Kennesaw State football decision deferred

Kennesaw State’s quest for football may have to wait for at least one more month.

Kennesaw State asked the State Board of Regents at today’s meeting to approve an increase in student fees of $100 per semester to support a new football team and other Title IX efforts.

However, a Regents’ subcommittee recommended earlier today that the plan receive further study. The Regents are scheduled to meet later today and could decide to go ahead and review the plan, or follow the committee’s recommendation. Ken Bernard, who chairs the finance committee, referred questions to Regents spokesman John Millsaps. It is not uncommon for proposals to receive further scrutiny before reaching the Regents. KSU President Dan Papp said that his university will work with the Regents, but declined to answer any other questions.

Kennesaw State’s proposed increase would bring the total earmarked to athletics to $251 per semester. Multiplied by the university enrollment of more than 24,000, the increase is expected to cover the projected $3.5 million in annual operating costs for the football team. The fee would go into effect for the Fall semester later this year.

The Regents are next scheduled to meet Feb. 12 and 13.

The university announced in Sept. 2010 that, after a committee chaired by former Georgia coach Vince Dooley spent 10 months examining the possibility, it was going to move ahead with adding football and hoped to field the first team by 2014.

This is the second time Kennesaw State has been stiff-armed by the Regents. They also weren’t able to get on the Nov. 2012 agenda.

Kennesaw State had a press conference planned for Wednesday. It has been cancelled.

– Doug Roberson, AJC.

55 comments Add your comment

Crooked Athletic Departments

January 8th, 2013
1:10 pm

Another AD who want to dip into the pocket of students to pay for athletics. Then that AD will take a raise for his ability to raise money. Theft — pure and simple.

Charli TrippedU

January 8th, 2013
1:29 pm

Hee hee hee! Just like we got engineering at UGA…now we are showing our might by keeping a potential competitor from fielding a team!!! LOL Go Dawgs!!! Sickem!!!

5150 UOAD

January 8th, 2013
1:53 pm

Funny it is the PARENTS pocket KSU is trying to get in. Play more LOTTO and make your kids study to get as much HOPE as you can…….KSU doesn’t need football.

GT-Falcons Fan

January 8th, 2013
2:04 pm

LOL, KSU blows and should not have a football team. It will be a total failure.

Can’t believe anyone would want to be a stupid “owl”. How dumb.

5150 UOAD

January 8th, 2013
2:12 pm

GT-Falcons Fan………………an OWL is thought to be wise. It is the same thing as a Hawk but hunts at Night. Now who is Dumb?

5150 UOAD

January 8th, 2013
2:13 pm

GT-Falcons Fan….sorry same thing as a Hawk, Falcon or Eagle.

Jay

January 8th, 2013
2:18 pm

bringing NCAA football to Kennesaw will have a positive effect on the economy. more jobs, more revenue, etc.

5150 UOAD

January 8th, 2013
2:25 pm

Jay……….WHAT jobs? Revenue will be mostly for the school to only spend on SPORTS.

camptwoshop

January 8th, 2013
2:27 pm

First three comments are stupid. Students voted to field a football team. Keep your pessimism to yourselves and your own pathetic lives. Not everyone is out to get you or your “pocekts”(which im sure are deep). Ever consider that maybe you’re not THAT important? KSU will have a football team. The STUDENTS voted in favor of it. The idiots that spew negative comments on this board concerning KSU and/or their football team are miserable trolls. Get out and get a job ya bums. In other news, Vote for PEACE.

5150 UOAD

January 8th, 2013
3:03 pm

camptwoshop……..As a KSU grad I don’t want football. Funny students Voted for it but few are paying for it. Mom & Dad are paying the bills or a Student Loan they hope they will never have to payback and leave the Taxpayers on the hook for.

KSUAlum

January 8th, 2013
3:13 pm

@5150: If you’re a KSU grad, I hope you’ll work on your grammar and spelling. You’re making graduates like me look bad.

Also: if you don’t like football at KSU, then don’t go to any games. The rest of us have enough school spirit to make up for your lack of same.

Lastly: Is it just me, or does anyone else see Georgia State fingerprints on these delays at the Regents?

Just a Thought

January 8th, 2013
3:16 pm

Anybody wondering what existing scholarship teams will have to be reorganized or totally dissolved because football would come to KSU? Many athletes who don’t participate in football will lose an opportunity for education because of the structure of Title IX and how many scholarships football takes.

ksu alum

January 8th, 2013
3:32 pm

The students were promised that fees would not be that high. That is why they voted for football. Let the students make the decision.

Spanky

January 8th, 2013
3:32 pm

“Can’t believe anyone would want to be a stupid “owl”. How dumb.”

same could be said about the yellow fackets!! Afraid of some competition? From what I hear, jumping ship is the new thing to do out of tech, so you might wanna simmer!

KCAlumna

January 8th, 2013
3:35 pm

Perhaps the Regents are balancing the benefits vs. the liabilities of having a football team at KSU. I’ve been opposed to it from the get-go because I just don’t think the *majority* of students will derive anything valuable from it. BTW, those who are indicating that the students were in favor of a team should go back and look at the numbers – a tiny *fraction* of the student population even bothered to vote at all, and of course the number of those who voted ‘yea’ was smaller still.

oldtimer

January 8th, 2013
4:02 pm

KSU alum- you are right. UOAD is a Tech fan and he knows in a couple of years that KSt will be beating Tech and competing with them for recruits that now go to Jax St or Ga St or Ga Tech.

KSUAlum

January 8th, 2013
4:02 pm

@KSUAlumna inre: “tiny fraction”

Well, you could say the same thing about Obama, but he’s still President. If a student was against it but didn’t vote, that’s not a reason to discount the end result of the vote now is it?

Good grief, what is with all these alumni raining on the parade? You folks need to get behind your school.

KSUAlum

January 8th, 2013
4:07 pm

Get behind your school or keep your negative comments to yourself.

KSUUU

January 8th, 2013
4:16 pm

Heck with academics, we need football.

DaveDawg

January 8th, 2013
4:17 pm

The Regents’ delays have already pushed back the first season a year. But who cares, these folks must be awesome because they just named a university for themselves: Georgia Regents University in Augusta. In fact, they’re probably undermining every other college and university in the state to benefit their new GRU.

KSUStudent

January 8th, 2013
4:38 pm

As a student, it is extremely upsetting to see all of these alumni in such stark opposition. We NEED football. I live on campus and almost every student goes home on the weekends because there is nothing to do. Football would change that. Football is the one thing separating KSU from being considered a legitimate option for a lot of kids. It is going to greatly increase school pride and will bring a sense of community that is more or less lacking right now. I can’t believe anyone would be in such strong opposition, especially alumni. It is sad and frustrating to see the Regents dragging their feet on this.

Kraken

January 8th, 2013
4:38 pm

The BOR showed a decisive lack of class by not having the courtesy to inform KSU university administrators before hand. Definitely a back room deal by self important Regent Ken Bernard to embarass the university. If you ain’t them, you ain’t nuthin’.

Paddy

January 8th, 2013
4:41 pm

5150……thats what many, many said in Hampton Roads before ODU started football back after 68 years. Their AD knew what he was doing, he spent 10 years, not 10 months molding the football plan before introducing it to the Regents. Patience is a virtue if you have the backing from on HIGH! HR is not what you would call a ‘hot bed’ for football! It is the best ’start up’ that I can remember.

Road Scholar

January 8th, 2013
5:11 pm

So, the students voted, but most do not pay for their education. Mom and Dad do. Have the parents been polled about a 67% increase in non related learning costs? Oh and what will the ticket prices be after KSU builds a new stadium (or will they play at the Dome as does GSU?). Ya know it can’t be a dump and will have to be first rate! Tech rebuilt their coliseum and now mid court tickets now cost $92 for one game!

Bert Reynolds

January 8th, 2013
5:11 pm

Maybe I’m being a bit slow, but why does an undemocratic, unelectedm grift-filled body like the board of regents have any say over what a university does with money it raises itself?

Paddy

January 8th, 2013
5:27 pm

Bert Reynolds…….think of it like a Board of Direcors of any major corporation.

5150 UOAD

January 8th, 2013
5:28 pm

oldtimer
January 8th, 2013
4:02 pm

KSU alum- you are right. UOAD is a Tech fan
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That is correct. I have been attending Tech games since 74. That doesn’t mean I am not a KSU grad and think football is a bad idea. $251 per semester is a JOKE and poor use of money.
I doubt GaState has anything to do with the Regents delay. You would think it is UGa if you look at the history of Regents decisions.
Football doesn’t help all the students graduate and get jobs does it?

KSUstudent…..I guess you haven’t seen the issues at UGa Tech and GaState with Students going to the games. Saying students would go to the games and stay on campus for the weekend isn’t a selling point for football.

Wondering

January 8th, 2013
6:01 pm

I had a son at KSU when the vote was taken, and we discussed it before hand. If a parent felt strongly about it, they did the same. Everything has been done above board and the University is ready to move forward.

The BOR has their job to do as well. They are not bound by the student vote and have to look out for the good of the overall system, KSU and KSU’s future students. Blasting them for a short delay is silly. Many boards I have worked with over the years had trouble making decisions in meetings and liked to have time to study issues.

KSU’s President appears to have a solid and frankly conservative plan to introduce football at KSU. The plan is to use the soccer stadium for football as well. I haven’t heard any plans to try to use a larger venue such as the Dome. KSU may develop over time but they are planning to start small and see if they can grow in a controlled manner. A $3.5 million budget for a football team is actually conservative.

5150 UOAD

January 8th, 2013
6:09 pm

Has adding Football EVER made it cheaper for students to attend college? Has adding Football EVER kept teachers from being let go?

Spanky

January 8th, 2013
6:16 pm

Having a football team(for KSU) in this state does absolute wonders for the future of your school! Ga. State has enjoyed a new sense of spirit and plans for facility growth, and they haven’t even had a winning season…yet! :) Feilding a football team will automatically bond a student section together, making new friends, and gaining confidence and pride!! There is no downside, folks! It pays for itself in no-time flat!! Go Owls!!

Atlanta_Mafia

January 8th, 2013
6:18 pm

KSU will be spending a lot of money to play in the FCS….why?

Spanky

January 8th, 2013
6:18 pm

“Has adding Football EVER kept teachers from being let go?”

Absolutely!! Every time a student desides to go to that school, which lured by the football team, it decreases the chance of a teacher being laid off…

5150 UOAD

January 8th, 2013
6:26 pm

Spanky not true. UGa has let Professors go and UGa is one Profitable football program.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/colleges-students-brace-for-more-cuts/nQcp3/

We’re at 35,000 and that is where we are going to be for the foreseeable future,” University of Georgia President Michael Adams told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
The maxed enrollment has a lot to do with infrastructure at the state’s largest college but Adams said he can’t admit more students when he is unable to hire faculty and staff.
UGA received about $442 million from the state in 2002, but just $431 million this fiscal year. The college’s enrollment has increased by about 2,500 students since 2002, but it has 75 fewer full-time faculty positions. As a result, some students in popular degree areas such as public health, public and international affairs and family and consumer sciences will need an additional six months before they can graduate, Adams said.
Daniel Papp, the president of Kennesaw State University, floated the possibility of an enrollment cap at his institution, which enrolls more than 22,000 students.
“We are constrained by the number of seats in the room,” Papp said. “We’re letting class sizes grow until you can’t grow anymore. I’m talking about students sitting on the floor.”

So HOW is charging for football helping the school grow if the school can’t afford to grow?

Friend of former KSU SGA Prez

January 8th, 2013
6:33 pm

As a good friend of the KSU Student Govt. President that put all of this into motion, I am glad to see it possibly coming to a head. However, in response to everyone talking about how the students of KSU voted for the increase in fees for football…almost none of the current students voted for it. The initial vote was done in 04/05, and now everyone that voted for it (myself included) are now alumni.

Spanky

January 8th, 2013
6:36 pm

KSU is nowhwere near max enrollment!…not like UGA!! All I’m saying, is that when you attract kids to attend a school that needs the attention, the money should be helping salaries!! If not, why am I still paying off student loans?? Compelling argument!…Good form!

Friend of former KSU SGA Prez

January 8th, 2013
6:39 pm

Spanky, the max enrollment # is not some arbitrary number set by the Board of Regents or the University System…it is the maximum # of students the University can handle. You have to have class rooms, faculty, staff, parking, housing, etc. KSU has done an excellent job of expanding all of this in recent years, but it will require some major construction/expansion to the campus map in order to reach an enrollment close to that UGA’s (an additional 10,000+ students)

5150 UOAD

January 8th, 2013
6:47 pm

Spanky………..max enrollment has been reached. Students sitting on the floor. Classes being delayed because not enough teachers to teach the classes? What do you call that? Spending $251 per student per semester could expand facilities and teachers better than a football team and other Title IX sports.

5150 UOAD

January 8th, 2013
6:52 pm

Spanky read the whole Link I posted.

5150 UOAD

January 8th, 2013
6:52 pm

Spanky read the whole Link I posted.

Mike Hunt

January 8th, 2013
9:30 pm

Want to be that corrupt politician Earl Earheart demands he be given his Kennesaw pork and make the Board of Regents what he wants. After all, he is Speaker, Rules Chair, Appropriations Chair and Chancellor all in one!

The Truth

January 8th, 2013
9:59 pm

For all those who think KSU adding football is stupid, try this. I’m going to give you two “national championship” caliber schools. Both are OUTSTANDING academic schools. In fact they are notorious for strong academics. ONE school gets thousands of applications every year (and all the fees that go with applying) and the OTHER about 1/10 the amount applications. The first school is a national contender every year in men’s basketball, the other men’s lacrosse. We are talking about Duke and Johns Hopkins. Duke is on ESPN all the time, Johns Hopkins isn’t. Point being that sports and the level of their visibility is the driving force behind building interest in a school. Football is the highest rated college sport. It’s driving down the highway and one restaurant having a huge billboard letting everyone know its there, and another restaurant without a sign at all. Don’t believe me?? Look at the AJC sports page online. UGA, GaTech, GaState? Why GaState? They have football, they are more relevant. The sports page is FREE ADVERTISING everyday for a school. Football will be the roadsign, the billboard for KSU. It’s marketing people. Get a clue. And when students approved it? Well its obvious. They are the customers.

Charlie Trippied U

January 8th, 2013
11:16 pm

It’s just funny! Most of the Regents are UGA grads and understand that a thriving football team in the suburbs of Atlanta could be a threat to UGA football. Like UGA, KSU is a liberal arts school that is not limited in the course offerings the way Georgia Tech is hamstrung. It has lower entrance requirements than UGA thus they will be able to recruit athletes that could play in the SEC but simply can’t gain entrance academically. If it grows to where a stadium seating 55000 or more with easy access to Atlanta…they could get even a few athletes that UGA offered thus endangering that schools athletic success. The state of North Carolina is a good example. NC State, Duke and even Wake Forest occasionally get some of the better players in that state and the result is UNC is never really a threat to win even the ACC. Not a single North Carolina school has won that conference in 20 years and with that conference expanding to 14 teams it keeps becoming even more unlikely they will in the future. UGA has had all the advantages for years. The only school in the state that has the course offerings to appeal to 99% of the athletes and play D1. If either GSU or KSU ever finds success and moves to D1…they will not really threaten Tech since those athletes are not likely to choose a liberal arts school anyway…but they will become competition for the athletes that currently view UGA as the STATE school in the same way some of the North Carolina athletes view schools other than UNC as the state school. So way to go REGENTS!!! Keep blocking KSU!!!

Charlie Trippied U

January 8th, 2013
11:16 pm

It’s just funny! Most of the Regents are UGA grads and understand that a thriving football team in the suburbs of Atlanta could be a threat to UGA football. Like UGA, KSU is a liberal arts school that is not limited in the course offerings the way Georgia Tech is hamstrung. It has lower entrance requirements than UGA thus they will be able to recruit athletes that could play in the SEC but simply can’t gain entrance academically. If it grows to where a stadium seating 55000 or more with easy access to Atlanta…they could get even a few athletes that UGA offered thus endangering that schools athletic success. The state of North Carolina is a good example. NC State, Duke and even Wake Forest occasionally get some of the better players in that state and the result is UNC is never really a threat to win even the ACC. Not a single North Carolina school has won that conference in 20 years and with that conference expanding to 14 teams it keeps becoming even more unlikely they will in the future. UGA has had all the advantages for years. The only school in the state that has the course offerings to appeal to 99% of the athletes and play D1. If either GSU or KSU ever finds success and moves to D1…they will not really threaten Tech since those athletes are not likely to choose a liberal arts school anyway…but they will become competition for the athletes that currently view UGA as the STATE school in the same way some of the North Carolina athletes view schools other than UNC as the state school. So way to go REGENTS!!! Keep blocking KSU!!!

5150 UOAD

January 9th, 2013
12:29 am

The Truth………….Football will be the roadsign, the billboard for KSU. It’s marketing people. Get a clue. And when students approved it? Well its obvious. They are the customers.

the STUDENTS are the CUSTOMERS? What have you been smoking. The parents pay for college or related expenses. the Alumni are the real Customer cause that is where the MONEY is. Who buys the TICKETS? Students? HAHA with the fees paid and minimal ticket cost the Students are far from the END CUSTOMER needed to make a football team work. The ALUMNI will be to ones to carry the bill for years until the voting students are Alumni and are making the money to buy tickets and donate for Stadium expansion and better facilities. KSU doesn’t and the State doesn’t have the money to make the school bigger more dorms and teachers for more students that you seem to think will flock to KSU because of a football team.

Big J

January 9th, 2013
1:20 am

First off, no one at KSU is “scared” of Georgia Tech or UGA. Recent history says we have DOMINATED GT in every sport, remember that 20 beating your basketball team took 2 seasons ago? I do, I was on the sidelines. Secondly, the board has approved Mercer for their football program but has to study our proposal some more? This decision doesn’t “smell of GA St” it has Mercer written all over it. Thirdly, Kennesaw would play at the FCS level of football, how in the heck would we be “competition” for UGA or GT? Some of you are saying some really stupid things and I guarantee some of you didn’t attend, let alone graduate, from any of the schools mentioned in these postings.

Knockahoma

January 9th, 2013
1:21 am

@5150:
-first I want to know if your name has anything to do with an appreciation for the snowboarding brand that goes by the same name. Just curious.

As for KSU football. I am speaking as an Alumni who voted yes in 04/05. As an Alumni of KSU I want them to add football. Georgia Southern and Georgia State have a perception of being better schools than KSU. Both of those schools may or may not actual be better than KSU, but the perception is that they are more legitimate options and that can be attributed to the fact that they have football programs. These football programs also raise the profile of the athletic programs leading to more competitive teams across the board.

Regardless if you care how well the teams do, the fact is that my diploma gains value when more people recognize KSU. This also leads to more prospective students viewing KSU as a more enticing option leading to the ability of the university to be more selective when admitting students. This will lead to a higher quality student body, and eventually a higher quality institution.

Also, as an Alumni, I will have a little more to say around the watercooler about MY school, instead of the school I pull for since my school doesn’t have a program. BTW I am not one who is sitting here believing that the BOR is being persuaded by a nervous UGA program. That’s stupid.

Anyway, you can keep trying to prove why KSU doesn’t need football, but the fact is that it is coming whether you like it or not. I for one cannot wait to watch the Owls play football.

5150 UOAD

January 9th, 2013
2:07 am

Better Teachers cannot get better pay when paying for football coaches. Rise your standards. Get better teachers. Apply for more research grants. Get a larger endowment. That will make your KSU degree stronger. I don’t think the Ivy League schools or Service Academies play football to be better schools or attract better students. There are 100’s of great schools that don’t play sports and have Higher Achieving Students. Carnegie Mellon, MIT, and NYU to name a few that don’t ply football but get great students and have well respected diplomas. There a few schools in resent years that have dropped football too.

5150 UOAD

January 9th, 2013
2:10 am

5150 is the police code for crazy or psychological evaluation needed.
Urinate On A Dawg meaning I am a Tech fan.

camptwoshop

January 9th, 2013
9:10 am

Just want to make it clear that not every student has their parents paying for them. Working full time and taking 10 hours this semester. No, I dont live at home.Yes, I pay my own bills. Im not trying to pat my own back here. I just want to make it known that there are still students that pave their own way.It is an investment and, like all investments, I want it to have the best roi possible. I believe football will eventually increase the value of a degree from KSU.

All I'm Saying Is....

January 9th, 2013
9:28 am

The old joke is that “Faculty only really cares about parking access, current students only really care about access to sex, and alumni care about the football team’s success” and while I think it is true, I believe that KSU is simply trying to evolve to what they perceive to be full university status after starting life in 1963 as a junior college.

Given all the talent in the state, their football ambitions have a chance to be successful as long as they take it slow. Georgia State is an example of what can happen when you go too fast whereas Georgia Southern should have moved up to Division I or FBS-level a long time ago, in my opinion.

KSU also wants to no longer be confused with the, believe it or not, far more well known even in these parts KSU= Kansas State University.

I also would not be surprised if both Georgia Southern and Georgia State asked their minions to put in a call and delay the Board of Regents approval just to make Dan Papp et. al. sweat a little longer.

Also, while the students had the chance to vote on whether they wanted their fees raised to pay for football and the majority voted in favor, there was significant opposition (and the faculty was not in favor but that’s not a surprise as many of them think that football success will mean lowering of academic standards).

Kudos to you camptwoshop as a significant number of KSU students work while going to school and don’t necessarily get any help from mom or dad.

Far as I am concerned, KSU can do what they want. Probably would have been far less expensive and risky if they had invested half as much in men’s basketball and women’s soccer as those are two sports that don’t get enough attention in this state at the various Georgia colleges which is especially amazing given the large number of talented individuals participating in both sports in Georgia.