace period deal due to his “experience” and his “$$$” – is it likely will Jackson or Casey realistically land elsewhere this off-season? Probably not. But Johnson will likely be gobbled up somewhere this off-season.)

I realize there are about 150 different best/worst case scenarios. But Casey, Johnson and Jackson all bring a lot of unknowns – primarily how their coaching style would take advantage of the talented, is short on depth, roster. Drew’s understanding of this roster, to me, could be the key difference make. If we can all see area’s where the team was under-coached the last two years (or more), I think we all could safely assume Drew does too.

This team is still young (especially if JJ is gone via a S/T) and even if the coaching hire doesn’t pan out, the window isn’t closed. Next year’s top 6 players (including JJ) would only have two older than 25 (JJ, Crawford) – and if JJ doesn’t come back, it might only be one.

Maybe this is a case where a drastic change would be the most effective change.

Astro Joe

June 7th, 2010
12:25 pm

Geez, one owner at a time, huh? This interview process will be done in October at this rate. The winner gets a Harry the Hawk costume for Halloween. UGH!

Astro Joe

June 7th, 2010
12:27 pm

I wonder when they will engage Belkin for his set of interviews? :twisted:

chuckw/deadjournalist

June 7th, 2010
12:31 pm

damn my type-o’s “Maybe this is a case where a drastic change wouldn’t be the most effective change.”

if i had posted this before i saw big ray’s post …

Big Ray

June 7th, 2010
12:37 pm

Congrats, Doc , you da man.

Melvin

I tend to agree with that sentiment.

Astro Joe ,

I think you’re right. And you raise a very valid concern about this team being ready made for an incoming coach. It’s not. The funny part about all of this? I think that in some ways, this puts Larry Drew in the catbird seat as far as seeing the situation for what it is, and having ideas as far as what to do about it. Of course, the situation has not completely unfolded yet, but still….Drew is more prepared than any incoming coach would be.

Does that make him the best candidate? Not necessarily. But I’m intrigued with just what it is about his interview that impressed Sund (in David Aldridge’s article). Perhaps his presentation included detailed plans he would enact (if given the job) based on what the makeup of the team turned out to be.

Translation: “Plan A shows what I plan to do if Joe stays. Plan B shows what I plan to do if Joe leaves. Subsection 1 elaborates on what changes we need to make if Joe stays. Subsection 2 elaborates on what changes we need to make if Joe leaves. Plan C? That’s what I plan to do two years down the road if we don’t have or don’t want Jamal anymore. Plan D….”

Big Ray

June 7th, 2010
12:39 pm

chuckw/deadjournalist

Always good to see you. Have you read the David Aldridge article I posted a link to a bit earlier? It’s a good article overall, I recommend it.

By the way, I know you posted that before reading my post :lol: No harm, no foul, you still get credit for that line of thinking.

Big Ray

June 7th, 2010
12:42 pm

And of course my 12:37 post looks like I’m snatching words right out of ChuckW’s mouth….LOL….

Big Ray

June 7th, 2010
12:43 pm

Veteran Fan ,

I had no idea it was that simple. And here we all were thinking Rick Sund would be seriously sweating over this one. Heh…

chuckw/deadjournalist

June 7th, 2010
12:44 pm

yeah, i just read it. DA’s always a good read.

great minds, right? ha

Hawk n the Ham

June 7th, 2010
12:46 pm

…..Plan D, find some Billionaire to buy the Hawks from ASG.

O'Brien

June 7th, 2010
12:47 pm

AJ,

I think the rest of the ASG will go with whoever Sund and Gearon Jr agrees on.

Ray,

Agreed. Drew has a strategic advantage. He had courtside seats to all the Hawks issues, so he can create a detailed presentation that outlines various ways in which he can help overcome these issues, and how he can help maximize the players’ talents.

And if Casey is telling the Hawks that he will have a veteran staff, I hope Drew has given them the same reassurances. I wonder if Drew commented on his relationship with JJ, because if they have a good relationship, that can be viewed as a positive.

As for the rookie on the sidelines, I would pass. I think we need a guy with experience, even if the experience is being an assistant. We can’t afford to take the chance on Jackson.

As for the draft, I think the Hawks have 2 second round picks next year (one from Houston in the David Andersen trade). I would like to see them trade 2 second round picks (this year’s, and 1 next year) to move up in the second round or later first round, especially if there is a chance they guy they want could be gone by then.

I just hope our 2 rookies drafted will be players who will be on the team when the season starts (even if the second round pick is the 13th guy). We already have Gladyr and Cenk Ayol overseas, so please, get somebody in here who can compete right away (someone like Dexter Pittman).

i_am_soulstar

June 7th, 2010
2:09 pm

Three Rookies = Tumultous Times for the Hawks. Just say no to inexperience.

newkid

June 7th, 2010
2:17 pm

A Drew hire strikes some as the ’soft power’ approach vis-a-vis an Avery Johnson hire. If so, will that approach work with the players Sund expects to retain? Will the retreads view Drew as Woody lite, or will he command their respect? If an experienced core of assistants is what Sund requires, can Drew be reasonable expected to attract them to his staff, or will he view such strength as an existential threat? Which of the two (if either) is likely to be more of a magnet for free agents?

What about the owners’ and Sund’s comfort with Drew vs Avery presence? Johnson’s obviously a huge presence in the locker room and undoubtedly in the executive suite; what about Drew? Which of the two scenarios would Sund and the owners find less threatening (to their effectiveness and egos) now and in the future (reference Avery vs Mark Cuban and his GM)?

For Sund and ASG Drew’s a safe, cost-effective, and comfortable hire; not sure he’s the ‘winning’ hire.

Avery & the Nets? Sorry, but he’ll doubtedlessly be viewed as ‘not cosmopolitan enough’ to be the face of the first great international basketball franchise. Initial ‘branding’ will be extraordinarily important to the Russian (as perhaps it should be), so the cadre of realistic possibilities will be quite small. It would be a cadre of one if Phil were interested.

i_am_soulstar

June 7th, 2010
2:24 pm

I still give Avery Johnson the advantage, but I’m starting to be swayed more and more toward Larry Drew. I just hate that all we have to go off of with him is reputation. Thanks for the link Ray.

Astro Joe

June 7th, 2010
2:30 pm

Ray, if they hire Drew, tIMO, it will feel like an interim hire. He would be asked to lead the team through some post-Joe transition… help Sund continue his evaluation of the players, and keep things afloat while the owners hopefully find another partner and the league gets a new CBA in place. He becomes a glorified bridge to get the team over troubled waters. But it feels like he is being hired to keep the boat afloat, not to get the boat to win the race. And maybe they fired Woody because the boat took on too much water in those last 7 games of the post-season. But since when has treading water been the way to run a business? Will they be able to convince Horford to remain in the boat when his contract is up? Because if he leaves… well.. I don’t even want to think about that.

Astro Joe

June 7th, 2010
2:40 pm

The other thing about that article regarding Drew’s proposal for Sund… it will likely lead to some interviews for Drew either this year or next year. So even if he isn’t hired and even if they story isn’t entirely true, planting that story with a naional writer is a great way to treat an assistant who has workedfor your franchise the past 6 years. That article could get him into the mix for the Clippers job and maybe some other openings next season.

Melvin

June 7th, 2010
2:49 pm

No offense to Drew but if Sund/ASG hires him as the HC wouldn’t that be taking a step backwards. Think about it, BK was denied the right to fire Woody and promote Drew to HC. Now the new GM has decided to not re-hire (fired) Woody and promote the same assistant the previous GM was going to do 4 or 5 years ago? Huhhhhh!!!!

The ghost of BK lives on in the Hawksland…..

tjhook

June 7th, 2010
2:59 pm

There should be only three names Sund should consider now: Casey (because that’s his guy), bill Laimbeer (who has experienced championship success as a player with the Pistons and a coach with the Detroit Shock -WNBA) and Dan Issel (who has taken teams that were previously constructed and successfully navigated them in the playoffs. Also a Nelson disciple and University of Kentucky alum – meaning he’s schooled in the art of sophisticated defense and offense)

tjhook

June 7th, 2010
3:06 pm

just read that Issel has filed for banckruptcy recently. Don’t know if you want that sort or thing to worry about. And that’s after the flak he caught for the ethnic slur he made about a Mexican years ago. I think he was insensitive, but he’s got some burdens and I guess the Hawks can’t afford that now. So GO CASEY or LAIMBEER!

O'Brien

June 7th, 2010
3:09 pm

I dont think Drew should be the hire. Around the league and in the locker room, perception is a big thing. And hiring Drew will give the perception that we are playing it safe, maybe going for a double, as AJ likes to say. Hiring Johnson could be a swing for the fences, and hiring Casey could be a chance for a triple at least (maybe a HR too).

Melvin,

The (scary) ghost of BK is everywhere in Hawks land. Everytime we talk about needing a PG, or complaining about Marvin, and now looking for a new coach, BK is there.

Speaking of BK, it will be tough for the Hawks to lose JJ. 5 years ago, they sign him for $70 mil, and give up 2 first round draft picks (which turned into Robin Lopez and Rondo), and a decent player in Boris Diaw, and it triggers an ownership battle which is still going on today.

If he walks away, and we get nothing in return, it will be a sad day in Hawksville.

Big Ray

June 7th, 2010
3:23 pm

Newkid ,

Interesting take on Avery Johnson and New Jersey.

ChuckW ,

Yeah, that’s our story, and we’ll stick to it. :lol:

Astro Joe ,

That makes a lot of sense. I hope that’s not what is going on, or what ends up being the case, but I can’t deny the plausibility of it. Maybe we as fans should be prepared for such a thing. But can you ever really be prepared for that?

On the flip side, you’re right about the Larry Drew situation only helping him, even if he doesn’t get THIS job. But would Sund and the ASG feel that much loyalty to him? Maybe they will just view him as “Woody’s guy.” I don’t know.

Big Ray

June 7th, 2010
3:27 pm

Hawk n the Ham

Hah! Wishful thinking. Well, unless said Billionaire’s name is Dolan or something like that. There are some things that even unGodly sums of money can’t cure….

O’brien ,

It would absolutely suck so badly if we lose JJ for nothing, which is why I’ve been accepting of a great many trade ideas, even what would otherwise be horrendous ones. We have to get something out of this. Otherwise, it’s the closed end of a big circle that started with a decision that some of us never completely liked to begin with. Of course, you could argue that we got exactly what we paid for, rather than what we thought we would end up with. The problem wasn’t as much the initial price as it was the awful follow-through. Cest la vie…

O'Brien

June 7th, 2010
4:56 pm

Ray,

If jj has made his mind up about leaving, I hope he goes to Chicago. Because to me, they have the best pieces to offer in a sign and trade.

I’ll say this. I’m on the ‘trade crawford’ bandwagon if we resign JJ. Even if we don’t resign JJ, I am still open to trading Jamal.

He will make $9.4 mil this year, and might be looking for a pay raise next year (depending on the CBA). Will the hawks spend what it takes to keep him?

Maybe. But trading him now should yield 2 solid players, and we need depth.

Melvin

June 7th, 2010
6:40 pm

Obliviously you do not valued Crawford contributions. Not sure we can easily replace SMOY, who was pretty much our 6th starter…

As far as Joe, I would rather take back an salary cap exception than a player that way the Hawks could hand pick the player(s) they want to acquire

O'Brien

June 7th, 2010
6:59 pm

Melvin,

Crawford was great for us. No doubt about it. And I loved having him on our team.

But if we resign Joe, he will play 36-38 mpg. And Crawford will need 30 mpg. So we would be forced to overlap their PT again. If we play both Crawford and JJ together, do we once again go without a PG during those stretches? Do we really want 2 SG initiating our offense?

Or do we give JJ minutes at the 3, with Crawford at 2, and then Teague at PG? If so, teague will be expected to handle the ball, and maybe penetrate, so what will Crawford and JJ be doing?

I think Crawford and JJ should be in the game at the same only at the end of each quarter. We need a more traditional offense. And Crawford could get us potentially 2 bench players, which would improve our depth, help keep our guys fresh, and save the ASG some money next year.

i_am_soulstar

June 7th, 2010
7:09 pm

I honestly don’t foresee any viable trade proposals for Crawford that wouldn’t be one-sided (obviously not in our favor). I say the Hawks offer him an extension to continue his 6th man role. if they can keep him at a decent rate. And believe it or not, he’s the guy on the team besides Josh Smith that puts all the highlight-adoring butts in seats. I believe we already have the guy for an adequate amount of money for his services at least, if not a bargain .

Not great defensively but he made some important contributions offensively that would sorely be missed with or without JJ next year.

Harpie

June 7th, 2010
7:58 pm

If they hire Mark Jackson, I’ve watched my last Hawks game…

O'Brien

June 7th, 2010
8:05 pm

i_am_soulstar,

If JJ resigns for $17 mil per year, are you willing to offer Crawford an extension at $9 mil per year (basically his current salary)? Because if you do that, then you would have $26 mil per year tied up in one position. SG. They are both 30 years old, and $26 mil is almost half of the salary cap.

Plus we would still need a backup PF, a backup SF, a more defensive center, and a shooter. ASG does not have those deep pockets.

Now if the Hawks cannot find a good trade, I can understand. But I would definitely explore it.

vava74

June 7th, 2010
8:46 pm

I have been told by a source close to the ASG that Harry the Hawk will conduct a third interview to Casey this coming Friday and then to Mark Jackson on Saturday.

This will be followed by the final round of interviews to be conducted by Mitch, the guy on the HotDog stand across the street from Phillips Arena.

vava74

June 7th, 2010
8:47 pm

If none of them crashes and burns in their interviews with Harry the Hawk, and we still have a stale mate, the first of the two to eat 15 hotdogs gets the job and the other pays the tab.

niremetal

June 7th, 2010
9:02 pm

Recovering from shoulder surgery ain’t as pleasant as I hoped. Percocet ain’t what it used to be…

O’B,

No way that Crawford draws more than the mid-level next year, unless he suddenly makes the leap from “good” to “All-Star.” Bear in mind that the CBA expires next summer, and the new CBA likely will entail much lower salaries. A guy like Crawford – someone who’s a nice complementary piece but who’s 31 years old and never shown the capability of playing good D or being a go-to scorer on a good team.

Maybe a new coach will get Crawford to go back to the “pass-first” mentality that he was spouting when he first got here? I’d be interested to see what he would do if a coach could get him to stop chucking contested 20-footers with 17 seconds left on the clock. 15 and 6 isn’t out of the question, IMHO. That being said, he is expiring and we have other needs, soooo…

O'Brien

June 7th, 2010
9:40 pm

nire,

Hope your recovery goes well.

Yeah, with the new CBA, Crawford might be looking at $6 or $7 mil. Which isnt that bad. But one thing we agree on. He is expiring, and we have other needs.

But on other hand, given the new CBA, do we really want JJ for 5 years, $90 mil?

niremetal

June 7th, 2010
10:35 pm

O’Brien,

The problem with JJ is that he’s a free agent now. The Hawks don’t have the luxury of waiting until 2011 and using the market then to their advantage. From the Hawks’ perspective, the choice is what it’s always been: overpay to keep or let him walk? Teams looking to win can’t afford to think about the cap 3 years from now, which is why the Magic way overpaid to get Rashard. It’s the lesser of two weevils..

Melvin

June 7th, 2010
11:41 pm

From NBADraft. I think they did a good job scouting the Hawks…

http://www.nbadraft.net/team-needs-southeast-division-0

i_am_soulstar

June 8th, 2010
8:47 am

O’Brien,

If you consider Crawford’s age and the impending CBA, Crawford may actually jump at that chance to be extended before next summer, as many players with one year left on their contracts and no player option have done. It’s one of the primary reasons that those with player option clauses are opting out. No one wants to be in contract negotiations next summer. Call it fear of the unknown. Because of this, the Hawks may actually acquire him for a bargain. I just hope they don’t gamble too hard and ‘Josh Childress’ it.

O'Brien

June 8th, 2010
10:22 am

Nire,

If JJ is willing to take 5 years, $80 – $90 mil, I’m okay with that. But if he is looking for 6 years, $108 mil, then I am not giving him that deal. I would be looking for sign and trade deals, preferably trade exceptions.

Orlando is stuck with Rashard for 3 more years at $66 mil. Hawks have done a good job of staying away from contracts like that.

i_am_soulstar,

If Crawford will take a reasonable extension, then that’s definitely worth looking into. But either way, you’re right. We can’t Josh Childress it.

Thanks for the link Melvin.

Just reading through the list of teams, it looks like Miami has the chance to have an awesome off-season. They can resign Wade, add a guy like Boozer, and still have enough money to add solid bench players too.

Compare that to a team like Charlotte, man, they are in a bad spot. Over the salary cap, no picks, and Felton is unrestricted. WWMJD.

As for the Hawks, 2 other options are Lawal and Booker at 24. They could provide some minutes at the backup PF spot. I like Booker, because I think can contribute immediately like Blair is doing in San Antonio.

Melvin

June 8th, 2010
10:47 am

OB,

I thought I read that Kevin Seraphin haven’t withdrawn his name from the draft yet. I would consider him at #24. It would be nice if Whitesides is still available at 24.

As Joe, I say re-sign him even if it takes a 6 yr contract. If we haven’t made good strides in the next 2 or 3 yrs than trade him. I’m sure some elite team close to a championship would take (ala Jamison and the Cavs).

As for FA, I would look very hard at Jermaine Oneal (who I saw in a restaurant on Sunday). He could very effective in a reduce role and he’s capable of playing alongside Josh/AL.

i_am_soulstar

June 8th, 2010
12:24 pm

I agree Melvin, I think Jermaine O’Neal would be a good fit at the C position for the Hawks. Maybe not the best, considering he’s a 13 and 7 guy these days, but taking a look at all of the 2010 free agent centers, he’s about as good as it’s gonna get (unless you prefer Shaq or a 9 and 9 guy like Brendan Haywood ). Considering he’s 31, has been in the league 13 years, and was the highest paid player on the Heat last year (just shameful), we may be able to get him, as oftentimes, ridiculously contracted and over-the-hill players typically go into their next negotiation feeling a bit more generous in terms of salary. Of course, he could also be expecting more than what he’s worth, and it only takes some other desperate team to say they’ll pay it :(

O'Brien

June 8th, 2010
1:04 pm

I copied this from lewis’ post on the other blog.

Jermaine O’Neal | Age: 31 | Height: 6-11 Experience: 14 years | ‘09-10 Team: Heat
2009-10 Stats: 13.8 pt | 7.1 reb Status: Unrestricted free agent

The Skinny: O’Neal, long sighed upon due to a slipping game and a rising salary, had a decent bounceback season for Miami, scoring more efficiently than ever before, thanks no doubt to a smaller offensive role than ever before. Miami really provided a blueprint for how teams can effectively utilize O’Neal in the final years of his NBA career: pair him with a high-usage perimeter player and let him focus on defense. J.O. remains one of the league’s better interior defenders, but his age and injury history should muzzle his value this summer.

Amir Johnson | Age: 22 | Height: 6-9 Experience: 5 years | ‘09-10 Team: Raptors
2009-10 Stats: 5.5 pt | 4.8 reb Status: Unrestricted free agent

The Skinny: Amir Johnson, at this stage, is everything right with basketball. He’s a defensive role-player with bombastic athleticism and a fantastic motor. He has almost no offensive game. But unlike so many other young bucks looking to make money and a name from themselves, Amir knows he has no moves, and thus rarely shoots. He’s like a regular Jarron Collins! Actually, he’s not, because he’s actually good. Johnson is a great rebounder at the power forward spot, a fine shotblocker (though better in years past with Detroit) and an all-round exciting defender. He could be a future two blocks/two steals player, joining fairly exclusive company. This is a kid who deserves the attention some fellows further up the list will grab.

Anthony Morrow | Age: 24 | Height: 6-5 Experience: 2 years |
‘09-10 Team: Warriors 2009-10 Stats: 13.2 pt | .454 3P%
Status: Restricted free agent ($1 million qualifying offer)

The Skinny: Morrow is undoubtedly one of the league’s best shooters — he shot almost 47 percent on threes as a rookie, and just about 45 percent this season, all while taking almost 40 percent of his FGAs from long-range for a team that lives behind the arc. Morrow is also a solid rebounder at the two-guard (below average at SF — Don Nelson is the only NBA coach who would play Morrow there),and a effort-giving defender. He’s a much better Daniel Gibson in other words, and deserves attention from contender and rebuilder alike.

I like Anthony Morrow (former GT guy). And with a QO of only $1 million, maybe we can offer him a price that Golden State wont match.

JO is an intriguing possibility. He can provide minutes at PF and Center.

I also like Amir Johnson as our backup PF.

Big Ray

June 8th, 2010
2:06 pm

O’brien

I like the idea of Amir and Morrow. O’Neal? Not so much.

Nire ,

Didn’t know you went under the knife. Hang in there, ‘bud. It’ll get better.

Vava ,

LOL…that was a good one!

Melvin

June 8th, 2010
2:08 pm

OB,

I think the tricky part about JO is, how much money is he looking for. He probably could command at least MLE or above especially if he resign with Miami. If Bosh goes to Miami, will they be willing reunite JO and Bosh. I think that experiment failed in Toronto. I wonder if they would be interested in a S&T JO for ZaZa. Then the Hawks will still have their exception monies to sign Amir and Morrow or another wing player especially if Mo leaves.

In my perfect world I would prefer to resign Chills, trade ZaZa for JO and sign Amir Johnson.

i_am_soulstar

June 8th, 2010
2:43 pm

Anthony Morrow’s kind of a Peja Stojakavic to me, he sure can stroke it, but don’t expect much else. Intelligent player though, he knows his strengths and weaknesses, and simply sticks to what he does best. And he’s going into his 3rd year, so he’s likely to continually improve.

I’d take him!