‘Screaming indian’ logo returning to Braves gear
The screaming indian was part of the Braves logo when the franchise moved here from Milwaukee in 1966. (Uni Watch)
ESPN’s Uni Watch blog unveiled the upcoming baseball season’s new batting practice hats.
Among the most notable new designs is the Braves’ cap, which includes the screaming indian logo that has not been a part of the Braves’ uniform since 1989. The new cap features the yelling brave in red stitching on a blue rimmed hat.
In 2012, the Braves introduced an “alternate home” uniform that was similar to what the team wore when the franchise moved from Milwaukee to Atlanta in 1966. The cream-colored threads did not feature a tomahawk nor the screaming indian. The left sleeve of the new jersey has a crossed tomahawk instead of the screaming indian logo that appeared on the 1966 jerseys.
What do you think of the new Brave batting practice hat?
- I like it, may even buy it (73%, 3,318 Votes)
- Couldn't care less. Go (insert favorite team here)! (18%, 813 Votes)
- I'm offended (9%, 424 Votes)
Total Voters: 4,554
Loading ...The retro look is not popular among those who object to the use of Native American symbol or names in sports, including Uni Watch’s Paul Lukas who said of the new look:
Last year the Braves conspicuously avoided using their “screaming Indian” logo as a sleeve patch on their retro alternate jersey — a welcome move for those of us who oppose the appropriation of Native American imagery in sports. Unfortunately, it turns out that the logo hasn’t been permanently mothballed. Disappointing. Grade: F
What are your feelings? Will you be buying the new hat, or do you object?
(Please keep the conversation clean and cordial. Christmas may be over, but the big man is always watching.)
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Brave 1
December 28th, 2012
8:22 am
Love it . It is part of history and being from native american ancestery is not offensive to me. Bring back Levi …….
AJC-TMZ
December 28th, 2012
8:22 am
native american enthusiasts need to shut up and get over themselves.
Dedoh
December 28th, 2012
8:34 am
I love the old Braves uniforms. I could care less that someone is offended over the new logo. Too many people are offended by insignificant things that have no bearing on their daily life. The offended can watch another less offensive team. Go BRAVES!!!!!!!
FlaDawg
December 28th, 2012
8:35 am
Where can I get one?
furmandawg
December 28th, 2012
8:40 am
This is great is it’s a part of the teams history. I don’t get the issue here. I’m Irish-the Fighting Irish logo doesn’t bother me. So why is this offesive to snobby NewYorkers and supposedly native Americans. I think it’s a salute to their honor, integrity, and toughness.
mkweaver130206
December 28th, 2012
8:43 am
I am 1/4 Cherokee Indian and I have never understood how peolpe are so offended. To me I think its great to show Native Amercians as the great warriors and leaders we are. Whats next, bears being offended because the are being depicted as “agessive?’
david
December 28th, 2012
8:44 am
Paul Lucus is a liberal, New York City whiner. He feels all sport nicknames with Indian or offensive reference should be banded.
I prefer the tomahawk as the logo, but if you like the screaming indian you have that right.
Clay
December 28th, 2012
8:47 am
I love it. I will buy one when they come out.
Chief Knockahomer
December 28th, 2012
8:53 am
The Seven people who voted “I’m offended” obviously are idiots and live on welfare.
Brave New World
December 28th, 2012
8:58 am
I am not offended but I can understand those who might be. Why dredge up something we have moved beyond. Those early Braves uniforms were nothing to be nostalgic over.
D Gibbs
December 28th, 2012
8:59 am
I think it’s Great. being a Native American – I feel it’s not a slap in the face to Native People – but a positive representation. – If you are offended by the use of a Image of a Native American as a mascot – You are only looking for something to offend you. Take Pride and realize what it represents.
Carolyn
December 28th, 2012
9:03 am
Love it. Chief Noc-A-Homa is the man!!! When can get one?
TrishaDishawareagle
December 28th, 2012
9:04 am
I always loved the screaming Indian..Go Dale Murphy!
In general, if something offends others, bonus!
Slick Rick
December 28th, 2012
9:05 am
This isn’t bad…but “Redskins” is. That name should go away forever.
The Dred Pirate Roberts
December 28th, 2012
9:07 am
I am offended by the Pittsburgh Pirates logo. I also make my own beer and therefore I am offended by the Brewers. Some say I am a Ray of sunshine thus the Rays offend me.
Elise
December 28th, 2012
9:07 am
It’s “couldn’t care less”……..if you could care less then that means you care a little. Come on, AJC, let’s get it right for a change
cornjolio
December 28th, 2012
9:09 am
LOVE IT ! Bring back the teepee and Levi Walker, aka “Chief Nocahoma” !
Rhett Butler
December 28th, 2012
9:09 am
I love the hat. But please bring back Princess Winalotta and Chief Knockahoma!
pioneer
December 28th, 2012
9:10 am
Exactly, Elsie. I couldn’t care less about the Braves’ hat but was unable to vote!
Dan Uggla
December 28th, 2012
9:12 am
Batting practice hat?
If it helps my pathetic batting average I’m all for it.
Edward
December 28th, 2012
9:12 am
Interesting how most of the people saying things like, “In general, if something offends others, bonus!”, are the first to scream about being offended should someone dare disparage “the south” or “christians” or “GOP”. Hypocrites.
Delta Hog Moss
December 28th, 2012
9:12 am
Paul Lucas wets the bed.
BravesDawg
December 28th, 2012
9:13 am
I love it. I have missed it for years. Miss Noc-A-Homa too. I think it is a great logo. If it offends people it is because they won”t to be offended. Sort of reminds me of Andrew Jones. But yes I will buy it.
Kennesaw Dave
December 28th, 2012
9:13 am
Why is this even an issue other than someone got their overly sensative panties in a wad? I’ve seen this logo ever since I was a kid in the 80s watching the Braves.
Maximum
December 28th, 2012
9:14 am
Go you Fightin’ Whities!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites
Flick Rick
December 28th, 2012
9:15 am
Disembodied heads are always in style.
WTF?
December 28th, 2012
9:15 am
I think obama and his legion of goons has created such a nation of sissies. You can’t even give constructive help without it being called racist thanks to the obama goons. These same goons can’t even afford tickets to the games to see these hats that offends them, even though there aren’t any Indian tribes in the vicinity of Turner Field. If it bothers you shut your hole unless you have a financial stake in the matter. Go read about the indians rather than protest a hat
carlton
December 28th, 2012
9:16 am
“screaming Indian”????? Looks like laughing Indian to me. Laughing at all the offended ones.
MellowMan
December 28th, 2012
9:17 am
I am not offended by this because I am not of Native American descent . But as usual most people cannot see the other persons view of this. I might be offended if my land was stolen and my ancestors were killed by gov’t sponsored genocide and some wore a goofy caricature that is supposed to represent me and my people. The Braves would dare put a Sambo looking caricature that would offend black people because it is already unsafe to go to a game downtown. Unfortunately no one has killed off any of the ignorant, redneck ancestors of today’s average, low I.Q., ignorant, trailer dwelling, Atlanta Braves fan.
ScreamingFan
December 28th, 2012
9:17 am
Love it! Go Braves! Go Seminoles! Go Redskins! Go Indians!
Browncoat
December 28th, 2012
9:18 am
Lucas is a jerk about a number of issues, and doesn’t really tolerate opinions that differ from his own. Basically, his belief is that if a group has been oppressed in the past, then you have to get their approval to use the name/logo. So the FSU Seminoles is Ok because the Seminole tribe approved. But who would the Braves or Chiefs get approval from? Oh, and Lucas is a big Mets fan too………
Zanzibar
December 28th, 2012
9:18 am
The Indian is screaming because someone pulled his teepee.
Hackjobs
December 28th, 2012
9:18 am
I hate it. Not because it’s offensive, but because it’s ugly as sin.
Granted, I remember having a big pennant in my bedroom when I was a small kid, and it always kinda freaked me out.
Rick
December 28th, 2012
9:18 am
Who said it was controversial. The AJC?
Runs with Scissors
December 28th, 2012
9:21 am
Needs more cowbell
AtlBravesFan
December 28th, 2012
9:22 am
There was no option for “ugly as all get out”. I would have chosen that. Also hate anything from the powder-blue unis.
TrishaDishawareagle
December 28th, 2012
9:23 am
@Edward
In response..I do not generally give a damn enough about other people to care their opinions, so I do not get offended by them. I am not one of the thin skinned tribe (liberals).
Richard Pettys, Jr
December 28th, 2012
9:23 am
The hat is a good looking hat. Frankly, the Braves have always sold merchandise that included the “screaming” Indian head. The team has not worn it on uniforms for 23 years, but it has been sold on hats, t-shirts and other memorabilia.
In the vein of this article, when will they stop selling pictures of New York with the Twin Towers? When will they stop selling posters saying, “The South Will Rise Again”? When will we stop taking Christmas out of the Christmas season? The list goes on. The phrase “Good morning” could be offensive and subsequently outlawed at the rate we are going. Y’all have a nice day and please don’t have me arrested for wishing you a good day.
Uncle Tom
December 28th, 2012
9:24 am
As long as Cowboys continue to not be offended by the Dallas Cowboys name, I’m fine with using Indians………….and I’m a Socialist/Communist liberal!
Gary
December 28th, 2012
9:25 am
When I was a kid, the Braves were terrible. Some of my best memories were at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium, sitting next to my Dad, watching the Braves lose to every team in the league. But NOW apparently the PC police say that the Braves need to “try” and “win” games. Who asked them!!??!? I’m ashamed that the Braves have turned their back on their heritage of losing. I guess that’s the “modern” world we live in. I wish thing could stay the way they were, forever.
Grammar Chick
December 28th, 2012
9:28 am
How does a newspaper article get away with a poll asking if people “Could Care Less?” The proper phrase is “Couldn’t Care Less…” If you could care less, then it means that you actually care and there are degrees of caring less that you can still achieve. You all write for a living…you would think you would grasp a simple phrase.
Larvell Blanks
December 28th, 2012
9:28 am
I’m just hoping that the actual hat isn’t as cartoonish-looking as the illustration. The head looks like a cheap sticker, and what’s with all the heavy and obnoxious stitching?
TrishaDishawareagle
December 28th, 2012
9:28 am
I still have my powder blue, itchy, 100% Polyester kids braves jersey, sponsored by Mobil, from free kids Jersey day, signed by Phil Niekro and Gaylord Perry, sometime in the late 80’s. Now my cutie pie dog wears it on halloween.
Alan
December 28th, 2012
9:28 am
Amazing how pathetic this country has become. I remember the 50’s when it was mostly white and we had such few problems. Amazing how much has changed since we have become more “diverse.”
larry
December 28th, 2012
9:31 am
I liked the old multi-colored image of the “Screaming Brave” better; but this one is okay.
I really don’t understand what all the hoopla is about. Mascots are almost always chosen in tribute to their progenitors, not to denigrate them.
I honestly believe it is simply the professional protesters and agitators who start these things. Then empy-headed, utterly moronic media and other left wing types jump on the bandwagon. The liberals are nothing if not lock step conformists with the latest cause du jour.
Brandon SMith
December 28th, 2012
9:32 am
I missed the offensive part….
Chris
December 28th, 2012
9:32 am
Braves SUCK anyway, so who cares.
Stinky Sullivan
December 28th, 2012
9:33 am
Wonder if those who claim fake Native American ancestry for political gain would be offended. Looking at you, Senator-elect from Mass.
Go USA(mnesia)
December 28th, 2012
9:33 am
Yeah, the trail of tears was awesome. If you like the symbol so much why don’t you take the crooked route to Oklahoma, watching your own children die and then get back to me on how great it is to trivialize genocide. Where do you think Hitler got the idea to eliminate an entire race of people? Look no further than the American treatment of the Native Americans.
Spanky
December 28th, 2012
9:34 am
Richard Pettys Jr- Great post, sir! When is it all gonna frickin stop?! This country spends so much time bending over backwards in efforts not to offend whoever’s crying at that time!! I have enough Cherokee in my blood to be a spokesperson, so how bout I save some anguish?!….WE ARE NOT OFFENDED, NOR DO WE SHIVE A GIT!! ….there!….now, can we play some ball??
Mavis Beacon
December 28th, 2012
9:36 am
It is “COULDN’T Care Less,” not “Could Care Less,” uneducated AJC Poll Question author.
"Chef" Tim Dix
December 28th, 2012
9:36 am
A deal was struck between the Atlanta Braves and the little known Native American Nation of Profitable Vices which allows the MLB club to use the “screaming Indian” in exchange for a casino at Turner Field.
Matt
December 28th, 2012
9:37 am
I’m torn. As a designer, I am offended by the poor use of the design (the colors for one). Its a legendary illustration and considering the front office had to have anticipated this controversy, its a waste to have not done the original justice
That said, it speaks broadly about the front office of the braves. 1. That they would use this logo now when they didn’t last year and 2. That they would use it so poorly.
There are so many elements now that they could have chosen from, the lowercase a being my favorite. (My favorite braves hat is the riverstone little a I bought last year).
I can also see how some people are offended by it. Everyone has their pet issue that they get all bent out of shape over. The keep christ in christmas folks don’t seem to care when they offend other people. I think the organization made a calculation, they assumed that their fans don’t care about offending people, so let’s sell them a hat.
I think a lot of Georgians need to grow up and realize that you live in a bigger world than your deadend 9-5, wife and kids, suburban existence. You should probably get out of the state and see the world and stop calling liberals “crying sissies”. They make just as much money as you do, and they pay just as much in taxes as you do, even though Faux has convinced you otherwise, and they go to plenty of Braves games. Obama & politics simply has nothing to do with this. Its about the ongoing abuse and neglect of Native Americans who were lied to, stolen from and massacred because of an errant belief in manifest destiny.
Much like the rebel flag, we should consider relegating native american mascots to the past and let’s march on into the future.
BravesDawg
December 28th, 2012
9:38 am
I think if the Indians really understood how most of us feel about their culture they would see respect. I love Indian culture and respect it. I think the Braves name and symbols are a sign of ultimate respect. I think a”lot of southern culture should return. Its both black and white. Sad , but these politically correct times were in are going to destroy it all in the long run. We all need to loosen up. Have fun people.
Spanky
December 28th, 2012
9:38 am
btw- Atlanta used to have a team called the Crackers….don’t think whitey is offended, yo!
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2012
9:38 am
Edward @ 9:12,
Congratulations. Dumbest post of 2012 on any AJC blog.
Ellen
December 28th, 2012
9:38 am
“Could Care Less” is widely viewed and accepted American colloquialism and is considered as sarcasm and hyperbole. One could care less, but does not choose to waste the effort on the matter. In the US, the two phrases are used interchangeably.
ramsey
December 28th, 2012
9:38 am
“AY-YAY-YAY-YAY-YAY-YAY-YAY-YAY-YAY!!!!!!”
GAUSMC
December 28th, 2012
9:38 am
I definitely LOVE the hat and why just in batting practice…Hell, with all the different uni’s, why not put it with one of them? Go Bravos!!!
CynthiaM
December 28th, 2012
9:44 am
Love the hat and the logo – most times, political correctness is foolishness. Edward – are you one of those that EVERYTHING comes back to political finger pointing?? Give me a break!
coffeecoffee25
December 28th, 2012
9:44 am
It’s not a “hat”. It’s a “cap.
David Puddy
December 28th, 2012
9:44 am
The Indian schtik is old. The whole chop stuff makes Brave’s fans look like idiots. And what a joke that some claim to be part Indian and pronounce that this is proof that nobody should be offended. This Indian stuff with the expressions is a waste of time and energy. Why do the marketing nitwits continue to bring these up; tone the stupid expressions down and leave them down. What a bunch of idiots. Now the biggots and idiots can run out ad buy a bunch to show people that they can. Have fun.
Mavis Beacon
December 28th, 2012
9:44 am
Ellen @ 9:38 am gets an “F” In English…
…again.
John
December 28th, 2012
9:47 am
I am part Indian (isn’t everyone?). No really I am. I am not offended. I’ve always found it a source of pride. A team would not use the name or image of something that didn’t evoke toughness or superiority or anything in a negative light. I’m proud of that screaming warrior and I also with they would bring back Chief Knockahoma.
Dawg Guy
December 28th, 2012
9:47 am
Paul Lukas doesn’t look Indian to me. Do we just manufacture these controversies?
Mavis Beacon
December 28th, 2012
9:47 am
Tomahawks are ALWAYS fashionable and in style.
Caricatures of drunken Indians full of rage are not.
Pres. Andrew Jackson
December 28th, 2012
9:50 am
They can get as mad as they want, I bet anyone offended would still take a 20 dollar bill even though its got my picture on it! But I will make a deal: If they will stop fixong the slots at the casino’s, we will not wear these hats in the playoffs… Fair trade?
And MellowMan: Get real, your a tool! have a good one
Astrid G.
December 28th, 2012
9:50 am
I always thought the indian was laughing
drew
December 28th, 2012
9:52 am
The fact that so many people say they are not offended shows just how shallow “American’s” are. This was NOT our land. We came here and killed its native people.. It’s no different than say Russia invading some country and doing the same. Funny how people who have the good life convieniently forget about the past.
Class A
December 28th, 2012
9:52 am
I LOVE IT, AND I CHALLENGE THE AJC TO IGNORE ALL FUTURE COMMENTS FROM THESE KNUCKLEHEADS WHO ARE TRYING TO STIR UP TROUBLE. I am part Cherokee and I find absolutely nothing wrong with the image.
Chuck Norris
December 28th, 2012
9:52 am
Chuck says: Cap O-K. haha Idiots
Jptuba
December 28th, 2012
9:54 am
There needs to be a third option to vote for:
Not offended, but the Indian looks like he is laughing, not screaming and it looks generally ugly overall.
Go Braves!
PALANA
December 28th, 2012
9:55 am
Personally, I love it. I am descended from Cherokee and feel honored that a native American logo is chosen. And to have the name “BRAVE” as the name of the team is very honorable to me. I wish they would bring back Chief Knockahoma (sp) and Princess Winalotta (sp), they were great to inspire enthusiasm.
getoverit
December 28th, 2012
9:55 am
How does a New Yoker get offended by American Indian references in sports, but not sy anything about the name Yankees? Or the unnofficial name of the Bronx Bombers in this day and age? Amazing.
Mark
December 28th, 2012
9:55 am
FU Paul Lukas. Who are you, again?
J-Dawg
December 28th, 2012
9:55 am
People get offended by EVERYTHING! Who cares! The funny part about is that its NOT offensive! It’s in HONOR of them, NOT making fun of anyone. What’s next, changing the Braves name? What about the Indians logo? Bigger than that, what about the WASHINGTON REDSKINS? You gonna change their name and logo too? This is a bunch of hooha and is not actually a controversy; its a bunch of idiots in the media who hate Atlanta and the Braves and are trying to make a story out of N-O-T-H-I-N-G!! They need to GET OVER THEMSELVES very quickly. This is the DUMBEST thing I’ve ever seen anyone get “offended” over. I can’t WAIT to get one, to hell with these no talent assclowns who are making this a story. Wow. Stop getting offended over EVERYTHING!!!
Rob Stephenson
December 28th, 2012
9:56 am
LOVE the hat! I will buy! Let’s bring back the tee pee in left field and a new Chief Noc-a-Homa!!!!! Whoooaaa OOOOOOOaaaaaH! Go Braves!!!!!
David E.
December 28th, 2012
9:57 am
I love seeing the screaming Indian again. It’s a part of the team’s tradition. Bring back Chief Nocahoma and Princess Pokasingle while you’re at it.
abbysenia
December 28th, 2012
9:58 am
It’s wrong. I used to not understand why it was wrong, till I put some though into it. The closest things we have to this in reference to white people, are , “The Fighting Irish of Nortre Dame.” But the history of that mascot is a little racist as well, in reference to Irish being drunk, rowdy fighters. We don’t have mascots that refer to English, French, White, Blacks, Chinese, Asian etc. Why is it that it’s okay for us to have mascots which denigrate Native Culture, but not any of the other groups I referenced? It’s a little thing…but in the grand scheme of things…wouldn’t it be best to leave ethnic mascots out of the picture?
P.S. I too am Native on both sides.
CJ10
December 28th, 2012
9:59 am
As long as we don’t call it ‘RED SKINS’ i think our screaming indian is fine. Get them to change their logo, then come see us.
Steve Bob
December 28th, 2012
10:00 am
Enter your comments here
Babe Ruth
December 28th, 2012
10:00 am
Please bring back Princess Winnalotta! What a babe she was.
Ellen
December 28th, 2012
10:01 am
Mavis @ 9:44 am
For you to use “again” would imply that I have already received an “F” in English, which, for the record, could not be further from the truth. While I am in no way a big fan of the AJC, they are using an accepted phrase in the US. You may not accept and use the phrase, but do not belittle someone for using it. It can be found in dictionaries. Although the two phrases are not literally the same, figuratively, they are equal.
Barry Obama, community organizer
December 28th, 2012
10:01 am
I find this symbol reprehensible and totally insensitive to Native American sensibilities. I would hope John Schuerholz would rethink using this atrocious caricature. Uplifting the spirits of Braves’ fans at the expense of our Native American brethren isn’t the way to go in this age.
GRAPHITE
December 28th, 2012
10:03 am
There may not be an Indian Tribe nearby,but Turner Field was built on sacred burial grounds. A curse is on them and they will not prosper.
Junior Sample
December 28th, 2012
10:03 am
I never heard of an Indian tribe called the Braves.
Mountain Man
December 28th, 2012
10:03 am
I am offended by people that are offended.
Michelle
December 28th, 2012
10:05 am
I voted “I’m offended” because there’s not an option for “I don’t like it”. I don’t get offended easily. And I have no dog in this fight. I just think the A brings more pride to me than that screaming head will.
Alan
December 28th, 2012
10:05 am
Barry Obama, community organizer = TOTAL LOSER!
Mavis Beacon
December 28th, 2012
10:06 am
I see that as of 10:04 am, the AJC has finally corrected and updated the text of their poll question.
“Better Late Than Never,” I suppose.
Zac
December 28th, 2012
10:06 am
I’m less offended by the logo than I am offended by the comments made by people criticizing those who disapprove of its use.
hornblowermg
December 28th, 2012
10:07 am
get over it. most of the really native people that i know recognize a brave logo to be just that; a brave person to be admired and respected for the qualities that designate a brave.
Anthony
December 28th, 2012
10:08 am
If you are not of Indian ancestors do you really have a “VALID” opinion on this matter???
thecarnivore123
December 28th, 2012
10:09 am
Love the hat! The only controversy is why the AJC tried to make it a controversy. NEWS FLASH … political correctness ended like 7 years ago.
Mavis Beacon
December 28th, 2012
10:09 am
I love the Braves, but I personally think that new Indian logo is uglier than Michelle 0bama. Our beloved baseball team can do much better, fashion-wise.
Markman
December 28th, 2012
10:11 am
OMG……get over it!! I’m part Cherokee Indian and do not take offense to any of these logos, if anything it is keeping the American Indian culture in the mainstream!! I LOVE the hat!!
Go BRAVES!!!
Dan C.
December 28th, 2012
10:13 am
I grew up near Milwaukee as an Old Brave’s fan. Have been my whole life. I love the old logo. There’s alot worse things in this country to worry about then the logo of a baseball team. Happy New Year
Ed C Smith
December 28th, 2012
10:15 am
I don’t like it because the cap color is wrong. A Braves Cap should be blue and red. I’ve been a Braves fan since the 1950s. I loved the uniforms they wore in Milwaukee. If the cap goes to blue with a red bill, then I’ll like it.
sheepdawg
December 28th, 2012
10:17 am
why be racist in 2013?
Steve Bob
December 28th, 2012
10:18 am
First of all, it’s not a “blue rimmed hat.” It’s a blue hat or cap. I don’t see a rim. While I agree that red and blue don’t go together, it’s not the worst design I’ve ever seen. But what I dislike the most is the furor over depicting a “screaming Indian” on the cap. The so called “Screaming Indian” is a depiction of a “Brave” captured at moment that he is giving his war cry. It’s not demeaning. It’s a celebration of the well documented warrior spirit common to native Americans.
H
December 28th, 2012
10:18 am
Way to go Braves. Show a little backbone. The Screamin Indian should have been on last year’s retro uni. I have a news flash for all you fake protestors. The people who show up one series a year and remind us how bad we all were 100 years ago do not go to Braves games.
Barry Obama, community organizer
December 28th, 2012
10:18 am
I suspect the Braves’ organization. located in the “red state” of Georgia, and the majority of its redneck fan base are the kinds of folks still clinging to their guns and religion, and continue to fly the Confederate battle flag in the face of 25% of its citizens.
Hope and change will soon be coming to Georgia in the form of some pre-Bush era tax rates that will bring some fairness to the less fortunate in our society.
Chrono
December 28th, 2012
10:18 am
Why don’t we object to depictions of the Fighting Irish, Vikings, Cowboys, Moutaineers, etc? I guess they’re too white for you to care. I celebrate the Braves hertiage, and admire the native american spirit behind the team’s name/symbols. I will definitely buy a cap.
Joseph
December 28th, 2012
10:19 am
Sadly, how soon WE forget that it used to be the Sambo logo that sports teams depicted. The indian logo has been removed from the uniform since 1989 for a reason, it was deemed offensive.
“Compassion will cure more sins than condemnation.” Henry Ward Beecher (think about it.
Adam
December 28th, 2012
10:20 am
Why needlessly start a controversy? If you want to merchandise the logo, fine. But making it a part of the official team uniform makes a political statement. Whether you agree or disagree with the statement the organization is throwing the players into a political situation. They’re there to play ball not deal with racial politics. We may disagree with liberal political ultra sensitivity, but I don’t want Jason Heyward to have to answer questions about this crap all year long.
And frankly, I’m sick of dealing with racial politics in sports. Whether its offensive or not is not even an issue I want to deal with. Let’s just play ball and leave race issues out of it.
gresham brown
December 28th, 2012
10:21 am
Don’t bother me, I’m a native American, born right here in the good ole US of A!
TechRon
December 28th, 2012
10:21 am
And by the way, the selection of the term “Braves” is to honor the American Indian, not to make fun of them. You would not associate a name with your team that you would not personally want your own name connected with. Remember the FSU Seminole thing? The tribe came forward and told the do gooders to get lost. They are proud that a great school like FSU is using their name. It brings honor to both the school and the tribe. Get lost, do gooders. Get lost, media idiots who continually dredge up this nonsense.
jmac83
December 28th, 2012
10:24 am
If we can just eliminate symbols like this hat logo, it will immediately start America down the road of redressing all wrongs done to tribes by European immigrants and persuade native Americans forgive the Trail of Tears. Wasting energy fighting meaningless battles: A modern American tradition.
TechRon
December 28th, 2012
10:24 am
Or we could roll over and do what Stanford did. They were the “indians” but bowing to the PC police, they are now the Cardinal. Not the bird, the color. I think Syracuse did the same thing, going from “Orangemen” to “Orange”. Total idiocy. What should the Braves become, the Atlanta Blue? Atlanta Chartreuse?
Captain Midnight
December 28th, 2012
10:24 am
“Much like the rebel flag, we should consider relegating native american mascots to the past and let’s march on into the future and continue on with the Southern cultural genocide unapposed”.
Chant
December 28th, 2012
10:26 am
Ohhhh-ooooh-o-o-o,oh-o, uh-o-o-o!
bravo bravos
December 28th, 2012
10:27 am
I agree with Joseph’s comments and with Adam’s remark “Why needlessly start a controversy?” As for the hat, it is ugly. The recent uniforms look good including the ones for bp.
alphadog
December 28th, 2012
10:28 am
Why even go there? Where was the demand to see the old logo? Is the organization so desperate for publicity that they have to get in the news this way?
OTP
December 28th, 2012
10:29 am
It is a “Brave” on the cap. They are called the “Braves”. It should not be controversial.
bamaguy
December 28th, 2012
10:30 am
Adam is correct. It is unnecessary “clutter.” The only reason to bring it back is to make money from selling merchandise. And it has been my observation that the Braves organization is much more interested in profit than in winning the World Series. You see it in almost every decision they make.
dmr
December 28th, 2012
10:30 am
Why can we not use this as a means of “honoring” the heritage of the Indian tribes that used to occupy the land in the South. As the years go by and we become more of a techno society, the heritage and history of of civilazations and cultures from the past get lost.
JimBoBob
December 28th, 2012
10:30 am
It makes me want a Khans hotdog and a cold Falstaff.
wdb
December 28th, 2012
10:32 am
Seeing the “screaming indian” immediately makes me think of all the positive qualities of the American indian (wise, brave, etc). This is just how I “think”. I believe most people believe the same. The “screaming indian” also reminds me to respect native Americans for what they have been put through over the years by our gubment. What does it say about you if this logo offends you???
Woof
December 28th, 2012
10:32 am
How is this offensive? Isn’t having a team named after you a good thing?
USC TROJANS FAN
December 28th, 2012
10:33 am
as a dodgers fan i love it…it reminds me of when the braves sucked during the 1970’s and 80’s
johnB
December 28th, 2012
10:33 am
What exactly are we supposed to be nostalgic for?
The Braves did not do jack until the ’90’s.
rlm
December 28th, 2012
10:33 am
Sorry I think it is tacky looking plus it is evidently offensive to some but downright tacky is the real reason I do not like it. Those who picked it and like it are tasteless.
In a few more years we can get rid of people like Alan who only likes whites which would be okay with me. I am all white myself from the Mayflower but true Americans welcome everyone.
Bring back Chief Knocka Homa!!
December 28th, 2012
10:36 am
LOVE the hat and will buy one for sure!
Lew
December 28th, 2012
10:40 am
I have no problem with the logo, but the hat lacks something – maybe if they made the logo multi-colored. It’s very plain.
southern hope
December 28th, 2012
10:41 am
I’m usually sensitive to clod-head moves like this…but i have to say that it’s 100% great with me…in fact, I may buy this hat!
SBinF
December 28th, 2012
10:42 am
Which Indian nation is this guy supposed to depict?
If you can’t answer the question, that should tell you why it’s a poorly thought out logo.
Braves Fan
December 28th, 2012
10:42 am
I’ve always liked the Braves logos. The “screaming Indian” as it is called always looked like a happy, smiling Indian to me ever since I was a child. I miss Chief Noc-a-homa and thought it was a positive, creative use of the play on words and actually raised people’s awareness of indigenous people. It’s unfortunate that some people are offended by the symbolism, especially native Americans. I don’t believe that the symbols are negative nor does it portray Native Americans in a bad light. As long as the symbols, chants, phrases associated with sports is not derogatory then it only serves to heighten people’s awareness (existence) of the Native American culture.
what of it?
December 28th, 2012
10:43 am
I’m offended that people are offended by such a logo. I don’t think they should be allowed to express themselves for that reason.
While we’re at it, can we also get the tee-pee reinstated. It’d be great to put out there next to the giant drum where chief knock-a-homa would have easy access to it.
ATL Fan
December 28th, 2012
10:45 am
I’m offended that the Braves haven’t been to the real post season in years.
"Chef" Tim Dix
December 28th, 2012
10:45 am
We’ll just tell the offended it’s the Village People Indian. That’ll smooth things over.
jmac83
December 28th, 2012
10:46 am
If your argument is, if it offends even a few people, why promulgate the logo? then it’s just as valid to suggest: If you’re offended, consider well whether you’re being silly and hypersensitive and should just shut up.
Gene
December 28th, 2012
10:48 am
I am offended by Chipper Jones season-ending error
Vince Doodley
December 28th, 2012
10:48 am
Oh, Im gonna buy this MF’er just because its possibly politically incorrect. I dont think its offensive, but people who are offended by such things offend me. So I intend to piss them off.
urban redneck
December 28th, 2012
10:48 am
it’s all over the news, even national news…………apparently lots of people are offended. i am not one of them. even though i personally like it, i don’t think it is a great idea. too many people get their skippies in a wad these days. i don’t really understand why we are returning to a logo that we tried to get away from years before anyone had ever heard the phrase politically correct.
please don’t bust my balls or call me a flaming liberal; you couldn’t be further from the truth. i am just trying to show the other side of the coin. i also plan on buying one of these sweet hats. i offend folks all the time. go bravos.
Vince Doodley
December 28th, 2012
10:49 am
Oh, and I am offended that the braves have Ferdi Gonzalez as a manager.
Dave Perry
December 28th, 2012
10:53 am
I am a Native American I am NOT offended in the least. Get over it you bunch of whining mamma’s boys who take up any liberal freaking cause. Go get a l freaking life!
KJ
December 28th, 2012
10:55 am
Poor downtrodden Indians, I guess they’ll just have to drown their sorrows in their billions of dollars in tax-exempt casino proceeds.
edward g
December 28th, 2012
10:56 am
you guys who hating on those who complain about native american genocide are showing your total depravity. If there was a hell you would surely burn in it for you proud arrogant attitudes.
TrishaDishawareagle
December 28th, 2012
10:59 am
I actually wish we still had Sambo’s restaurants..good food fast service.
@Matt
I have been around the world, and for the most part, the only thing I cared for about foreign cultures was the food, and the Japanese art of ritual suicide, seppuku. I wish more americans would embrace seppuku instead of welfare.
Tom
December 28th, 2012
10:59 am
Native americans should be glad a symbol of their existence is used on a national stage. Otherwise their noble history will be lost to the majority of americans forever. The old western movies are becoming relics. History being taught in school is being “downsized”. Just ask any yung person questions about the American Revolution, Civil War or World War II for that matter. Forget World War I and the Korean War its like they never happened.If the native american keep fighting these symbols their historical footprint will likely disappear.
lol
December 28th, 2012
11:00 am
its so funny how the people complaining about this are not native americans, they are left types that think they know what is best for all of us, despite not being us. Classic Media. Hats are way cool. Going to order 50
Speed Racer
December 28th, 2012
11:02 am
Why the heck do they need a batting practice hat?
OneFreeMan
December 28th, 2012
11:04 am
Caring about offending others is the last thing many people will do. If it’s not offensive then why bother.
dumb in the south
December 28th, 2012
11:05 am
As you can see most on this poll don’t see any offense. With all that the human mind can accomplish the organization is not creative enough to have avoided this unnecessary offense. Way to show the limits of the imagination. Or maybe that’s the best they can do.
Ray
December 28th, 2012
11:09 am
When do they go on sale? Cant wait to pick one up. Takes me back.
td
December 28th, 2012
11:09 am
I always thought it was a laughing Indian. He seemed happy.
Josh
December 28th, 2012
11:10 am
… and the idiot who wrote the ESPN piece gave the Braves an “F” for their supposedly-offensive (to whom?) cap, and the Indians a “C” since it’s too plain/identity crisis.
What a moron.
Best Regular Season Team in Baseball
December 28th, 2012
11:11 am
Who cares…. Win a playoff game!
"Chef" Tim Dix
December 28th, 2012
11:11 am
imBoBob
December 28th, 2012
10:30 am
It makes me want a Khans hotdog and a cold Falstaff.
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While wearing my Coosa River Slacks. Count me in.
SBinF
December 28th, 2012
11:13 am
It’s rather telling when supposed members of an ethnic group come out of the woodwork on AJC blogs to explain why some move or action is ok, you know….because they’re from that ethnic group.
I never knew that such a large percentage of AJC readers were 1/4 Native American.
GTFan
December 28th, 2012
11:15 am
I could care less because the Braves suck, and will suck again! The state of Georgia is more interested in football then baseball.
Grammar Chick
December 28th, 2012
11:15 am
Thanks AJC folks…I appreciate the poll change
TrishaDishawareagle
December 28th, 2012
11:15 am
It is not like the injun is holding a scalp in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in the other..It’s a caption of a battle cry
I think col Sanders put it best when he said “If you like my chicken, buy it, and if you don’t, F**k off”
Areyouseriouslyserious
December 28th, 2012
11:16 am
I think women are being killed by their husbands, children are being killed by evil psychopaths, firemen are being ambushed (WTH?) and who give a flying you-know-what about a freakin mascot! Grab some priorities and find something worthy to talk about! As I’ve said before most of the people raising a ruckus about this that and the other has never got off their arse and marched anywhere for anything!!!
Really Tho? -___-
December 28th, 2012
11:16 am
Being “politically correct” and “sissies” have been an issue long before Obama – who has nothing to do with the issue at hand. So as one of “his goons” I suggest that you take a chair and sit on one of the legs…with no lube.
Dave
December 28th, 2012
11:16 am
Political/cultural concerns aside, that is one ugly hat. Furthermore, I don’t know why the team would want to return to anything connected with the franchis’s “bad old days.” Yes, there was 1969, but we were a laughingstock for most of the next 22 years. I remember it all too well and don’t want to be reminded.
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
11:20 am
I want it more offensive! Maybe casino chips flanking his Indian head! Go Braves!
Doug
December 28th, 2012
11:20 am
I think the retro look is great with or without the Screaming Brave logo. When I see the old logo, the history of Native Americans doesn’t enter my mind. Is it suppose too? We are talking about a sports team here, not the plight of (some) Native Americans. I know we are not suppose to forget the past but come on, lets move on.
Jack in Macon
December 28th, 2012
11:21 am
I love the logo… and, I’m sick and tired of these politically correctness cry-babies.
Adam
December 28th, 2012
11:22 am
Nobody was really talking about it except that one guy…and now you.
“Oh look that one guy thinks this is controversial, let me write a newspaper article about it.”
You’re what’s wrong with journalism today. Congratulations.
Mike A
December 28th, 2012
11:24 am
Disappointing. Those of you dismissing this as political correctness run amok should do some research into the psychological impact of caricatures, particularly on the Native American population. I think many would be surprised at the underlying effect. The Braves should have left this on the shelf, it’s a relic from a less learned age.
Ben
December 28th, 2012
11:24 am
Racism issue aside, it’s aesthetically ugly and muddy from a design perspective. Also, it has no connection to the city of Atlanta: the depiction is of a Sauk not a Cherokee. Difficult to understand why they brought this back other than they are at the bottom of the merchandising barrel. I would have preferred a refined feather from the 70s sleeve, and I’m sure those offended by this image would be less so by that one.
Seriously???
December 28th, 2012
11:25 am
Paul Lukas can go “F” himself!!
I’m 1/4 Indian, and love the use of the screaming Indian logo.
woodrow
December 28th, 2012
11:25 am
You know what. Give them what they want. We don’t like this screaming Indian. It looks stupid. Let’s just put something white and european on there.
Charlie Wheeler
December 28th, 2012
11:25 am
It’s just plain ugly as hell! We don’t need RETRO uniforms!
Patrick
December 28th, 2012
11:26 am
How sad that this question is even brought up in a society who politicizes everything. It’s part of tradition and the history of the game I see no problem with it. The fact that this would even be called into question is pathetic.
Mike in TX
December 28th, 2012
11:26 am
OMG lets not offend anyone with our logo….
/end sarcasm/
The Wad
December 28th, 2012
11:26 am
Go USA(mnesia)- As a history teacher you need to try something else to make your point because your history analogy is way off. Hitler had no need to look to America for any ideas with all that Europe provided him in their history. Now take a deep breath and go play with sharp objects.
Mellowman- Trying to eliminate all traces of factual history does not erase the history itself. That logo could be a ‘cheering’ Indian just as well as a ’screaming’ one. It`s typical of weak minded, no logic liberals to want to change an image as if that actually changes the facts of life. Now take a deep breath and go play with sharp objects.
Josephina
December 28th, 2012
11:28 am
There will always be those who pretend to be offended by the indian logo or the team name Braves. Remember the ‘95 & ‘96 World Series in Atlanta when Fulton County Stadium had to give a space to the so called group of Indians to protest our team name? I look more like an Indian than any of those in that little roped off space with the megahorns spouting off at all of coming to the games. Stupid, just plain stupid.
There are more important things going on in our country and the world than to worry about than a logo on a cap……geeeeezzzzzz!
David Puddy
December 28th, 2012
11:29 am
“How does a newspaper article get away with a poll asking if people “Could Care Less?” The proper phrase is “Couldn’t Care Less…”
Yes,I’m amazed. I often hear educated adults use this phrase “Could care less.” It’s so basic but get by people because they hear it their whole lives….stated incorrectly. My first college English professor began the semester by giving us a ‘hit list’ of often-used words/phrases that were either slang or popular phrases/words that were used out of context. He made it clear that if any of these showed up in class assignments that it would receive an automatic grade of F. It made an impression, to say the least. Of course, one of these happened to be “could care less,” which is the exact opposite of what you actually want to say.
wreckmaniac
December 28th, 2012
11:30 am
Why don’t the whiners just leave ? We know the answer to that don’t we ?
No other nation is open to so many. No other nation has done so much to rectify its past errors.
I agree with the comments from others that Indian names and symbols are not used to denegrate but to recognize with pride as part of our history. Notherners don’t complain because of the nickname
“Yankees” do they ? Of course not.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
11:31 am
Loved reading all the white victim complexes. White folks have the most delicate, easily offended egos of all.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
11:33 am
Josephina
December 28th, 2012
11:28 am
There will always be those who pretend to be offended by the indian logo or the team name Braves. Remember the ‘95 & ‘96 World Series in Atlanta when Fulton County Stadium had to give a space to the so called group of Indians to protest our team name? I look more like an Indian than any of those in that little roped off space with the megahorns spouting off at all of coming to the games. Stupid, just plain stupid.
There are more important things going on in our country and the world than to worry about than a logo on a cap……geeeeezzzzzz!
Essential whiteness
Average Guy
December 28th, 2012
11:34 am
It’s another nice way to honor our native American heroes.
liberalefty
December 28th, 2012
11:34 am
@alan 9:28
there were plenty of problems in the 1950’s like JIM CROW but only a racist would say America had fewer problems back then.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
11:34 am
woodrow
December 28th, 2012
11:25 am
You know what. Give them what they want. We don’t like this screaming Indian. It looks stupid. Let’s just put something white and european on there.
A simple triangle (for the transatlantic slave trade)
Jo yo
December 28th, 2012
11:35 am
I found an old zippo lighter with that logo … Might help the value
David Puddy
December 28th, 2012
11:36 am
“There are more important things going on in our country and the world than to worry about than a logo on a cap……geeeeezzzzzz!”
Yeah, which is exactly the reason the club and its 20-something marketing nitwits should just stay away from the stupid expressions they place on Indian faces. Why put the club in a position to defend this regardless of what side you’re on? Exactly why is this worth it in the first place….to prove you can? As a transplant and moderate Braves fan I can say that the rest of the baseball world marvels at the chopping and chanting at games. It is weird and it just strengthens the stereotype that we’re a bunch of corndog eating bubbas.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
11:36 am
I always thought the Indian was laughing, cheering, and having a good time rather than screaming
liberalefty
December 28th, 2012
11:36 am
@average guy
WHITE people sure love DEAD INDIANS…LOL
SBinF
December 28th, 2012
11:37 am
“Loved reading all the white victim complexes. White folks have the most delicate, easily offended egos of all.”
Sad, but true. Goodness knows, the last thing I need is a bunch of rich old white men telling me that I shouldn’t be offended by something.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
11:38 am
Doug
December 28th, 2012
11:20 am
We are talking about a sports team here, not the plight of (some) Native Americans. I know we are not suppose to forget the past but come on, lets move on.
That’s mighty white of ya, mister
Scott Brantley
December 28th, 2012
11:39 am
If you’re offended, protest, and then get over it.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
11:40 am
SBinF
December 28th, 2012
11:37 am
Sad, but true. Goodness knows, the last thing I need is a bunch of rich old white men telling me that I shouldn’t be offended by something.
Change the logo to Jesus urinating on a burning American flag and see what happens
Keeping it Real
December 28th, 2012
11:40 am
Now can we get Chief Noc-A-Homa back with the teepee?
LeeH1
December 28th, 2012
11:40 am
As a southerner, I’ve always been offended by the New York Yankees. But then, I have always been glad to celebrate when they lose!
TrishaDishawareagle
December 28th, 2012
11:41 am
Nobody said you couldn’t be offended..we just said we don’t care if you are or not..
dumb in the south
December 28th, 2012
11:41 am
Let’s Be Real
December 28th, 2012
11:33 am
It’s called, A Possessive Investment in Whiteness. It’s an interesting read.
Native American
December 28th, 2012
11:41 am
South American Warriors living in America at the time.
Old Violin
December 28th, 2012
11:42 am
I’ve always tried to look at these symbols as “Honoring” these Native Americans, and not as begrading them. Maybe a royalty could be set up where they share in the monetary rewards of these sales. I certainly feel like these native americans deserve our honor and respect because this was their land first. My grandmother was part Cherokee, so I have a great deal of love in my heart for her people….
Insight
December 28th, 2012
11:44 am
I don’t like it. I think we do need to consider how something like this might offend others. But more than that, I just think it looks stupid. I prefer the A for Atlanta. Those who think that being inconsiderate and brash is cool are probably spending more time picking the lint out of the belly button and swilling beer than doing any higher level thinking. Further, just because you have a drop of some Native American blood in you doesn’t make you a spokesman for anyone besides yourself, so you get over yourself. So, my vote is I don’t like because I don’t like it.
David Puddy
December 28th, 2012
11:44 am
“I never knew that such a large percentage of AJC readers were 1/4 Native American”
Most of these people don’t have a clue what they are……
Anyway, interns must be creating these polls. How about another one: I think the new logo is stupid!
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
11:45 am
“Political correctness” is white code for “they won’t let me use racial epithets openly anymore.” People who complain about the world being “too PC” are the real crybabies.
AtlantaDeKalbMan
December 28th, 2012
11:47 am
My mom’s side of the family is COMPLETELY screwed up! My grandfather’s father was part Mohawk and African-American, and my grandmother’s mother was part Blackfoot and African-American. But my grandfather’s father married and great-grandmother who Irish and African-American, and my grandmother’s mother married my great-grandfather who was “White” and Portuguese.
My generation is the first generation in my family that comes from “African-Americans” simply because my dad’s side has no history (that we know of) of biracial ancestors. Since I just claim to be part Barack Obama and Tiger Woods I don’t know what to get offended of.
TrishaDishawareagle
December 28th, 2012
11:49 am
If they use the hat for hitting practice maybe it should be black man Andruw Jones’ face on the cap
David Puddy
December 28th, 2012
11:49 am
Why the club continues to find ways to bring this up is amazing. Does anyone in that organization pay attention to what is going on or are they just all fat, dumb, and happy? I assume Wren has been in a perpetual nap since the winter meetings after having spent several days in all-u-can-eat buffets in Nashville. So,I’ll allow an exemption here.
Atlanta Blue
December 28th, 2012
11:49 am
I’m not offended, it’s just ugly! Batting practive hats? Since when do we need separate hats for batting practice? Oh yeah, when there was another dollar to be made from merchandising.
Ted
December 28th, 2012
11:50 am
Bring back chief knockahoma – that’ll make people’s head explode!
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
11:54 am
The Braves should get John Rocker and Roger McDowell to promote this
P Rose
December 28th, 2012
11:55 am
And Notre Dame should change their name, too! Those poor Irish have been offended too long.
Rhonda Hammond
December 28th, 2012
11:55 am
I have never understood the offense. Teams don’t pick weaklings to be their mascot. It is actually a compliment.
Banned Poster
December 28th, 2012
12:00 pm
How is this any different than the logo the Cleveland Indians have been wearing on their hats for the last 30+ years? Come on AJC, slow news day?
David Puddy
December 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
“The Braves should get John Rocker and Roger McDowell to promote this..”
Funny. To this day I cringe when I hear Rocker as a guest on a radio program. Reminds me of the detective who screwed up the OJ case and,since then, regularly appears on TV programs to give his insight on new criminal cases.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
Hix, Duane. “Whiteness Under Attack: The PC Liberals Have Done Made Me Mad” University of Georgia Press, 2012.
Ghruten
December 28th, 2012
12:02 pm
It’s just an ugly hat, the logo should not be all red.
Where have all the thick-skinned people gone?
December 28th, 2012
12:03 pm
When Native Americans organize and petition to change the logo, hear them out and work out an alternative. When PC whiners petition to change the logo, ignore them or advise them to whine about the million and one bigger problems before bothering Braves fans.
David Puddy
December 28th, 2012
12:03 pm
“I have never understood the offense. Teams don’t pick weaklings to be their mascot. It is actually a compliment.”
That’s because you’re white and benefited from racism and discrimination your whole life. You would not be sensitive to these things, unless you made an effort to understand them.
silver britches
December 28th, 2012
12:04 pm
just shut up already. some folks aint happy unless they are complaining about something. get over yourselves and take a deep breath. I love the hat. I intend to purchase one and wear it with pride. If anyone does not like it then I say DON”T look!
kimmer
December 28th, 2012
12:04 pm
I will never understand why this is even an issue worth mentioning on several levels.
First of all, most teams choose a nickname based upon either a heritage thing or out of admiration of the characteristics of said mascot or both. Native American mascots set in the 17th/18th century were chosen due to their strength, stamina, fierceness in battle, etc. Nobody is making fun of them.
Secondly, their are boilermakers, fighting irish, pioneers, quakers, trojans, moutaineers, volunteers, patriots, rebels, dutchmen, commodores, majors, captains, aggies, cowboys, axemen, lumberjacks, archers, bishops, barons, deacons, knights, britons, buckaneers, cavaliers, crusaders, fighting scots, generals, giants, governors, hatters, hilltoppers, hoosiers, ichabods, judges, leathernecks, loggers, mariners, monarchs, oilers, miners, poets, preachers, ragin cajurs, rangers, roughnecks, sooners, spartans, statesmen, terrible swedes, and the list could go on and on and on…..but to my knowledge nobody else has a problem. WHY?
Thirdly, MEDIA GET OVER YOURSELVES AND QUIT MAKING THIS AN ISSUE!
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
silver britches
December 28th, 2012
12:04 pm
just shut up already. some folks aint happy unless they are complaining about something. get over yourselves and take a deep breath. I love the hat. I intend to purchase one and wear it with pride. If anyone does not like it then I say DON”T look!
Nah you’re just going to make passive-aggressive posts because your feelings are hurt
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
kimmer
December 28th, 2012
12:04 pm
I will never understand why this is even an issue worth mentioning on several levels.
Because you’re lily white
Sam
December 28th, 2012
12:08 pm
Love it! Bring back Chief Noc-A-Homa too!
"Chipper" Hefner
December 28th, 2012
12:10 pm
WWBCS what would Bobby Cox say?
liberalefty
December 28th, 2012
12:11 pm
i love when white people say minorities shouldnt be offended by racism
George H. Shapiro
December 28th, 2012
12:12 pm
A terrible idea. Insensitive to the concernes of Native Americans. Unnecessarily so. Could lead to increased efforts to cause the team to change from “Braves” to something more innocuous and with less history and tradition.
btwarren
December 28th, 2012
12:13 pm
I’m not native american so it doesn’t offend me personally, but I could see why someone might be offended. I’ll leave that up to Native Americans to decide if it is offensive. My personal opinion would be that the name Braves is not disrespectful, as being brave is generally considered to be a good thing. redskins on the other hand takes a trait of a group of people and turns it into something less that what it should be.
Crying Indian
December 28th, 2012
12:13 pm
Let me help you understand why it’s offensive. The whites invaded the lands of the Native Americans, they made treaties and then broke them when they found gold, and then they forced them onto the trail of tears. Now your idea of honoring the Native Americans is to slap on a a stereotyped graphic to use as a mascot? Please!
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
12:14 pm
“Chipper” Hefner
December 28th, 2012
12:10 pm
WWBCS what would Bobby Cox say?
“I managed to lose 4 World Series and fans still adore me so they must really be as dumb as I think they are.”
Todd
December 28th, 2012
12:15 pm
Nothing controversial about it. The AJC and media is making the logo controversial!
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
12:17 pm
Change the name of the Braves to the WASPs and use a stylized image of Mitch McConnell as the logo
Corey
December 28th, 2012
12:19 pm
Rename them the Atlanta Red Necks and place the likeness of Honey Boo Boo on the caps. You better red neckanize!
AskTheTribes
December 28th, 2012
12:21 pm
Why don’t you poll the Tribes? They are the ones who should be asked.
Big Donnie
December 28th, 2012
12:23 pm
I mean, it’s an illustration of an indian brave. What could possibly be offensive about it? It’s not depicting Native Americans in a negative light in any way, shape or form – it’s just a headshot. If people are seriously offended by this, just take your ball and run home, crybabies
Russdawg
December 28th, 2012
12:24 pm
Love it, Love it, Love it. Trying to find the thing online but no luck, yet.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
12:25 pm
Big Donnie
December 28th, 2012
12:23 pm
I mean, it’s an illustration of an indian brave. What could possibly be offensive about it?
Asks a white man
love it
December 28th, 2012
12:28 pm
I love it. Just wish they made stretch/flex fit hats that didn’t have such structured fronts. I want a hat, not a crown.
Raiderbeater
December 28th, 2012
12:32 pm
Most tribes want royalties paid to them for it…..none think it is offensive. It’s not about racism…its about money. This is stupid. I am of British ancestory….I plan on suing the New England Patriots for their throw back uniforms featuring an American Patriot….quit offensive to me and my heritage and all.
Mr. Hankey (Pankey.)
December 28th, 2012
12:33 pm
Bring it on. I’ve missed it. Best logo in MLB by far. To heck in a handbag if we offend the injuns. Tell them to go count their casino money and shuck the f up and take all the “offended” people and hang their scalps from turner field.
Jeff
December 28th, 2012
12:35 pm
This reminds of “Diversity Day” on TV’s The Office.
Michael Scott to Oscar Martinez: “Is there a term besides Mexican that you prefer? Something less offensive?”
AskTheTribes
December 28th, 2012
12:35 pm
Guess Mr. Hankey Pankey did not read the part about keeping comments cordial.
TrishaDishawareagle
December 28th, 2012
12:38 pm
@ Lets Be Real
I love it when blacks complain about whitey keeping them down, since whites knocked up all the black women in the ghetto and then ran off instead of be a father..ops that was black guys..my bad
Sharia
December 28th, 2012
12:40 pm
Well i’m surprised so many native americans on this board like it, especially when the colonists that created it also held bounty for their corpses & eventually their human skins to exterminate them from their own land…maybe that’s why the “indian” is screaming…but hey, if they like it I love it…
"Chef" Tim Dix
December 28th, 2012
12:41 pm
I am a native American. I was born here. Who is this suppose to offend and who is this in reference to, the ORIGINAL Americans? If I were of negro decent would that make me any less a native American? Or would that make me an African American?
BTW, if my Caucasian parents were from Africa and I was born in the U.S. does that not make me a native American too?
The root problem is that in expressing our diversity we divide as countrymen when we hyphenate American.
Too many damn boxes to check, I say.
Big Donnie
December 28th, 2012
12:41 pm
Maybe they should’ve just made the indian appear drunk and shown a half-empty bottle of booze on the logo?
Spike Lee, spokesman for African-America
December 28th, 2012
12:41 pm
Of their current 25 man roster, the Braves only have two African-Americans – BJ Upton and Jason Heyward. Not one Native American is represented. What would you expect for a team that represents a state that has a Confederate symbol as its state flag.
And NO I will not be seeing “Django” or any other false reprseentation of slavery in America !
Big Donnie
December 28th, 2012
12:42 pm
THAT would be reason to cry foul — not just a picture of an indian brave
Bobby
December 28th, 2012
12:44 pm
There comes a time to let things go. That symbol does nothing promote the redneck image of the Braves, Atlanta and the State of Georgia.
Brian
December 28th, 2012
12:46 pm
I’m buying one just to piss off the people that don’t like it! I am for pot legalization as well, and drinking on Sundays!
Aubrey
December 28th, 2012
12:49 pm
I’d buy one just to irritate leftists like Lucas.
Aubrey
December 28th, 2012
12:50 pm
Bobby….let it go then!
Erin "spike the ball" Murray
December 28th, 2012
12:51 pm
I’m sure the black people are offended somehow.
Popcorn Sutton
December 28th, 2012
12:57 pm
Aint no reason for people to be offended. No matter if your white black or indian. It’s a dang logo and it aint even offensive! Heck if there were a team called the Tennessee Moonshiners or even Tennessee Hillybillys I’d be a buyin all their gear and be dam proud of it… and I is both of those… a shiner and a hillbilly.
Dawg in Cali
December 28th, 2012
12:58 pm
WOW!!!!! I love this hat!! I will be rocking one in SoCal as soon as they go on sale. If it offends you……….so. You offend You!!
Putzy Nomnom
December 28th, 2012
12:59 pm
As a long-time Braves fan and a bit of an antiques enthusiast I am excited by the logo. It is full of energy and it has serious nostalgic value for me.
However . . . having said that, I am not Native American and I cannot presume to speak for or over the sensibilities of others whose culture may or may not be trivialized through sportswear imagery.
So basically if you’re offended by it, I won’t wear it.
But I can assure you that if the market responds with increased demand for this product I will begin producing my own replica caps with this exact logo/design and selling them through the proper channels.
Neither MLB nor the Atlanta Braves organization has the ability to restrict my use of that particular image or to prevent me from introducing items bearing that mark into the stream of commerce.
Why? you might ask.
The answer is similar. The Patent and Trademark Office through the Lanham Act does not offer trademark protection to offensive marks. Clearly this mark is offensive – in the same way that the Washington Redskins moniker is offensive, as a matter of law. (Google it up, dummy)
So, I am free to produce and distribute my own version of this very hat, and other “licensed” makers have no legal recourse.
Also, as a side note, all of you people who say the feelings of Native Americans regarding use of this and similar images are irrelevant are, well, irrelevant. Obviously it is good for you to be able to come here and post your opinion on the matter, but certainly you must realize that a grand total of zero important people in the world would give one penny for your opinion. Why? Because you have no credentials to support your backward positions. At the end of the day, no matter how loudly and confidently you shout your opinions and no matter how catchy your slogan, you’re still just a dumb hick with a mindset blunted by an acute lack of reference.
Dawg in Cali
December 28th, 2012
1:00 pm
Erin. I’m black. You’re an …..! Fill in the blanks. Have a nice day.
Jimmy Foley
December 28th, 2012
1:00 pm
Put a buck tooth white dude in glasses wearing a bow-tie and watch how many white folks get their panties in a wad! NONE!
Cumming Banker
December 28th, 2012
1:05 pm
I like the hat. It reminds me of one I had when I was a child.
I lack the emotional or intellectual capacity to analyze the other issue(s).
Jimmy Foley
December 28th, 2012
1:06 pm
@Bobby, I bet you’ve never been drunk, or gotten laid or even been camping or anything, have you?
And Spike LEE – Black rep – Georgia hasn’t had a confederate logo on its flag in about 5 years! duh
Atlanta Blue
December 28th, 2012
1:06 pm
“The Patent and Trademark Office through the Lanham Act does not offer trademark protection to offensive marks. Clearly this mark is offensive – in the same way that the Washington Redskins moniker is offensive, as a matter of law.”
Nothing will convince the Braves to change their logo any faster than the inability to protect it! If they can’t make a buck on it, then they will change to something that will. Money talks a LOT more than complaints.
Tman
December 28th, 2012
1:07 pm
I love it, and I’ve always thought the “screaming Indian” was cool. The old pinstripes uniform from the late ’60s with it on the sleeves looked great, and I wish they’d return to that sometimes. I wish people would get over the political correctness angle. I’m part Irish and a little french, but do I get offended at the Lucky Charms lecprechon or Pepi LePew? No, and neither should Native Americans be offended by the Braves.
ideas
December 28th, 2012
1:09 pm
As a part Indian, I am proud for them use the word BRAVE. That a describing verb and to my ancestors character and I love for sports teams to use that. I love the hat and will buy it if I can.
Atlanta Blue
December 28th, 2012
1:10 pm
“The answer is similar. The Patent and Trademark Office through the Lanham Act does not offer trademark protection to offensive marks. Clearly this mark is offensive – in the same way that the Washington Redskins moniker is offensive, as a matter of law. (Google it up, dummy)”
The US Court of Appeals overturned the original trial court and protected the logos of the Washington Redskins. The Supreme Court refused to review the appeal. The Redskins logos are protected by law.
Happy brave is here
December 28th, 2012
1:15 pm
Not bother me at all about time Put the screamin indian face back should be on players sleeves and under braves Logo in front by there Number also…they get over it Indian movement and friends….Just on caps leave the A is all….u see….Be fun see old 69 style uniforms of Home team only back too Blue Jays looks better back to Original is better too
Best Time I Ever Had at a Braves Game Involved 28 Stitches and a Settlement Check from the Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium Authority
December 28th, 2012
1:16 pm
That hat is too fancy.
Braves fans need to serve the Lord with modesty and solemnity.
I would prefer a plain blue hat with no logo or maybe a blue hat with a red bill and a silhouette charicature of Tim Tebow on the front.
kimmer
December 28th, 2012
1:19 pm
Be real. How do you presume to know I’m white?
Motocross Survivor
December 28th, 2012
1:21 pm
I guess as long as we have the nation’s capital’s NFL team still called the REDSKINS, the rednecks will still believe screaming Native American racist symbols are ok. Imagine a similar image of an African screaming savage on the caps. Wouldn’t happen in a million years. Political correctness is joke and a sham. Nobody with a brain buys into it, nor do they sit and watch the crushing bore of a “sport” called baseball.
Ted
December 28th, 2012
1:23 pm
May your lame team continue to lose and lose. I love how people have turned this into a political discussion. I also love how the results of the election hurt you right wingers so much that you have to talk about it over and over. Again, may your Braves continue to LOSE!!!!
Chief Jack Mehaughf
December 28th, 2012
1:23 pm
Love this hat. Will have all my brave blackjack dealers wear at our casino.
MeaneyMouse
December 28th, 2012
1:26 pm
Heeeyyy you danged wood chucks stop chucking my wood
Bravesfan
December 28th, 2012
1:34 pm
I think people today just look for things to complain about.. My great grandmother was full blooded Cherokee indian, and I do not find this offensive. If people are going to complain about a logo on a cap, why don’t the bird lovers complain about the Cardinals and Orioles on those uniforms. People need to get a life. I love my country, I love my God and I love my Braves baseball…
Mike B
December 28th, 2012
1:40 pm
Lmao I love the post By WTF great post
Lifelong Braves Fan in Jax
December 28th, 2012
1:40 pm
Ah! Yes!!
The obligatory, “it’s the off season, and I have nothing better to do with my time” person that does not KNOW the history of the Braves, WILL NOT do his research, into the logo, and COULD CARE LESS who HE offends with HIS remarks. Take your comments elsewhere, for those of us who truly are ATLANTA BRAVES fans, don’t care what you think. And I’ll be buying the hat, when it’s available.
Dum-Bass
December 28th, 2012
1:42 pm
I’m more offended by the jerseys with “Los” whatever on them. This is the USA not Mexico or some other South American country!
T
December 28th, 2012
1:43 pm
I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! I’M NATIVE AMERICAN AND I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS TO COME BACK FOREVER. IT IS A TRUE HONOR TO HAVE THIS LOGO. I WILL BUY A LOT OF MERCHANDISE WITH THIS LOGO ON IT.
History
December 28th, 2012
1:45 pm
Thank you Braves for not trying to please the 0.5% of this country and going with pleasing the majority of braves fans who love tradition and heritage…..now with that said, there is one thing left to do….Bring back Chief Knock-a-homa and his Tee-pee to turner field.
Thanks,
History
What's the big deal? . . . Really?
December 28th, 2012
1:47 pm
The posters bold (or stupid) enough to post the . . . “I’m 1/4 Native American and I’m not offended . . . ” are a momentary source of laughter. Ha!
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
1:47 pm
As a white, I’m offended by the old Atlanta Crackers. I’ve never been able to get over it. My life has been a miserable failure due to a team name.
Hammer
December 28th, 2012
1:47 pm
I think it should stay retro…its offensive to some. Or we could rename the team the rednecks and have stupid white guys with beer bellies as the logo…
Spike Lee, spokesman for African-America
December 28th, 2012
1:49 pm
With only 2 African-Americans on the roster, the Braves’ should be renamed the “Atlanta Crackers”.
Old times there are not forgotten !
Native Son
December 28th, 2012
1:50 pm
Ignorant, Offensive, and Racist. But it is the Braves organization, what else would you expect.
angel blue eyes
December 28th, 2012
1:52 pm
I have Cherokee and Blackfoot blood in me. Had a relative that was a Cherokee Chief on a reservation. Still have relatives on a Cherokee reservation. Had relatives on the trail of tears. Had relatives discriminated against becuase of their Indian blood. Oh, sorry, was I supposed to be PC and say Native American? The emblem does not offend me at all. Then again, I grew up a long time ago and quit being so easily offended, especially over such silly, trivial little things.
Bobby
December 28th, 2012
1:54 pm
@Aubrey We can’t let it go with all you racist, homophobic, redneck bigots around. We have to work to raise the intelligence level of Georgia residents. Hopefully people like you will move to the Midwest where you can let go of your selves.
Stupid Looking Hat
December 28th, 2012
1:54 pm
It really is. forget whether it’s offensive or not. It just sucks in general
heartofdarkness
December 28th, 2012
1:55 pm
…not a good look. The logic for the screaming indian’s resurrection is almost non-existent. Therefore, it should be pretty popular in Atlanta.
Bobby's Booger Finger
December 28th, 2012
1:56 pm
I think MLB teams should be sponsored by corporations like Euro soccer teams. The Braves should just wear NAPA/Genuine Parts uni’s and caps.
John Rocker
December 28th, 2012
1:56 pm
If they come in extra large (big enough to fit my large head with super large brain) I’ll order a dozen.
And the first people ain’t no native Americans, they just migrated here first. They wouldn’t be able to speak English today if we hadn’t rounded em all up on reservations and taught them!
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
1:57 pm
It should be the Atlanta Metrosexuals. This truly represents the way every 30-something white guy dresses in town, except for myself, of course. Nice seashell necklace and shiny designer shoes with your jeans, d-bag!!!
Time
December 28th, 2012
1:57 pm
“I’m more offended by the jerseys with “Los” whatever on them. This is the USA not Mexico or some other South American country!”
The problem is, we white folks don’t count to the masters of political correctness. Anyone can do things to offend white people (especially those from the South) all day long and it doesn’t matter. Offending white people is almost a sport to various ethnic and political groups. Noone ever acknowledges that white Europeans were once slaves themselves. But we’re supposed to tip toe around making sure not to offend anyone else because of things that happened hundreds of years ago. And when we do, watch out, your whole life is about to be trashed (see Rocker, John) and turned upside down. Then the same offended people will sit around and laugh because they got another “dumb ignorant redneck”.
Mark me down for one of these hats, I’ll wear it proudly as a Braves fan. If your mind is so small that you think it makes me racist, you probably ought to spend some time looking in the mirror.
The Truth
December 28th, 2012
1:57 pm
As a proud descendant of American Indian indians, I am happy to see the sports organizations that continue to use my heritage to represent their teams. I was disheartened back when the NCAA and its panel of white men decided for my people that references to American Indians were offensive and forced colleges to change their mascots. As far as I’m concerned, if you are offended and are not an American Indian, your opinion doesn’t count. Being a lifelong Braves fan, I’ll be the first in line when the new hats and t-shirts show up in stores. If you’re offended, GFY! Otherwise, Go Braves!
David Puddy
December 28th, 2012
1:59 pm
Amber ‘Angel Eyes’: I love everyone throwing out their American Indian heritage. Funny stuff.
Kris
December 28th, 2012
1:59 pm
It would be nice if Atlanta had a baseball team worthy to wear the offensive hat. And they want us to waste TAX dollars for a new stadium.
Yet GA took away our flag.
GT Mike
December 28th, 2012
2:00 pm
I am part native american indian and have zero issues with the use of these psuedo stereotype images. A brave is just a brave. A chief is just a chief. A viking is still a viking, a patriot is still a patriot whether it is a sports team or a cultural heritage club. Reading more into it than that is hyper sensitivity. Get over yourself.
Would I feel different if I was fully practicing the rituals and customs of any tribe, maybe but I doubt it. In general, the various tribes only took on the combative persona stereotyped by hollywood AFTER they were attacked or displaced as the native land holders. There are countless examples of peaceful coexistence for years and only when explorer, colonist, and settlers began to forcibly take lands did the combative and defensive traits become evident. …for good reasons and with complete justification.
Maybe allowing the sports teams proper use would help those who are ignorant to better appreciate and respect the sacrifices made by native americans when their land was stolen and their culture displaced by white society.
I have no shame in who I am or the mix of heritages in my famly lines.
Chief T
December 28th, 2012
2:00 pm
Love it and wish they used Noc-a-homa on more of their apparel. I already own a retro t shirt with that design. It’s part of our identity. Braves org is first class.
David Puddy
December 28th, 2012
2:01 pm
Someone told me once that I was part Indian. Therefore,I’m not offended.
Dr. Dingdong
December 28th, 2012
2:01 pm
The Braves cap should have a hemoblast on the front. It could represent the fact that the State of Georgia and it’s inbred ignorant citizens are the cancer that is attached to America’s scrotum.
Bob White
December 28th, 2012
2:03 pm
I am 1/4 whatever ethnicity might be offended by anything, and I am not offended by it.
Translation: I’m an ignorant hick with an anti-intellectual agenda.
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
2:04 pm
Are we talking about feather or dot Indians?
David Puddy
December 28th, 2012
2:05 pm
Dr DingDong, funny stuff.
Time
December 28th, 2012
2:05 pm
Dr. Dingdong should spend some time looking in the mirror.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:06 pm
TrishaDishawareagle
December 28th, 2012
12:38 pm
@ Lets Be Real
I love it when blacks complain about whitey keeping them down, since whites knocked up all the black women in the ghetto and then ran off instead of be a father..ops that was black guys..my bad
I would be ashamed to post a troll that weak
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
2:07 pm
David Puddy, do you have christian rock on all your preset stations?
The Truth
December 28th, 2012
2:07 pm
Dr. Dingdong is clearly white trash that has blown in from up north, and representing one more reason to expel all from Georgia who were not born and raised in the South!
Mike Gee
December 28th, 2012
2:08 pm
Now we need to bring back Chief Knockahoma. Go Braves.
Bob
December 28th, 2012
2:08 pm
I love the logo. The only thing that needs to be mothballed are the piles of male-bovine-originating excrement from the whiny left wing nutjobs.
Neal Boortz
December 28th, 2012
2:10 pm
I’m offended by the offended
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:10 pm
Putzy Nomnom
December 28th, 2012
12:59 pm
…I am not Native American… So basically if you’re offended by it, I won’t wear it.
No surprise there.
Bob
December 28th, 2012
2:11 pm
Of course, the reason I love the logo is because I’m white, hate everyone who isn’t white, and like to mock everyone else by putting images of their fierce warriors on my sports teams uniforms.
We seriously need to rethink the whole universal suffrage proposition. There needs to be some minimum level of rationality to be permitted engagement in the public sphere.
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
2:11 pm
I wish we were the Atlanta Predators. We could make ourselves invisible and steal bases all the time! Although, only seeing in infrared may make it hard to find the base. We would have lasers on our shoulders though. That could help.
Carz
December 28th, 2012
2:12 pm
It does not insult a race or a tribe. It honors Braves Warriors.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:12 pm
Jimmy Foley
December 28th, 2012
1:00 pm
Put a buck tooth white dude in glasses wearing a bow-tie and watch how many white folks get their panties in a wad! NONE!
Not clever. How about Calvin peeing on the Bible?
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:14 pm
Tman
December 28th, 2012
1:07 pm
I wish people would get over the political correctness angle.
And it’s very easy to say that when you’re white and do not know what oppression and bigotry are.
TG
December 28th, 2012
2:14 pm
Looks like something a truck driver would wear.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:16 pm
Bravesfan
December 28th, 2012
1:34 pm
I think people today just look for things to complain about.. My great grandmother was full blooded Cherokee indian, and I do not find this offensive.
Ah, but you didn’t ask her how she felt–you just arrogantly claimed since a small fraction of your lineage isn’t white that you can. Go away.
steve
December 28th, 2012
2:18 pm
I do not see anything offensive it it at all. However, I personally do not care for it. Plus, why a special hat just for batting practice?
John Rocker
December 28th, 2012
2:20 pm
GT Mike – You’re spouting the kind of revisionist history that encourages racism. The first people fought and killed each other for centuries before the Euros arrived. Secondly, many of the first people were nomadic and even those that weren’t very rarely had any sense of owning land so how could it have been stolen from them? You people been getting rich with all those monopolistic casinos the government lets you have so quit crying.
Come to think of it the Injun on the logo should be cryin, that would more accurately depict the history of the Braves.
BOISESTATEBRONCO
December 28th, 2012
2:21 pm
I have been hoping for this for a while! I’d really like to see Noc-a-Homa make a full time return to Braves merchandising.
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
2:22 pm
I’m 100% native american. The hat should be used because all of the stereotypes are true. I hate to admit this, but my parents use to make me put deer skin over my back and hunt buffalo. If I had a successful kill with my bow and arrow, we would lose our minds and whoot and hollar in a circle with dancing. Then….we would return to the teepee and smoke peace pipe. Redman tobacco was all dad would allow us to chew. My sister makes beaded ornaments, if you can believe it. Shocker, huh.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:22 pm
Seriously loving the people still using the “I’m 1/16th Cherokee so I think I can talk with authority here.” Well, maybe you are, but that still means you are 15/16ths white.
LegionOfDome
December 28th, 2012
2:25 pm
“Amazing how pathetic this country has become. I remember the 50’s when it was mostly white and we had such few problems. Amazing how much has changed since we have become more “diverse.””
Alan, I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not. Let’s hope it is.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:25 pm
Bob
December 28th, 2012
2:11 pm
Of course, the reason I love the logo is because I’m white, hate everyone who isn’t white, and like to mock everyone else by putting images of their fierce warriors on my sports teams uniforms.
We seriously need to rethink the whole universal suffrage proposition. There needs to be some minimum level of rationality to be permitted engagement in the public sphere.
I agree completely because you’re much too stupid to qualify. Be thankful breathing is an involuntary reflex, otherwise you’d die.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:26 pm
Carz
December 28th, 2012
2:12 pm
It does not insult a race or a tribe. It honors Braves Warriors.
No, it demeans and trivializes them.
Neal Boortz
December 28th, 2012
2:30 pm
I miss the 1950s. Being white still meant something.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:33 pm
The same white people who demand that blacks and Indians “move on from the past” are more than happy to live in the past themselves and bring back many of the hackneyed, offensive reminders of the bad old days–like Chief Noc-A-Homa.
It’s simple white people: if you’re going to go back in time, so is everyone else.
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
2:37 pm
I’m a bird. I’m offended that the Falcons have decided to make fun of our species. I will crap on everyone’s car who does not agree with me.
We're all offended...change our logos and mascots now !!
December 28th, 2012
2:37 pm
Cornhuskers, Pirates, Mountaineers, Hilltoppers, Boilermakers, Hoosiers, Spartans, Trojans, Sun Devils, Blue Devils, Red Devils, Rebels, Fighting Irish, Lumberjacks, Black Knights, Tar Heels, Orangemen, Red Raiders, Buccaneers, Midshipmen, Cowboys, Friars, Vandals, Hoyas, Sooners – please stop making a mockery of us !! we can’t take it anymore !!
Call It Like It Is
December 28th, 2012
2:38 pm
I will be honest, white guy here, and no I don’t understand the issue. To me it seems that most teams wish to have a powerful mascot to represent themselves, I would be honor to have something represent my past. The only thing I could claim a little bit of would be the vikings. I don’t know are their white people mad about that name or the celtics? All I know growing up “and I’m showing my age” playing cowboys and Indians, I always wanted to be the Indian because I thought they were bad a**.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:39 pm
We’re all offended…change our logos and mascots now !!
December 28th, 2012
2:37 pm
Cornhuskers, Pirates, Mountaineers, Hilltoppers, Boilermakers, Hoosiers, Spartans, Trojans, Sun Devils, Blue Devils, Red Devils, Rebels, Fighting Irish, Lumberjacks, Black Knights, Tar Heels, Orangemen, Red Raiders, Buccaneers, Midshipmen, Cowboys, Friars, Vandals, Hoyas, Sooners – please stop making a mockery of us !! we can’t take it anymore !!
Most of those are not insensitive or demeaning. But don’t let me stand in the way of your white victim complex.
REAGAN2016
December 28th, 2012
2:40 pm
OBVIOUSLY ANYONE OFFENDED BY THISE IS STUPID N PROBABLY ON WEALTHFARE AND A GUN CONTROL ADVOCATE WHO JUST WANTS NO ONE TO HAVE ANY FUN GET A JOB YOU SISEY LIBERAL
jimmy...wa
December 28th, 2012
2:41 pm
Where…can…I…buy…one?
CC
December 28th, 2012
2:41 pm
May as well get everyone’s shorts in a knot, those who care so much about things like this — then, when they’re all so red-faced and distracted — whup up on ‘em.
Great strategy!
Go Braves!! Scalp ‘em!!!
Phil McCraken
December 28th, 2012
2:43 pm
@ Ugadawg30-
Buddy, you are a certified moron! I bet you have a lot of shirts w/ whales on them too don’t ya?
Ken Stallings
December 28th, 2012
2:43 pm
I think the Braves need to omit this logo. I can see where it would be offensive just as the Cleveland Indian’s Chief Wahoo is offensive. The thing about the Braves is that they used classic American Indian objects vice a person’s characture. That’s why they avoided much controversy. I mean it’s silly to oppose a tomahawk!
CC
December 28th, 2012
2:44 pm
And for another thing — this is no Screaming Indian — he’s a Happy Indian. I do believe he fits the Braves clubhouse quite nicely.
John H.
December 28th, 2012
2:46 pm
I don’t see the problem. I remember when the Braves used that mascot a lot. What’s wrong with bringing it back I thought the mascot was being jovial, not screaming.
Phil McCraken
December 28th, 2012
2:49 pm
Allow myself to introduce…………………myself.
Ed
December 28th, 2012
2:49 pm
I’m not offended, but then again I’m not a native American. I just don’t like the looks of it on a hat.
Maybe on the arm of the jersey. I think that the hat ought to have an A. No?
If they don’t get a leadoff hitter then I won’t care if they don’t wear anything!
blacks in the rear
December 28th, 2012
2:49 pm
70% of the people from Georgia are evangelicals right-wing racist bigots anyway so the caps fit right in.
jarvis
December 28th, 2012
2:51 pm
@rear, Don’t quote statistics without stating your source please.
jmac83
December 28th, 2012
2:53 pm
The Brave is intended to be screaming about Dan Uggla’s OBP. Or maybe about how his tribe was conquered by a society this PC.
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
2:53 pm
Phil McCraken …… i hope you perish
Whirled Peas
December 28th, 2012
2:57 pm
We want Jane Fonda to wear it.
Phil McCraken
December 28th, 2012
2:58 pm
@ Ugadawg -
We all see right thru you, some old redneck GA fan who wears Hushpuppies, hates non-whites, and eats Hawaiian shaved ice from Frostbite.
jarvis
December 28th, 2012
2:59 pm
@jmac, check that OBP. You’re complaining about the wrong statistic. He ranked 50th in the League. I think you meant Batting Average. He was #3 in all of MLB in Walks.
Ghost of Sinkwich
December 28th, 2012
2:59 pm
I am Irish get rid of the Little Irish Dude Notre Dame. Just kidding; what a bunch of political correct hogwash. I’ll be buying one of those hats.
I IZ REAL
December 28th, 2012
3:01 pm
“Let’s Be Real” is just bitter because after having 17 kids with 17 baby momma’s, he back home living with mommy in the basement. Wait, does government housing come with basements these days?
Anyway, please clean up the crack line off your keyboard and try to find a job. I suppose the “white man” is keeping you down? It’s definitely not the white man, but rather your people being lazy. The white man is actually working and providing for his family. True dat.
47% baby.
Holla. I be real.
Buckhead Benny
December 28th, 2012
3:01 pm
I am offended that people are offended at the old screaming Indian do my feelings count also? Come on, what a joke- If If were a fifth we would all be drunk- Last I checked ideas don’t go off of a popularity contest and if anything I think it keeps the “Indian” spirit alive and well rather than forgotten in some old history book.
People will bitch about anything if you give them a platform to do so.
Norman Cochran
December 28th, 2012
3:01 pm
Some people have just got to find something to B**** about. If it isn’t one thing it is another. Only thing racist now days is when someone makes it racist!
The Duke
December 28th, 2012
3:03 pm
What is controversial? Get over your easily offended self.
redwave73
December 28th, 2012
3:04 pm
I’m offended that folks at the AJC don’t know any better. It is a CAP and not a HAT!! Now, I feel better.
Jeremy
December 28th, 2012
3:07 pm
Paul Lucus is a conservitave right wing nut job who is offended by everything and everyone. If people don’t like it they have a right not to buy it.
Lobosolo
December 28th, 2012
3:09 pm
Funny to read all of you crackuhs talking about offending other people… your day is coming… sooner than you think… you rednecks will be the minority, and you will get your fair medicine… you’re a dying breed… get used to it…
I IZ REAL
December 28th, 2012
3:17 pm
Speaking of dying breed, how many black on black crimes were reported last night in Atlanta?
LOL.
Holla at cha boy son.
Dick Waters
December 28th, 2012
3:18 pm
Nothing quite like watching a bunch of southern sports fans discuss a controversial social issue. You really have to sift through all the barely-literate, threatening and just mean comments to find any thoughts of remote value.
It’s funny when someone tries to prove something isn’t bigoted or racist by name-calling and knocking entire social groups or cultures. Okay, maybe it’s not funny. Just say I’m prejudiced against folks who can’t have a decent conversation.
I personally like the hat. But I’m surprised they decided to use it (even if it’s just for batting practice) considering the organization has been trying to tone down on the NA stuff for years. I don’t want any negative attention to be brought to our organization so I feel it’d have been best to have just avoided this issue altogether. I’m seeing a lot of negativity on sports blogs surrounding the hat and Atlanta isn’t exactly the best city to be inviting unnecessary racial controversies.
Also, I don’t remember who said it but I read it earlier in the thread: There is a reason there are no Native American tribes near Turner Field (anymore). Read a book, jerk.
Bob White
December 28th, 2012
3:19 pm
I agree with the guy who said ugadawg30 is a moron. He keeps posting stupid crap that he obviously thinks is funny, but there is no way anyone with the emotional maturity would laugh. And he doesn’t know what a metrosexual looks like. seashell necklace? That ain’t metro buddy, and that ain’t no lady you just walked out of the bathroom with. That’s called full-blown AIDS.
I’m still laughing about the “t-shirts with whales on them” comment. I don’t know why; it’s really not that funny, but it was appropriate for ugadawg30, who probably lives in his parent’s basement and fills out applications for two-year colleges all day.
Edward
December 28th, 2012
3:20 pm
Lovely to see the majority here show their true low-class selves. No wonder peopleofwalmart is nearly all southerners. There’s your sign.
Motocross Survivor
December 28th, 2012
3:22 pm
“I think people today just look for things to complain about.. My great grandmother was full blooded Cherokee indian, and I do not find this offensive. ”
Yeah bubba, you and about six dozen other “part Indians” have piped in. Everybody is part Indian and everybody loves the racist N.A. stereotyping. You silly gits simply think the way you are told to think. That’s what TV is for.
“If people are going to complain about a logo on a cap, why don’t the bird lovers complain about the Cardinals and Orioles on those uniforms. ”
Because Cardinals and Orioles do not define human races. That inane comment makes about as much sense as the rest.
Amanda Bone
December 28th, 2012
3:24 pm
It just happened.
3:18PM: the one person with a brain in Atlanta posted a comment.
Dick Waters is right.
The sheriff is near.
I IZ REAL
December 28th, 2012
3:24 pm
There’s nothing offensive about the hat. IT’S A HAT.
Now if the hat said “native americans are fat and stupid”, then you might have a point.
Next, I wish the Braves would put a confederate flag on their jersey sleeves just to make the 47% mad.
Trailer Park Manager
December 28th, 2012
3:29 pm
There’s has been a fire and a lot of your trailers have been damaged.
Please stop typing and come home right away.
Also, the hat should have a cartoon Chipper Jones flying on a winged horse and throwing a routine double-play ball into center field, and they should change their mascot to the Atlanta Herpes.
Aye, Israel
December 28th, 2012
3:31 pm
Obviously this is Obama’s fault. when is that election? He’s gonna lose!
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
3:31 pm
Bob White, you’re in trouble now! Good news though…..when I find you, you’ll have a new seashell necklace when I ram it up you a__. Back to filling out applications to school. Anyone have any Junior College recommendations?