Hawks fans: Summer speculation

Is summer really here yet? The thermostat in my house says “yes!” My truck parked outside of the garage (I don’t park in there, The Queen does, and if you’re married, you KNOW who The Queen is) with the windows up agrees, especially if I happen to be getting into it in the middle of the day. The NBA Playoffs? They say “no”, summer doesn’t begin until they end. So we can’t call this the summer doldrums. Shall we call it the late spring, my-team-lost-sooner-than-I’d-hoped-but-still-somewhat-expected doldrums? Of course, I see that some of us are in full mid-summer form, raising their canniblogging (copyrighted term, circa MannyT) capabilities to new levels. You know who you are!

 

Search Still On

No word from master poker player Rick Sund on a new coach. I guess when it was reported that he would be taking his time, that’s precisely what was meant. Or am I being impatient? Does it really matter how quickly Sund picks a new guy to man the rudder? Or is taking longer and “doing your homework” the way to go? Could a flurry of hires by other teams cause Sund to pull the trigger quicker than he’d like? The Philadelphia Sixers have tabbed Doug Collins as their new sideline stalker, and both New Jersey and Chicago have been reported as wanting to make a splash in this part of the market. Will that even have an effect on what Sund does? Chances are, all of the teams that are looking for new coaches (Philadelphia the exception) are going to do their due dilligence and not make moves that are rash, despite the media driven posturing. In fact, nobody except Philly has made a final move, so perhaps Sund isn’t so slow after all…so far.

 

Superfluous Soap Opera of Stupendous Summer of Superstars

How many times have you heard of the Summer of 2010 free agency class? Probably more than you’d care to count, considering the noise surrounding it started over a year ago. So rather than talk about it the same way everybody else has, I figured I’d try to come up with the most ridiculous title to such a discussion as I possibly could. Something tells me that A) I outdid myself, and B) Somebody who has never posted here will confirm this suspicion in a most unflattering fashion. Viva La Blogging!!

Okay, back to the topic at hand. While the conversation in media circles has been usually about which star free agent player will go where, things have taken a turn for the more…oh, I just about can’t find the words for it. And THIS time, it’s not simply some columnist or pundit somewhere trying to think up something new and clever to say. No, this latest batch of preposterous possibilities comes from the free agents-to-be themselves (Dwyane Wade being the mouthpiece in this case). Or so it has been reported. Personally, I think the idea of the top free agents of this summer getting together to discuss their future destinations is either nonsense. Or could there be an unseen nugget of truth to Wade’s statements? Hey, don’t take my word for it, check out Atlanta Hawks beat writer Michael Cunningham, as he  weighs in on the matter and tells it like it is.

Speaking of Wade, here’s an interesting statement he made, adding an NBA players perspective on coaching, to the mix. The below excerpt is from the original article that started all this noise about the star free agents conferring together:

“I don’t necessarily get into all the coaches stuff,” Wade said. “I feel the coach is only as good as his players. There are some great, great coaches around who can squeeze a lot of life out of their players, like Jerry Sloan. Every year he proves that.”

Now while some of us fans would probably like to latch onto said statement and use it as a “fact” to bolster their opinion on the subject, let’s remember that this is how a player sees it (a different perspective). More specifically, this is how ONE player sees it, not to be confused with or assumed to be the opinion of all NBA players. But it’s an interesting statement all the same. I feel that his assertion that a coach is only as good as his players is both true, and yet incomplete. But then he goes on to mention how there are some truly great coaches who can do a lot with their players. Would that not suggest something different than the idea he posed in his first sentence, suggesting that the level of the players determines the caliber of the coach? I do think so. What might his complete thought be on the matter? I’m guessing you’d be hard pressed to get that, especially from a player of Wade’s level. He’s well paid and things are built around him. He either won’t have much to say out of caution, or because he doesn’t really care as much as you’d think. Or maybe neither idea is on the mark. You might get something completely different from a guy who is coming off the bench, and playing for his third or fourth team in his seven years of NBA experience.

So is either idea correct? Or is it a mix of both. Maybe Wade is saying that the average coach is only as good as the players you give him to work with, but the truly great coaches can do much more with what they are given. That makes sense to me, at least to an extent, whether I agree or not. It’s a perspective, not something written in stone. Then again, what if you give an average or mediocre coach a great player or two? Will that raise the ability of the coach to do what he is supposed to do? Does it change his knowledge of the game? Does it influence his ability to make in-game decisions, exploit matchups, counter the opposing coaches’ and teams’ strategies and tactics? Or are all of those things intangibles that a coach either has, or doesn’t have, and can either learn or not learn? Are the players merely average, worse, or better tools to work with in trying to accomplish a goal (winning)?

If that is true, then what makes a truly great coach who can maximize what he has, different than his peers? Hawks fans, and basketball fans in general – What do you think?

 

On A Side Note…

David Stern continues to keep what seems to me like an unnecessary choke hold on the Lebron Sweepstakes. Hawks co-owner Michael Gearon finds himself the latest victim of breathing a single word about even liking the idea of acquiring Lebron James. Predictably, Mark Cuban was the first (imagine that), and may not be the least. Tampering? What tampering? Saying you wouldn’t mind having Lebron James on your team is tampering? Wouldn’t anybody say that? And not that I’m complaining, but why did Cuban get a $100,00 fine, but Gearon only gets $25,000? Is Stern putting a price on the type of words you use, or can the ASG simply not afford as much? Okay, okay, the last was a low blow (and a JOKE, I repeat JOKE), that I couldn’t resist. What can I say, I’m just another fan suffering from the doldrums described in the first paragraph of this post.

 

Summer of Sund continues….

186 comments Add your comment

dr.maryb

May 31st, 2010
10:47 am

OBRIEN

KOBE was a #13th pick? Wow! I forgot about that! Wasn’t he drafted by the Honets & then, traded to
LAKERS on draft night in exchange for ???? Who was he traded to LA for?

It’s been a while & I’m too lazy to do research. I really appreciate all the researchers on this blog!

I actually work with the Atlanta Dream behind the scenes a little. Off the record, they’re playing awesome right now.

We must find a GEM somewhere in this draft! We need a better talent scout in that so – called front office.
Maybe, we can borrow Dimitroff for a couple of weeks to find us a player using that
Falcons Formula. We need to hire an outside consulting agency to prospect players intangibles – is there a company out here who provides a service like that? Or, is it just the Draft Board People?

dr.maryb

May 31st, 2010
11:03 am

Is was NOT impressed with Amare’s rebounding & mid-range shot. Selections in that Laker’s series.
I would like to see him, (like J-Smoove) to plant his azz in the post. Amare plays smaller than his size when he is away from the basket.

I was disgusted with Amare’s lack of prescence in their series loss! I’m Not sure how he would look without
Steve Nash at point. I don’t think he gets that Max-Money consideration at this point – anyway,
How old is he? What’s he looking for $20 Million/year? No way – Jose’.

I would take him in Atl, but for much less & only 4 years. I’m sure he will remain a SUN!
His defense wasn’t that impressive to me either! Although he did put up 41 pts in one home game.

Rather than him? I’d rather have a center or veteran PG! I think Josh plays better paint defense than Amare & he’s younger, cheaper & and can fill the stat sheet! Josh does it ALL! And he plays with fire, heart & a little too much emotions….but at least Josh has a radial pulse & he’s ALIVE on the court!

niremetal

May 31st, 2010
11:17 am

Ray,

Look at the competition Toney Douglas, Wayne Ellington, and Omri Casspi had. That stuff cuts both ways, since they all were only “rotation” players relative to scrubs.

niremetal

May 31st, 2010
11:21 am

Of course, Casspi wasn’t a “rotation” player. He was a rotation player, sans quote marks. Anyway, color me unimpressed with Douglas and Ellington, just like I was with Shelden. The difference is that players like Douglas and Ellington are about the best you can hope for late in the first round, whereas we coulda done a hell of a lot better with the #5 pick.

O'Brien

May 31st, 2010
1:32 pm

Drmaryb,

Kobe was traded for vlade divac.

We need a backup center who can play defense. The problem is, its easier to find an offensive player.

I like the flexibility of playing al at PF and Center. But ZaZa is too soft to complement him on defense.

dr.maryb

May 31st, 2010
1:53 pm

OBRIEN

Thks! I would have never remembered that. ” Vlade – Vlade, he likes to Party”
That dude smoked 2 packs of cigs a day & still ran the floor! LOL!

What ever happened to Vlade? Is he still in the US? mmmmmmhhh!

Thks OBRIEN. Mmmmmwah!
Happy Memorial Day! Be safe!

dr.maryb

May 31st, 2010
2:04 pm

OBRIEN!

I bet the Hornets wished they NEVER made that trade. KOBE probably still would have ended up in LA eventually though! The Hornets are a small market team that has moved to New Orleans & with
KOBE being such a DIVA? I’m sure he would have opted out at 1st chance.

Was Alnonzo Mourning & Deririck Coleman (the laziest bum to ever suit it up with tremendous talent & no heart) still there when Kobe was drafted? Derrick Coleman would show up in New York for disciplinary hearings in a stinky, slept in, sweat suit! I heard he was like that (dread-locked football player in Miami now who traveled abroad to smoke weed for like 2 or so years). Aaah…what’s his name?
Is it (Ricky Williams?) His teammates said he refused to shower after practice and games.mor, he showered with his helmet on! LOL!

Anyway, both these cats smell like dogs and don’t like to wash their butt-cracks!
Uuuuggghhh !!!!!! I just lost my appetite for barbeque! LOL!

Later fellas…..& remember – dr.maryb likes good, clean, fresh men! So wash up & I’ll see you later!

Now, when are we gonna get us a coach & a draft pick?

Melvin

May 31st, 2010
3:25 pm

Dr.Maryb,

If memory recalls me correctly, Kobe refuse to play for the Hornets (or any East Coast team except for Knicks). He made it known prior to the draft that he was not going to play for, so they had no choice but to trade him…

O'Brien

May 31st, 2010
4:13 pm

Hoopshype is reporting that thibodeau is hornets choice for coach, with Monty Williams being their second choice. However, Chris Paul allegedly prefers Monty Williams.

Any news on the hawks coaching search? Its sooooooooo sloooooow around here.

Oh yeah, and amare has said he will talk to the other big name free agents.

Sautee

May 31st, 2010
6:06 pm

Ray,

I forgot to mention this, but NICE Shakespeare reference a few days ago.

Here’s a frightening thought:

Is Pendergraph Sund’s Iago?

The “realist” in me would like to know. Heh heh.

vava74

May 31st, 2010
6:55 pm

MannyT,

Unless I developed a bizarre inability to understand my own words, I never suggested that we needed a shooting big.

I actually said that, following up on the discussion had over Lionel Hollins’ interview, we should try to sign a C which complemented Josh and Al and than IMO that would be a bruising/physical C since Zaza’s particular skills do not complement Josh and Al’s lack of size and roughness down low.

Hence, I think we could have someone who could steal some minutes from Al at the C slot with Al stealing some minutes from Josh at the PF slot and have Zaza work as a situational 4th big only until we managed to package him in a trade and in that event, I would see if RandMo could be the 4th big coming off the bench to provide some situational offense in the low post (in for 5/8 minutes but getting 3 to 6 good shots during that period against smaller and weaker interior adversaries).

I like Zaza, but in spite of him being considered dirty, he plays smaller than his size on D since he does not have upper body strength nor anything resembling jumping ability.

Furthermore, Zaza’s offensive game is more “finesse” oriented since he has difficulty finishing in traffic (weak hands and no jumping) and we would be better off with someone who simply smacked that rock hard and broke hands trying to block his dunks.

If we cannot get that and do keep Zaza, we should get him to shoot from the high post where his shot is pretty decent if the play is designed well enough for him to square and shoot (we saw that in spurts this year).

One of the problems with Woody was that the Hawks did not have any sort of consistent shot selection depending on the line ups playing and that is always a capital error.

In order to be effective, you need to mix and match and act accordingly. You simply cannot expect that a player like Zaza who cannot finish in traffic suddenly comes up with 5 off rebounds per game and make his minutes be worth it ALL the time like that.

He can do it some times, but you need to motivate him by catering to his ability and one of them is his relatively decent jump shot.

The problem is, if he is doing that shot and he is the only big on floor who can get an offensive rebound, then that shot is not a good option.

Consequently, if you have Zaza playing and you want to take advantage of his game, you need to pair him with someone who will crash the boards and keep defenses deep in the paint and not the opposite, IMO Al at the PF slot is a good option for that (and Josh, who is not is what we saw paired with Zaza more often).

As for a C with 3 point range… Well, I think Al will have 3 point range very soon.

I am not talking .400 stuff, but I am very confident that Al will be shooting .340/350 from 3 point land within 2 years max AND he will do it in a very disciplined way.

vava74

May 31st, 2010
7:16 pm

And MannyT, in reply to your actual question, no, I cannot advise Sund since I hardly see any Euro bball.

It’s not that is not entertaining enough (sometimes it is quite) it’s that I simply do not have the time.

And to be perfectly frank, although I complain about the lack of sleep, the only way I can follow the Hawks is due to the time zone difference.

For instance, whenever the Hawks played during the afternoon in the US, I was not able to watch the games: I was either with my better half and our little girl enjoying family time or cooking dinner, or both at the same time.

One thing I can tell you, though, Euro BBall, in particular in some countries like Greece or in the countries which used to form Jugoslavia, you almost ALWAYS have playoff atmosphere, in particular when you have heated, historical rivalries:

It’s quite frequent for opposing teams to be pelted with coins and plastic lighters during tight games, so I kind of look forward for the day in which Artest may come to Europe during his twilight and see his reaction to a mob of fans crazier than him.

O'Brien

May 31st, 2010
7:29 pm

Vava,

I have heard chills talk about the intensity in greece. He said his car has been vandalized, fans throw stuff at the players etc.

Given the Greek economy, and the fact his contract expires next year (he will not get a big Greek deal next year) I think he opts out and tries to work a sign and trade deal with sund.

I don’t see Al shooting the 3. He might extend his range, but not to the 3 pt line. The interesting point is he does have better form than Josh.

I agree wih you that the Hawks need a defensive minded big (pf or center). But we also need a shooter to help stretch the floor (redick maybe).

vava74

May 31st, 2010
7:45 pm

OB,

We need a consistent 3 point threat off bench who can hit day in day out instead of guys like Mo who shoot .450 one month and .250 the other.

And for me, it could be just a situational spot shooter who played short spurts and got a few quick shots and then be off to the bench again.

As for Mo, my preferred Mo move is when he fakes the 3, drives and pops a mid range shot. Usually he does that with confidence and with good results. Obviously, for that to work he needs to be seen as a moderate 3 point threat.

I like Mo and I even think he could be our SG but being the first guy to come off the floor to give way to more offense (Craw).

He is grossly underutilized when playing the SF slot which is well beyond his physical skills.

Al’s shot looks quite good and really think he can develop 3 point range.

Obviously, I prefer that he tries to develop his low post moves, in particular his left hand so he can fake going right, spin and go left.

If he managed to do that consistently it would work wonders since he would stop being so predictable down low and it would be much more difficult to stop him.

Another thing he should work on: head fakes both offensively and defensively. Defensively he gets lifted way too much since he tries to compensate his lack of size by being airborne before the opponents release their shots and on offense, no one and I mean no one buys his head fakes.

vava74

May 31st, 2010
7:48 pm

OB,

By the way:

a) Redick is going nowhere.

b) Redick is far worse than he looks if opposing players are not collapsing on Howard.

vava74

May 31st, 2010
7:52 pm

vava74

May 31st, 2010
7:54 pm

vava74

May 31st, 2010
7:54 pm

vava74

May 31st, 2010
7:58 pm

vava74

May 31st, 2010
7:59 pm

Blog monster is blocking this other link.

These guys in Salonika (Greece) are a pretty good sample.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qo3h-NmXDU

O'Brien

May 31st, 2010
8:56 pm

Redick is the cheapest shooter available. Sure, he has his faults, but i dont think we can afford mike miller or kyle korver.

Another magic player i like (depending on the price). Matt Barnes made $1.6 mil last year, but he is opting out. I know he is 30, but If I’m the hawks, I would offer him $2.5 mil per year for 2 years to be our backup SF (That’s assuming we don’t bring chills back of course).

I am okay with mo Evans as our backup SG if we keep JJ and trade Jamal. But I don’t want mo as a starter.

Melvin

May 31st, 2010
9:08 pm

Ok Mr.Pendergraph I about to do your job for you and allow you to have the credit. Get this kid in a Hawks uniform on draft night. This guy is a player and he’s only 19.

Vava, OB, Sautee,

You want big that can shoot, well look no longer. He’s a diamond in the rough that may be a superstar in a few years…

Get it done Sund…

http://www.slamonline.com/online/media/slam-tv/2010/05/video-is-ryan-richards-nba-material/

vava74

May 31st, 2010
9:14 pm

Damn, maybe its my eyes but I still can’t see WHERE DID I SUGGEST that we need a big that can shoot?

We need a BRUISER a guy which physique complements Josh and Al’s shortcomings to come off bench and allow Al to move to the PF slot for a few minutes giving Josh a rest (in particular because I would ask Josh to ALWAYS start games going ALL OUT blocking, stealing, dunking and doing most of all crashing the boards as if there was no tomorrow).

vava74

May 31st, 2010
9:23 pm

Melvin,

Did you notice that he was playing against players 6′8” or less?

He does have very good body control for his size and seems to be an interesting prospect, however, he will not be able to launch a single comfortable shot against NBA opposition since he brings the ball waaay forward before releasing it.

Sautee

May 31st, 2010
9:36 pm

Melvin,

I want a banger as well. IF I ever suggested getting a big who could shoot, it was ONLY to fit in Woody’s offense (if you could call it that).

But over and over I’ve pleaded for a Jeff Foster type to play 18-20 minutes.

Melvin

May 31st, 2010
9:41 pm

Nice suggestion for the Hawks. Dang Mr.Pendergraph, everyone is trying to help since you have no clue…

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2010/5/31/1494661/around-the-association-2010-nba

Melvin

May 31st, 2010
9:44 pm

Hey guys, we can sign a banger in FA for immediate help and bring Ryan Richard along slowly. Could we be looking at the next Dirk or Kevin Durant??? I think he’s worth a gamble.

Melvin

May 31st, 2010
9:46 pm

Vava,

Look at Kevin Durant’s shot, he almost shoots it off his face and I rarely seen him get his shot block…

niremetal

May 31st, 2010
9:57 pm

Melvin,

I wouldn’t put much stock in the suggestions of a guy who lists Josh as an SF.

Oh, and for all your posts about prospects the Hawks could select and citing exceptions as if they are the rule, the fact remains that most players drafted outside the top 20 fail to become consistent rotation players. A good GM will shoot about 50% with picks 21-30. You want to pretend otherwise? Fine. But know that you are, in fact, pretending.

Melvin

May 31st, 2010
10:04 pm

Nire,

No pretending needed. Just look at the Hawks draft record and tell me that you have confidence in this organization. 50% would definitely be an improving for them…

Astro Joe

May 31st, 2010
10:10 pm

Been gone for a few days. Am I to understand that rotational players become evident after a single year? I read some posts here and on MC’s blog about picks after 20 not being rotational players… is that after a single season or is that the perception even 2-3 years down the line? I’m also curious about the proximity of the magical line drawn at #20… as it may suggest that a #19 pick is in spitting distance of being a “non-rotational player” in his rookie season (at a minimum).

From the file of “nothing good ever comes from talking to the media”, exactly WTF was Pendergraph doing with that interview? He lowered the trade value of the pick by essentially saying that “no immeidate help” is available with the Hawks pick. So if they choose to trade it, they won’t likely get fair-market value after claiming their pick is defective. If they keep it, the new guy likely walks in the door feeling like an “irregular” shirt that was purchased from the clearance rack of the dollar store. Hopefully, he uses that to motivate himself (or someone may claim that the management “took his spirit”).

One way or the other, Pendergraph needs to shut-up. And if chooses to talk, lie. Say that they think they could get a player like JON who in 3-4 years will be a franchise cornerstone. Why must we have the only truthful front office in the NBA?

niremetal

May 31st, 2010
10:21 pm

Melvin,

I never said that either the Hawks or Rick Sund had a good draft record. Hell, I even cracked a joke at Sund’s expense about his draft record a couple days back. That doesn’t change the reality that outside the lottery, the draft is a crapshoot for even the best GMs. Take a look at this link:
http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

The average career averages for #24 picks drafted between 1989 and 2008 are 7.9ppg, 3.0rpg, and 2.1apg in 20.6mpg. And that is the BEST average for any pick from #22 downward. Guys drafted #22 averaged 5.6ppg, 3.0rpg, and 1.2apg in 16.9mpg. Guys at #25 averaged 5.2ppg, 2.7rpg, and 0.9apg in 14.6mpg. The average production of players drafted #47 is better than those drafted #29.

Box score stats aren’t always a great indicator, but the mpg averages tell you that most of these guys were not front 8 in an NBA rotation. Like I said, crapshoot. Good GMs bat about .500 in terms of finding consistent rotation players (ie guys who are in the rotation even when the team is healthy).

The Hawks’ draft record is atrocious mainly because of blown lottery picks. That’s fair game for criticism, no doubt. But that doesn’t mean that Pendergraph was wrong when he said that picking where the Hawks are picking, it’s hard to find rotation players.

niremetal

May 31st, 2010
10:23 pm

And before you get on me for Pendergraph saying it, I already said it was stupid to make that comment to the media. I can’t imagine what strategic purpose it could serve.

vava74

May 31st, 2010
10:26 pm

Has anyone seen the two links I posted?

Don’t you all think that Childress will come from Greece a fearless dude which will not even blink when confronted with “nba playoff intensity”?

I actually think that it should become mandatory to send developing talent to Greece in order to check of which exact material guys are made off.

Turkey and ex-Jugoslavia are also pretty good destinations for this purpose.

vava74

May 31st, 2010
10:27 pm

The Hawks are marred by perennial stupidity and futility…

MannyT

June 1st, 2010
1:29 am

@vava I didn’t mean to imply that you suggested a C with a long range jumper, but I do recognize that it is more likely to find one in Europe than the US. Given your location, I nominated you for the job of finding one for the Hawks.

As a Hawks fan, I’m not sure if you stay up late to see them or if they keep you from sleeping because you are a fan ;-)

@nire Thanks for the 82games.com link. We are in the sweet spot (#24)at the bottom of the draft. Now I do expect more out of Sund than if we had the 23rd or 25th pick. 40% chance we get a solid player or better. Expectations are a bear!

@Melvin your boston.com link shows that the Celtics do well picking late. Maybe we should just look at their media suggestions and go with one of those guys. Gordon Hayward fits. J Hey & G Hay. If it works, the Falcons & Thrashers will be looking for guys with a similar last name :grin:

Also had interesting point about Ewing not getting any coaching respect after 7 years in the assistant coaching trenches. I think he deserves more of a shot than Mark Jackson.

I hope we do make a hire soon. Give the guy a chance to have some input in the draft process. After all, he will coach the player selected.

WWSD

ken

June 1st, 2010
3:12 am

FORGET A BANGER, BANGER’S DONT WHEN CHAMPIONSHIPS, DO THA LAKERS GOT A BANGER, (WHOSE GOOD)? DO THA CETLICS GOT A BANGER (WHOSE GOOD)? ILL TAKE THA KID RICHARDS WHO CAN STRETCH THE FLOOR AND LEAVE ROOM FOR JOSH SMITH AND HORFORD TO WORK. THAT KID CAN KEEP OPPOSING TEAM BIGS FROM CAMPING IN THA PAINT. (DWIGHT HOWARD). THIS A PARAMETER LEAGUE. THIS AINT THA D##N 80S OR 90S. THIS THE 2010. WE WIN IN THA PLAYOFFS NOT THE SEASON. YOUR BANGERS DWIGHT HOWARD, STAT, TIM DUNCAN, CARLOS BOOZER, HORFORD, CHANDLER, NOAH, SHAQ AND THA KING. ARE GONE FISHIN

vava74

June 1st, 2010
3:49 am

Best possible draft for the Hawks?

Re-signing Childress.

O'Brien

June 1st, 2010
8:33 am

How do you guys feel about Brad Miller? He is 34, but he played in every game for Chicago, averaging 9 pts and 5 rebs in 23 mpg. He is a legit 7’, and although he made $12.5 mil last year, my guess is he knows a big pay cut is coming.

I don’t know how much of a banger he is though. What about Haywood? Is he considered a banger? Would one of these guys be worth the MLE (and is that even in their price range)?

Another 7 footer who the Hawks could get for cheap (but I don’t know much about his game) is Johan Petro. Rick Sund should be very familiar with him, since he drafted him in 2005 with the 25th pick for Seattle.

Petro averaged 4 pts and 4 rebounds in 12 mpg for Denver. I wonder if he can give you what ZaZa gives you, for 1/3 of ZaZa’s price.

I also think we should resign RandMo, even if he is the 13th guy. He has some decent post moves, good size, and if we can get a legit big man coach, and a coach who knows how to us him based on the situation, he could be decent.

Big Ray

June 1st, 2010
9:29 am

Am I to understand that rotational players become evident after a single year? I read some posts here and on MC’s blog about picks after 20 not being rotational players… is that after a single season or is that the perception even 2-3 years down the line? I’m also curious about the proximity of the magical line drawn at #20… as it may suggest that a #19 pick is in spitting distance of being a “non-rotational player” in his rookie season (at a minimum).

Allow me to answer the question. From the website 961answers_to_347questions_you_now_wish_you_never_asked_about_82games_and_every_obscure_statistic_in_between.com :

General managers who have draft picks below the top 20 have a 99% chance of getting a player who is a contributor. All but 1% of players picked in the draft will be able to contribute in some way (bag carrier, involuntary popcorn cargo transporter, towel and gatorade distributor, clipboard fetcher, etc). The aforementioned 1% are unable to contribute because they are still in another country and don’t want to play for Minnesota and that General Manager that looks like an overgrown, half-retarded hobbit.

Finding a rotational player is much more difficult. Below the 20th pick lies a 39.5% chance of getting a rotational player if the GM borrowed Bill Belichick’s spy equipment, stayed in a Holiday Inn the night before, or got laid. If two of the three elements are present, then the chances are reduced to 28.6%. If only one of the elements is present, then the chances are reduced again to 18.3%.

If the number of European or Asian players projected to be picked from slots 21 through 32, by no less than 3 mock draft sites, is less than 4, then the percentage is now 11.8%. If the number of said players is greater than 7, then the percentage is now 7.3%. If the foreign prospect is bilingual and willing to play anywhere in the NBA, then the percentage rises to 69%.

If the prospect in question can play more than one position, the chance that they will be a rotational player is 84%. If their natural position is unclear at the next level, the percentage is reduced to 25%.

Note: The likelihood of a player becoming a rotational player applies only to year one. For years two and three, take the square root of the draft slot number, then add that to 71. Drop your result into the quadratic equation, then divide that answer by 4 to the third power. Move the decimal point to the left two times, and then take three shots of Maker’s Mark and call it a night.

Because for all you know, your highest pick in the draft in the last decade may just barely average double figure scoring in his fifth year.

That should explain everything….

Melvin

June 1st, 2010
9:31 am

Yes sir, we are in the dog days of summer canniblogging…
Now where in the heck is ARIOSE????? I need my links…

Big Ray

June 1st, 2010
9:41 am

Yeah, I miss that guy…

niremetal

June 1st, 2010
9:44 am

Ha – nice one, Ray! Sounds like just another typical day at the blog ;)

And Ariose does need to get his ass back here, especially since summer’s here again. And the French Open is on. Can anyone else here banter about tennis??

Astro Joe

June 1st, 2010
9:56 am

Who needs coahcing when drafts lotting pre-determines your fate.

Meanwhile, I’m in favor of Jerome Jrordna, Crag Brackins or Trevor Booker… and yes, on this particular team, I think they could all contribute.

Brad Miller would be a good get for a one year deal. In the past, he’s been a good rebounder and shot blocker. A rotation of Horford, Smith and Miller would give Coach Vacant plenty of options. If we’re headed down the NBDL path (which seemingly would suggest that these guys aren’t likely going to be rotational players because if your odds are poor if drafted in the 20s, what are they when you are selected from the 60s?) then Sund will need to go real strong amongst his first 7-8 and then roll the dice thereafter. Like a Gardner, Jones, Morris, Hunter and West kind of roll-of-the-dice. But Coach Vacant will beat all of the aforementioned odds… which reminds me, if Coach Vacant will work miracles with the NBDL crew, why is #24 doomed for a career in the Icelandic League?

Astro Joe

June 1st, 2010
9:59 am

Serena looks really nice in some of those tennis outfits. Real nice. Amazingly nice. She has a very, very, very nice set of skills. Well developed skills.

Thus concludes my tennis banter.

Astro Joe

June 1st, 2010
10:03 am

I will try to post the link later, but Sekou said on 680The Fan this morning that he thinks Joe will leave the Hawks. And he has no inclination of who the next coach will be (just that the new coach will be expected to exceed this past season’s performance and that will not be an easy thing to achieve).

Astro Joe

June 1st, 2010
10:19 am

Hassan Whiteside showed up to the combine in flip-flops to be measured? NO THANKS! He may become the next “name-your-favorite-big-man-here” but I want no part of a kid who shows up to a job interview in flip-flops (not unless he’s interviewing to become the team’s life-guard). Kind of reminds me of the story of a few UGA basketball players going on a road trip without their basketball shoes. WTF is wrong with some of these kids?

Melvin

June 1st, 2010
11:05 am

Astro,

Calm down. I think Serena outfit raised your sugar level (what the country folks call it) too high. Hassan showed up in flip flops b/c he didn’t need the extra inch and half sneaker (or the 2 inch pumps that Cole Aldrich was wearing)…

Astro Joe

June 1st, 2010
11:30 am

Melvin, hopefully Whiteside didn’t think that he was only competing against Aldrich… there may have been a few other young, long and athletic big men at the combine. But then again, he’s already claming that he is the next great big man. I guess when you’ve got it going on like that (after playing at Marshall of all great college basketball programs), you can wear anything on your feet. :roll:

Have I mentioned how impressed I was with Booker’s attitude toward his future NBA career? Very refreshing.

O'Brien

June 1st, 2010
11:59 am

AJ,

Booker says all the right things, so if he continues to work on improving his game, and he ends up in the right situation, I think he can be a poor man’s DeJuan Blair.

Whiteside has potential, but his biggest drawback seems to be his maturity. How will he respond when he sits on the bench for 4 or 5 games? Is he going to pout, or is he going to keep working? And what’s his work ethic? And him showing up in flip flops is not as bad as WR Dez Bryant who showed up at his pro-day and forgot his cleats.

I’m starting to think JJ is leaving too. Why stay with the Hawks, when he can probably go to another team and join forces with another big name FA, improving his chances at winning a title, and feel more appreciated?

And speaking of JJ, there was an article that somebody posted on MC’s blog. It suggested JJ to Chicago in a SNT for Hinrich, Taj Gibson, and draft picks.

Hinrich is pricey (2 years, $17 mil), but he gives us a tough defensive minded PG who could also play spot minutes at SG if needed. And next year, Hinrich and Bibby will be expiring contracts worth $14.5 mil.

Taj Gibson is still young (24) and on the skinny side (6’9”, 225 lbs). But he could be in the mix for the backup PF spot (he averaged 9 pts, 7.5 rebs in 27 mpg).

However, their draft picks are going to be at the lower end of the first round (assuming they get JJ and one other big name FA).

What do you guys think about that deal? Personally, I would prefer if the Hawks get a draft pick and a trade exception for JJ, but we could also lose him for nothing, and only have $8 mil in cap space to show for it.