Opening “The Factory” against the Pacers

 

Well, here we go at last! The regular season begins for the Atlanta Hawks in two days, and it starts with two games at home against Eastern Conference opponents, followed by a 4 game swing out west. Hawks fans couldn’t ask for a much better way to begin the season than to have the first two games at home. Well, a victory would sure be nice. Two victories would be even better. In fact, that should be the expectation, particularly because the Hawks played pretty well at home last season, and certainly finished the season better than the two teams they’ll face first this season.

Up first is the Indiana Pacers, a team that is most likely doomed to struggle this season, particularly without forward Mike Dunleavy. Danny Granger will get his points and Troy Murphy will get his rebounds. Jeff Foster will be tough and solid. Roy Hibbert showed himself to be serviceable in somewhat limited minutes last season. TJ Ford is quick and can score a little on his own. Beyond that, the Pacers are not a major threat, though taking any NBA team lightly can prove to be a mistake. Anyway, here’s a breakdown of what the Pacers bring, versus what the Hawks bring.

DEFENDING THE FACTORY

The Hawks will make more headway this season in much the same fashion as they did last season: by defending well in games. More to the point, defending home base. Defending homecourt isn’t just about winning games. It’s also about winning the fans over. Nothing makes homecourt the bane of visiting teams more than a fan base that is fully, enthusiastically, and maniacally behind their team. And to get your fans fully behind you…well, winning at home always helps. Especially on opening night!

Having said that, let’s review what the Pacers have to offer on offense, and what the Hawks should be concentrating on:

For Indiana, it’s the Danny Granger show. He gets the most shots, as most of the plays run around him. Granger is going to get his points most nights, but he isn’t the difference between winning and losing unless it’s a close score at the end of a game. The guys who can make the biggest difference are Ford, Murphy, and possibly Luther Head.

Troy Murphy doesn’t do much damage on the block, but he can and will stretch the defense with his outside shooting touch. TJ Ford’s greatest threat is penetration. Never known for his outside shooting, Ford has gotten better in recent years, and is one of the game’s fastest players. He can get less creative teammates involved with dump-off passes once he gets into the lane, and is just as adept at faking the pass and getting the layup, as 15 points per game on 45% shooting showed last season. Make him beat you from the outside, and he’s not nearly as effective.

Roy Hibbert can’t be ignored, as he’s shown himself to be better than many thought he would be. But he still plays limited minutes, producing numbers that are decent, but not overwhelming. As long as he’s not given free rein in the post, he won’t hurt you too much. On the other hand, if he has improved this facet of his game…look out. Speaking of free rein, Luther Head is not somebody you leave open. Head doesn’t shoot a high percentage from the field overall, but he the fact that he’s sitting on 39% career shooting from 3-point range would suggest that you don’t want to let him get too many good looks at the basket.

To be successful on defense, the Hawks need to improve on what plagued them last year: hound the ball and prevent easy penetration. Close out on shooters and bottle up the passing lanes.

BATTLE OF THE BOARDS

This is actually a problem that the Hawks have been having, and it needs to stop. Winning the contest on the boards helps you win the game, pure and simple. Troy Murphy is a near-prolific rebounder, but he’s not alone. Hibbert can grab a few, and if he has worked on his game at all, this is probably one area that will show. Of course, being 7′2″ and 280 lbs never hurts. Jeff Foster is as solid as they come off the bench, and between ex-Hawk Solomon Jones and Josh McRoberts, I expect there to be some hustle from these guys. The Hawks have to counter that by out-hustling. Horford established himself as a solid rebounder when he came into the league, but he’ll need help from his cohorts. Josh Smith is capable of getting 11 or 12 rebounds in any given game, but the effort and committment isn’t always there. It’ll have to be, particularly against the Pacers, who won’t have a whole lot else going for them. But it’s not just Josh. Marvin Williams has to get in on the act as well. Joe Johnson just about always helps out in this category, but if you’re depending on your star shooting guard for a meaningful rebound contribution, then you’re in trouble.

The big difference may come down to the bench. Zaza, Joe Smith, and whomever else Woodson decides to give playing time to in the frontcourt will have to man up to the task. If nothing else, bench players need to be able to rebound well. A rebound is either gaining possession of the ball, or keeping it.

OFFENSIVELY THINKING

Where the Hawks’ offense is concerned, it should be “pick your poison” for the Pacers, if all is going according to plan (uh, assuming the plan calls for something more productive and efficient than…well, you know, that same old play…). Despite “that play” being what it is, nobody on this Pacers team can stop Joe, who is of course option numero uno. Bibby is usually good for double figure points if you get him a few good looks at the basket. Foster and Hibbert can make things difficult for Horford, but that can be counteracted with Horford’s superior quickness and his ability to step out and hit the 15-17 foot jumper. In the meantime, playing a little high-low (with a lob or two passed back and forth) with Josh Smith should draw the attention away from the backcourt, and anything  that involves a fast break will be more than Indiana can handle. Marvin will respond according to the number of touches he gets. If he gets 7-9 shot attempts, one of them will be a three, and he may even go to the line once or twice, netting 13 or 14 points. If he gets more, look for something closer to 2o, or above it. Let’s see what the game plan calls for.

BENCH MOB

If I’m the Pacers, I’m hating the idea of facing the Hawks bench as much as I am the starters. Maybe even more. Why? Well, who do they have that’s going to want to, much less be able to, keep up with Teague and Crawford? Teague will go to the rim every single chance he gets, and will get to the line in the process. Oh, I almost forgot….he can pass a little bit too. Speaking of which, most teams will be keying on Jamal Crawford and expecting him to shoot, but he will probably do more damage by passing to Mo Evans, Zaza Pachulia, and Joe Smith. Gone are the days of sending out a lone hitman from the bench, accompanied by either tired starters or reserves without real assignments. This means more focus, hustle, defense, and rebounding from the reserve unit. Good for Hawks. Bad for Pacers. Look for the bench to absolutely hammer the Pacer reserves and starters alike.

So what do you think the Hawks need to do to win this game? Will we see a different offense than in years past? Who is going to be at the game on opening night?!

113 comments Add your comment

Mychelfromatl

October 26th, 2009
12:53 pm

First????

I’ll read when I get back from lunch.

Daniel

October 26th, 2009
12:54 pm

I will be at the game opening night! But, not for all 41 games, sigh.
Simple as it sounds the Hawks have to play with injury and intensity. The Pacers will fold if we smack ‘em early and often, but if we let that team hang around…. then their confidence will grow. The injuries to Horford and Bibby could be trouble, it will be very interesting to see the line-up if those two can’t go.
I agree our bench should hammer the Pacers.
I hope we get Marvin to the line closer to 5 times.
Oh, do I get to say…first?

Daniel

October 26th, 2009
12:55 pm

Dang, just missed again!!!!

Mychelfromatl

October 26th, 2009
12:55 pm

Now I have to admit that claiming “first” is pretty lame, but when I saw that I was actually first I couldn’t resist smh.

Kellie

October 26th, 2009
1:49 pm

Lets Go Hawks!! I can’t wait for our season to start!! My son and I will be in the arena to cheer you on!! We look forward to an exciting season and lots of fun in the highlight factory!! :)

Mychelfromatl

October 26th, 2009
2:12 pm

Okay now that I’m back from lunch I will proceed with my first ever “First!!” acceptance speech.

**I’ll like to thank my God first and foremost, my parents, and my job for providing me with this lovely Dell computer.**

Okay lol, all I know is the Hawks better not come with that same s*** they came with in Orlando or Mike Woodson will be gone by next week.

Daniel,
I agree also that it would be very intesting to see Crawford start at the point against the Pacers on Wednesday, matter-of-fact I’m hoping that Woodson gives Bibby an extra game’s rest so we can see this happen.

Mychelfromatl

October 26th, 2009
2:15 pm

*Interesting*
fourth-graph, 2nd-line, 9th-word.

niremetal

October 26th, 2009
2:59 pm

Daniel,

Only got a minute, but sorry you lost the tix bro – you’ll get em next time :)

niremetal

October 26th, 2009
3:00 pm

Mychel,

Uh…”have?”

Daniel

October 26th, 2009
3:10 pm

thanks Nire!

Mychelfromatl

October 26th, 2009
3:19 pm

niremetal,
Good catch(guess I’m typing too fast), Also I need to point out another one of my mistakes. Scratch “my” out of the sentence in my third-post, second-graph, first-sentence, fifth-word.

KevinA

October 26th, 2009
4:27 pm

If it happens I will be looking for the Solo-Joe Smith matchup. I hope JJ is ok, the last thing we need is early season problems with our best player.

Sautee

October 26th, 2009
4:44 pm

Ariose

October 26th, 2009
6:24 pm

BOMBARDMENT!!!!!! 8-O

Ariose

October 26th, 2009
6:31 pm

Blowout Not Blown Off: Micah Heart W/Player quotes (Teague…hint, hint)

http://www.hawksbasketblog.com/2009/10/26/blowout-not-blown-off/

niremetal

October 26th, 2009
7:04 pm

Ray,

Any addenda after Sekou’s posts re: our injury status? As always, I think it’s usually good for Woody to have to be FORCED to make adjustments. I just wish it didn’t take injuries to force Woody to make those adjustments…

Big Ray

October 26th, 2009
7:51 pm

Nire ,

Sick wife, two sick kids. The only thing I’ve been hearing of late is *sniff*, *hack*, *cough*, *wheeze*…..oh, and *moan/whine*….

I’ll let ya know if I hear anything else though. ;)

niremetal

October 26th, 2009
10:02 pm

I think I’ve found a GM who would make Isiah Thomas and Kevin McHale look like Donnie Walsh:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjTVKcnpmJ5Q_zRYtKDXxyy8vLYF?slug=ap-barkley-gm&prov=ap&type=lgns

NUNNA YO BIZNEZZ

October 26th, 2009
10:41 pm

we will see the same hawks after a 1-1 homestand..and a 1- or 0-4 west coast swing..

this team needs a center,and horford to play the pf..josh to leave the outside shots alone,and johnson to play above his all star role title..if we want to reach 40 games this year..

i hope this team,well,we make it this year,and our guys play like they’re drawn on paper..on paper,we should be a 50+win team..

but,its gonna be tuff..

Big Ray

October 27th, 2009
7:11 am

I don’t see how Barkley could be any worse than McHale or Thomas. At least Barkley was the one who has consistently said that Horford is a natural PF and would blossom at that position. In my mind, that alone puts him a step ahead….

niremetal

October 27th, 2009
7:17 am

I’m actually not as sure about that anymore. In the modern NBA, his combination of strength and athleticism might make him as natural at C as at PF. Bear in mind that there are fewer than ten 7-foot starters at C in the NBA now, and half a dozen starters who are 6′10 or shorter. I agree Al could do very well at PF, but I’m not sure he’d be that much better off there than at C anymore…

Ariose

October 27th, 2009
8:28 am

He’s no smaller than Alanzo Mourning……still aa PF though….But there arent than many “centers” who are better than him. But there are tons of PF’s better than him. Another guy on our squad may fit that bill.

Ariose

October 27th, 2009
8:37 am

Blake Griffin (Los Angeles Clippers) out up to 6 weeks with stress fracture: InsideHoops.com http://bit.ly/1ggVPK

Guess who won’t be watching the clippers game tonight ha!

Ariose

October 27th, 2009
9:25 am

Glenn “Big Baby” Davis Out indefently with thumb injury….

vava74

October 27th, 2009
9:46 am

Ariose,

Al is extremely balanced. People continuously rate players on account of their offensive prowess instead on account of their ability to contribute in ways that are not visible on a boxscore (they even disregard some contributions in which do show up on the boxscore like his BLKs).

He is already an extremely solid frontcourt player, regardless of the category (PF/C) you try to fit him in.

If Al was playing for a bottom dweller, regardless of his raw offensive tools, he would easily average 18/19ppg as second offensive option because he hustles like hell and has extended his range (this will allow him to keep his defenders in doubt if he will shoot or drive for his hook-shot, using his mobility).

As for players rated ahead of him: for instance Amar’e is a player I would not even touch with a 15 feet pole if I were a GM and the list goes on and on.

As for our match up with the Pacers, people talk and talk that JJ is not this and that, but he is one of the most complete players in the league.

For instance, I acknowledge that Danny Granger is developing into an offensive force, however, his overall contribution to the team is much less significant and positive than JJ’s.

In spite of this, it is likely that Granger will gain more and more appreciation than JJ during the next 2 or 3 seasons, even if his game continues to be one dimensional as it currently is.

Ariose

October 27th, 2009
10:01 am

Ariose

October 27th, 2009
10:03 am

Vava, I agree.

vava74

October 27th, 2009
10:38 am

Dang Ariose,

Don’t agree that plainly :-)

Introduce some element of controversy so I can completely foil my afternoon’s work by countering you!

Ariose

October 27th, 2009
11:24 am

Ha!

I’m with you Vava, I’ve talked plenty of times about Amare’s two microfracture knees and his bad eye. Especially when he was first on the trading block and some people around here wanted to trade Smoove in order to get him…..we’d be the worst defensive team in the league if we did that.

I was thinking about JJ last night and about what it would take for him to reach an eletie level. In my thought process eve Danny Granger came to my mind. He is just as athletic (or less) than JJ, but he does something that JJ refuses to do. HE ATTACKS FAST. What JJ doesn’t realize (or chooses to ignore) is that as soon as he catches the rock out on the peremeter; for that split second, HE IS OPEN! Granger realizes this and it’s the very reason why indiana gives us all kinds of trouble. Granger doesn’t TRY to draw the doubleteams to him (neither do most elite players) he is the agressor he gets his shot off AS SOON AS HE RECIVES THE PASS so there is nothing you can do about it. Why doesn’t JJ do this. The guy doesn’t need a whole bunch of time to get his shot off. He’s one of the best shooters in the league. He could literally make jumpshots with his eyes closed. So why does he take so darn long to attack? He waits entirely too long and let’s the defense suffocate him before he even thinks about making his move. Elite players make the defense adjust to them, not the other way around…

Which brings me to my second point. Elite players get to the Free Throw line. This one little fact is why some Hawks fans beleive that Josh Smith will eventually pass him as the superstar for our team. Because players like Kobe and Carmelo attack early and often, they catch the defens off guard and on their heels to the point where thay are so out of position that all they can do is foul.

Heres a perfect Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKx__9FdxOg

When Josh is confident in his Freethrow ability and is attacking like he shouls, he is a nightmare for opposing defenses. All they can do is foul. This is why he ALWAYS comes up big in big bames. His whole gmae is predicated arouund beating his opposing PF off the dribble with his SPEED and finishing at the rim. In the second round of the playoffs last season in game 4, Smoove had 26pts. They couldn’t stop him from getting to the rim so they had to foul. San antonio did this to us late last season, but Smoove was in his FT slump and only had 19pts or so…

If JJ does not make these changes, he will never be elite and he will never be able to take us to the promise land. If you think back to game 7 against the Heat last season, JJ let it fly as soon as he received the pass. HE has to play like that ALL THE TIME. It’s not woody, because Teague and Smoove have not problems with atttacking and getting to the FT line. It’s on him to recognize this and change his ways….Marvin has the same deficancies, he has a gift (drawing fouls by driving to the basket) but he’s not agressive and rarely uses it.

As far as Horford is concerned, I have absolutely nothing negative to say about the guy. He works hard, knows what needs to change about his game and he adapts to whatever situation you put him in. I agree, on a bottom feeder, or even with more touches, he can get you 20/10. Josh on the other hand could get us 20/8 right now if he steps up.

JJ and Mike Woodson are minimizing the amount of touches and potential points that the Hawks can get wtih their Old man style of offense (slow halfcourt grinder). You know we probably didn’t get ONE fastbreak point against Orlando the other night (the Magic may heve tried to do that on pourpose though) and JJ/Marvin didn’t help the situation with their poor decision making (takinf too long to initate th offense/attack and being agressive).

Woodson is not off the hook in all of this. I’m tired of everything being run through the backcourt, especially at the beginning of games (Bad decision making by Mike Bibby….our POINT GUARD) which usually always results in us falling behined by a ton of points early. All of that jumpshooting when the oppositions is fresh and not tired? Of course they are going to capitalize of all of the brick laying we do! The first quater should be frontcourt EXCLUSIVE. Pick N’ Roll basketabll and just attacking the rim in general.

Sorry for the rant lol.

Ariose

October 27th, 2009
12:20 pm

Blast

October 27th, 2009
1:59 pm

Preach it, Ariose!

October 27th. Here we go!!!!!!!!!!

niremetal

October 27th, 2009
3:31 pm

Ariose,

Sorry, but I don’t know what games you’re watching if you think JJ generally – or even often – holds onto the ball on the RARE occasions where he is open the moment he catches it. Sorry to go after you, but your statement is wrong in two ways: First in the idea that JJ usually is open when he catches the ball, and second in the idea that he usually doesn’t take the shot when he is open when he catches the ball.

JJ generally is covered like a glove the moment he catches the ball, if not trapped and double-teamed the moment he catches the ball. In fact, opposing defenders usually fight like hell to keep him from getting the ball in the first place. The whole “you’re open when you catch the ball” thing is true for 99.9% of the NBA. But it’s not true for a select handful, including JJ, Kobe, and really that’s about it. The game in Orlando last week is a perfect illustration of how closely teams guard JJ. This is all exacerbated by the fact that in our offense, he usually receives the ball 30+ feet from the basket. Sorry, but he rarely has an open look at the basket when he catches the ball. He just doesn’t.

And when JJ does get the ball without a defender right on him, he nearly always takes the shot – and I really can’t see how you missed that. He was a catch-and-shoot player a lot of the time in Phoenix, and that mentality has continued here even as he’s gotten more touches.

I honestly don’t know what you’re looking at if you think JJ is getting those open looks when he catches the ball. Because unless he’s receiving the ball 35 feet from the basket, he’s rarely open when he receives it.

niremetal

October 27th, 2009
3:38 pm

As for that video you posted of Kobe…come on, dude. We’ve seen JJ make those kinds of moves a gazillion times. He’s the master of cutting past a defender and hitting a floater or getting a basket off the glass a la Tony Parker. The difference is that unlike Kobe, he doesn’t “sell” the foul and the refs (as a result of that and as a result of whatever else goes into reffing) don’t call it. But that video is actually a terrible example because it’s the type of thing that JJ does do frequently – he just doesn’t get the call when he does.

The only “getting to the line” thing that JJ needs to work on is drawing contact when a defender leaves his feet. Kobe and Pierce like to lean into defenders and draw contact after they throw a pump fake. JJ follows the Ray Allen/Reggie Miller school of using that as an opportunity to create separation instead of drawing contact. One isn’t better or worse than the other, particularly since the ref often won’t give you the call and you’ll end up effectively creating turnovers by taking shots that look silly in an effort to create a shooting foul (a fact that Celtics fans b*tch at Pierce about incessantly).

Marcus

October 27th, 2009
4:05 pm

I expect arse whoopings every nite from the Hawks. See you in June!!!!

niremetal

October 27th, 2009
4:36 pm

PS – It’s worth noting that JJ does get to the line at about the same rate as Tony Parker, the stereotypical slashing scoring guard.

None of this is to say that we have an easy route to the title with JJ as our lead man. I agree with everyone who says that he’s better as a Pippen to someone’s Jordan (or a Parker/Manu next to a Duncan) or at least as a Pierce alongside a KG. But I don’t see how anyone can say with a straight face that our offense even remotely comes close to 1) maximizing the number of open looks he gets, 2) taking pressure off him, or 3) putting him in 1-on-1 situations. He usually gets the ball 35′ from the basket. When he gets it closer, he’s covered like Waffle House hashbrowns. No one moves off the ball. I have no doubt that he doesn’t always make the best of the situations in which he is handed the ball, but it’s amazing to me that people still continue to blame him for things that it’s the COACH’S job to fix.

I’ve said it a billion times – Kobe, MJ, Pierce, TParker, and all the other top-level scoring guards in recent history never had to worry about the crap that we are asking JJ to do. Well, I take that back – MJ DID have to worry about it early in his career, and the Pistons destroyed the Bulls every time until Phil came in and introduced the triangle. But unless you’re gonna blame MJ for the inevitable failures of Doug Collins’s easy-to-counter offensive scheme, you can’t blame JJ for the inevitable failure of Woody’s.

Sautee

October 27th, 2009
5:55 pm

Nire,

Which teams did you go with for your package? Just wondering.

Also, you said this:

“PS – It’s worth noting that JJ does get to the line at about the same rate as Tony Parker, the stereotypical slashing scoring guard.”

It’s ALSO worth noting that Joe took 157 more shots than TP while playing 8 more games. He SHOULD go to the line more. Period.

niremetal

October 27th, 2009
7:09 pm

Sautee,

True, JJ takes more shots – but that doesn’t undercut my general point is that there isn’t necessarily a correlation between being “aggressive” on offense and getting to the line.

Hawks, Blazers, Spurs, Jazz, Bulls are the first 5. I haven’t decided on the last 2 slots – I think I’ll keep them open for at least the first month of the year before deciding who’s worth them. The Suns and Nuggets are the early frontrunners, though. It would make no sense to do the Sixers, Nets, Knicks, or Wiz since those are all “in my market” as far as the NBA is concerned and thus nearly all their games will be blacked out. For similar reasons, picking any of the Big Three in the East or the Lakers in the West would make little sense because so many of their games will be nationally televised (which blacks them out on League Pass). Ah well.

Ariose

October 27th, 2009
7:23 pm

Thank You sautee, that’s my point exactly.

Nire, I tried finding a better video, but that was the best that I could dig up. But you know what i’m getting at. I’m not dogging the guy but you know what I mean.

I’ll be able to furter expand on my paint after the Indiana game.

Also nire, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD24ehcaqJQ

NO WAY does JJ take these 3pt attemps granger is taking….NO WAY. The guy will just stand there and find another option. Granger is locked and loaded. Look at his spot ups. As soon as he catches it is out of his hands.

If you don’t beleive me now, you will after Wednedays game (thats IF Granger plays…)

OCCASIONALY JJ will let it FLY like this, but Grager aLWAYS plays like this….thats why he averages 25ppg…..that and he gets to the line. JJ han’d played like that since he first got here. Yes I agree, it’s coaching……As evediced by almost everyone at one point calling for Woodsons head.

Sautee

October 27th, 2009
8:07 pm

Nire,

As far as your League Pass package….. does your work schedule affect how much you’d be able to stay up for West Coast games? If so, maybe the Grizz and the Twolves would suit better. Yeah, they’ll both lose a lot but their talent could be worth the time. Might even remind you of the good old days here in 05-07. ;-)

niremetal

October 27th, 2009
8:30 pm

Ariose,

JJ is almost never that open that close when he receives the ball. THAT was my point. Remember that JJ DID get those looks and thus DID play like that back in 06-07. Now teams swarm him even before he gets the ball if he’s remotely in scoring range. Also, in O’Brien’s uptempo offense, teams can’t afford to swarm Granger like they do JJ because there is such continuous off-ball motion.

You’re really gonna tell me JJ gets looks like the ones in that mix more than occasionally? And that he usually passes those shots up when he does get them? Sorry, dude. I’ve watched more than enough Hawks and Pacers games to tell you that teams don’t cover Granger like they do JJ. Not even close.

niremetal

October 27th, 2009
8:34 pm

And even then – come on. How many times have we seen JJ let loose from 30 feet when he’s feeling it? He does it all the time. The difference is that Granger gets looks from 24 feet that JJ can only get from 30. You can’t tell me that’s not true with a straight face. No one who watches the Hawks during Woody’s ISO Joe era can.

Big Ray

October 27th, 2009
8:37 pm

“…OCCASIONALY JJ will let it FLY like this, but Grager aLWAYS plays like this….thats why he averages 25ppg…..that and he gets to the line. JJ han’d played like that since he first got here.”

Cue obscure stat that nobody will be able to prove with due to a lack of proof on the DVR, in response… :twisted:

“I’ve said it a billion times – Kobe, MJ, Pierce, TParker, and all the other top-level scoring guards in recent history never had to worry about the crap that we are asking JJ to do. Well, I take that back – MJ DID have to worry about it early in his career, and the Pistons destroyed the Bulls every time until Phil came in and introduced the triangle. But unless you’re gonna blame MJ for the inevitable failures of Doug Collins’s easy-to-counter offensive scheme, you can’t blame JJ for the inevitable failure of Woody’s.”

Ask Paul Pierce about life before Kevin and Ray….

P.S.

It’s worth noting that Paul Pierce ALSO gave up the mantle of “true leader”, and got to focus on scoring, something he’s better at. Hmmmmm…

Big Ray

October 27th, 2009
8:38 pm

P.S.S.

I DID blame MJ….. :twisted:

Rod from College Park

October 27th, 2009
8:41 pm

That is because Grainger is two steps quicker than Joe is, college boy.

niremetal

October 27th, 2009
8:42 pm

Sautee,

Yeah, having to get up for the morning commute puts a damper on selecting West coast teams. At most, I’ll pick one besides Portland. Utah, Phoenix, and Denver are all on mountain time, but I still am wary of going with more than 3 teams whose games start later than 8:30…but then again, 1/4 of the Eastern Conference teams are blacked out where I live. C’est la vie.

Memphis and Minny are not on my list. Both teams would reeeeaaalllly have to show me something to make it on, because I’m not so big on loaded young teams playing for coaches who run a slow-paced offense. As you’ve said, I’ve seen that movie before ;)

Garnett just got his first T. The NBA season is officially on :D

niremetal

October 27th, 2009
8:45 pm

Big Ray,

You’ll get no argument from me that we should trade for a KG and Shuttlesworth to go along with JJ :) . I’ve always said that we need to get another scorer of equal or greater caliber than JJ to win it all. You generally need two guys like that for a title-winning team. My issue is with the people who think we can win it by trading away JJ to get said scorer…

niremetal

October 27th, 2009
8:50 pm

Again, Rod, JJ was getting and taking those shots all the time back in 06-07. Then teams figured out that Woody didn’t have a plan B to ISO JJ, so they started swarming him. Since then, he hasn’t gotten those looks.

Big Ray

October 27th, 2009
8:52 pm

Ah, hell.

Y’all stop messin’ with Nire and his boy!

Oh look, a Rod sighting…and no mention of Marvin. How’s that possible? ;) Somebody tell Satan to check his thermostat….

Big Ray

October 27th, 2009
8:56 pm

“Then teams figured out that Woody didn’t have a plan B to ISO JJ”

Yep, yep, and double yep…

Big Ray

October 27th, 2009
8:59 pm

Close game between Cleveland, Boston.

Waiting to see how Washington does against Dallas. We have them after Indiana, and this is the team so many pundits say will be fighting us for the 4th seed.