Swooping back to the perch

Greetings Hawks fans!

HB Ando and myself (Big Ray) would like to welcome back all Hawks fans, new and old, to the fan forum, now known as the Hawks Fan Nest. Kick back and chat it up with us, a couple of diehard Hawks fans just like yourselves. Rep your favorite player. Give a shoutout to a favorite snack spot in Phillips Arena. Complain about the seats (and those pesky opposing team fans that take up a whole section). You can do it all here at The Nest, where Hawks fans go to hang out.

It’s been a busy summer for the Atlanta Hawks, with more movement and intrigue than has been seen in these parts for some time now. After a “year off” from the draft, we were right back in the mix, taking Wake Forest guard Jeff Teague with the 19th pick. Expectations among fans have ranged from mild to wild, but there does seem to be one constant. Everybody within the organization seems impressed with the young fella, from ownership to coaching staff, to players, to the front office. If you’re a rookie, you can hardly hope for a better start. While Teague won’t quite have the pressure of the team needing him to make an immediate impact, his debut will be interesting nonetheless.

Also to be noted were the signings of free agents Zaza Pachulia, Marvin Williams, and Mike Bibby. All three guys had a hand in the unprecedented success of last season, and Marvin figures to be making a comeback of sorts after being out for several games towards the end of the season, and seeing marginal time in the playoffs.

Then of course, there was the free agent signings of big men Jason Collins and Joe Smith, as well as the trade of Speedy Claxton and Acie Law, for Jamal Crawford. All in all, a noteworthy offseason for Hawks fans. Will these changes have a similar positive effect that the additions of Ronald Murray and Maurice Evans did last year? Or will it be even better than that? We’ll begin to find out soon enough, though it seems that the season is a ways off yet. Speaking of which, who do you see making the roster out of training camp? Mario West has made the team the past two years on grit and hustle alone, but is he all out of magic beans? Will Courtney Sims rise from relative obscurity? Does Othello Hunter still have a future in Atlanta? Will Garrett Siler prove to be more than just a big guy? Would Frank Robinson or Mike Wilks help the team? Lots of questions, and we want to hear your replies!

Like last season, we will break down games, before and after, and the performances of players. But if you have something you want spotlighted, shout it out! The more input, the better.

Training camp is literally right around the corner, and the preseason begins in early October. Time to get it cranked back up.

Welcome back…to The Hawks Fan Nest.

29 comments Add your comment

Sautee

September 25th, 2009
5:27 pm

Geez, I don’t have to say the F word do I?

Sautee

September 25th, 2009
5:31 pm

Ray and Ando,

Welcome back. I have NO idea why you ever went away, but, hey, you’re here and it’s now. Actually it was now when I typed that last sentence. Now it’s some other time. And now.

Crap, I guess I’ll never catch up! ;-)

As far as who comes out of camp, does anyone know for sure that we’ll only carry 14? That would sure make a difference in that particular prediction.

One thing for SURE is that we won’t have consensus!

niremetal

September 25th, 2009
6:12 pm

What’s this “consensus” that you mention? I’ve never even heard of the term :) .

Welcome back, Big Ray!

Who?

September 25th, 2009
8:15 pm

Courtney Sims, Frank Robinson and Mike Wilks ? Hey, Mario, you have nothing to worry about – go ahead and make the down payment on the Maserati sedan – No one doubts that the Hawks will be exciting and fun to watch , the question is whether they will be able to leapfrog Boston, Orlando or Cleveland while holding off Miami, Philly and Chicago – if not, they will again this season finish as a 4th seed or worse and they will be facing another probable 2nd round exit – this team may be facing the Tiger Woods/Michael Jordan syndrome – it’s tough to win golf majors during the Tiger era and NBA titles during Jordan’s heyday

Ariose

September 25th, 2009
9:10 pm

NOOOOOOO!!!! Darn you all!!! :evil:

8-O

Ariose

September 25th, 2009
9:13 pm

Ahem, Anyhoo!!!

Welcome back guys!!!! :-)

Ariose

September 25th, 2009
9:24 pm

As for who makes the squad, My moneys on Sims, and maybe Siler as well.

Big Ray

September 25th, 2009
10:07 pm

Ariose ,

I’m interested in finding out if Sims makes the squad. The bad thing is, I’m also pulling for Siler and Hunter, but Sund is just NOT going to sign all three. Or so I say.

Big Ray

September 25th, 2009
10:08 pm

Niremetal ,

Thanks! And “consensus?” It’s a mythical term around these parts…. ;)

junebaby

September 26th, 2009
2:34 am

do any of u guys have an new info. on the hawks ownership feud, and whether it’ll have any effect on woody’s extension? why are siler and sims unknown to most fans, and do they really have a shot on making this roster? i read you guys comments on sekou’s blog quite often, but rarely do i comment, so pls bear with me, until i get the hang of this!

junebaby

September 26th, 2009
2:36 am

pardon me… that should be “any” new info

Big Ray

September 26th, 2009
5:35 am

Junebaby ,

It’s not a problem, you’re doing fine. As to the ownership feud, last word on that was that they are pretty much back where they started. I don’t remember all of the details, but some of the other guys around here can fill you in. Niremetal can explain in detail. Basically what I got from it was that the owners are back to getting a value of the team, and buying Belkin out.

Garrett Siler is a guy who went to a lesser-known university/college. Not even a mid-major, basically. He went undrafted, hence the lack of notoriety.

Sims is the D-League player of the year. Nice thought to such an honor, but it doesn’t guarantee a place on a real, live NBA team.

doc

September 26th, 2009
8:45 am

sautee you can catch up when you become in wholeness of being a hawks fan. i might suggest you are here or there or whatever, already. hopefully, soon i can get to the apple store and get the e fixed on my computer, frustrating to paste it every time.

ray and ando welcome back, never should ye have left, the thrasher blog got stronger without the hiatus. maybe wisdom will prevail at the ajc when they realize they lost significant hits while you were gone and in the start up this year as word spreads.

yes huge changes this year in the off season and this can only be a fifty win season or it shows what i said early on last season was true; many teams pretty much threw in the towel at the beginning of the season. we finished fourth by a mile coasting a bit in spite of injuries but in a seven game series with a truly lesser team barely made it out alive. yes we had injuries down the stretch but in moderation to other teams like philly losing brand who they had failed to incorporate into things early and the wiz out from the beginning due to huge losses.

man, we have collins and joe smith to replace solo, crawford to replace flip, who was a mini version of his replacement and teague to replace the downtrodden acie who never got his coaches or teams support. man, then kept the core intact. seems like 55 wins is a lock unless last year was due to others weaknesses. whatever occurs it will be fun and made even better by you guys and our contributions.

uh junebaby, i like your style. guys, we just added some class e.e. cummings’esque.

niremetal

September 26th, 2009
8:57 am

Ray’s basically got it. Last I heard, they’re back to the status quo ante bellum.. Belkin is a part of the ownership group again and the other owners have no obligation to buy him out (nor is he under any obligation to sell). So Belkin he has three choices: 1) he can remain a part of the ownership group; 2) he can sell his share back to the other owners after an appraisal; or 3) he can sell his share to someone else.

In any case, it truly will have no effect on the Hawks. I know it’s tough to understand that when you’re on the outside looking in, but with the way ownership works in the NBA, these behind-the-scenes machinations are very much shielded from having an impact on the operation of the team.

Ariose

September 26th, 2009
9:16 am

Big Ray

September 26th, 2009
10:14 am

Nire ,

I tended to believe that once David Stern had said as much. No way would he have said what he did, as candidly as he did, if it were otherwise. Of course, he wouldn’t have come out and said it plainly if operations were askew, but methinks we could have read into his reactions, or lack thereof.

doc

September 26th, 2009
10:20 am

nire, really the word is surprisingly, belkins never left and that he participated in all ownership sessions during the uh, separation. but yes, now they get to decide on their own how to cut the pie. could you say the agreement they had in place before it all blew up was worthless? how did so many lawyers get together, get paid so much money for something sooo worthless that trapped a franchise and a fan base so easily. a unique study in ineptitude from my viewpoint, admittedly based only on common sense with no legal background.

jhan

September 26th, 2009
10:35 am

doc – looks like the lawyers made plenty of dough through this whole mess. I’m sure they charged plenty for the initial agreement. You know their fees during this trial were high. Now they get to charge again for the buyout proceedings. I’m pretty sure the owners will put a different agreement in place after Belkin is gone – the lawyers will be charging for that too!!! Sounds like the ASG lawyers have a pretty good gig right now.

All speculation on my part of course – maybe their lawyers realized they did a poor job in the beginning & have been handling this issue without compensation since. What do you think nire? LOL!!

niremetal

September 26th, 2009
10:36 am

Doc,

Ineptitude if you’re the client. Brilliant if you’re the person in charge of billings for the law firm…

niremetal

September 26th, 2009
10:36 am

Haha…jhan kinda beat me to it ;)

niremetal

September 26th, 2009
10:40 am

In all seriousness, I would be a little surprised if BOTH parties didn’t hire new lawyers after the old agreement came under attack. Once it was clear that the agreement was poorly written, the clients had potential malpractice claims against their respective law firms. That created a conflict of interest between client and lawyer that technically required the original law firms to withdraw from participating further in the matter. But that being said, such conflicts can be waived by the clients, and they often are.

JSS

September 26th, 2009
10:46 am

Welcome Back! I’m not an accepted “die-hard;” but each of you know that I have great respect for your knowledge regarding all things Hawks. Here’s to this being the season that the Hawks break through that “glass ceiling!”

Sautee

September 26th, 2009
11:07 am

Geez, they’re adding women to the team? ;-)

doc

September 26th, 2009
11:16 am

nire, thanks for your candid comments. ineptitude was the rule of the day for this organization at the beginning for all to see including this client of their product now that i am in a seat for the full season. at what point were you disturbed at how the legal teams had made such a flawed document? i know i cringe when i hear of some things that are done in medicine

niremetal

September 26th, 2009
12:22 pm

Doc,

Lawyers are human (if barely ;) ). They make lots of mistakes, and they make them often. In the rush to get a deal done, lawyers sometimes glaze over details that are left ambiguous because they seem unimportant…it happens all too often, and that’s how pretty much all contract disputes start. I frankly think that lawyers should refund some of a client’s money and lawyers often used to do so, but that went the same way as players conceding points in tennis…

doc

September 26th, 2009
3:19 pm

nire, yeah, it is hard to get a lawyer to sue another for his client whereas it is super easy to get a lawyer to sue anyone else. guess that is human, too.

having had misrepresentation and collusion on one of my own contracts i felt it better to walk and take away a lesson. would like to think knowing one extremely well and being friends with them both would have made a difference but it wasnt when it came to the truth and protecting themselves from the larger client they represented at the same time when the contract language and understanding came into dispute by the other party they also advised. one is dead the other an alcoholic years later ….. karma?

WR

September 26th, 2009
5:17 pm

Big Ray, I see you finally got things up and going, thanks for the invite, its good to know there’s a good home for Hawks talk and I’m pretty sure it will be with you in charge. I won’t be on much this weekend but I will be sure to check in often, once again everything looks good, can’t wait for things to get firing on all cylinders. Later for now

Big Ray

September 26th, 2009
5:23 pm

JSS ,

Nonsense! If you came here, then you ARE a diehard fan, even if a “passive” one. Your comments are more than welcome. As far as acceptance, who are WE to determine such a thing? Heck, we don’t even have initiation rites…..that I know of…. ;)

WR ,

Glad to see you around these parts. Drop by anytime, and you know I’ll be over on Dawson’s (D3) spot as well to talk about our favorite pigskin playas. Peace! Things should really get cooking once the preseason games get going (and we get to see some actual action, though the games don’t count), so stick around.

Big Ray

September 27th, 2009
7:24 pm

New blog up….