50 wins possible, will Hawks do better?

Where were the Hawks around this time last season? At 34 wins and 27 losses through 61 games. So after 60 games this season, the Hawks stand at 39 and 21. If they win this Friday night against Golden State, then they’ll have shown a 6 game improvement over the exact number of games as last season.

With 22 games remaining in the regular season, the Hawks have but to play .500 ball to make the “magic” mark of 50 wins. But isn’t that last season’s goal? Will 50 wins mean THIS season, what it would have last season? I don’t think so, and the main reason has to do with playoff position. Last year, Atlanta surprised many people with 47 wins and a 4th seed playoff position. In winning their first round series, they proved that they were there by no mistake. As we all remember, an injury-plagued second round series was something far less pleasant.

Road Record

This season is different. The Hawks know that they have to improve in a number of ways. One of the goals was to play at least .500 ball on the road. The Hawks have done that and a smidgen more, but need to finish out the season strong to ensure that they meet that goal. Twelve of these last twenty-two games will be on the road. Guess what? Not  a single one of them will be a cake walk, although some are arguably easier than others. For instance, it was obvious that the Sixers were no match for us at Phillips Arena, but what happens if we let them shoot over 50% at home? Other games have shown us that we can’t take anything for granted (Detroit and New York), regardless of how bad the opposing team is. The Nets are the league’s worst team this year, but didn’t those guys just knock off the Celtics? Nothing is guaranteed. For the Hawks to reach their goal of going .500 or better on the road, they have to win a minimum of 6 out of the last 12 road games, which would make them 21 and 20 on the road. Would you be satisfied with that, or do you want more?

50 Ain’t Enough

I can’t say this more plainly. 50 wins is nice, but it won’t be enough to maintain a #3 seed for playoff time. It won’t be enough to catch the Orlando Magic and win the southeast division, either. Would it be an improvement? Sure. Is that improvement really enough? Not if you want to accomplish one of the two things mentioned earlier (#3 seed, divisional champion/leader), and not if you’re fully healthy. So how many wins is enough? Let’s start by doing a little math (I’m not going to go in the number of directions that this can take us, everybody can pitch in on the numbers game). Let’s say the Hawks win just 6 out of their remaining 12 road games. That puts us at 45 wins before we begin counting home games. There are 10 more home games, so the Hawks would have to win half of those just to make it to 50 wins. But wouldn’t going 11 and 11 for the rest of the season be a serious indicator that something is wrong? If it weren’t key injuries (let’s say that VERY quietly, we’ve been very fortunate to this point), then it would have to be something else. Something we don’t want to see, but probably fixable. Well, I don’t like that math, and the Hawks are way better than a .500 team at home.

Of course, that doesn’t answer the question: how many wins is enough? We’re not liable to know until we get closer to the end of the season, though I’m sure some of us can give some pretty good projection numbers. I’m going to say 54 wins at a very minimum, if not more. 54 may be enough to hold off Boston at the #3 seed. But, it may not be enough to catch and pass Orlando (and make no mistake, we have to PASS them, as they win any season tie-breakers hands down). Why that number? Truthfully, it’s just a guess. But here are three accompanying guesses that I’ll use to explain my pick: 

1) I’m guessing Boston really, really, REALLY doesn’t want to get stuck in a fourth seed spot with a very tough (and hungry) fifth seed opponent. Their pride is wounded, and nothing would be worse for them than losing official “Big Three” status in the win/loss column to none other than the team they swear isn’t good enough to be one of their rivals. The Celts are struggling, but they can never be counted as a badly wounded animal. Just ask the Bobcats, who thought they might be able to catch them after a loss to the Nets. Boston will work hard to wrest third place in the East back from us, but do they have the strength and will to do it? Time will tell. But time begins to run short.

2) I’m guessing that Orlando really wants to hold onto that #2 seed and as an aside, prove that each dominating win against us was as real as it gets. How do you totally dominate a foe when you play them, then lose the division to them? Orlando doesn’t want to found out the hard way, and pay the price in the form of an unwanted playoff seeding. They’ll be watching the standings as well, and there will be first round opponents that they’d rather not face, too. Besides, they’d like to prove to the Cleveland Cavaliers for the second year in a row that having the conference’s best record, doesn’t make you the conference’s best team. Orlando is not likely to catch the Cavs in the standings, but they don’t want any upstarts sneaking up behind them, either.

3) I’m guessing the competition for the 5th through 7th playoff slots will continue to be pretty nasty. Whether Boston likes it or not, the “Big Three” have become the “Big Four”, even if only in the standings. 5th seeded Toronto is a whole 7 games below 4th seeded Boston, who only trails us by a half game. Unless one of these teams goes on one hell of a tear, or Atlanta/Boston takes a serious nose dive (or any combination of the two), the fight won’t get any closer than the 5th seed. As it stands now, Toronto has a scant half game lead over Milwaukee and Chicago, who have identical records. 8th seeded Miami is just two games away, and Charlotte is but three games away (and fighting for that 8th spot). Beyond that is the dregs of the East, teams that are highly unlikely to make the playoffs at all. But among those teams, one has beaten us twice (Miami), two have beaten us once (Chicago, Charlotte), and one has come close (Milwaukee).  

Having said that, those teams will be facing us and the other top three teams in the East fairly often here, in the last quarter of the season. Wins against us will be the difference in where they are seeded for the playoffs. We’ll face a desperate-to-make-the-playoffs Charlotte squad twice more this season. Same for Milwaukee and Toronto. These may be some of the toughest games we have towards the end. Same can be said for the other three members of the Big Four. Each team may approach this differently. Boston will be playing with a sense of desperation, whether they admit it or not. Cleveland probably figures they have it in the bag, but with Shaq out, will they get serious again? Orlando might see a chance to overtake Cleveland, so we can’t expect them to mail it in at the #2 seed. The Hawks? They need to be locked in and sharper than ever.

 

 

HAWKS VS. WARRIORS

What Happened?

We owe these guys, plain and simple.

The Warriors gave us a wake up call at their place, but did we hear it? It wasn’t that we couldn’t score the ball. Joe did it plenty by shooting over 50% enroute to another 30+ point night. Al Horford and Josh Smith were all but unstoppable down low (though Josh didn’t shoot so well), combining to pound the Warriors for 40 points and 28 rebounds. But we missed shots when we needed them. Mike Bibby was all but a non-factor, Marvin Williams was efficient but disappeared, and Jamal Crawford missed more than he hit. The rest of the bench contributed next to nothing.

All that, and the offense wasn’t even half of the problem. Atlanta’s continuously declining defense allowed the talented Stephen Curry to get where he wanted, when he wanted, and to take whatever shot he wanted. In the end, the rookie outdueled Joe Johnson, while Monta Ellis posted solid stats of his own, and CJ Watson came off the bench to basically neutralize anything Jamal Crawford did on offense. Rotations were missed. The whole thing was ugly, to put it plainly. Did the Hawks learn their lesson at all?

…And This Time?

It’s important that we get decent contributions from our bench, as we have in the last two games. But there is something else about the last two or three games. Mike Bibby has still been up and down in his production, but he finally seems to have found his 3 point shot, going 11 for 27 in the last six games. That, and his play has been just a bit bette overall, though he is still not getting many assists. Jamal Crawford seems to have found his rhyth as well, averaging 20 ppg over the last two games, and hitting just over 50% of his field goals over that short stretch.  Perhaps more importantly, Marvin Williams has brought both energy and production when he has been in the game. How does 15 ppg and 8 rpg for the last three games grab you? Is it a coincidence that all three games have been wins?

Really, while Jamal’s offense is needed off the bench, it’s Bibby and Marvin who need to produce in the starting lineup. If both are playing badly, their minutes are automatically reduced. Sounds like that’s what should happen, right? The only problem with that is simple.  Jamal Crawford will get the bulk of those minutes, and two things happen then: One, the team will automatically lose defensive and rebounding capability (Marvin is out). Two, the team will lose ball movement likelihood and offensive efficiency. Worse yet, if Jamal is struggling with his shot, you now have three problems – defensive deficiency, stagnant offense (which will only perpetuate more ISOs), and lack of scoring punch. What happens next? Gee, I wonder…

Like it or not, Marvin Williams is a better defender and rebounder any day of the week he choses to be, than is Jamal Crawford. By the same vein, Mike Bibby facilitates ball movement and offensive efficiency better than does Crawford, and it doesn’t always necessarily show in the form of assists. Is this a knock against Crawford? Absolutely not. But Crawford does not play the role of either of those two starters. He is a hired gun first, last, and foremost. And like Flip Murray was, Crawford is a stop-gap at the guard position if the starting pg (or sg) goes down. It’s both his assignment and his nature to be the hired gun. 

Let’s run over this again. Mike Bibby and Marvin Williams are both in the starting lineup for a reason: because they fit. But when they are playing badly, coach Mike Woodson goes to his security blanket (Crawford), which cuts down on the efficiency of the team at both ends. If both are playing reasonably well, then Crawford’s role and effect are magnified, and this team is hard to beat….even when they’re playing crappy defense.

Solid contributions throughout the starting lineup should mean a win, especially in Phillips Arena against an inferior opponent.

 

Your Take

See if you can take a shot at the question above: How many wins do the Hawks need to finish ahead of Boston, or to win the Southeast Division? Is either one possible? How about both?

What do the Hawks need to do to beat the Warriors? Can Marvin keep up his intensity and production? How in the world will the Hawks fix their defensive struggles? Does Bibby finally have his shot back, or is he all but done being a consistent contributor?

119 comments Add your comment

MitchC

March 4th, 2010
5:52 am

Ray, looking at the Hawks remaining schedule, it would look like we have some “easy” games, games like the pathetic Knicks and Nets on the road, We;ve already beaten the Knicks at the Garden this year, and the Nets are the worst team in basketball.

That having been said, we also have several “killer” games left. Cleveland at home and on the road. (Ugh). Lakers at home, Orlando at home.

My guess of how to get to 50 plus would be to run the table of all the weaker teams, and to hope for splits of all the other tougher games.

I hope my friend Mark Bradley doesn;t mind me quoting him, but earlier this year, he predicted 54 wins for the Hawks. We would need to go 15-7 to do that. Doable? Maybe, but I’m going to be a bit more conservative.

I’m going to say that a team that is 18 games over 500 so far, is capable of going… 13 and 9. I say we end up at 52 wins. I dont know exactly what seed that would give us, but my guess for a final, realistic total, unless we unexpectedly surge, or fall apart, is 52. I think a team that has gone 18 over all season, can go four over the rest of the year.

NCBravesFan

March 4th, 2010
7:28 am

The playoff seeding is important, but the larger issue is: will the Hawks play with the consistent urgency on defense … and will they look to penetrate when the perimeter game deserts them? How they answer those two questions will dictate both how they play down the stretch and into the playoffs.

The actual W-L after game 82 won’t mean a whole lot if they haven’t progressed in those two areas.

Big Ray

March 4th, 2010
7:34 am

MitchC ,

Sound logic. I can roll with that. As you said, we hope for better….

NCBravesfan ,

Excellent point. The number of wins aren’t the final answer any more than awards are. We can all take a lesson from last year’s playoffs, wherein the Cleveland Cavaliers boasted 66 wins, an NBA MVP, and a a Coach of The Year. Got bounced in the Eastern Conference Finals. Ouch!

Hawks have to improve their defense or they’ll find that this year’s first round series may be tougher, if that can be believed. Defenses and calls tighten in the playoffs.

NCBravesFan

March 4th, 2010
8:21 am

Big Ray: couldn’t agree more on the first round series point! If the Hawks don’t play good D, they’ll start to get exposed pretty quickly when the playoffs get underway.

As always, love the blog and enjoy your take on things! Don’t get to see them too often up here in NC, but you and the fans in the A-T-L have really clued me in on “the pattern” that seemingly emerges just about every time I watch the Hawks on national telly. (YIKES!)

niremetal

March 4th, 2010
9:05 am

Ray,

From the last blog: I won’t pretend to be an expert, but based on my observations, there’s a big difference between expanding the range of an already-good jumper and getting a good jumper to begin with. My biggest worry about Josh adjusting his mechanics is that he’s been shooting the same way for so long that any adjustments he tries to make now may make things worse rather than better – which means there actually could be harm in him trying. If Mark Price disagrees and thinks he can adjust Josh’s mechanics without that risk, then obviously it’s worth a shot. But that’s my concern about trying that…

Astro Joe

March 4th, 2010
9:05 am

Ray, good read. While I think that the Hawks have a better chance of defeating he Cavs in a given night than the Magic, I think the Cavs are MUCH more difficult to beat in a 7 game series than the Magic. So at this point, I just want the Hawks to hit their peak close to the end of the season and stay in the second round bracket with the Magic.

The Cavs frontcourt depth is too strong to see them lose a 7 game series in this conference. Having 4-5 quality bigs to defend the rim and attack the glass is a huge advantage for any team. The Magic are prone to make the same mistakes as the Hawks, rely too much on jump-shots and exciting drives in the lane (Vince and Jamal can throw up some wild shots) and forget to feed their big man in the post. I think they can make enough mental mistakes in a 7-game series but the Cavs can play so many different styles that I just don’t see how any team other than the Lakers (and I’m not even willing to make that bet) can take them out in a 7-game series.

So all that said, put me down for around 52 wins… Woody will rest some guys in the last 2-3 games and we may lose some of those (remember, we rested everyone against Memphis last season and should have won 48 but the right call was to rest our guys). The key is to secure the #3 slot (IMO). I don’t want to blow a gasket (or a knee/ankle/hamstring) trying to win the division.

O'Brien

March 4th, 2010
9:27 am

Ray,

I think Hawks win 53 games, going 14-8 the rest of the way. The key will be how close are we to Orlando, and how close are the Celtics behind us. Because if we are only 1 game behind Orlando, and Boston 1 game behind us, then Woody might not want to rest his guys.

Speaking of Orlando, how does Howard go for 28 and 12 last night against the Warriors, played 32 minutes, but did not get called for a foul the whole game? I did not watch the game, but I find that hard to believe. I think that ties in to vava’s point that refs let D12 get away with some calls, which hurts the opposing team’s bigs.

I would love to see a Chicago vs Boston first round matchup, because they had a great series last year. Both teams have been banged up this year, but I wonder if they could go 7 games again. I wouldn’t mind seeing Boston losing in the first round either.

If Marvin can give us 15 pts, 8 rebs every game (or at least every other game), the Hawks will be so much better, because it gives the players more options, and it gives Woody more options to mix and match.

I said yesterday on MC’s blog, that the Cavs will be a tough matchup for the Hawks in a 7 game series. As AJ said, they have too much front court depth, and we know LeBron is going to get his too. I’ll take our chances with the Magic, so it would be nice if we can get the #2 seed and homecourt.

KevinA

March 4th, 2010
9:46 am

Since the All-Star break the Hawks are playing a better brand of basketball even with Al and Jamal being off of their best game. Our 6-3 record could have easily been 8-2 or 9-1. Marvin is playing better, Bibby just had his best game in awhile and the bench has looked better of late. We are passing better and the balanced attack has returned.

Preseason I hazarded a guess of 50 to 54 wins. If I were to adjust now I would guess 52 to 56 wins. JJ and Josh have been a beast and will need to continue to achieve this optimistic goal.

Daniel

March 4th, 2010
9:53 am

Ray- good blog.
I am sticking with my original season prediction of 53 wins, but I agree that is probably not enough to secure the three seed. But, 55 wins probably is. Very narrow window here. I am not sure who is a bigger 2cd round opponent between Orlando or Clevland, and it is HIGHLY unlikely that we will get Boston in the second round, so I guess it kinda doesn’t matter. Although, having home court in the second round will be nice. I think from the “NBA PERSPECTIVE”(read conspiracy) we probably stand a better chance against Orlando than Clevland (you KNOW they want Lebron in the finals).
Ultimately, I want a hard fought second round series 6-7 games and/or an ECF appearance to be satisfied with the season.

doc

March 4th, 2010
9:56 am

i think before the season i guessed at 52 to 54, still feel that is reasonable. 52 is assured as i dont expect them to falter to less than 13 wins the rest of the season.less than 52 wins is a disappointment. if marvin steps up, zaza gets his mojo back and jamal comes to form again with al, josh and jj holding steady 55- 56 wins is plausible but a stretch to think they go 17 – 5 the rest of the way.

Sautee

March 4th, 2010
10:33 am

Maybe I’m confused again (as unlikely as THAT may seem) but I thought that the first THREE seeds went to the division champs. Can someone ’splain it to me?

I’m under the very possibly mistaken belief that we could have a better record than BOS but a lower seed since they win their division.

Enlighten me please.

vava74

March 4th, 2010
10:34 am

57 wins is the minimum to give us any hope of a #2 seed.

54 wins should be enough to give us a #3 seed, provided that Boston does not enter into a groove.

I think we will win 52/53 and end up #4 again basically because we will continue to struggle against playoff caliber teams and will probably lose all matches left against LA, Cle, Orl and SA plus a few of the “easy ones” both at home and away (2 or 3 let down losses) and we will probably have a hard time winning in Milwaukee.

So, I am foreseeing 13-9 or 14-8 to end the schedule.

Daniel

March 4th, 2010
10:36 am

Sautee- you are not crazy for being confused, because the rules have kinda changed, not even sure win. Heck, a couple of years ago they were talking about even reseeding from both East and West. But, I understand that the division winners do NOT automatically go 1,2,3, but if two teams ended with the same record and same tie breaks then the division winner would get the higher seed.

Daniel

March 4th, 2010
10:38 am

vava- What is up with you. You were one of the few people I remember predicting 56+ wins at the begining of the season. You need to shake off that Golden State loss and get your optimism back. I miss the old vava!

O'Brien

March 4th, 2010
10:46 am

Sautee,

The first 4 seeds are now based on your record. The NBA changed it because under the old format, you could have the teams with the 2 best records in the conference meet in the second round if one of them did not win their division. Under the new format, they wont meet until the conference finals.

Daniel, vava,

The Hawks have a chance to get some payback when we play Golden State Friday night. I hope we give them a beat down.

Although i can’t help but remember the first time the Knicks beat us at home, and I was looking forward to some payback their next visit. But of course, Knicks came into our house again and beat us again, so you never know.

vava74

March 4th, 2010
11:01 am

My optimism is gone – justifiably I must say.

Marvin’s resurgence has been against sub-par opposition and I feel a bit weary putting too much trust in him.

Hopefully Jamal has completely shaken off his bad shooting patch, but on the other hand I am seeing Al looking worn out and his production is dropping.

Daniel

March 4th, 2010
11:07 am

Say it ain’t so Vava, the team is sitting right where we all thought they would be. They have a strong chance to end up with the 3 seed, win 50 plus games, and make at least a strong second round showing, and with some luck or breaks who knows, maybe the ECF? I am not sure I am buying the ressurgence of Marvin just yet either, but Horford looks fine, Josh is on a tear, Bibby and Jamal have found their shot. Woodson has even used the bench more lately. C’mon man, is the weather bad over in Portugal or something (it has been miserable here).

vava74

March 4th, 2010
11:22 am

It has been the rainiest winter I can remember (I live in the sunniest part of Portugal – similar to California but not exactly LA weather) but that doesn’t influence the fact that if Woody’s coaching was a weather report the forecast would be snow storms all the way.

Have you noticed how he first accepts responsibility (Phoenix and Dallas games) and then shakes it off a day after??

Melvin

March 4th, 2010
11:29 am

Good blog as usual Ray. I will stick with my preseason prediction of 55wins although there may be a realistic chance of exceeding that. I think we have a good chance to surpass the Magic if we beat them, Cavs and (Lakers or Spurs) at home. Keep in mind that the Cavs game is late in the season and they may not play their starters heavy mins. Also, I think when we play Cavs in Cleveland; they may be without Big Z and Shaq. They are starting JJ Hickson at C, so I think that could be winnable game as well. I think they can go 16-6 or better (8 wins at home and 8 wins on the road).

Road games: Wizards (twice), Nets, Sixers, Pistons, Raps, Bucks (twice), Cavs, Bobcats.

Home games: Warriors, Pistons (twice), Pacers, Bobcats, Spurs, Magic, Lakers, Raps, Cavs.

O'Brien

March 4th, 2010
11:58 am

Yeah, a lot will depend on if teams are resting guys or not (and we might be resting guys too).

Marvin’s performance came against inferior teams (he was matched up a lot on 6′5″ Hinrich). But if he can do it consistently against inferior teams, I think it will carry over to the better teams.

vava,

Although I’m not a big Woody fan, I would think other coaches do that too. After the game, they will give one explanation, but after watching the tape over and over, and they have more time to think about it, they might have a different explanation.

doc

March 4th, 2010
12:20 pm

guys, marvin has to get his mojo somewhere, if it allows josh a night off against lesser teams itserves its purpose and maybe he will get his confidence back for bigger fish in the nba sea. ill take it as a positive.

Navigator

March 4th, 2010
12:30 pm

50 is a milestone for up and coming teams. You can’t be considered a threat to the top echelon teams until you get there. Now can they go to the next level with this team (1 or 2 in east), as that step is much higher than 50 wins.

Astro Joe

March 4th, 2010
2:09 pm

Wasn’t marvin matched up against either Iguodala or Thad young during most of the gmae? Not exactly a couple of chumps. I would also guess that each team’s 5th or 6th best player probably doesn’t perform as well against top competition as they do against lesser competiton. That is likely one of the reasons that player isn’t a top 3-4 player on their team. If Pietrus is the Magic’s 5th best player (as en example), will he play as well against the Celtics as he would against the Bobcats? I doubt it.

Astro Joe

March 4th, 2010
2:11 pm

Sautee, I think this is the web-link that MannyT provided a few weeks ago regarding playoff seeding.

http://www.nba.com/features/seedingprimer07.html

Sautee

March 4th, 2010
2:24 pm

Thanks to all for the “enlightenment”. Got it now.

jlewis

March 4th, 2010
2:33 pm

Excellent summary Ray, not that I doubted it, your basketball knowledge is top notch. You summed up why Marvin is important to the Hawks, it’s not always about how many points a guy scores.

Dee

March 4th, 2010
5:45 pm

I dont think anyone knows this but if the hawks dont win the division then they would get bumped down to the 4th seed. Even if they had a better record than the Celtics and they swept them, Boston would get the 3rd seed automatically because they would have won their division and the division winners always get the top 3 seeds.

niremetal

March 4th, 2010
5:56 pm

vava74

March 4th, 2010
6:04 pm

Astro,

Iggy is significantly smaller than Marvin and was mostly desinterested throughout the game.

Young is not known to be more than a barely adequate defender.

Big Ray

March 4th, 2010
6:28 pm

O’brien ,

I wouldn’t mind seeing the Bulls play the Celts in the first round either, but I don’t think they can go 7 games again. The main reason being, they have no clutch scorer alongside Rose anymore. No Ben Gordon to take some of the offensive responsibility. No John Salmons. Who else is going to pitch in and provide a 2nd or 3rd sure-fire offensive threat? Not belittling any of their other players, but none of them can “bring it” like that night after night, putting all the pressure on Rose. Bulls aren’t worried about the playoffs too much. They know they’ll make the cut, but their eyes are all for this summer. Still, they could be a tough out. It’s just that there is only one killer left on that team. Well, except for Flip Murray. But he’s never been a playoff bully. Can he step up and make it harder for the opposition? Maybe. Maybe not.

Vava ,

If Carmelo Anthony or Lebron James scored 21 points in a win against the Sixers, the headlines would read, “Carmelo/Lebron scores 21 to lead Nuggets/Cavs past Sixers.”

You wouldn’t hear anything about how Thad Young or Andre Iguodala can’t stop either of those guys. In fact, you’ll NEVER hear about it (except maybe a sentence or two in the main body of an article). Marvin led the team in scoring, tied for the lead in rebounding, and is a major reason why we won. Give the man his due. I realize your optimism is much more tempered, but should that affect your perspective ? Chin up, my man. If Marvin is on the rise, so is the team, all else being equal.

Big Ray

March 4th, 2010
6:29 pm

Jlewis ,

Appreciate the props, bro’.

Big Ray

March 4th, 2010
6:29 pm

GUYS ,

Enjoying your takes on how many wins we need. Good stuff!

KevinA

March 4th, 2010
7:32 pm

vava74

March 4th, 2010
11:01 am
My optimism is gone – justifiably I must say.
but on the other hand I am seeing Al looking worn out and his production is dropping.

Al has been playing to much. A couple of times Woody has played ZaZa with one of the starters. We need a steady diet of this in the first half and some in the second to keep our starters fresh. On the other hand I hate it when ZaZa and Joe Smith play together. It’s a management thing.

I wish we would give JJ a couple more minutes of rest in the 3rd qt to keep him fresh.

JSS

March 4th, 2010
8:11 pm

Big Ray…
I wanted to compliment you on the tenor of the blog… Finally, everyone seem to be getting their playoff intensity and enjoy the run!

Harpie

March 4th, 2010
8:42 pm

You guys are wasting your breath; the Hawks will do nothing in the playoffs because their coach IS AN IDIOT.

Sautee

March 4th, 2010
9:13 pm

Well, the name fits.

KevinA

March 4th, 2010
10:00 pm

It might be injury, age, desire, I don’t know. There just seems to be more parity in the NBA this year. Even the Lakers have a worse record and having to win more tight games. While they have stepped back a little the Hawks have improved a little. I do not know if we can win in the second round but if we play our best brand of basketball we have more than a punchers chance to beat anybody.

Melvin

March 4th, 2010
10:03 pm

I haven’t seen the ding in awhile, not to say that it wasnt useable…

Melvin

March 4th, 2010
10:05 pm

If the Celtics finish in the 4th spot then I think that could spell trouble for the Cavs. Especially if the Celtics regain their form from 2yrs ago. I think tehy have the talent/personnel to beat the Cavs. That should be an interesting series…

Melvin

March 4th, 2010
10:06 pm

Astro Joe

March 4th, 2010
10:38 pm

Melvin, so what you’re saying is thet the Celtics have a truckload of Geritol heading to their arena in time for the playoffs. Because I think that is the ONLY way they regain their 2008 form.

Melvin

March 4th, 2010
10:50 pm

What dumb coaching exhibit in the Heat/Lakers game by the Heat Coach. 11 sec left and you let Kobe walk the ball up the court and he dribble to the spot on the court uncontested and hit the game tying shot. With 3 secs left the Phil Jackson (10x champion) decide to run 2 and 3 defenders at DWade and force him to take and missed a difficult game winning shot. Just stupid coaching… SMH

Melvin

March 4th, 2010
10:51 pm

Astro,

Keep in mind, that there’s no back to back games in the playoffs. So instead of Geritol, those old guys will get time and ice for their Knees…

KevinA

March 4th, 2010
11:29 pm

Melvin – Nate was a good addition. Between him and Rondo they will be the x factor.

Big Ray

March 5th, 2010
12:34 am

JSS ,

Thanks, man!

LOL @ Astro Joe and the Geritol reference…

Big Ray

March 5th, 2010
12:35 am

Double LOL@ Sautee

Big Ray

March 5th, 2010
12:36 am

Nire brings back the “ding”…. :lol:

JustChillFans

March 5th, 2010
1:16 am

A few things that will make the hawks a better team.
1. Bibby has to be more vocal. (leader) it seems like he only takes wide open shots. I would love it he would do the “Billups pull up 3 in transition”. He seems to lack confidence in his shot.
2. Woody plays almost the same line-up in the 4qrt. I think he should leave the players who have been playing the best throughout the game. He relies on his starters way too much.
3. Joe has to get to the line more. He seems to be scared of contact. If he starts to pumpfake then lean he would get the calls instead of doing the floater and u might get a call or u mite not but if u draw the contact they have no choice but to call the foul.
4. Marvin needs to stay inside. He’s 6′9! There are not many 6′9 sf’s! But i forgot our coach is Woody and he wont exploit the mis-match more then a couple times.
5. Josh needs to give the ball to a ball-handler on a fast-break, im tired of seeing our most athletic player/best lost post scorer controlling the ball on the break. He should catch alleys and fill the lane.
6. Put some of your bench players on the court with your starters. Im tired of seeing the teague, crawford, mo, joe s, zaza lineup. Im just not comfortable with that lineup, but i forgot Woody’s the coach and he wont even use teague or joe s in the playoffs.
Geez this team could be 6-7 games better.

JustChillFans

March 5th, 2010
1:19 am

And the Celtics picked up a nice piece in Michael Finley. He is an upgrade over mo at the 3 imo. Why dont the hawks ever make moves for the playoffs. Why let teams ur keeping of your back get better when you could have picked him up. Big Ray, do you like mo or finley as the back-up sf?

JustChillFans

March 5th, 2010
1:22 am