Nets shredded, Celtics next

Nothing like a blowout in our favor to stave off the drama for a few seconds, eh?

Be honest. You know it was against the worst team in the league, but you’re still glad it was a blowout. Because anything less would be an indicator that the recent problems plaguing the Hawks had not gotten any better, and may have gotten worse. So a moment’s reprieve, and another win. Would it have felt better if it was a road win, rather than a home win? Maybe, maybe not. It wouldn’t have mattered to the New Jersey Nets, who are losing no matter where they play. But it might matter to the Hawks. Or, maybe they are just glad to get back to playing the way they should and winning. Of course, the true test of mettle awaits, and it comes in the form of the Boston Celtics. But more on that later. For now, let’s indulge in a diversion of sorts.

We’ve discussed (and will continue to do so) all the things that we see happening in games, and like the collection of broken records that we are, we keep posting them. Sometimes we manage an artful “theme and variations”, but in the end it can get repetitive. Of course, such is our nature as fans.

Fellow Hawks fan Astro Joe offers another take on things and writes the following:

How about a “why do you think?” blog?  Instead of asking folk to judge or criticize, challenge them to think of why?
 Why does Woody run the iso play in close/late games? Why does Josh whine to the refs? Why does Joe turn into a ball-hog at certain points in the game? I don’t know, maybe that’s just a silly game that I like to play… not always judging but trying to gain an understanding from the perspective of that player/coach. Of course, it starts with a base assumption… that no one intentionally wants to fail. 
Very insightful, I think. It IS so much easier to judge and criticize. Every fan is a critic if he/she has an opinion at all.  Attempting to gain understanding from a different perspective, now that’s a change of pace, and not a silly one. So let’s look at the three questions above. I’ll start off by giving some of my own guesses, but don’t be shy….add yours.
Why DOES Woody run ISO plays late in the game? 
A coach is going to do what he is most comfortable with. If he is most comfortable with putting the ball in the hands of his most potent offensive players, that is what he’s going to do. It doesn’t matter if it works all the time, it has to be something the coach thinks has the best chance of being successful. Perhaps Woody feels that sharing the ball and running different plays is all well and fine for the bulk of the game, but if the chips are down…he wants the ball in the hands of the guy or guys he is most comfortable doing that with. Not all teams have more than one guy who is equally as dangerous as another. For instance, the Spurs have Duncan, Ginobilli, and Parker. Any one of the three spells trouble for the opposition. Do the Hawks have a trio of assassins? Mike Woodson may not think so. He’ll want the ball in Joe Johnson’s hands. Failing that, maybe it will go into Crawford’s hands, or maybe Bibby’s. But nine times out of ten, it will be Joe.
Why does Josh whine to the refs?
This one isn’t going to be easy. Or maybe it is. Personally, I don’t know what Josh is thinking, but I do know that he has to stop thinking it sometime soon. If not, it’s going to be a fairly long rest of the season. Josh Smith has worked on his game, and he has improved. On top of that, he has matured and learned to make better decisions with the ball. Does Josh feel that he’s good enough to be entitled to some calls? It’s possible that he sees how the officials tend to treat Joe Johnson, and doesn’t want the same thing happening to him. I don’t think Josh realizes how he sounds or how he looks to the refs. He wants respect, but he doesn’t know how to get it from the officials. And it seems that nobody is lending a hand in this matter, though on occasion his teammates have realized that when he lets fouls and foul calls take him out of his game, the team suffers from it. On top of all of that, aggression is Josh’s game. Emotion is Josh’s game. Both have to be channeled in such a way as to benefit the individual and the team as a whole. Perhaps this is just another step in the maturity and growth of Josh Smith. He has improved on fundamentals and decisions. But he also has to learn other nuances of the game, such as player-to-referee “politicking.”
Why does Joe turn into a ball-hog at certain points in the game?
This can be a controversial subject. You have to ask yourself, is Joe really a ball hog? Is it ball-hogging when he takes the most shots in a game, or throughout a period of the game? Maybe that’s part of the normal game plan. As versatile as this team is, Joe Johnson is still the leading scorer and the best player on the team. Right? Heh heh heh. There will be some argument as to that particular statement alone….some will say that Joe is no longer the best player on the team. Others will say he is no longer the best player “head and shoulders above the rest.” But back to the original question: why does he do it? Again, this is very likely a staple of the normal routine. Give the ball to your leading/best scorer. What’s abnormal about that? The ensuing question is probably this: WHEN should Joe dominate the ball during a game? And this goes back to the first question. A coach is going to implement what he feels most comfortable with. Joe “hogging” the ball may be that comfort zone. Is it the best formula for success? Probably, if you have the right caliber of player, and use this tactic at the right time. Does this apply to the Hawks? Hmmmmm.
On the other side of the coin, what about Joe? Maybe Joe dominates the ball because he feels most responsible for providing offense. After all, that’s one of the biggest reasons he was brought here. Maybe he feels that if the ball is in his hands, he can get done what needs to be done, whether it’s scoring or making the play. Knowing when to do it and when NOT to do it is no cake walk. Look how long it took Kobe to figure it out. Lebron James still may not have the concept down pat.
Now it’s your turn. Why do YOU think those things happen? Don’t be shy. Blast away!
Boston just survived an overtime thriller against the Heat in Miami, and will be flying in to meet the Hawks in the Highlight Factory. After that is another flight to Toronto, where they’ll face the Raptors, before flying back home and playing the Hawks again. No doubt the Celtics plan on making this a 3-0 road trip, but the Hawks will have other plans.
Fresh off a demoralizing loss to the Heat in Miami, the Hawks mopped the floor with the New Jersey Nets and got back to doing mostly what tends to work best for them: playing defense, outrebounding the other team, and running the break when the opportunity presents itself. The starters got to sit down for a good chunk of the second half (mostly the 4th quarter) and the bench got some burn. Now both teams take Thursday to prepare for each other.
In the last game…
The Hawks beat Boston for the first time since game 6 of the first round in the ‘07-’08 Eastern Conference playoffs. Even better, they did it in Boston. How did the Hawks manage this? Well, with Boston shooting a little bit better percentage, Atlanta had to gain advantage elsewhere. And they did just that by hammering the Celtics on the boards with a 47-29 advantage, including 16 offensive rebounds. The loss put the Celtics in a moment of doubt, where they lost games to Indiana and Orlando (sandwiched around a win against Golden State) before they embarked on an 11 game winning streak and rose back to the top of the Eastern Conference heap.
The Celtics will be looking for some payback. The best way to get revenge against a team who has beaten you on your own court? Beat them on theirs.
Keys to The Game
The Celtics are absolutely bent on being the best defensive team in the NBA. Few things demoralize a defense more than a three point play, but one of them is an offensive rebound. The Hawks will have to pound the Celtics on the boards as much as they can, and on the offensive end especially. Atlanta will want to limit fast break opportunities for Boston and get second chances when bad shots are taken offensive rebounds will do that. Defensively, it should be a titanic struggle. Both teams are/can be good at contesting shots, denying passing lanes, and creating loose ball situations. The Celtics are far more consistent where this is concerned so again….rebounding will be key.
Jamal Crawford is a weapon to be used against the best of teams. In the last contest, he came off the bench to score 18 points, which was just 6 points shy of what the entire Boston bench managed to muster. Crawford provides what he was brought here to provide: Joe Johnson level scoring, when Joe Johnson is not in the game….at a quicker pace and in less time, at that.
Rajon Rondo is the new Celtics Linchpin. Oh, Garnett is the heart of the defense and Paul Pierce is the team leader. But this year, Rondo seems more and more to be the one who puts the Celtics over the top when all else is equal. Don’t be fooled by his mere 13.2 points per game. Rondo can and will explode for 20+ points at any given time. More importantly, he’s shooting over 52% from the field. Oh, and he’s averaging just a hair under 10 assists per game, and 4 rebounds per game. This from a point guard?
The Flip Side
Okay, we all know that Josh and Al are big keys to this game. Who is the X-factor in this matchup, though? Who puts Atlanta over the top. Crawford? Or somebody else?
Hate is Good
In this case, it really is. No really, just hear me out: The Hawks hate to lose to the Celtics. And I think that’s why they play them so hard. I don’t know whether it was because THIS Hawks team cut their playoff teeth with the Celtics or if it was the fact that after taking them 7 games in the first round of the playoffs, nobody even remotely involved with the Celtics (except Doc Rivers) would give the Hawks the credit or respect for being anything remotely close to a rival. While Boston is clearly “Big Three” and Atlanta is still “best of the rest”, it seems that the Hawks come ready to do battle at the very mention of the Green Machine. Maybe if the Hawks hated to lose to other teams as much as they seem to hate losing to the Celtics, they’d win even more games. I don’t know. What do you think?

179 comments Add your comment


January 8th, 2010
10:13 pm

We need Bibby back in. I don’t really care who goes to the bench, but the offense is haphazard right now.

Dawgs Man

January 8th, 2010
10:16 pm

The usual 4th quarter choke is rounding out nicely. I hope not, but it looks like we will lose again.


January 8th, 2010
10:17 pm

ISO-Joe out of the timeout. Brilliant, Woody.


January 8th, 2010
10:18 pm

I think there’s a 5 year old in Uzbekistan that didn’t see that coming.

5 year old in Uzbekistan

January 8th, 2010
10:22 pm

No, I saw it too.


January 8th, 2010
10:26 pm

HORFORD with MAN’s rebound!!


January 8th, 2010
10:28 pm

That was yard!!!!!


January 8th, 2010
10:29 pm

Our starting backcourt has 15 assists to 6 turnovers. For the team as a whole, it’s 25 and 15. That’s huge against a defensive team as good as Boston’s.

Big Ray

January 8th, 2010
10:30 pm

Tell you what. ISO is ISO, but ISO Jamal is waaaaaaaayyyy faster than ISO JJ.

Jamal carries the torch this time around. I’m happy. Give me this win, and make it two over the Celts for the season. Yessir, I’ll take it. No hate from me for anyone on this Hawks squad, coach and all.

And don’t try cheapening it by mentioning Garnett’s absence. We beat them in Boston, now we beat them at home.

Uhhhh…assuming the refs don’t find a way to give it to them in the waning seconds, that is….


January 8th, 2010
10:33 pm

Big win! Hopefully this will give them a much-needed confidence for the rest of this tough month.

Big Ray

January 8th, 2010
10:37 pm

Too funny.

We beat the Celtics for the second time this season and the ESPN crew just can’t take it.

My favorite is Byron Scott saying “Yeah, they won, but I’m just not convinced.”

Hey Byron, didn’t you just get fired from coaching? Didn’t you have one of the game’s best players? STFU.

Big Ray

January 8th, 2010
10:38 pm

Yep. Orlando awaits, and that is a different matchup altogether.


January 8th, 2010
10:40 pm


He also said “Let them beat them when they have KG.”

Uh…Byron? They did. Less than 2 months ago. In Boston.

Big Ray

January 8th, 2010
10:48 pm

Tell it, Nire !


January 8th, 2010
10:52 pm

I guess I should give him a break, though. He probably didn’t notice since he was about to get his azz fired at the time.

Big Ray

January 8th, 2010
10:53 pm

You know, JJ didn’t shoot well, but on nights that he’s going 5-16, I love it when he picks up 8 assists, like he did tonight.

It’s the nights that he goes 5-16 and gets 2-4 assists that bother me.

But that wasn’t tonight. He did the deal tonight.


January 8th, 2010
11:46 pm

Not to mention that he played outstanding defense on the other end, especially down the stretch. There’s no stat that shows how many times JJ forced Shuttlesworth or The False into a bad shot.

The Hawks defense tonight was truly a sight to behold. They had a couple brain farts in the early second and late third quarters, but otherwise made the Celtics take tough shots on nearly every possession for the entire game.

Shyt Talking

January 9th, 2010
7:23 am

“Perkins is one of the toughest matchups for Al Horford. He’s just quick enough to stay with him on some plays, but more importantly, he’s got about 35-40 pounds on Al. Case in point? Al has played all first quarter and still doesn’t have a rebound.”

I support Jerry’s Kids too!

The switching actually benefits Horford because he is unable to MAN-UP against centers who are on teams that play at a higher level. He is adequate against teams that use powerforwards as center while they search for a legitimate center. He puts up decent numbers against them but they also put up decent number against him.

Zaza is a much better defensive center than the pf horford and is a more physical defender. Zaza doesnt have Al’s athleticism.

The switching defensed is design to compensate for the defensive liabilities , aka: Horford and Bibby. Horford is a weak defender and there is no excuse that will make him a better one.

Im glad Zaza got significant playing time during the stretch that determined whose game it was last night.

Shyt Talker

January 9th, 2010
7:59 am

Astro Joe, scoring 1 basket more a game is not a significant improvement. Sorry to disagree with you.

Non Mental, why do the Horford apologists try to associate Josh when trying to defend criticism of Horford? Josh doesn’t need Al to defend his play, but Al certainly needs Josh, both figuratively and literally. (Figuratively in that you can’t make a defense of Al without stealing from Josh’s stellar play)
Josh is a man, and handles his business on any level of physical play against the very best at the power forward spot. He stands on his own merit.
Al is weak defender in the post and is only adequate as an offensive tool. He cannot create his own shot and must be setup and freed from his man with a clear path to the basket in order to score and often pad is marginal stats with garbage put backs from missed rebounds. No, Non Mental I don’t hate Al, he’s a nice fellow and a good power forward, but a less than decent center. We would be better served with a more physical presence at the 5.
What is blind and hateful is your ignorant suppositions that stats showing Atlanta is amongst the lowest teams for defending points in the paint is not reflective of the hawks being a jelly filled donut at the 5 spot and any one addressing that is hating.
Do the research fart breath. Facts don’t hate, but your ignorance hates truth.
P, fccking S, If Rivers is a better coach than Woodson then why does Woodson always seem to get that AZZ with less talent when they face each other?………

Boston, Pleeeeeze, don’t come to the cage without KG and expect to win. It May not happen with KG but it definitely aint happening without him!

Shyt Talker

January 9th, 2010
8:02 am

*often pad his marginal stats with garbage put backs from missed-shot rebounds.

Big Ray

January 9th, 2010
11:25 am

Shyt Talking ,

Could you PLEASE stop posting with those kinds of names? I don’t have an issue with your opinion (though I think the Boston Celtics would certainly disagree with it), but the names man…come on, now. It’s not like people don’t know who you are. Just like your friend Ken Strickland, you say the same stuff over and over, and about the same person. Just don’t use that kind of name. I’m surprised the filter didn’t catch it, to be honest, and I’m not the one who controls that thing.


January 9th, 2010
11:32 am

didnt seem like sheed is a difference maker anymore based on his effort last night or did i miss something? i know he and doc argued for a long time on a call together trying to convince them there was a foul on rondo, but that was about it for his imprint on the game.


January 9th, 2010
12:06 pm

What Ray a dose of non truth in the morning? something to chuckle about on a cold morning


January 9th, 2010
12:16 pm

“I thought the Hawks were more physical than us, and they really attacked us, especially in the second half,” he said. “Right now, you have to give it to them. They are the better team.”

Even the celtics coach knows the hawks have what it takes, even down low in the paint. If al and josh are garbage guys then how does a top team like the celtics explain giving up sixteen points and ten rebounds to al, as well as fifteen points and eleven rebounds to josh? The explanation is simple, both guys are for real. When they bring it they are hard to stop. It does not matter if they are both forwards as long as they are beating the competition. Kendrick perkins is considered a real tough center but he gave up a lot to al horford and josh smith in the second half when they beat up on him in the third quarter. Those guys have what it takes as long as they bring it. That is the only explanation for having beaten the top team in the east twice already.

Big Ray

January 9th, 2010
12:21 pm

Heh. Yeah, Doc , apparently it’s never too early…

Come on AJC

January 9th, 2010
12:30 pm


“What is blind and hateful is your ignorant suppositions that stats showing Atlanta is amongst the lowest teams for defending points in the paint is not reflective of the hawks being a jelly filled donut at the 5 spot and any one addressing that is hating.
Do the research fart breath. Facts don’t hate, but your ignorance hates truth.”

Big Ray

January 9th, 2010
9:45 pm

Man, what is with us and the Magic? Good God that was awful!


January 9th, 2010
10:05 pm

Woody has not realized yet that the switching defense does not work against teams that shoot well from 3pt land.

We lost in the pre-season against ORL and twice already in the REG with them shooting lights out from 3pt land.

The same happened in our loss against CHA with Bell, against the Knicks (twice) with various players shooting well from 3pt land (Galinari, Harrington and Nate in particular), against DEN with JR Smith also shooting the lights out.

This was visible with both the first team and the subs in garbage time.

The switching defense also works really bad against quick/explosive point guards.

An interesting stat is that JTO had the best +- stat of the team.

Big Ray

January 10th, 2010
2:47 pm

New blog up.