Strengthen Numbers
The title of this blog is probably a phrase that’s over-used and cliched to death, but I can’t think of something that applies more to the Hawks right now.
This time last year saw Mike Woodson shave the rotation down to 7 or 8 men, a move that he admitted (in an interview/article by Sekou K. Smith) was not favored by his assistants. Not so this year. The fact is, Coach Woodson has actually lengthened his rotation to 9, sometimes 10 men since Marvin Williams went down with a back injury. I don’t know about you, but I figure the devil has to be checking his thermostat after that one. Did anybody see this coming? I mean, we ARE used to Woody saying that he wants to extend his rotation, that he needs to find a way to do it (while not actually doing it). Well, apparently he found a way to do it. Let’s examine the guys who are benefitting the most right now.
Woody has developed a sudden penchant for putting Mario West into the game either late in the first quarter, or early in the second. It’s worked, as West absolutely refuses to let whomever he is guarding get into an offensive rhythm. Not only that, but the 6′5″ guard is relentless on the glass. On BOTH sides of the floor. West is still somewhat out of control on the offensive end, but the man has absolutely no fear, and can get to the basket if there’s a clear path. His energy, hustle, and defensive attitude make up for his shortcomings. The best part is, when he goes out, the Hawks aren’t losing any offensive punch.
Enter Solomon Jones, who inexplicably has been glued to the bench after rather promising early season production. Solo is another energy guy who has somewhat decent touch around the basket (if he actually gets the ball, that is) . His biggest impact is on defense where he can use his length to bother opponents, and on the glass where again his length and leaping ability come into play.
Last, but certainly not least, is Acie Law. While many (myself included) have ground their teeth at the paltry minutes Law has been getting up to this point, none of us could say for certain just how good Law would be. And while his stats have not jumped out at anybody, he’s as solid as they come. Unlike during his collegiate career, Law isn’t real big on taking shots these days. Instead, he has focused on being what he has been asked to be- a point guard, first and foremost. But lately, he hasn’t been shying away from shots either, not like he was earlier in the season. However, that’s not where he’s been making the biggest impact. No, that has been on defense, where he has allowed guys like Flip Murray and Joe Johnson to regard their respective counterparts (a rare luxury when playing next to Mike Bibby) , while he guards the opposing point guard. And what a job he has done. Even Chris Paul was not able to do a lot against him when he was in the game. Not only that, but Law has more than adequately done the one thing that takes the most pressure off of Joe Johnson- handle the ball without making a bunch of mistakes. Try looking at Law’s assist-to-turnover ratio. Look at his stats in those two categories for the last few games in which he has played. You might be very surprised.
The question is, did it really take an injury to a starter for this to happen, or was Woody going to do it anyway? We’ll never know unless he’s asked that question in an interview (hey, somebody send a memo about this to Sekou Smith…he’s the man). Inquiring minds want to know, but does the “why” of it really matter? Perhaps what matters more is that not only is Woody doing it, but he’s doing a decent job of it. Maybe more than decent. Yes, I know, grudging praise….but pardon me if I’m not going to get overly excited about a handful of games in the face of five whole years. Besides, there are two bigger questions. One, will Woody continue his prudent use of the bench if/when Marvin returns to the lineup? It’s only natural that some bench players will lose playing time when a starter returns, but we don’t know if Marvin will be 100% healthy when he returns. Chances are, he won’t be that healthy until sometime during the offseason. And since that is likely the case, playing him more than twenty or so minutes a game until he proves himself ready to go, would be a mistake. And two, how much trust will Woody show to these bench players (and how will he use them) in the playoffs?
Either way, what Woody is doing right now is working. And it’s building confidence among the bench players, and the team overall. These guys have been needing to know that they can count on each other when the heat is on. Better late than never.
So. Do you think this is an aberration, or just a coincidental turning over of a new leaf? Tell us what you think. Gotta go for now. It’s halfway through the 4th quarter, and the Hawks are up by double digits over the Blazers. Nothing like home cooking.
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Big Ray
March 15th, 2009
2:18 pm
Actually, the title is a bit of play on words, and not the usual three word catch phrase….but you get the point.
Big Ray
March 15th, 2009
2:35 pm
Sweet win, and yet another example of how to properly use the JJ ISO.
Simple: run enough effective plays through other guys, making them a credible threat, and eliminating the effectiveness of throwing double and triple teams at Joe.
It may have taken FIVE WHOLE YEARS to figure this out, but we’re there now. As long as we continue this, we’ll be okay.
It was nice to see us outplay the Blazers in nearly facet of the game (except rebounding, they always beat us in that segment). Our defense was definitely better, both schematically and by way of execution. PROPS TO SENOR WOODSON on that one, and the players of course.
Great game by JJ. He’s a beast when you let him do HIS thing, instead of making him do EVERYTHING, a point that my friend Niremetal has brought up repeatedly (but has been largely ignored).
Nice game by Josh and Al, though they struggle against such sizeable lineups. The fact that we still won by nearly 20 tells you something, though. And I see their haters are conspicuously quiet…
Basically, we did to the Blazers what most teams have been doing to us for the past 5 years: limited them to one effective offensive option. Sure, Roy more or less did his thing. And Aldridge had a decent night. But he wasn’t the amount of trouble he usually is, and only Outlaw was able to muster double digit scoring other than those two, despite McMillan’s extensive use of his bench.
All of our starters played fairly well at the least. It was nice to see Bibby get a few dimes and hit some shots. He’s been starving out there on the court lately (still takes too many 3s).
Gotta give Woody credit. He used, but did not overuse the bench. The starters were playing pretty well, especially in the second half.
It was great to see us FINALLY compete with, and beat the Blazers. I loved this one!
Sautee
March 15th, 2009
2:51 pm
I HOPE that the leaf has turned (good thing this isn’t the Falcons blog, as “leaf” would have a whole different meaning.
Like you said it’s a handful of games, but dang, it DOES give me hope.
Big Ray
March 15th, 2009
2:53 pm
Sautee,
Phone is on the fritz. Sorry. Call ya later.
doc
March 15th, 2009
3:29 pm
great comments ray. good game today. countdown to thursday dude. got to take care of business. may even be time to get the playoff tix. they continue the roll they are on it will take it out of my cash jar big time. where are you guys, get out here and support this team durn it.
go hawks!
jhan
March 15th, 2009
4:01 pm
I hope this bench use continues. If the Hawks continue winning utilizing the bench how can Woody stop?
This is what we’ve been asking for all year. Just regular minutes for our bench guys so they can help contribute. Even 5-8 minutes a game for Solo, Law & West will pay dividends.
Good job Woody – keep it going
Lacsho
March 15th, 2009
4:44 pm
Nice blog Ray. Hopefully the change is permanent.
I watched a hour of Acies college highlights on youtube, and Acie was a beast. He stated Billy Gillispie help change his game at A&M. Furthermore, he stated Gillispie had a a lot of confidence in him. That confidence empowered his game.
Anywayz, it was a great win. Looks like the same Hawks that started this season. A bigger rotation gets the entire team involved, which promotes great team chemistry.
Tell your boy Ando I prefer cash!!!!
Peace
Melvin
March 15th, 2009
5:57 pm
Doc, I will be there for the Lakers and Celtics at the end of the month and the Magic the week after. See you then…. Go Hawks…
Astro Joe
March 15th, 2009
6:39 pm
It might be time to start dealing with a cold, hard dose of reality. Hawks have 15 games left with 9 at home. For the sake of argument, let’s say they go 8-7. They will finish with 47 wins. We have the inside track on the 4th seed for two reasons. One is that we have defeated Miami twice with the last meeting coming in Atlanta after we have 2 days rest. Also, Miami has to play 4 more conference games (and 4 more road games) to end the season. With 5-6 teams competing for the 8th seed, there will be many teams with a lot on the line in these next 4-5 weeks. I don’t see the Heat going 12-4 (which is what they will need to do if we go 8-7). So let’s assume that we finish with the 4th seed and 47 wins.
Barring a 4-0 playoff sweep and a meltdown with a player or two, Woody is coming back. In some cities, a fan base that sees their coach win 10 more games, have a very good home record, improve 4 playoff spots and host a first round playoff series would be very excited about their head coach. There wouldn’t be complaints about playing more 2nd round draft picks (or undrafted free agents). No complaints about holding players accountable when they stray from the correct path. Few issues with an offense that is usually good enough to score 98 points/game (we average 96 points in our losses which suggests that our defense is most often the cause for our defeats). I’m sure Boston fans had issues last year with Doc and Cavs fans may dog Mike Brown this season but I’m guessing those coaches enjoy an overall favorable rating from their fan bases. The same is not true in Atlanta.
Anyway, as a charter blog member of the “Fire Woody” fan club, I have come to the realization that Woody has earned another year on the riding lawn-mower. His grass is lush, green and has fewer brown spots than the vast majority of houses in the neighborhood. You may want to stop focusing on the crab grass and small patches and recognize that the grass may not be any greener somewhere else.
Melvin
March 15th, 2009
8:17 pm
Astro Joe, good points on Woody. Even if your scenario plays out it still doesn’t make Woody untouchable. There have been been coaches (and some HOF worthy) that has gotten the pink slip with a better body of work than Woody. Heck, Jimmy Johnson (I know, different sport) got ran out of Dallas after winning the Superbowl. Now you want to suggest that we can’t fire a coach that has a under .500 winning record? This is not a catch 22 in my eyes. Has Woody improve over the course of his tenure, YES he did. Does, this mean Sund have to bring him back as Coach for next season, NO he doesn’t. Its totally up to Sund (and maybe micromanagers ASG)….
HB Ando
March 15th, 2009
9:35 pm
Was this Hawks recovery as simple as a home-stand and Joe Johnson redirecting his recent string of moping (as suggested by repeated games where his on-court body language couldn’t have been much more negative)? Probably a combination of the two and some trigger that might have been Woody’s spat with Josh (this run DID start the game after Woody benched Josh and we lost to the Bobcats).
I’ve got more to say about all this, but I’d be using up my intended material for the next blog………….
Najeh Davenpoop
March 15th, 2009
10:41 pm
Ray, to add to the points you made in your blog post, Woody has also started sitting Joe at the end of the first and third quarters regularly, so that he can get extended periods of rest between quarters without actually having his minutes reduced. So although Joe is still playing close to his regular 40 minutes, Woody is doing a much better job of budgeting those minutes to get him the most continuous rest possible.
Astro Joe, what you imply is true, that although Woody is flawed it’s very possible that firing him will result in an even worse coach being hired (like Jim Mora replacing Dan Reeves in 2004 for the Falcons). I’m no fan of Woody, but I do give him credit that a) he is slowly beginning to do some of the things we’ve all been wanting him to do for a few years now, and b) he has reached the point as a coach where his replacement is nowhere near guaranteed to do better than him if he’s fired.
HB Ando
March 15th, 2009
11:25 pm
Najeh, you bring up a point that I’ve been highlighting with various folks in recent discussions: the value of potentially replacing Woody is only as solid as the quality of his replacement. If the ASG is limited in its financial flexibility, going forward, then how much of a “sure thing” can they afford? I just don’t see them spending the $3-5 million (or more), annually, that it would take to lure a can’t miss coach. And one has to only look as far as Larry Brown’s brief tenure in New York to confirm that there is no such thing as a “can’t miss”. So if the byproduct of a limited budget, for Woody’s plausible replacement, is an up-and-coming assistant coach, can there be any guarantee that such a hire is certain to improve the potential of the Hawks’ franchise?
I guess a lot of this depends on how these guys close out the season (and post-season). Ongoing questions about Woody losing these guys can be answered (and if you are to take the results of the last five games, there’s a pretty solid argument that he HAS NOT) from this point forward.
Personnel decisions will be equally impactful on the future (the Hawks appear to be a couple of good off-season moves from further improvement, while equally plausible is the thought that a couple of poor off-season decisions could lead to a disheartening plateau and decline-see Chicago Bulls).
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2009
9:25 am
Melvin, I agree, that there are examples but most are rooted in the coach going in the wrong direction. Dumars operates from a perspective that winning the conference is the standard and anything less gets you fired. He can do that after watching his team to go 5 straight conference finals (I think that is accurate). It’s like a classic line graph and in Detroit, the line was headed in the wrong direction. In the case of the Hawks, the line is clearly going up. You don’t buy any stock at $20… you buy the one that appears to be going up from $20 not down from $20.
I’m the last guy to say that Woody should get a 3-4 year extension and that he will ultimately take us to the promise land. I don’t believe that at all. But he has pushed the right buttons this season. Maybe the internal fight was the right button. Maybe the home-stand is the real reason for the resurgence. All I know is that despite the forecasts from the national “pundits” and the pessimism from most bloggers (hey, I only predicted 42 wins so I was happily wrong like most around these parts), this team is “shocking the world” a year after falling 48 minutes short of “shocking the world”. And I think dude should get some appreciation from the liar’s table for ending our “long-suffering”. But some have been wearing the long-suffering label so long that they refuse to adorn the “4th seed/homecourt playoff” wardrobe. I think I look DARN good in my “I am a fan of a quality NBA team that is securing a homecourt playoff berth” attire. My wife told me that I’m beginning to look a little more like Denzel with each and every Hawks victory. Ya’ll can walk around looking like Dennis Rodman if you want.
KevinA
March 16th, 2009
10:35 am
I would give Woody another one year deal with a nice bonus with the option of changing my mind after the play offs. If we get into the second round a two year contract would be fair. If we go farther than that then I would agree a 3-4 year deal is a justified pay off.
I also predicted 42 wins and am happy I shot to low. I am still trying to be realistic about the tough games ahead. We have some great match ups ahead and it will be tough to go over 50%. Once again I hope I’m wrong and we’ll do better.
Ray, love the post
I think most of like increased use of the bench. We can only hope this continues when Marvin returns. The team seems to be getting better at situational awareness. Flip was 1-6 and was smart enough quit shooting. This has been a problem in the past. JJ and Bibby would have a higher shooting percentage if they would pass more when they are having off nights.
The improved play of multiple players means the Hawks don’t have to rely on the back court. Fan-em and feed-em should be the new motto. Our front court has proved the ability to take over parts of games. ZaZa has proven his worth while Al has taken his game to another level. If every one on the Hawks team gives Josh a hug and gives him 13 shot attempts he can go double double every night. Al dosen’t need the hug but he has earned the right for 13 attempts as well.
I believe we have a ways to go in exploiting this area but the signs are encouraging. JJ and Bibby need to feed and fan these studs.
One area Woody could do better at is playing Acie against quicker guards. When Bibby is hot he can offset great PG’s but we need Acie’s defense when Bibby is not shooting so well. There is still time to work with Acie on his consistency before the play offs. Were going to need him confident and happy.
Speaking of happy, the chemistry of the Hawks is evident. The psychological wizard that is Josh has cleared the air and more team ball is the result. All of us are human and need encouragement and support. Woody is the hard boss that rarely likes to dish it out. Lets hope he’ll chill a little and feed the good vibes. I think giving bench players even 3-4 minutes in important games gives them the feeling their needed and important to the teams success. Fanning this chemistry is done through minutes. When Marvin comes back we can only hope the bench is not forgotten.
O'brien
March 16th, 2009
11:46 am
I am not a Woody fan, but I must say that since Marvin got injured, he has done a much better job of using the bench. I hope Marvin is able to make it back before the playoffs, and I hope Woody keeps it up.
I think Woody will be here next season, and based on team results, I am okay with that, especially if the Hawks win their first round playoff series.
If the Hawks make it to the Eastern Conference finals, then Woody will have earned at least another 2 or 3 year deal.
Heat Check
March 16th, 2009
12:23 pm
I agree that Woody has been making some MUCH needed adjustments (if increasing font was an option, that “much” wouldn’t fit on your monitor) since Marvin went down, but I’m far from sold on him as the coach this team needs.
As far as the sudden increase in bench minutes, this is typical Woodson. It’s nice while it lasts, but it’ll come to an abrupt halt once Marvin returns. The number of games these guys have spent as DNPs or seeing the court for 1-2mins over the past couple years is ridiculous. The bench isn’t utilized, it’s dealt with only because the starters can’t play 48min.
doc
March 16th, 2009
12:55 pm
since i am not a woody hater i will say that whoever is has another year of misery. feel he has done a suitable job and manages crisis well even if he is part of the reason for it. also like his feeling it during games managing games with more substitution patterns. now that marvin is out it has challeneged him to get it right and if it isnt to make a quick change. i think he could have done this all year very effectively and we might be sitting higher in the standings. i still look back to the nets game where josh is guarding vince and wondered uh WHY! i mentioned maybe mario should have been the pest and folks said gee he might have fouled him. he alos could have denied him the ball. yes it was a lucky or great shot, doesnt matter it went in. those are the situations that woody has failed to negotiate the bumps. now that marvin is out he is forced to so what he has been reluctant to do and use his bench and finding it isnt so bad. still got to say solo has the best touch between zaza, al and josh.
anyway got to give woody credit as he continues to get some more out of these guys when it looks to be darkest. i am also mighty glad josh whispered in his ear the other night, woke the mutha up. he might even look back and thank josh for the extension he gets. josh and horford are still the guys this team cannot live without, flat bottom line. woody better keep them happy if he want s more meals, be a fool otherwise.
JOSH = MVP !
my goodness my computer has a virus, look out it might spread. heh heh no telling where it might show up next.
btw i really like this team and the players. it has been fun to watch them live. give it a try guys, come and see some games.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2009
1:02 pm
KevinA,
I appreciate the shout-out. And I agree on the rest of this season (and post-season) being a big factor in determining the future of Woodson with this team. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: a second round playoff series for us is a blank check for Woody (maybe). A first round loss is a nail in his coffin.
As my esteemed (or despised, depending on who you are) pal Ando says, one really good year only goes so far, and Woody IS still on a 2-year contract. The only pitfall remaining for Woodson is this scenario:
Hawks go to this year’s playoffs and make it to the second round. Inevitable roster moves happen during the offseason. The Hawks endure a less successful season in 2009-2010. Woody is on the block.
And it’s really that simple. We don’t know what our roster will look like next year. Marvin could be gone. Bibby could be gone. Others as well. And who knows if JJ will stay. Again, Woody’s contract is good through the end of NEXT season. It’s the perfect plan if you’re a GM who wants to shape this franchise into your OWN image, and get your OWN coach in here. Seen it happen before. And it doesn’t matter what bad/questionable moves the GM makes. Was not Sam Mitchell “Coach of The Year” once? I rest my case….
Having said that, all possibilities abound. Woody could be here for the next 5-6 years. As long as we’re winning and improving….
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2009
1:02 pm
doc, maybe the agreement in Charlotte was that Woody would coach like an NBA coach once Josh started playing like an NBA PF. And the first one to stop doing their job would have to leave town (like one of those old Dick Slater vs. Junkyard Dog loser leave town… and come back as a masked wrestler… matches). So let’s see what happens first, if Woody asks Flip to defend Kevin Martin for 20 minutes or if Smith jacks up 3 3s in a half.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2009
2:32 pm
Astro Joe,
Coaches come and go. Most of us are fans of this Hawks team, and we LOVE this team, regardless of who is on the sidelines.
As for our coach, I’ll think about wrestling you for the shotgun seat on your bandwagon when the grass can stay green for longer than a few games at a time.
By the way, did your wife say you are looking more and more like Denzel…or he’s looking more and more like YOU?
Big Ray
March 16th, 2009
2:40 pm
Holy crap, Joe.
I sure hope you’re wrong about that one. Still, that’s one funny analogy!
Regardless of injuries, we know now what it takes to compete and win:
1)Keep JJ from having to do the pg duties. He can’t score like we need him to when he’s doing that.
2)Run the offense through the frontcourt (and through players other than JJ) enough to where teams cannot double up on JJ without paying the price.
3)If Bibby is hot and the other team cannot deal with him, run screens for him and feed him the ball. If he’s not, let him rest.
4)Use Law as a change of pace. He penetrates and dishes the ball well, and handles the ball mistake-free. He allows guys like JJ and Flip to do their job as scorers. Not only that, but he defends the oppsing pg rather well.
5)Use Mario West to disrupt the other team. He will be very active on both ends of the court, tiring out opponents, and will lose you nothing on offense when he comes out of the game.
6)Sit JJ, Bibby, and Josh at the end of quarters (except the 4th) whenever possible, keeping them fresh.
7)Feed whoever is in a rhythm until the defense forces you elsewhere.
…and so on. Again, continuing this is the key.
niremetal
March 16th, 2009
2:54 pm
Ray,
As usual, you seem right on. I think Sam Mitchell is the perfect analogy for Woody. Indeed, with the exception of Pop out in San Antonio, there seems to be a curse that follows coaches who win COY – they all seem to “hit the ceiling” the year they win the award, and none of them seem to stick around for more than a year or two afterwards. Not saying that Woody will (or should) win COY, but even the most cynical observer of the Hawks has to admit that he’ll be in the running if the Hawks finish with 47+ wins and the 4-spot in the East. The question then becomes whether he can take them to the next level…
If anything, I’d like to see Woody try more bench rotations – maybe mixing in a little Tom Gardner every once in awhile when the team is having trouble putting points on the board.
And because I think everyone needs to see this twice:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Kobe-and-Artest-The-lost-trash-talk-audio;_ylt=AvtC7JtM8AaWFHtokAHKswW8vLYF?urn=nba,147982
richbrave
March 16th, 2009
3:22 pm
As soon as HAYWOOD went down October last I said HAWKS and WIZ would trade positions in the standings at the end of the 2008-2009 season. Well, I guess the HAWKS at four look good, but the WIZ – oh my. I knew they would tumble, but this is ridiculous. BTW, they just shot themselves in the proverbial foot vying for the most lottery balls in the BLAKE GRIFFIN sweeps by beating SACRAMENTO. Fell from one back to third in the picking order. This late in the season its too much to hope that BOTH the CLIPPERS and KINGS would win 2 and 3 respectively on the way out of this miserable season.
J-CRIT continues to get my vote, and grows in the eyes of the posting faithful on the WIZARDS blogs.
Big Ray
March 16th, 2009
3:34 pm
Niremetal,
I finally went to that link. That was SOOOOO funny! Oh damn, that was funny. I had to play it, like, 3 more times.
On the subject of Woody. Hey, if we finish strong to 47 wins and the 4th seed, he’s definitely in the running. (I hate to see what Samuel would do if he won, but luckily I don’t live anywhere near him and won’t be embarrassed
).
But here’s the deal: I’d rather have a guy who can take us to the next level. If that’s Woody, then great. If it ain’t….
MannyT
March 16th, 2009
3:59 pm
Sure Woody has done well since Marvin’s injury and Josh’s dust up. I’ll give him coach of week credit. Moooo
Woody = COW
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2009
4:23 pm
Ray, I may have to hop aboard Sam’s hoopty. Goodness knows, I’m not a big Woody fan but I can’t overlook the facts. And I think I am soooo tired of the constant complaining that it has pushed me to the other side… being the natural contrarian that I am. The only difference from most blog entries from this season vs. maybe two years ago is the lack of discussion about the draft. But it still reads like we’re about to finish with 30 wins based on many posts between your blog and Sekou’s. I guess is all part of the disbelief of going from perpetual loser to a respectable team. But I don’t expect this to happen next season (due to economic issues beyond the dysfunctional ASG mess) so I don’t want to sit here and complain about the warts on a team that has maintained a lock on the 4th slot for almost the entire season. (Not after sitting thru the past 8-9 seasons). I’ll enjoy the hoopty ride now because there is absolutely no reason to believe it will be available next season.
doc
March 16th, 2009
4:44 pm
gee, aj are you bi? astro to anakin and back again, anti then pro wooody. dern dude you sure you didnt say to your wife, hon you are looking better than denzel? heh heh, switch hitter if i ever saw one.
i hope you or ray werent drinking coffee on that one.
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2009
4:53 pm
doc, I thought you would appreciate someone who can alter their opinion based on facts. Even though I was the one who offered “organic growth” to the blog world, I can’t say that we went from 30-37-48? wins strictly due to player development or limited roster moves.
The Hawks are like the girl you knew from high school. On a really good day, she was average but mostly, you avoided her because she wasn’t quite up to par. But a few years later, you see her again. Now are you going to continue to act like she is that unattractive girl from high school or will you stop and realize that mother nature has paid her some very kind visits since last you saw her? Not every girl is fine at the age of 16… sometimes the curves don’t kick in until a few years later. But when they do, you need to recognize, son. Recognize and respond appropriately!
niremetal
March 16th, 2009
6:11 pm
Astro,
Man, some days I just read the blog to see your analogies. You’re a trip, my friend!
doc
March 16th, 2009
6:17 pm
aj, agree. also, might say, misery likes company from time to time. growth is what is all about in the end anyway. well i am on the wagon and have been this season. fun time to be a hawks fan. folks better come out. dont know if it will be one and done. enjoy it while it lasts.
Samuel
March 16th, 2009
6:21 pm
Cuz,
You must not be reading my posts(before Marvin’s Injury). Yall thought I was kidding when I said that Acie would see more time down the stretch.
Doc, I aint forgot about you.
Samuel
March 16th, 2009
5:47 pm
Doc,
Sorry it took me so long to respond to your post.
Yes, I did take the time to read the article. It was an ok article. A bit long and boring. Reminded me too much of Ray and (prebirth) Ando’s stuff. I just can’t get too excited about a guy named Wojnarowski being an expert on basketball. You know me.
The article pretty much talked about how unprepared a high school boy from a “cow” town like Starkville was in coming to the bright lights of the NBA. The guy, Bobby Hurley was trying to prepare him to match up with a mature 30 year old “grown ass” man, LeBron James. What rookie wouldn’t be lost.
The article mentioned a learning disability one time towards the end:
“Too many times in this league, they’ll dismiss a guy as, ‘Oh, he can’t think,’ or ‘he’s learning disabled,’ when you could take the time to help him learn,” Williams said.
“Too many times” means that it has been done before. Like I said, there are plenty of professional athletes and professional everything else, including MD’s, who have succeeded with learning disabilities. I don’t know if Travis really has a learning disability or not but I do know that many are being misdiagnosis. If you doubt me, spend a few days in the public schools.
What really “pissed” me off about your little sermon was:
“he would be out of the league with another coach and on the street otherwise”.
Doc, what may I ask were you “implying” in that statement? Is it that Outlaw is a thug maybe and that if it weren’t for basketball he’d be “on the streets”?
I don’t personally know Travis or his family but I have seen him play high school ball many times. I also know that he is a very respectable and humble young man. He actually has a “real” family with a good support system so I doubt he would be on the streets right now, even without basketball.
Furthermore, I don’t believe the Blazers have done any more than any other organization would do if they drafted a guy right out of high school and invested Millions into him. I’m sure he’s not the only rookie who has been given extra practice time. Give me a break.
“samuel, i know you will shove it down my throat if we win tomorrow. just the same i will be very vocal that we win. anyway it will be only one game. mcmillan has a better record”.
Doc, I haven’t even seen the game but from what I can understand, there’s not much to shove in your face. Woody and the Hawks “owned” Mc and the Blazers.
Woody=COY
Diego
March 16th, 2009
6:23 pm
Just read the column and haven’t ready any of the other posts yet, but I couldn’t agree more with the column guys. Great review–particularly regarding the strong defense by Acie, who with his speed, muscle and tenacity, is really helping against guys like Paul and Deron Williams. Just hope Woody doesn’t get too cute with his subbing–against the Pacers, there were times in the first half, where we just didn’t have enough scorers in. Acie still needs to also shoot a bit more.
welikebaseball2
March 16th, 2009
6:51 pm
Yes, it took an injury to a starter for this to happen! No, Woody was not going to do it anyway! No, Woody will not continue his prudent use of the bench if/when Marvin returns to the lineup! No, Woody will not show much trust to these bench players in the playoffs! Yes, he will use them for garbage minutes!
ant banks
March 16th, 2009
7:06 pm
RAY
graat post. based on your comments and the steady improvement of this team over the past 4 years, do you think that sund will can woody after the season is over? could you put an end to this insanity?
also, we need to reevaluate our thoughts on bknight. maybe he knew what he was doin’ by draftin’ a team full of athletic forwards. we pose match-up problems for teams on a nightly basis.
lastly, ray, i honestly think that we can make it to the Eastern Conference finals. my coworkers think that i am an idiot. AM I?
Big Ray
March 16th, 2009
8:14 pm
Ant,
You’re not an idiot. When we play like we are now, we really can (and do) beat anybody. The issue is that we don’t always play like that, and Woody doesn’t always caoch the way he is now. Also, getting to the Eastern Conference Finals requires some serious strategy, because opposing teams/coaches will be doing anything and everything they can to find an advantage/weakness and exploit it. Woody has to be ready to outthink the opposition.
As for canning Woody, like I said: an appearance in the 2nd round of the playoffs probably earns him an extension if the following year is acceptable. A loss? Curtains, bro’, curtains….
Astro Joe,
Fair enough man. We should enjoy this season. But you say that there is no reason to believe that next season could be this good. Well, I’d say there is no reason to believe it won’t. But hey, I don’t want to bait a natural contrarian….
Samuel,
“Cuz?” Did you accidentally show up to the blog hosted by the two Hawks fans you hate the most (well, besides Doc, considering the accusation you just leveled at him)? Be that as it may, rest assured, we enjoyed the victory against Portland as much as you did.
As for Acie, I recall you making several unflattering remarks about him all season. I don’t recall you making ANY comments about him getting playing time down the stretch run <until it was actually happening. But hey, if I missed those posts, forgive me. I don’t catch everything, despite my lengthy attention span.
KevinA
March 16th, 2009
9:25 pm
Art, when drafting, It is smart to pick the best player with the most upside potential. When it comes to Marvin there is much debate. I think Bk was not trying to fill slots as much as getting the best player.
Ray, I think were giving Woody to much credit. While we pine about the addition of Mario and a couple of Acie sightings, I don’t think he is a changed man. He will play these guys, but I have a feeling there on a very short leash. I go to ZaZa for the example. He was ready to play bigger minutes way before he was allowed to after his injury. I actually think he should play more. One of them deals where if Josh or Al is not on top of their game, ZaZa plays the same minutes. Why?
We all complain about Woody not playing situational substitution. The starters are not benched early enough and often enough their play is off and lack of minutes for bench players who are hot and performing. While the starters like it, I think we miss opportunities to develop players off the bench and give to much comfort to the starters regardless of how there playing. This is not an effort thing, it’s a production thing.
I could be wrong but Josh might have been upset about the double standard between himself and the back court. Josh gets the “look” and the chew while the golden boys of the back court get a “their game was off tonight”. What do you think Acie thinks?
The air seems to have cleared and the Hawks are rolling. I hope Woody doesn’t throw a stick into the gears by doing what is normal to him. Maybe he is a mind master mine. I just think he’s old school. Even if it isn’t right and even if Woody is unfair, if we get the fourth seed and advance to the second round, Give the man a raise.
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2009
10:10 pm
Ray, in this economy, I can’t blame any business owner in any industry for trying to reduce expenses. Hawks will lose around $20M in salaries this summer and I don’t expect them to replace all $20M worth of players/talent. And I expect most teams will look to cut costs. We saw what happened in baseball (Garrett Anderson for less than $3M? Insane). And I think football free agents will see similar contracts get slashed. We’ll see, but I think the purse strings may be ultra-tight in the summer and we may have to fight with plastic knives. So I’m going to enjoy our payroll and playoff-bound team, NOW.
Astro Joe
March 16th, 2009
10:12 pm
Sorry, but did Ant just suggest that the Hawks may make the Eastern Conference Finals AND Woody should be fired? WTF?
Ed
March 16th, 2009
10:29 pm
One of the biggest differences since Marvin got hurt is moving JJ to the 3 spot which changes the dynamic of the offense. This means he gets the ball closer to the basket & not always at the 3-pt line in the guard position. It has forced the Hawks away from ISO Joe on the perimeter…now when he gets the ball he’s dealing from the wing postition. Of course if Marvin comes back, all bets are off…
Samuel
March 17th, 2009
12:13 am
I must be losing it. Did I post on Hawks Hack. Ray,Sorry I called you Cuz.
doc
March 17th, 2009
7:14 am
samuel, sometimes you are the “last to know” in things like this. heh heh, too much time in a frozen banana is my diagnosis. freezes the brain cells until they thaw in april. you will get over it.
doc
March 17th, 2009
7:37 am
or maybe it was the man crush on woody began. the woody= coy gave it away bro.
JOSH = MVP !
Astro Joe
March 17th, 2009
8:47 am
niremetal, we are all blessed with talents. Mine is the ability to take really stupid analogies that are essentially meaningless and make them mildly entertaining. It’s a heavy burden to bear. With great power comes a big utility bill.
MannyT
March 17th, 2009
9:55 am
Peter Parker: [voiceover] Whatever life holds in store for me, I will never forget these words: “With great power comes great responsibility.” This is my gift, my curse. Who am I? I’m Spider-man.
Spider Joe, Spider Joe
He’s the man,
In the know.
Got a topic
any size
He is ready to
Analogize
Look Out
Here comes the Spider Joe
Melvin
March 17th, 2009
10:09 am
LMAO, MannyT
Astro Joe
March 17th, 2009
10:23 am
Manny’s unique talents shine through BRIGHTLY again! LOL!
Melvin
March 17th, 2009
10:31 am
Doc, I think I’m going to buy you a Josh Smith jersey…. KISS CAM..
Melvin
March 17th, 2009
10:31 am
Correction Dod, make that 2 Josh Smith jersey (1 large, 1 small)… I said KISS CAM….
Melvin
March 17th, 2009
10:32 am
Correction Doc, make that 2 Josh Smith jersey (1 large, 1 small)… I said KISS CAM….
MannyT
March 17th, 2009
10:54 am
Kiss cam moments that I would love to see if they ever happened
Woody & Josh
Ando & BK
Ray & kirknga
Salim & Woody
Belkin & BK
mykhalc & Woody
Maybe we can get them on Jerry Springer or Maury or something instead.
No MannyT at the Sactown game tonight. Y’all have fun w/o me. I’m sure we’ll win as Woody = COW
BWAF
Melvin
March 17th, 2009
11:26 am
MannyT, I thought Woody was COW last week. Is he on a 2 week streak? 1 more week, he may be COM. Coach of the Month….
WAF
CONZY
March 17th, 2009
11:59 am
Acie didn’t play good defense in the New Orleans game and that is why he came out. He was completely lost on a pick and roll with Chris Paul and Tyson Chandler late in the 3rd quarter. He didn’t switch like he was supposed to which meant Josh had to pick up on Chandler when he rolled to the hoop. This left David West wide open for a 15 footer. Watch the tape, you can see Horford correct him on court and then one of the asst. coaches pulls him aside during a time out to explain it. Acie doesn’t play good team defense and that is why his minutes are limited. It isn’t HIS man that ends up scoring, it is the guy left open when the team defense breaks down.
O'brien
March 17th, 2009
12:31 pm
CONZY, You pick one example from a game with Chris Paul, who happens to be the best PG in the league, and that’s your reasoning for saying Acie doesnt play good team defense?
So what kind of defense does Bibby play? If Bibby is not scoring, he is a major liability because JJ is forced to guard Bibby’s man, and Bibby does not break defenses down. And even when Bibby is off (offensively and defensively), he still gets his 36 minutes. So how can you say Acie’s minutes are limited because he doesnt play good team defense?
Rick D.
March 17th, 2009
1:10 pm
Woodson done a painful but great job with each passing season. The only knock I have had on Woodson is he will not have confidence in or use his bench beyond his veteran players. He has allot of talent deep into his bench but only uses it in garbage time or when forced to do so by injuries. if he wants to lead this team to the next level he has got to put these guys on the floor and let them develop into the talented players they are.
Darrin "The Vent King"
March 17th, 2009
1:41 pm
Its about freaking time…not only have the fans been screaming for Milk Dud Head to use his bench more, but now hearing that even his assistants have being doing the same is annoying. That is a mark of a coach who is not in tune with his team/staff and suffering from tunnel-vision. That “I only I know what to do” mentality has destroyed many a upstart regimes in this league. I can see if he had the pedigree and record of someone like the Spur’s Popovich or the Laker’s Phil Jackson, but what has Woody done to make him think he is the master of all he surveys? What? Just cause you used to coach with Larry Brown? Get real- you better start listening to your peeps before they end up talking to another head coach, the writing is on the wall and new GMs and old coachs don’t usually last for long. I don’t know what happened, but I am glad SOMEONE (Gund maybe?) was finally able to convince him to put “Super” Mario in the game and give The Law, and Solo J some playing time. If he can keep doing that and squash his very personal beef with Josh Smith (these two were NEVER meant to be together and one of them HAS to go) this team will have a chance to make some noise in the playoffs and take a step forward.
GO HAWKS!!!
D.Carter
March 17th, 2009
3:33 pm
The difference has been on defense, where i have noticed the hawks are switching the pick and rolls and immediately hard doubling the post, which forces the opposing team to make the extra pass and swing the ball, which cause more turnovers, shot clock violations, and fast break oppourtunities for the hawks…. That along with throwing the ball down into the post more to initiate the offense has cut down on the hawks turnovers and we are also shooting more FREE THROWS as a team…. Thats playoff basketball…. If we can keep going aggressively to the basket and drawing fouls it makes us a much better team…. We are as athletic as any team in the league…. We just need to cut down on the 3pt attempts and continue to draw and kick via the post up or drive penetration then kick to get OPEN 3′S, thats what the good teams do make every possesion count…. also by using his bench players such as acie, ZA za , Solo, and mario those guys will get those HUSTLE POINTS and extra possesions, second shots etc…. If we can follow this blueprint into the playoffs we can be very competetive in the 2nd round no matter who we face……
MannyT
March 17th, 2009
5:23 pm
Melvin, if he can win at Cleveland on Saturday, I’ll give him another COW. You are correct that I jumped the gun. He’s actually a small school of COD (coach of day) that can transform into a COW by the end of the week.
No bonus recognition for beating a 10 win team tonight. This game only has downside risk. I’ll probably spend as much time watching the Big Dance Battle for the Bottom.
http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncb/preview?gameId=290762011
BWAF
Mike B.
March 17th, 2009
6:43 pm
This is why I like this site. Very knowledgable posts (and some just random, lol). Totally agree with the long need to go to our bench. After all, that’s what they are there for. I hope our current play continues into the playoffs and next year. (Not to mention how interesting this offseason will be with Marvin, Bibby, ZaZa, and Flip who I think is on a 1 year deal. Does the baseline bandit fit in our future? who knows. Not to forget the ASG situation and everyone saving money for the 2010 FA period). I’m a notorious Woody basher and can’t bring myself to say “I like Woody” or “He’s doing a good job”. The most I can say is “I like the way he has our team playing and the use of ALL of our players”. Woodson, that’s the most I can give you at the moment. Let’s hold off the opponents and get this home court. As it stands now, I think we could give Cleveland a serious run in round 2 if things stay as they are.
KevinA
March 17th, 2009
7:34 pm
We’ll that was ugly. Lucky to be down 5.
Big Ray
March 17th, 2009
7:56 pm
MannyT and Astro Joe are off the chain…..
Well, the Kings certainly gave us the wake-up call rather quickly.
Sautee
March 17th, 2009
8:18 pm
Mrs. Sautee said early on that Horford was on his way to a triple double. How great it is to have a wife that not only pays attention to the games, but is knowledgeable and conversant. Lucky me.
Big Ray
March 17th, 2009
8:33 pm
Whooeee, it’s the Josh and Al show. No JJ needed, apparently. He deserves a break anyhow.
KevinA
March 17th, 2009
8:33 pm
Man, what is up with all the turn overs.
KevinA
March 17th, 2009
8:34 pm
Don’t know about a night off, he’s missed 9.
KevinA
March 17th, 2009
8:35 pm
Why does JJ have the most minutes when he’s off?
Big Ray
March 17th, 2009
8:48 pm
Indeed. Lucky you.
Big Ray
March 17th, 2009
8:49 pm
Good question, Kevin.
At least Bibby’s on. And J-Smoove is rockin’!
KevinA
March 17th, 2009
9:36 pm
Ray, I’m missing your end of the game wrap up.
Big Ray
March 17th, 2009
9:47 pm
Now that’s what I’m talkin’ about. We beat those guys silly on the boards, which always helps.
Josh and Al continue to rule the hardwood. I thought Al was going to get a triple double for a minute there. It’s nice to see so much of the offense going through these guys, rather than watching them get lost in the shuffle. One of the biggest dividends paid is that this frees up JJ to do his thing one-on-one, and even on a night that he struggles, the team can still win.
It was good to see Bibby getting his stroke back. As I said a few blogs ago, we’re still going to need that from him as the season comes to a close, and when the playoffs start.
Nice to see Woody continuing the prudent use of his bench. Mario provides a spark, and Law looks solid by the numbers alone. Nice to see he has some confidence in his shot. I think the two turnovers he had are the first two he’s had in the last 5 or 6 games, if not more. You gotta love that!
Is it just me, or does it seem like Thomas Gardner has yet to meet a 3 point shot he didn’t like? LOL! Watch him, he’s a gunner, and may well be a guy we can seriously make use of in the future.
Nice win, Hawks. Nice indeed. 40 wins, and 2 more gives us our first winning season in years. Let’s do it!
Wabe
March 17th, 2009
10:44 pm
Good win tonite. Now I’m hoping we can take care of business at home thursday vs. Dallas. A 7-0 homestand would be great for the Hawks. It’s given us some breathing room with miami on our backs. IF we can get past dallas thursday…that sets up a BIG GAME AT Clevland saturday. Not trying to look ahead…but i think both teams will be on 7 game win streaks if they both take care of business in these upcoming games. LETS GO HAWKSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wabe
March 17th, 2009
10:48 pm
And to whoever is second guessing JJ, i think he’s earned as many minutes as the coach plays him. Sure he was off, but the best way to get it going is to make a couple buckets. He cant do that sitting on the bench.
By the way, yes he was off, but he wasn’t playing selfish simply deflating our chances to win. He had a couple silly turnovers, but he played through it…distributed the rock…set up JSmoove for a couple easy slams. No need to bench him..
richbrave
March 17th, 2009
11:51 pm
WOW, 40 and counting. Looks like my prognostication of 45 wins will be exceeded by a bunch. Who was it before the season that said 50 wins was golden? A true visionary – maybe.
HB Ando
March 18th, 2009
12:51 am
Kiss Cam I’d like to see (and coincidentally, since Ray says they are both “off the chain”):
Manny T and Astro Joe (because it would require them to be in the same place at the same time, thus confirming or correcting my theory that they are actually the same man; and yes, I know I’ve met you both in person; and, no, don’t even think about letting Sam, or anyone else, go there…..).
Let’s be frank: the Hawks have 40 wins, with 14 games to go. That IS the number of total wins I predicted, so congrats to the organization, and all I can say is “play every one of the remaining 14 games like it’s your last”, as seasons like these shouldn’t be taken for granted, and it’s up to this team to do everything in there collective power to maximize their final outcome.
No point in rolling into the playoffs on a downer, like last season. They are solidly positioned to hold home court for round one, which, given their home record, should make a second-round appearance realistic. If you make it to the second round, anything is possible.
Of course reality suggests that the Hawks have neither the size at center, nor the defensive quickness at the point, to really challenge the Celtics, Cavs or Magic. But that’s why they don’t play these playoff series on paper.
As I asked during the first six games of this season, “who are these guys?!”……….
HB Ando
March 18th, 2009
1:07 am
And since Ray’s post highlights the “Strength(in) Numbers”, tonight’s box offers a paradox of perceived value.
Bibby’s numbers seem to support a major bounce-back night, with 18 points, 7 dimes and 5 boards, and impressive shooting percentages. But his 36 minutes were also quantified by a +3.
Then there is Acie Law, continuing to make the most of his recent inclusion in the rotation. It would be easy to miss his 19-minute stint, with 5 points, 5 boards, 3 dimes, a steal and a block. But what is hard to avoid is his +/- of 26 points, which is a pretty significant number when you consider that he only got 19 minutes of burn.
Do you credit Woody for cleverly “finding” Law, languishing on his bench, when Marvin’s injury demanded a deeper rotation? Or do you wonder why the heck Woody has failed to utilize this former lottery pick, until forced to do so in the last six games (coincidence that we’ve played some of the best ball of the season since Marvin went out?)?
Hard to say. Guess we’ll see if Woody cleverly leverages his bench straight through the playoffs.
Dallas brings a serious challenge tomorrow night. Can’t wait to see if the Hawks can maintain momentum and extend their run of great play.
Can’t wait to see if Big Ray shows, either…….
Big Ray
March 18th, 2009
9:02 am
Ando,
I’m getting there one dang way or another, if I have to rob a scalper in the parking lot. Ever been jacked by the Po-Po?
Just playin’, but I’m there. Somehow.
Samuel,
Hey, once I saw the “Cuz”, I figured you mistook this spot for Sekou’s, since that’s what you always call him. Not that I can compare to the legendary SS, but you know what I’m sayin’. Hey, post all you can or want here, “COY” and everything. The more the merrier, and all regulars are appreciated, all the time. Funny thing is, if the Hawks finish off the season in extra fine fashion, you might get to serve us ALL a big, steaming plate of a certain noisy, ugly black bird….Na’ mean?
MannyT,
Nossir. Can’t do it. No kiss-camming with the Kirk (or any other dude). I’m cool with him, but if I’m on KISS CAM, its with Mrs. Big Ray. And if that’s the case, you’re going to get a show…
Astro Joe
March 18th, 2009
10:23 am
No, Ando. I’m no switch-hitter. Manny is clever as heck and I enjoy reading his comments but I don’t have a bro-mance with anyone (although if Horford keeps this performance up I may have to go out and find a number 15 jersey).
I know this is the Hakws Hack blog but many of you are Braves fans as well. Are you all believing this spring training performance? I’m on the fence about getting my hopes up for the Bravos. Thoughts?
ray
March 18th, 2009
11:29 am
“bro-mance”…..rofl…
KevinA
March 18th, 2009
11:45 am
JJ having an off game, Marvin being out at the same time and getting a win at the same time would not have happened a year ago. I still don’t think we have seen our best game where all players are hitting on all cylinders. Were are very close though. We will need that efficiency during the next 8 games to lock down the fourth seed.
Is there any new update on Marvin? I can’t seem to find anything since the initial reports.
richbrave
March 18th, 2009
1:02 pm
doc:
My wife’s excellent NY adventure has been shortened to two nights and the grand-kids are both in their coming out unis on the diamond this weekend. As a grand-dad I must opt out of my excellent ATLANTA adventure. Sorry my man, family first you know.
MannyT
March 18th, 2009
8:02 pm
I’m not saying that I’m Astro Joe, but I am well prepped for the are those two the same on kiss cam scenario. If you have been in the arena enough–as a season ticket holder would, you know that there are some prerecorded kiss cam segments.
Put one guy in a prerecorded kiss cam and the other in a regular segment.
Astro–take that Rueben Studdard/American Idol jersey thing to the next level. Forget the Horford Jersey. Show your bromance for Al & Josh as they work together as the quickie bigs. Get a 515 jersey. You will be the only guy around that supports the Hawks and central Iowa.
http://www.whitepages.com/maps/IA
DesMoines in the house
BWAF
Clark Kent and Superman both appear in kiss cam!
Yeah, I know it’s not the same as being on the end of the bench together at the end, but since we are not on an NBA team, they won’t show 2 guys together on kiss cam. Identity saved by societal homophobia!
doc
March 18th, 2009
8:31 pm
richie glad all is well. we will miss seeing you in the big a.
aj, too early for me yet to make a call on the braves. could surprise depending on what frenchy does and how chipper stays healthy and whether the left field situation and center field situation stabilizes. way too many question marks and spring is rarely an indication of what is to come.
absolutely think and have not change my mind this wbc is plain stupid as is of the same ilk that gave us aig and swaps. rich get richer and the rest of those that buy into it are bilked.
Astro Joe
March 18th, 2009
10:26 pm
doc & Richbrave, hard to ignore the Braves when it seems like they keep winning pre-season game after pre-season game. It’ll be fun to watch the scene around Kawakami this season.
Manny, Kiss cam may be bogus but the Easter Bunny is real.
doc
March 18th, 2009
10:52 pm
yup aj i have a lot more hope than this time last year. just the same way too many if right now to believe. sure could mean they are starting something and i like some of the new faces. it is the old ones that i worry about including frenchy. i havent seen his new swing but look forward to seeing it. the same guy who is refashioning druw’s swing worked with frenchy for three days. hope that was enough. spring is too fabricated to get a true handle on who can do what for extended innings and games against the best not minor leaguers or pitchers not bringing their best stuff working on other aspects of their games.
a,j i hope we are having this conversation in two months on whether the braves are for real.
do believe hampton will make his comeback now that he isnt saddled with a big contract as maybe andruw will respond for the same reason. it is a huge burden.
HB Ando
March 19th, 2009
12:26 am
OK, so do we have a head count for blog regulars who will show at TacoMac, tomorrow at 5 PM, for a Big Ray sighting? Tomorrow is lining up as a major sports’ watching day, as March Madness leads in at noon, pre-game festivities crank up at 5, and then the Hawks take on the Mavs at 7. May need a vacation on Friday, but don’t tell my wife……..
BA
March 19th, 2009
4:35 am
doc, Frenchy’s swing isn’t the problem- he has to know when NOT to swing, and he appears to be doing that this spring, with mixed results.
With the pitching and stealing Garrett Anderson for a song and a dance, I don’t think it’s going to be another summer in the doldrums.
RichBrave- I called 50 wins. Preseason. And not just to hack off Ando, either- I really believed it. Difference is, I thought Evans would be the baller- it turned out to be Murray.
Seems like we had enough “size at center and defensive quickness at the point” to at least challenge the Celtics in LAST years playoffs…and this team is indisputably better than last year, even without Williams.
MannyT
March 19th, 2009
10:11 am
Count me in for TacoMac, but I may not arrive until 5:30.
You realize that you are deflating the popcorn economy inside the arena to prop up the Taco economy outside of the arena. While the corn farmers remain neutral, the anti-NAFTA lobbyists will be all over you guys for this controversial use of the Hawks Hacks United Stimulus Huddle, yup, that would be the H-HUSH
Almost sounds like a comment from an improper phone caller
I might have access to an extra ticket for tonight–Astro Joe, you interested? I need more new terms like bro-mance to add to my blog-cabulary.
BWAF
Sautee
March 19th, 2009
10:41 am
I’ll be at Taco Mac near 5 with Mrs. Sautee.
Astro Joe
March 19th, 2009
12:01 pm
Manny, I wish I could join you guys, sounds like a historic night in the history of the AJC Hawks blog. Wifey has a company function tonight which leaves me with the little crumb-snatchers. Last time I took them out to hang with my and my boys, they ended up getting into a bar fight. Who knew that my elementary school-aged kids would get mad when the dude at Hooter’s changed the channel from Spoonge-Bob? Anyway, thanks for the offer… maybe next time. Ya’ll have fun and Ando, don’t spend too much money tonight. And you know why… the bill will be due real soon!
doc
March 19th, 2009
2:12 pm
lessons about to be learned, aj?
heh heh bookmark and all. dern play tough, as well you should. no wonder you have been such a switch hitter.
MannyT
March 19th, 2009
2:19 pm
As an official H-HUSH event, isn’t tonight tax deductible for Ray & Ando
AJ, Sorry you can’t make it. The next time you take your kids to Hooters tell them that the waitresses are the Halloween equivalent of Christmas elves. That’s why they wear orange and most of the customers smile as if they are getting presents!
Moral–they better be good or no Halloween candy at the end of October.
MannyT
March 19th, 2009
2:23 pm
Does this Kobe Bryant video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIWeEFV59d4
have something to do with him being excused? hmm….
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/shared-gen/ap/General_Basketball_News/BKN_Bryant_Jury_Duty.html
doc
March 19th, 2009
3:12 pm
though it isnt necessary to say one is better than the other i wonder what is better aj analogies or mannyisms. both very entertaining.
MannyT
March 19th, 2009
3:52 pm
doc, think of it like surf & turf, mixed veggies, or fruit salad…whichever you prefer.
It’s the variety of options, when blended together, that makes it better than having one option.
As for tonight’s game, it is interesting to see how close the two teams are if you look at their records (overall, home & away). Mavs are making a push w/o Josh Howard similar, but not identical to missing Marvin.
doc
March 19th, 2009
5:08 pm
thanks for explaining it to me manny t.
Astro Joe
March 19th, 2009
8:41 pm
Well, I guess the usual Hack crew are enjoying the game live and in living color tonight. Hawks looked GREAT in 2Q now they just need to keep playing tough D to extend this to a 7 game streak.
Astro Joe
March 19th, 2009
8:41 pm
Don’t try to play angry Josh… stay focused.
Astro Joe
March 19th, 2009
8:51 pm
We can’t let JT get hot. NO! NO!
Astro Joe
March 19th, 2009
8:54 pm
Zaza seems to be going thru the motions tonight. Maybe Solo should get a turn to bring some fire.
Astro Joe
March 19th, 2009
8:57 pm
Hawks are getting away with a bunch of fouls tonight.