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		<title>By: virgil leonard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-hawks-blog/2009/01/11/the-bill-comes-due-we-knew-it-would/comment-page-2/#comment-549</link>
		<dc:creator>virgil leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why the front office wont just package a deal together and get a true center in here. we will never be able to compete for a conf. championship with the lineup we have currently. we re not deep on the bench and the the starting five needs some  tweaking. Marvin Williams should be coming off the bench, Zaza needs to go and so does Ronald Morris. they&#039;re just taking up a roster spot. Zaza is a liability on both ends of the floor. And Marvin could only start for the Hawks on any other team he&#039;s a valuable 6th man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why the front office wont just package a deal together and get a true center in here. we will never be able to compete for a conf. championship with the lineup we have currently. we re not deep on the bench and the the starting five needs some  tweaking. Marvin Williams should be coming off the bench, Zaza needs to go and so does Ronald Morris. they&#8217;re just taking up a roster spot. Zaza is a liability on both ends of the floor. And Marvin could only start for the Hawks on any other team he&#8217;s a valuable 6th man.</p>
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		<title>By: Sautee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sautee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey kirknga,

Glad you joined us over here.

This is what Woody said week before last: 

“I’ve got to get back to that somehow,” Woodson said. “And I know I keep saying that, but eventually we will. We’ll have guys in and out. I want to try to, at least, get to nine or 10 deep that we’re playing on a regular basis.&quot;

So if Woody admits that he&#039;s not fully utilizing his bench, why is there this &quot;need&quot; for a blogger to &quot;support the claim&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey kirknga,</p>
<p>Glad you joined us over here.</p>
<p>This is what Woody said week before last: </p>
<p>“I’ve got to get back to that somehow,” Woodson said. “And I know I keep saying that, but eventually we will. We’ll have guys in and out. I want to try to, at least, get to nine or 10 deep that we’re playing on a regular basis.&#8221;</p>
<p>So if Woody admits that he&#8217;s not fully utilizing his bench, why is there this &#8220;need&#8221; for a blogger to &#8220;support the claim&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: kirkinga</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirkinga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no fan of Coach Woodson , but to say that he has underutilized his bench is not consistent with the facts.(I noticed none were offered to support this claim)


The Hawks use their bench just as much as other NBA teams, and more than a few.It&#039;s one thing to be concerned about JJ playing 40 minutes a game, it&#039;s another to claim the entire bench was underutilized.

Anyway, nice fan blog, one of the best.Cheers!


Go Hawks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no fan of Coach Woodson , but to say that he has underutilized his bench is not consistent with the facts.(I noticed none were offered to support this claim)</p>
<p>The Hawks use their bench just as much as other NBA teams, and more than a few.It&#8217;s one thing to be concerned about JJ playing 40 minutes a game, it&#8217;s another to claim the entire bench was underutilized.</p>
<p>Anyway, nice fan blog, one of the best.Cheers!</p>
<p>Go Hawks!</p>
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		<title>By: MannyT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MannyT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 06:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray...Just to clarify from a few days ago...the Marvin vs Thad thing is something that popped up recently. In the right now, I expressed a preference for Marvin over Thad. Could be different in the long run, but I am currently in Marvin&#039;s corner for that debate. The good doctor sees things through a more futuristic view (of what Thad will be) in my opinion.

As for the +/- you put too much thought into it. It simply says how the score of the game changes while you are on the court. If your team outscores the opponent by 10 points while you are in the game, you get a +10 for the game. If the other team outscores your team by 5 while you are in the game, you get -5. The tally is only on for a player while he is playing.

Even if you are scoring, you have to get defensive stops to get a +. If boths teams score the same amount while a player is in the game, he gets a 0.

BWAF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray&#8230;Just to clarify from a few days ago&#8230;the Marvin vs Thad thing is something that popped up recently. In the right now, I expressed a preference for Marvin over Thad. Could be different in the long run, but I am currently in Marvin&#8217;s corner for that debate. The good doctor sees things through a more futuristic view (of what Thad will be) in my opinion.</p>
<p>As for the +/- you put too much thought into it. It simply says how the score of the game changes while you are on the court. If your team outscores the opponent by 10 points while you are in the game, you get a +10 for the game. If the other team outscores your team by 5 while you are in the game, you get -5. The tally is only on for a player while he is playing.</p>
<p>Even if you are scoring, you have to get defensive stops to get a +. If boths teams score the same amount while a player is in the game, he gets a 0.</p>
<p>BWAF</p>
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		<title>By: Melvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, I really hadn&#039;t followed the Bulls that closely to even make any type of analysis on Vinny the coach. As for Woody, I can&#039;t understand what he trying to accomplish. I know he want his blueprint to be good defense but what in the heck is his trying to do offensive. What type are team are we? It seems he prefer the halfcourt game but we have little to no inside play. And I think every coach in the league has figure out how to defend the IsoJoe play. And his player rotations, we won&#039;t even go there b/c that topic has been well documented on these blogs. Not ever coach is ment to be a headcoach and I think Woody is the picture child for that phrase...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, I really hadn&#8217;t followed the Bulls that closely to even make any type of analysis on Vinny the coach. As for Woody, I can&#8217;t understand what he trying to accomplish. I know he want his blueprint to be good defense but what in the heck is his trying to do offensive. What type are team are we? It seems he prefer the halfcourt game but we have little to no inside play. And I think every coach in the league has figure out how to defend the IsoJoe play. And his player rotations, we won&#8217;t even go there b/c that topic has been well documented on these blogs. Not ever coach is ment to be a headcoach and I think Woody is the picture child for that phrase&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Don!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between Woody and Vinny is that (and I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m saying this ...) Woody has a clue about spacing, dribble penetration and actually setting up the outside shots in his offenses, along with a really good defensive scheme when the players aren&#039;t too tired or whatever (and sometimes Josh defines the word, whatever ...) to create a lot of turnovers and keep opposing teams to one shot per trip down the floor.

Vinny, on the other hand, would make your high school coach cringe if someone on TV would break down the tapes.  No spacing, no offensive lanes, their sets are woefully inconsistent.  A lot of times, I see pick up teams in the gym with more offensive continuity.  On the other hand, I do have to agree with the criticism of Paxton for a part of that -- because I really can&#039;t figure out how that team is built to win consistently.

In that regard, Woody and Vinny are alike -- both have teams that are not exactly built to their strengths in coaching.  But, at least Woody (as stubborn as he is) has a plan and a team mold he&#039;s trying (for five years now) to make work.  And I can see the effort in the players to make it work.  It&#039;s just that sometimes we can all see where he&#039;s trying to put round pegs into square holes -- especially at the 5.

I just don&#039;t see the same effort from Vinny&#039;s Bulls -- and they may have more talent.  Plus, I&#039;m always hearing how he&#039;s &#039;lost&#039; the team in the locker room -- and that&#039;s never a good sign in a player-driven league like the NBA.

Later,

Don!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between Woody and Vinny is that (and I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m saying this &#8230;) Woody has a clue about spacing, dribble penetration and actually setting up the outside shots in his offenses, along with a really good defensive scheme when the players aren&#8217;t too tired or whatever (and sometimes Josh defines the word, whatever &#8230;) to create a lot of turnovers and keep opposing teams to one shot per trip down the floor.</p>
<p>Vinny, on the other hand, would make your high school coach cringe if someone on TV would break down the tapes.  No spacing, no offensive lanes, their sets are woefully inconsistent.  A lot of times, I see pick up teams in the gym with more offensive continuity.  On the other hand, I do have to agree with the criticism of Paxton for a part of that &#8212; because I really can&#8217;t figure out how that team is built to win consistently.</p>
<p>In that regard, Woody and Vinny are alike &#8212; both have teams that are not exactly built to their strengths in coaching.  But, at least Woody (as stubborn as he is) has a plan and a team mold he&#8217;s trying (for five years now) to make work.  And I can see the effort in the players to make it work.  It&#8217;s just that sometimes we can all see where he&#8217;s trying to put round pegs into square holes &#8212; especially at the 5.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t see the same effort from Vinny&#8217;s Bulls &#8212; and they may have more talent.  Plus, I&#8217;m always hearing how he&#8217;s &#8216;lost&#8217; the team in the locker room &#8212; and that&#8217;s never a good sign in a player-driven league like the NBA.</p>
<p>Later,</p>
<p>Don!</p>
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		<title>By: Melvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,
I won&#039;t dare complain about Vinny when we still have Woody. By the way, Woody is in his 5th yr of being the head guy and it&#039;s Vinny 1st. Maybe Vinny will get better with experience. Not sure what can help Woody besides a hammer to the head...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,<br />
I won&#8217;t dare complain about Vinny when we still have Woody. By the way, Woody is in his 5th yr of being the head guy and it&#8217;s Vinny 1st. Maybe Vinny will get better with experience. Not sure what can help Woody besides a hammer to the head&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Najeh Davenpoop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Najeh Davenpoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Don, what do you think of Vinny Del Negro?

In all seriousness, I think he&#039;s a pretty bad coach too, but I&#039;m no fan of that roster John Paxson has put together. They really should ship everyone but Rose out. 

And for those who complain that Josh Smith doesn&#039;t have basketball IQ -- Tyrus Thomas is what Josh Smith WOULD be without basketball IQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Don, what do you think of Vinny Del Negro?</p>
<p>In all seriousness, I think he&#8217;s a pretty bad coach too, but I&#8217;m no fan of that roster John Paxson has put together. They really should ship everyone but Rose out. </p>
<p>And for those who complain that Josh Smith doesn&#8217;t have basketball IQ &#8212; Tyrus Thomas is what Josh Smith WOULD be without basketball IQ.</p>
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		<title>By: Don!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melvin, just remember one thing about the Bulls:

Vinny Del Negro.

Let me say it again ... Vinny Del Negro.

He is to NBA coaching what Harry Potter is to French cooking.  Somewhere there is a village deprived of its idiot because Vinny is in Chicago.

Heck, let me say it again: Chicago Bulls head coach, Vinny Del Negro.  I think Ray and Ando could use this forum to coach the Bulls for a game and do better than ... Vinny Del Negro.

Seriously, we&#039;d all just have to watch the game on NBA TV or on the web.  Ray and Ando would have to have their laptops on, and just feed the guys on the court the plays we post on the blog, and the rotations we type in.  Either that, or maybe the Bulls can find those elephants from the circus that picked Florida to beat Oklahoma in the NCAA BCS championship game.  Heck, we&#039;d all work for peanuts and be better for the Bulls than Vinnie Del Negro.

Later,

Don!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melvin, just remember one thing about the Bulls:</p>
<p>Vinny Del Negro.</p>
<p>Let me say it again &#8230; Vinny Del Negro.</p>
<p>He is to NBA coaching what Harry Potter is to French cooking.  Somewhere there is a village deprived of its idiot because Vinny is in Chicago.</p>
<p>Heck, let me say it again: Chicago Bulls head coach, Vinny Del Negro.  I think Ray and Ando could use this forum to coach the Bulls for a game and do better than &#8230; Vinny Del Negro.</p>
<p>Seriously, we&#8217;d all just have to watch the game on NBA TV or on the web.  Ray and Ando would have to have their laptops on, and just feed the guys on the court the plays we post on the blog, and the rotations we type in.  Either that, or maybe the Bulls can find those elephants from the circus that picked Florida to beat Oklahoma in the NCAA BCS championship game.  Heck, we&#8217;d all work for peanuts and be better for the Bulls than Vinnie Del Negro.</p>
<p>Later,</p>
<p>Don!</p>
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		<title>By: Melvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repost with out the errors

Don, did I just see the Bulls take Deng out of the game on their final posession of regulation after he made the defensive play of the game coming up with a steal…… nevermind, he just hit 2 big 3’s in overtime</description>
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<p>Don, did I just see the Bulls take Deng out of the game on their final posession of regulation after he made the defensive play of the game coming up with a steal…… nevermind, he just hit 2 big 3’s in overtime</p>
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