Warning ! Review in Progress

That should be on a sign, and it should be posted on the outside of the door to Rick Sund’s office.

For like, a month.

The Hawks have made strides this season, as the record alone shows. They’ve won their first playoff series in roughly a decade. We should be celebrating, right? Ask the players and coaching staff if they feel like celebrating. Probably not very much, after getting ushered out of the postseason unceremoniously via a 4-game sweep. Injuries to key players had a lot to do with it. Injuries have a psychological effect as well as a physical one. But the Hawks weren’t the only team to experience this. Houston lost center Yao Ming. Orlando lost starting point guard Jameer Nelson well before the season ended. Boston lost Kevin Garnett. Perhaps, however, those are different stories. In each case, the team in question only experienced losing one major player to injury, whereas the Hawks had to deal with three starters not being anywhere near full health. That, and well….the other teams were better prepared for such things, in ways that the Hawks were not. We’ll get to that later, and not necessarily in this particular blog.

And so, the review in progress begins.

There is a dual meaning here, as you might have guessed. No doubt it is now time for Sund and his assistant to begin reviewing the season. Thus the “review that will be in progress.” The roster, the coaching staff, wins and losses, injuries, drama, all of it. But it’s not just a review of the past season. It’s also a review in “progress”, itself. As in, what does progress mean to the ASG, to Sund, and to the organization as a whole?

Does progressing simply mean winning more games than the previous season? How about getting to the second round of the playoffs? What it means exactly, and how many factors are involved in this review and analysis will determine what happens next. If winning more games than last season and making the second round of the playoffs was the only goal in the mind of ownership and management, then progress was certainly made. But if getting better year after year, and eventually contending for a championship is the goal, then things are not so simple after all.

Teams like the Hawks have no further to look than the Chicago Bulls of a couple years back. Fighting their way to 49 wins and proving themselves to be a very tough out in the playoffs, they had the entire Eastern Conference scared, and the pundits all over them….only to fall all the way down into lottery land the very next season.

Progress is not necessarily just about putting one foot in front of the other, or just going further than you did yesterday. It’s also about putting yourself into position to go even further tomorrow, than you did today. And going further than that, the day after. It’s not all about how far you have come. It’s also about how far you can go. “Baby steps,” we always say. And it’s true. You have to take baby steps. But you also eventually have to learn to walk smoothly, and with varying speeds. And then, you learn to run.

And that’s where the Hawks are right now. Trying to figure out if this is truly progress, or not. The numbers of course, tell a simple but very static story. The numbers tell you what you’ve been hearing and reading for the last 4 or 5 years. You keep hearing that the Hawks have been winning more and more games each year. Very true. Undeniable. But when you are that far down, where can you go, but up? (Unless of course, you STAY down, but that’s how people get fired and teams get sold…we won’t go there). Plus, there is something to be said for organic growth (I almost can’t use that term without asking Astro Joe for a copyright allowance/exception). Is it not reasonable to expect a young group of talented basketball players to get better year after year?

The question that probably burns the most is, can the Hawks go further? If they can, then we count this season as a major step in the progression of this team. If they cannot, then progress suddenly stops, and becomes something else. It’s called peaking, and it’s not what you want. Why? Because at this point, you realize that things cannot get any better. They can only stay the same, or get worse, which is of course called regression. That alone should be enough to motivate anybody to do all they can to stay on the path of true progress.

I was one of several people that thought last summer was a huge key to the future of this team. Plainly stated, it wasn’t, and I was wrong. I think it’s this summer (stop laughing…I could be wrong again, I know). General Manager Rick Sund has his work cut out for him, as what he (more specifically what the ASG) does this offseason can quite literally either boost or retard this team’s progress. Each move, and most likely the first, will be a domino effect on all of the others. One of the biggest issues is team chemistry. The Hawks don’t have enough of it, and need more of it to become better than they are. Sund has to figure that puzzle out, and it probably won’t be easy. I’m glad I don’t have that job. I won’t lie, I’d rather sit here and make outrageous proclomations from the safety of the ol’ armchair. I suspect most of us would (no Ando, I’m not referring to you).

So there it is. A review in progress. The season is over, and the “real” front office work begins (not that it ever really ends). Sund and the ASG have to decide what progress means to them. They have to decide whether or not the team has lived up to that standard. And they have to figure out what can be done, going forward. So what do you think? Are you happy with the strides this team has taken? Do you think they have exhibited true progress? What does Sund need to do to help improve upon the existing product? Are you sick of the word progress yet?

221 comments Add your comment

niremetal

May 11th, 2009
11:41 pm

Good blog. As I was reading this post, “Suspicious Mind” by Elvis came on my playlist:

I’m caught in a trap,
I can’t walk out
Because I love you too much, baby.

How perfect is that? Perfectly captures how all of us feel watching the Hawks over the past few years – they entice us enough to keep coming back for me, but you also feel like you’re just gonna get hurt in the end.

Man…hopefully this year’s “review” gets us a coach who trusts his players and players who trust each other, because:
We can’t go on together
With suspicious minds
And we can’t build our dreams
On suspicious minds.

niremetal

May 11th, 2009
11:42 pm

Good blog. As I was reading this post, “Suspicious Mind” by Elvis came on my playlist:

I’m caught in a trap,
I can’t walk out
Because I love you too much, baby.

How perfect is that? Perfectly captures how all of us feel watching the Hawks over the past few years – they entice us enough to keep coming back for me, but you just know you’re just gonna get hurt in the end.

Man…hopefully this year’s “review” gets us a coach who trusts his players and players who trust each other, because:
We can’t go on together
With suspicious minds
And we can’t build our dreams
On suspicious minds.

Ariose

May 12th, 2009
12:02 am

I can’t beleive it’s over lol. It was a great season. If we were healthy for this series’, I have no doubt we would have taken cleveland tho the brink of elemination.

Sign Rasheed, Bibby, Marion(LeBron is going to be in the east for the rest of his career, and you saw what happend to us when Marvin went down….JB had a feild-day) , Zaza, and Marvin.

If those guys really want to win, they will all come at a reasonble price, and we will be a force in the East for years to come.

Maybe we don’t resign Bibby and Hand the Keys over to Acie? Or Mybe we get new guards altogether? Either way, with over 14 million in cap space to work with Rick Sund BETTER Make this team better than the one that walked out of the Highlight factory with their heads hanging tonight.

It should be obvious to all by now that Joe Johnson is just a very good piece, and not a superstar. Based on the fact that ONCE AGAIN it was Josh Smith that Showed up, I don’t even want to hear his name mentioned negatively, or in any trade rumers by the rest of you. Give that man his props. He’s played his azz of during these playoffs. Whenever he attacks, regardlees of the outcome, you know his intentions were good. If he can get a jumpshot ovet the summer, he will be unstoppable.

As long as we don’t sign Ron Artest(who would get owned by LeBron anywayy and probably just end up pissing him off….which will only result in a bigger beating for us), Then I have no problem with Rasheed. He’s the best available. Get a clue people. You find someone better, then let me know. I don’t want to givve up any young talaent, and I seriouly doubt any of you do too. Sheed is Unrestricted and can play the CENTER position,which currently is the only spot we can’t cover defensively.

We now have SERIOUS OPTIONS and TONS of CAP SPACE. Sund Better get this right.We won’t ever have a summer like this to either become a contender or Regress to the rest of the pack.

Brian H

May 12th, 2009
12:17 am

Laughable finish with a really laughable and forgettable team with mediocre players. Be happy with this teams very MINOR accomplishments because the Hawks never have got out of the second round and never will because they’re a bad franchise with 2nd rate players like Joe Johnson and Steve Smith posing as star players.

KevinA

May 12th, 2009
12:25 am

Al while very good, will never be a great center. Will Josh eventually be a star? We could trade Josh and get a good center. Would Al then rise to a couple levels higher at this new position?

Or keep Josh and trade Al for a bigger more dominate rebounder.

PG production has never been more important than this NBA season. Seems like they are a dime a dozen. Bibby while good, seems a step slow. His salary at his age seems overblown for his impact. If the Hawks continue to live on switching defense, can we resign Childress/Flip and go without a true PG while having Acie as a back up. Making the decision to do so would free up a lot of cash.

I believe JJ is a great player. However we need someone who can draw contact and get to the line.

Bottom line if I was GM for a day lol I would trade JJ and whatever for a Roy type player. Keep Marvin because he attacks the basket. Keep Flip because he attacks the basket. Start Acie because he attacks the basket. This would be my theme. We need a team that attacks the basket and rely’s on defense to win. Josh would be my pick over Al to drive to the hole.

KevinA

May 12th, 2009
12:30 am

By the way ZaZa is a great bargin for his toughness.

LAC

May 12th, 2009
12:31 am

Please O Please sell the hawks to someone in Billings,Montana or send them BACK to St.Louis, Enough of the National BORING Association in this town !

Ariose

May 12th, 2009
12:42 am

How about we just sign Rasheed and have Al come off the bench with Zaza. It makes more sense, and it gives our Bench a boost……jeez.

niremetal

May 12th, 2009
12:55 am

Co-sign KevinA. I’d give up JJ for Roy straight up – one of just 4-5 guys in the league I would. But of course, we know that’s not going to happen :) .

Ariose, I always love seeing your proposals this time of year – I think that every month that passes shows that ‘Sheed is no longer the great player he once was. I honestly don’t think us he gives us anything that Al won’t be able to give us next year except his 3-point shooting…and we don’t need another guy chucking up bombs from 30 feet out.

I agree we need a big man who will allow Al to play at his natural position, but I don’t think Sheed is that guy, especially considering how much I’m sure we’d have to pay to get him.

niremetal

May 12th, 2009
1:02 am

Good blog. As I was reading this post, “Suspicious Mind” by Elvis came on my playlist:

I’m caught in a trap
I can’t walk out
Because I love you too much, baby.

How perfect is that? Perfectly captures how all of us feel watching the Hawks over the past few years – they entice us enough to keep coming back for me, but you also feel like you’re just gonna get hurt in the end.

Man…hopefully this year’s “review” gets us a coach who trusts his players and players who trust each other, because:
We can’t go on together
With suspicious minds
And we can’t build our dreams
On suspicious minds.

cp

May 12th, 2009
1:25 am

The sad thing about Roy is that we could have had him but for some dumb reason selected Sheldon. I was so pissed that night. I would have been alright with Rudy Gay too but I was hoping for anybody other than Sheldon.. Ariose I doubt Marion would come here unless he is offered the starting job. That cat has a big ego and its reported a lot of the locker room problems from the past Suns team were largely because of him. I read that Sheed wants 8 million per year. If that is true I’m sorry I think we have to pass. Its kind of hard to say who to bring in and who to draft and etc because of Woodson. A lot of guys we might like might not fit his system and what that system is I still don’t truly know. If they do bring Woodson back I hope they bring in somebody to take over the offense. We have to much talent to look as bad as we do on offense…

CEE

May 12th, 2009
1:57 am

MAN YOU CAN CAOMPARE THIS TO THE CAREER OF PAT EWING BARKELY AND KARL MALONE GREAT PLAYERS WHO DIDNT GET A CHIP.. BECAUSE LEBRON IS GOIN TO HURT ALOT OF PLAYERS CAREER HE HIS THE BEST AND HIS TEAM PLAY LIKE THEY KNOW THERE THE BEST

NO DEFENSE HAVIN HAWKS

May 12th, 2009
1:58 am

DELONTE WEST WAS STRAIGHT KILLING THE HAWKS DUNKING ON JOSH SMITH AND TAKIN THE HEL OUT OF JOE JOHNSON AND LOCKIN HIM DOWN

Ariose

May 12th, 2009
2:21 am

I understand the reasoning, but what are the alternatives? How can this squad reach the next level without giving up our young talent?

With Flip, Zaza, Bibby ,Marvin, and Solo etc. all being free agents, we have no trading chips other than Joe and Josh. You all KNOW at the end of the day that our two leading scorers/defensive ace are not going anywhere.

So what now?

calico

May 12th, 2009
3:20 am

Let Bibby walk but you have to keep Flip, Zaza, Marvin and Solo but im sure Joe wont like Bibby leaving but this is a business and Woody should be fired for not using his bench.

vava74

May 12th, 2009
3:39 am

People, people, people…

The Pistons in 02-03 won 50 games with Rick Carlisle and then were SWEPT on the FIRST ROUND, so be calm and realise that we have a very good group of young players.

We have similarities with the Pistons of that period (absence of a real 5 star player) and we are probably only 2 players away from being real contenders.

We need a C and we need to put Bibby in the bench as the seasoned vet which would bring focus and outside shot for limited minutes (20 max).

I really believe that he will accept an extension for a low amount, provided that we give him a nice number of years AND I really think that AC can be our Billups if Sund orders Woody to give him the starting job and keep trusting him until his jump shot comes back.

Some players have problems adjusting to the new 3-point distance and loose confidence in their shot because of the few extra inches. Salim was a good example, due to his size, his college 3-point hability did not carry over to the NBA and he lost his confidence.

I believe that Acie suffers from the exact same problem.

As for the C which we would get, Sheed is not an option: he no longer plays inside, on the low post, settling for 3-pointers.

His inside game is dead and his rebounding and blocking is dropping dramatically. Do we really need a C which only gets 7 reb per game?

If we could get someone like Joel Przybilla back or Jeff Foster I would be satisfied. We need rebounding and shot blocking (Priz would be better).

Finally, I honestly believe that Otello has a lot more potential than Solo, to be an interior presence coming of the bench or even as a undersized starting C. I believe that he could be a PJ Brown or even a poor man’s Ben Wallace if he puts in 30lbs of muscle.

vava74

May 12th, 2009
3:56 am

ESPN’s Hollinger:

“As for the Hawks, they bow out after exceeding all expectations and making the second round of the playoffs for the first time in a decade. Plus, it might be the second year in a row they got knocked out by the eventual champion. But injuries to starters Johnson, Williams and Horford made an already difficult task all but impossible against the Cavs.”

doc

May 12th, 2009
8:29 am

yes ray, where is the ceiling and if not up how to stretch it by additions and subtractions.

vava 74 roids are still illegal, the guys in spots didnt know it so the blown up bodies are now gone as is wallace’s muscle to never be seen again.

richbrave

May 12th, 2009
8:33 am

On management’s side, I am clueless as to SUND’s abilities. Will have a clearer picture in October. On the players side, they’d best become a collective of gym rats. Surely this year the learning curve went up steeply on what it takes to be NBA champions. Natural ability only goes so far in this league. Time to take the diapers off and walk like men, err, basketball players.

richbrave

May 12th, 2009
8:41 am

What? Did I see some love on this blog for DUCK? Last year that derisive term was being used by many, some of whom still post here. Patience guys. This is a great collective bunch of talent. Just as DRMARY B. said. They’ll figure it out.

I was struck by comments printed on the passing of CHUCK DALY and ascribed to him. He said its a players league, and if the players don’t respect you enough to let you coach, you can forget playing successful basketball in the NBA. ‘Nuff said.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2009
9:41 am

So now we join probably 6-10 other teams in NBA purgatory. And I’ll be happy if we get to stay here for another 4-5 years. Yeah I know, the goal should be a Championship. Sorry, when you look at history that just seems like a nice goal but one that is very, very, very hard to realize. Teams like the Pacers, Suns, Nets, Kings, Blazers & Mavs have all been on the cusp (and each with better owners than the Hawks) and have failed to cross the finish line. I’d rather see 8 years of second round playoff exits than see this team ride the roller-coaster of rebuilding every 3-4 seasons while chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Chick Fil A is a great fast food chain that isn’t near the big dogs in the industry. As long as we don’t become Zesto’s, then I will gladly be a fan of the cow-endorsed fast food chain. Stay in the playoffs. That’s my goal. Be Chick Fil A.

doc

May 12th, 2009
9:45 am

vava 74 said the same thing for bibby, just dont think it will be here if a serious contender is a suitor for the same thing.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2009
10:07 am

vava74, if Acie earns the starting job, then so be it. But I wouldn’t hand it to him, I’d have an open competition and let them battle it out. They could become a very good two-man tandem, like what Calderon and Ford gave the Raptors in previous years. But Woody doesn’t seem capable of playing different styles within a single game and I don;t really see how Acie, Bibby and Flip could all find a role on a Woody-led team. I could see Bibby moving into Flip’s role, but I can’t see the three of them coexisting.

Sautee

May 12th, 2009
10:07 am

Hey Ray, LOL, I thought Sund was reviewing “progress” all year!

My biggest worry is the lack of chemistry, which showed oh so well in road games.

We set an NBA record for futility by losing 4 road playoff games by +20 points.

THINK ABOUT THAT, folks. In the entire 60 year (or so) history of the league we are the WORST road playoff team.

I guess we didn’t play with enough energy. ;-)

niremetal

May 12th, 2009
10:10 am

Tried to send this last night, but it didn’t take. Let’s try again….

Good blog. As I was reading this post, “Suspicious Mind” by Elvis came on my playlist:

I’m caught in a trap,
I can’t walk out
Because I love you too much, baby.

How perfect is that? Perfectly captures how all of us feel watching the Hawks over the past few years – they entice us enough to keep coming back for me, but you also feel like you’re just gonna get hurt in the end.

Man…hopefully this year’s “review” gets us a coach who trusts his players and players who trust each other, because:
We can’t go on together
With suspicious minds
And we can’t build our dreams
On suspicious minds.

Sautee

May 12th, 2009
10:11 am

doc, I’m not as worried about losing Bibby as I am Flip. I think you have a good point about Bibby, and wouldn’t be surprised if he went to Houston, but Flip has shown the league his worth and at a MUCH lower value than Bibby. I think he’ll find more suitors out there than Bibby will.

MannyT

May 12th, 2009
10:12 am

Absolutely a better season than expected on the front end. It may have ended with a dud, but it was better than I thought it could be.

Ray, Sund has not made a move since he signed Flip. That sign outside the office has been there since he showed up. It’s probably a bit faded by now. Not that I expect him to treat the Hawks like a fantasy team, but he has been kicking the tires for 11 months.

I’m sure that there will be lots of let’s do A and let’s add B and get rid of C over the next few months.

I’m still not a Woody fan, but I can acknowledge that he will be here at the least for another season.
Richbrave, maybe Woody will find some old Chuck Daly tapes and learn some new coaching moves over the summer.

Half the players are at the end of their contracts–Bibby, Zaza, Flip, Solo, Gardner, Hunter, & Mario) Marvin is a restricted free agent, so he gets to see the business end of the NBA this summer.

There will be draft picks, so I expect at least one or two of those slots to go to rookies.

We could have a similar team or they could bring back that commercial from the year Mutombo came here where all the guys had to introduce themselves because there were so many new players…which could mean discounts on old uniforms at the team gear store ;-)

I’m not ready for the summer blog beatdown yet. I’ll take some time to enjoy the next round of the playoffs and watch Orlando find a way to take out Boston & Cleveland.

BWAF

Sautee

May 12th, 2009
10:14 am

AJ,

Does that mean the Hawks won’t play Sunday games?

Jeffrey

May 12th, 2009
10:23 am

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED HOW BORING AND PREDICTABLE THIS HAWKS’ HALF-COURT OFFENSE IS?? SIMPLY DOESN’T WORK AND WHY IN THE WORLD ISN’T THERE ANYONE DOWN LOW IN POSITION TO REBOUND ALL THOSE COUNTLESS HAWKS’ BRICKS??? THE HAWKS THREW UP ENOUGH BRICKS LAST NIGHT TO BUILD ANOTHER PHILLIPS ARENA!!

MannyT

May 12th, 2009
10:29 am

Astro…if you are close to one, what’s wrong with Zesto’s especially if you don’t want the boneless chicken?

Back to the hoops focus. I laugh at all the comments that poke at JJ because he is not ….blah, blah, blah.

Aside from the Human Highlight Heat Check…when have the Hawks had a dominant perennial all star for several seasons (in the last 30 years?) Joe is asked to do more than any Hawk I can remember during that span. He’s better than all those guys after Dominique.

In general, the Hawks need to figure out how to hold on to that 2nd round playoff level without giving away the cap flexibility to strike when an opportunity arises. If that means letting guys go…fine. If that means extending contracts…fine.

Be ready for the magic beans trades when they are out there. For all of the stressing that will happen about the players we do not have, just look at the impact players that changed teams for a steal in the past season and a half. The deals for Kurt Thomas to Seattle, Pau Gasol to the Lakers, and Camby to the Clippers were big impact deals where little was given up to get a big man.

If Sund has some magic beans, we could be in great shape next season.

BWAF

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2009
10:29 am

Sautee, exactly. No Sunday games but during the other days, you can get an outstanding milk shake hand-blended by Al Horford.

Spirit the Cow (as told to MannyT)

May 12th, 2009
10:31 am

Sautee,

You crack me up.

No more burgers at concession stands for the games either.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2009
10:35 am

Manny, you;re right. JJ is a modern-day version of Steve Smith. neither had the athleticism that would take their skill set to another level. But in both cases, that’s why they were available to be acquired. And what the casual fan needs to realize is that without the clear leader/bonfide superstar, we still have to pla 82 games next season. You don’t get to wait on the sideline while trying to get that important piece (including a “real” center). So I absolutely agree with the way Manny put it. Keep some cap space open and keep hanging in the playoffs until you do get those missing pieces. I’d much rather stay around 42-48 games rather than suck in hopes of landing the instant superstar via trade, free agency or draft.

MannyT

May 12th, 2009
10:49 am

AStro, I’d even go farther. JJ is much stronger and healthier in general than Smith. As a result he spent a lot of the playoffs chasing PGs, guarding all star SGs, and trying to slow down a 260 lb MVP.

Steve Smith and his bad knees never had to make that many defensive adjustments during the playoffs.

Now if Woody keeps running JJ into the ground during the regular season…he might move like Steve Smith in a few years.

BWAF

doc

May 12th, 2009
10:49 am

ray this year is vital but from a different perspective. last year was vital to see if the hawks were willing to continue to spend in the mid range rather than be bottom dwellers. this year is even more important because they have to show they are willing to continue to spend but now their competence and rick sund’s competence comes into question. without last summer we dont have this year. perhaps if they hadnt dropped the ball on chills there would be less to question as there would be one more piece in place. i only see four bodies ready to play for next year already signed as acie doesnt count; jj, josh, al and ?mo.

sautee, i am worried that zaza and flip, our slim bench, is gone. that is why signing chills last year was important for continuance sake. personally i am not worried to lose bibby unless his role and price are just right as he is on the slide and a huge liability on defense and the one everyone has to cover for or other smart coaches go right at. how much longer will dumb coaches fail to see it? other strong long defensive teams can afford that liability, we cant. geez he had more fouls than points or assists last night until he escaped that collar with a late three in the fourth quarter. flip showed his inability to dribble in traffic in better than josh last night so he is not he answer either when it is not on the open court. acie was the only one to show he could go in and not lose it in traffic in a set offense and he was kept out of the action and should be packaged to another team in the off season.

folks this team is going to be remade. it might look very similar or could be quite different and was one of the reasons i agreed so heartily with astro to not look too far into the future and lose the fun of what was being done in the last 12 months since we had the high of playoff fever against the almighty C’s. one thing for certain according to 790 folks is that the basg has already announced woody is back next year, so get over it.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2009
11:14 am

If Woody comes back, then they need to offer him an extension. Or, get rid of undeveloped players. You can complain all you want about player development but self-preservation is still the first law of nature. You want a Head Coach with a year or two to turn his team over to an unproven PG or insert Solo, West and others into the game for meaningful minutes? Using a football example, no Head Coach with a year on his contract is eager to play a bunch of rookies, why would he when there is a very high chance that he won’t survive the growing pains associated with developing those players? Either you give Woody the “security” on a real contract or you cut him loose. Or, you turn this into an old team that has a very small window. But the ASG can’t have it both ways. Keep Woody on a short leash and surround him with raw, cheap talent (like the end of our bench). If Woody comes back with one year left on his deal, then Acie either needs to live with Mark Price for the next 4 months or his agent needs to demand a trade tomorrow.

vava74

May 12th, 2009
11:52 am

Flip is overrated, he puts in and out of games and, sincerelly, I don’t think we should worry too much about keeping him (only at the right price).

Look at his stats, in particular to his FG%, during the playoffs (FG 42-123 – .341 / 3PTS 14-50 – .280.).

Are you all on crack? The fact that he sometimes scores in bunches does not override the fact that he is also a liability in defense and a loose cannon most of the time (look at the 2 stupid half court shots on game 3 against the cavs when we he had time to make the pass or even dribble down the court and you’ll know what I am talking about).

How does Flip compare to any other journeymen combo guards? Just average, hence, I would prefer to develop Acie and get some minutes out of Gardner who showed great touch in the garbage minutes against the Cavs.

AntA

May 12th, 2009
11:55 am

Actually, for the money we had a decent team. I would not sign Bibby again, he was a definate upgrade for us but will not take us to the Promise Land. We really need to get us a team leader that can command respect on the court and that can penatrate into the lane. Personally, I think we need to resign Flip,ZaZa,Solo,and maybe Marvin if the price is right and pick up a veteran point guard (Marbury) and center (Prizbilla).

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2009
12:29 pm

Pryzbilla is not a free agent and if you were the Blazers and you watched Oden play 1 of every 5 games, would you trade Pryzbilla? I didn’t think so.

Vava, Flip brings that fighter’s attitude the team doesn’t have. Let’s face it, the roster is full of finesse players (choir boys, cry-babys, cupcakes, etc). Flip is the only one with a little “nastiness” to his demeanor. Can Pargo or McCants or several other journeymen combo guards put up comparable stats? Sure. But they won’t bring that intangible quality that Flip brings. And if nothing else, this team has learned that chemistry, leadership, toughness and other intangibles are what will utlimately take them to the next level.

Ariose

May 12th, 2009
1:32 pm

Also that man is NOWHERE NEAR 270+POUNDS! PLEASE ESPN GET YOUR FACE OUT OF LEBRONS PELVIC REGION! Zaza paculia wieighs 275 pounds, and LeBron looks nothing like that. This is way beyond rediculous now. In round 1, J-Smoove put on a dunking exhibition and NOT ONE DUNK MADE SPORTSCENTER!(Yes, wade was in more than a couple of those). What about his block on LeBron is game 3? They didn’t even show the replay? The media Hates anything that makes their stars look bad and thay don’t care who they have to step over in ther quest to make them look good.

Somone PLEASE tell me when LeBron became a better shot blocker than Josh Smith? That idiot from TNT was like “We’ve all seen LeBron chase down shots from behiend, now Josh Smith is getting in on the act too.” WTF? Check the career block stats man! This is just getting outrageous. J-Smoove= fastest and yongest player to 900+ blocks. LeBron and his short arms just started doing that last year in the playoffs after he was inspired by J-Smoove taking the Celtics lunch mony in round one. Talk about swagger-Jackin’.

The media has gone too far. I’m tired of seeing lebrons mug all over the T.V. Sometimes it’s nice to see waht OTHER PLAYERS AND OTHER TEAMS ARE DOING AROUND THE LEAUGE ALSO.

Volman

May 12th, 2009
2:10 pm

Already talking offseason.. I like it!

This will be a completely different team next year, I believe. I really like Woody as a coach, and he’s probably a great guy (and has put so much effort/time into rebuilding this team) but he is obviously not the coach to bring this team to the next level. 74 points scored AT HOME? Come on. We all know he has no offensive scheme and just “runs plays”. I credit Woody’s defense (sometimes) but there are so many negatives that none of his positives don’t outweigh them. Being a nice guy will not cut it anymore, sorry. Woody has to go.

I would love to sign Marvin to a cheap deal. I honestly don’t see MANY teams going after him. If there are many teams, then boom..Sign and Trade. Better get somebody that can help this team though.

I want Bibby resigned. If he isn’t resigned, then Acie is going to take over. He needs to be shooting every single second of his life from here until “veterans camp” because he cannot just rely on driving to the hole. I can see him being a poor man’s Deron Williams if he can get SOME TYPE of a jump shot. Please, Acie.

Flip and Zaza need to be back, no doubt. There is no question there. These guys are the two toughest on the Hawks team. Joe, Smoove, and Marvin can learn a thing or two from them. Well, I’ll add Mo to the toughness talk. I like his attitude out on the court.

Will this team spend any money this summer? Are they willing to use that cap space (if they don’t sign Bibby) and sign some QUALITY players to add depth and experience to this team?

Somebody talked about Horford not making a big jump from year one to year two.. I’d have to disagree. I feel like his offensive post moves are way better than they were last year. He was so hesitant to make a move last year, but this year he has improved. He’s not an offensive beast, but he’s getting better. I would love for him to get that elbow shot down.

I love Joe to death but Josh Smith is the most important player on this team. He can either kill the team or kill the opponent on any given night. I got chills (no, not J-chills!) when I saw Smoove abusing Varejao in game three (early on) when he was in the post only and also when he was running on fast breaks. That is the josh Smith that the Hawks need… not the guy who gets put out at the corner three spot (thanks Woody).

Joe Johnson traded? No way. This team is nowhere without him. This team needs a superstar, however. Joe is a good #2 for this team, but if the BASG could PLEASE just get a legit #1 for this team while somehow keeping Joe, that’d be awesome.

Maybe it’s too much to ask. I don’t know.

freshd

May 12th, 2009
2:11 pm

How about trying to get the other GASOL brother MARK, as a backup center to bang in the middle, he would come cheaper than Pryzbilla.

freshd

May 12th, 2009
2:19 pm

He averaged 11.9 points per game and 7.4 rebounds. Plus he 7 feet tall and weighs 280 lbs, and he”s only 24 years old. He would be better than anything the hawks could find late in the draft, and AL could move to power forward.

MannyT

May 12th, 2009
2:25 pm

vava currently Flip makes 1/10th of what Bibby makes. We should be able to get Flip signed for a reasonable price if we give him multiple (say 3) years.

680 the fan has been talking hawks for awhile today. They are down on the Hawks based on the “this might be our ceiling, so I’m not happy about this season” chatter.

Where is kirkinga to say nice things. I think we should have some nice things to say about the overall season. There is lots to figure out this summer, but this was a good season.

If you doubt it, find the last time the Hawks got beyond the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Conference finals in 69-70. Put that in your time machine and smoke on it for a bit.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2009
2:44 pm

MannyT, I wish there were a rule that if the sports talk radio guys don’t talk about the team in the regular season, then they can’t talk about them in the post-season. 680 treated the hawks like they were the GA State men’s basketball team during the first 82 games. Now, they want to discuss the team. I even heard Matt & Chuck discuss why they would NOT talk about the Hawks on their show and spend most of their time of stuff like Auburn football. I’m ticked off just thinking about those clowns ripping the Hawks now.

And no doubt, it was a good season. A very good season. Just because a movie ends badly doesn’t mean that you didn’t enjoy the acting, storyline and directing during the other 90% of the flick.

Volman

May 12th, 2009
3:01 pm

What a roller coaster ride it has been this season. Very exciting.

Astro, you’re talking about the movie ending… Another chapter has begun. It’s time to get your popcorn folks:

The offseason is here!

MannyT

May 12th, 2009
3:24 pm

Astro, those 680 guys need a quizno’s torpedo…swiftly toward the head. Matt-lanta claimed that van Gundy should be the next coach here. He said van Gundy had an athletic running team when he was with the Knicks. Obviously, the power of radio does not include knowledge of the topic. Those guys were like bad boys 2. It was a wrestling match instead of a basketball game. I’d rather keep Woody for the long term than have a guy trying to win NBA games 70-68 every night.

At the end of the season, I’m now thinking about Woody like Lyle Lovett. No way you expected him to have Julia Roberts as his wife. Woody is in his Julia Roberts phase with the Hawks. It didn’t last for Lovett and I doubt it lasts for Woody (unless he changes his ways.)

I had to laugh when I saw the quote where he admitted that he ran Joe into the ground…what a coach.

Would Mike Woodson be willing to work Johnson less? “Without a doubt,” the coach said. “Did I wear him down? Sure. But I needed to ride him to get us where we needed to go.”

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2009
3:29 pm

I just read that Theo Ratliff will be looking for a new team after dissing the 76ers interim coach. He would be a nice add. I wouldn’t ask him to give us more than maybe 10 minutes a game but he looks like he is still an effective low-post defender. Sign David Andersen from Europe add Theo and we suddenly have a very solid big man rotation with Horford and Smith starting.

Astro Joe

May 12th, 2009
3:46 pm

Manny, he previously admitted that he wore out Joe. I have to say, if I had a new boss and a short employment contract, I’d have my best team member doing more than his fair share too. And I wouldn’t bother to apologize. What exactly was the alternative? Player development? Hey, in this economy, I’m not trusting my household income on Mario West.

Sautee

May 12th, 2009
4:07 pm

AJ,

about this: ” You want a Head Coach with a year or two to turn his team over to an unproven PG or insert Solo, West and others into the game for meaningful minutes?”

No, that’s understandable, BUT if they were given more minutes, period, especially early in the year, and against lesser teams, than they would be much more confident in the case of multiple injuries.

I do NOT ascribe to the idea that Acie and Solo playing 12-15 minutes / game would make us lose X amount of games. If that DID prove to be true, OK, then cut their minutes. Otherwise you’re just grinding the starters down.

The biggest problem most on the blog had with Woody was the fact that in most cases, Acie, Solo, and West gave fairly PRODUCTIVE minutes, but that would be followed by a series of dnp-cd’s, with no apparent logic. If these guys were coming in a causing us to fall way behind, that would be understandable, but as you know that was mostly NOT the case.