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		<title>By: dunkem</title>
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		<dc:creator>dunkem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dwight howard proved my point again. we need a banger inside.joe johnson keep&#039;s throwing up those prayer&#039;s and when some get answered, people think he&#039;s a star..bad new&#039;s people, he&#039;s just a ball hogg that shoot&#039;s way to much. pass the ball around and keep it out of jj&#039;s hand&#039;s...........go hawk&#039;s and trade jj for some old ball&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dwight howard proved my point again. we need a banger inside.joe johnson keep&#8217;s throwing up those prayer&#8217;s and when some get answered, people think he&#8217;s a star..bad new&#8217;s people, he&#8217;s just a ball hogg that shoot&#8217;s way to much. pass the ball around and keep it out of jj&#8217;s hand&#8217;s&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..go hawk&#8217;s and trade jj for some old ball&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: Truth-Serum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth-Serum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt this was a good exchange and thought I might share it here. Pardon the drive by blog. 

Thanks for the shout Ray! Happy Thanksgiving!!


drmaryb

November 25th, 2009
5:39 pm
Yo Bibby is a game changer..

Before he arrived this team was strictly a one-on-one group of individuals. JJ pounding the ball at the 3-Line and turning it over when the game was on the line. Much like all-thumbs Jason “Jet-Terry” used to do..dribble like hell and turn it over!

Bibby settled this team down, and got these kids organized..He even made Mike Woodson turn into a real coach. If not for Bibby, Woody would have been long gone. Having said that, this is Bibby’s TEAM!

Now as far as Teague goes…he’s really fast, but he has no rythm-sp and never waits for the screener. He has to learn how to slow down his game and set his team-mates up..Get them the ball where they can prosper, i.e where they like it! That takes time and chemistry to learn..You should never experiment while winning at a torrid pace – like the Hawks are doing right now!

Be patient, just like we were with Josh &amp; Al &amp; Marvin. Teague is no CP3..Same Alma-Mater, but totally different mental acuity! CP3 is a grown as man who never wore pull-ups! Teague is the best point guard we have drafted in a while, but he needs to sit and learn a little more, watch Bibby and learn. Give him his spots when we get to 25-30 games! Let him practice with the 1st unit in the practice gym and gradually give him the reigns over time. Teague needs to learn his gears.. 100mph is not playing the – point…he needs to develop the skill of seeing the play BEFORE it happens! That’s called maturity and skills! That’s when the GAME slloowws down for you. Patience is a Virtue!

Start Mo at the point or let JJ run the point until Bibby is back! Keep bringing Crawford of the Bench for now! That’s my prescription!


wordsmithtom
November 25th, 2009
6:03 pm

Ditto DrMary and Truth-Serum on Teague.

Lots of talent…not NBA ready. So, as coach said, he’ll sit and watch and learn. Long season: he’ll get plenty of minutes against weaker teams mid season, especially if there is an injury problem. Even then, Hawks can sign someone; they’ve 2 roster spots open.

Let Mo and Crawdaddy do the heavy lifting and let Teague sit.

He was a sophomore and he wasn’t ready. He can be ready in a couple years if he keeps his head up and keeps watching these top tier guys ahead of him.

Patience grasshopper. But, sophomores rarely have patience…..LOL






Truth-Serum
November 25th, 2009
7:22 pm

Wordsmithtom,

 I agree with DrMary’s conclusion, but not necessarily her editorial. Moe can play a little bit of the two but in not a great ball handler, I’d rather have Marvin play the two and let JJ and Crawford swing in and out to the point. Between Marvin and Mo, Marv is a better ball handler. Buy the same token mo, can play the 3 or a set up 2 but not a motion 2. Either way you I and DrMary are not far apart on this rotation. I suspect well get a bit of variety encompassing a triad of back court offenses and options.

Where DrMary’s view and mine differ is this being Bibby’s team. Granted Bibby is the lug nuts that allow the wheel to roll Josh is the tires and JJ is the engine. It’s JJ’s Team. He was brought here for the purpose of building a team with him as the focal point and anchor of the offense. He is still our ranking all star albeit a second tier one. He has given us an anchor and consistency. He’s the captain. It’s his team. He and Bibby and josh and Al, all get along about as well as million dollar athletes can.

Further, 99.9 percent of all coaches survive their careers based on the successes of their star players. Woodson is no different.
Phil Jackson rode Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. Chuck Daly rode Isaiah Thomas; Pat Riley rode Magic Johnson, Bill Fitch, Larry Bird.

Many star coaches retire after their legendary players do. Some get tapped and tagged as coaches who can handle championship teams. Whether they have a special talent for championships may or may not be true. What is true is that they were successful in guiding a team that had a superstar to championships.
Some coaches get tagged as transitional coaches, which is to imply that this type of coach works best when you are not rebuilding but shifting a nucleus into a new base.
Other coaches are known as rebuilding coaches, who have the foresight and patience to teach to and develop the game with rookies and inexperienced players.

Coach Woodson has definitely proven that he has this capacity. Over the past five years he has demonstrated that he can take a team from rebuilding to intermediate. Over the past two years he has shown he coach a team from intermediate to seeded favorites. My best guess is that he has there by earn a chance to compete at the higher levels over the next 3, (yes I said three), to see if in fact he can grab a championship. He’s earned that right.
Like many I agree that Woodson is evolving like his players are. He has a very strong back ground in who he inherited the game from, (see bobby knight and Larry brown). I can see he has a passion for the game and I suspect that when his career is over you may have witness the rise of a great coach. The game has been entrusted to a hard working a responsible man that has done this city proud.
I think it may have been Samuel who talked about the time issue and the changing of coaches and how the old can lose touch with a new generation. Woodson is spot on for this current generation. He reads them and they him. Between the coaches and players on the hawks there is very good chemistry. This team is destined to succeed. All of these players need each other. It’s a great fit, great chemistry. Only thing I’d change would be an addition not a subtraction. I’d like to have a Robert Parrish, Dekembe Mutombo type center for this team and start racking some championships!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt this was a good exchange and thought I might share it here. Pardon the drive by blog. </p>
<p>Thanks for the shout Ray! Happy Thanksgiving!!</p>
<p>drmaryb</p>
<p>November 25th, 2009<br />
5:39 pm<br />
Yo Bibby is a game changer..</p>
<p>Before he arrived this team was strictly a one-on-one group of individuals. JJ pounding the ball at the 3-Line and turning it over when the game was on the line. Much like all-thumbs Jason “Jet-Terry” used to do..dribble like hell and turn it over!</p>
<p>Bibby settled this team down, and got these kids organized..He even made Mike Woodson turn into a real coach. If not for Bibby, Woody would have been long gone. Having said that, this is Bibby’s TEAM!</p>
<p>Now as far as Teague goes…he’s really fast, but he has no rythm-sp and never waits for the screener. He has to learn how to slow down his game and set his team-mates up..Get them the ball where they can prosper, i.e where they like it! That takes time and chemistry to learn..You should never experiment while winning at a torrid pace – like the Hawks are doing right now!</p>
<p>Be patient, just like we were with Josh &amp; Al &amp; Marvin. Teague is no CP3..Same Alma-Mater, but totally different mental acuity! CP3 is a grown as man who never wore pull-ups! Teague is the best point guard we have drafted in a while, but he needs to sit and learn a little more, watch Bibby and learn. Give him his spots when we get to 25-30 games! Let him practice with the 1st unit in the practice gym and gradually give him the reigns over time. Teague needs to learn his gears.. 100mph is not playing the – point…he needs to develop the skill of seeing the play BEFORE it happens! That’s called maturity and skills! That’s when the GAME slloowws down for you. Patience is a Virtue!</p>
<p>Start Mo at the point or let JJ run the point until Bibby is back! Keep bringing Crawford of the Bench for now! That’s my prescription!</p>
<p>wordsmithtom<br />
November 25th, 2009<br />
6:03 pm</p>
<p>Ditto DrMary and Truth-Serum on Teague.</p>
<p>Lots of talent…not NBA ready. So, as coach said, he’ll sit and watch and learn. Long season: he’ll get plenty of minutes against weaker teams mid season, especially if there is an injury problem. Even then, Hawks can sign someone; they’ve 2 roster spots open.</p>
<p>Let Mo and Crawdaddy do the heavy lifting and let Teague sit.</p>
<p>He was a sophomore and he wasn’t ready. He can be ready in a couple years if he keeps his head up and keeps watching these top tier guys ahead of him.</p>
<p>Patience grasshopper. But, sophomores rarely have patience…..LOL</p>
<p>Truth-Serum<br />
November 25th, 2009<br />
7:22 pm</p>
<p>Wordsmithtom,</p>
<p> I agree with DrMary’s conclusion, but not necessarily her editorial. Moe can play a little bit of the two but in not a great ball handler, I’d rather have Marvin play the two and let JJ and Crawford swing in and out to the point. Between Marvin and Mo, Marv is a better ball handler. Buy the same token mo, can play the 3 or a set up 2 but not a motion 2. Either way you I and DrMary are not far apart on this rotation. I suspect well get a bit of variety encompassing a triad of back court offenses and options.</p>
<p>Where DrMary’s view and mine differ is this being Bibby’s team. Granted Bibby is the lug nuts that allow the wheel to roll Josh is the tires and JJ is the engine. It’s JJ’s Team. He was brought here for the purpose of building a team with him as the focal point and anchor of the offense. He is still our ranking all star albeit a second tier one. He has given us an anchor and consistency. He’s the captain. It’s his team. He and Bibby and josh and Al, all get along about as well as million dollar athletes can.</p>
<p>Further, 99.9 percent of all coaches survive their careers based on the successes of their star players. Woodson is no different.<br />
Phil Jackson rode Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. Chuck Daly rode Isaiah Thomas; Pat Riley rode Magic Johnson, Bill Fitch, Larry Bird.</p>
<p>Many star coaches retire after their legendary players do. Some get tapped and tagged as coaches who can handle championship teams. Whether they have a special talent for championships may or may not be true. What is true is that they were successful in guiding a team that had a superstar to championships.<br />
Some coaches get tagged as transitional coaches, which is to imply that this type of coach works best when you are not rebuilding but shifting a nucleus into a new base.<br />
Other coaches are known as rebuilding coaches, who have the foresight and patience to teach to and develop the game with rookies and inexperienced players.</p>
<p>Coach Woodson has definitely proven that he has this capacity. Over the past five years he has demonstrated that he can take a team from rebuilding to intermediate. Over the past two years he has shown he coach a team from intermediate to seeded favorites. My best guess is that he has there by earn a chance to compete at the higher levels over the next 3, (yes I said three), to see if in fact he can grab a championship. He’s earned that right.<br />
Like many I agree that Woodson is evolving like his players are. He has a very strong back ground in who he inherited the game from, (see bobby knight and Larry brown). I can see he has a passion for the game and I suspect that when his career is over you may have witness the rise of a great coach. The game has been entrusted to a hard working a responsible man that has done this city proud.<br />
I think it may have been Samuel who talked about the time issue and the changing of coaches and how the old can lose touch with a new generation. Woodson is spot on for this current generation. He reads them and they him. Between the coaches and players on the hawks there is very good chemistry. This team is destined to succeed. All of these players need each other. It’s a great fit, great chemistry. Only thing I’d change would be an addition not a subtraction. I’d like to have a Robert Parrish, Dekembe Mutombo type center for this team and start racking some championships!</p>
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		<title>By: Big Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; Astrooooo Jooooooooe! &lt;/strong&gt; 


Hot dang, is that a &lt;strong&gt; Truth Serum &lt;/strong&gt; I see? :)



New blog up guys and gals.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> Astrooooo Jooooooooe! </strong> </p>
<p>Hot dang, is that a <strong> Truth Serum </strong> I see? <img src='http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-hawks-blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>New blog up guys and gals&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: niremetal</title>
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		<dc:creator>niremetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ!  Good to see your face again, as it were...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ!  Good to see your face again, as it were&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Truth-Serum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth-Serum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to watch the Hawks rise and play at the highest level over the next three years. I would not change much but lets leave this team intact and see what happens over then next three years. Lets see what we can zero in on. 1,2,3 are in range. 

Good posts Ray. Just keeping my word and doing a drive by blog! West coast style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to watch the Hawks rise and play at the highest level over the next three years. I would not change much but lets leave this team intact and see what happens over then next three years. Lets see what we can zero in on. 1,2,3 are in range. </p>
<p>Good posts Ray. Just keeping my word and doing a drive by blog! West coast style.</p>
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		<title>By: Astro Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astro Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy Thanksgiving to all! I hope to be back on the regular before Christmas. I’ve been through a tough stretch but “morning by morning new mercies I see”. 

Woody should be giving Teague, Joe Smith and Mo more playing time. Marvin and Josh still can’t seem to have great games at the same time. Josh has been remarkable. Crawford far better than I thought. And Woody has grown as a game-manager (which is not to say that he is perfect). Glad to see the blog is thriving. Y’all hold it down.. GO HAWKS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Thanksgiving to all! I hope to be back on the regular before Christmas. I’ve been through a tough stretch but “morning by morning new mercies I see”. </p>
<p>Woody should be giving Teague, Joe Smith and Mo more playing time. Marvin and Josh still can’t seem to have great games at the same time. Josh has been remarkable. Crawford far better than I thought. And Woody has grown as a game-manager (which is not to say that he is perfect). Glad to see the blog is thriving. Y’all hold it down.. GO HAWKS!</p>
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		<title>By: up and onward</title>
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		<dc:creator>up and onward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the latest on this subject:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8GuH9oDHrU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the latest on this subject:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8GuH9oDHrU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8GuH9oDHrU</a></p>
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		<title>By: Big Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:lol:  Good one, &lt;strong&gt; Nire &lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-hawks-blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   Good one, <strong> Nire </strong></p>
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		<title>By: niremetal</title>
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		<dc:creator>niremetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

You suck.

Sorry, just had to break up the goodwill that was building up around here :) .  I&#039;m just messin&#039; with ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>You suck.</p>
<p>Sorry, just had to break up the goodwill that was building up around here <img src='http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-hawks-blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  .  I&#8217;m just messin&#8217; with ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sautee, Lacsho



Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sautee, Lacsho</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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