‘Screaming indian’ logo returning to Braves gear
The screaming indian was part of the Braves logo when the franchise moved here from Milwaukee in 1966. (Uni Watch)
ESPN’s Uni Watch blog unveiled the upcoming baseball season’s new batting practice hats.
Among the most notable new designs is the Braves’ cap, which includes the screaming indian logo that has not been a part of the Braves’ uniform since 1989. The new cap features the yelling brave in red stitching on a blue rimmed hat.
In 2012, the Braves introduced an “alternate home” uniform that was similar to what the team wore when the franchise moved from Milwaukee to Atlanta in 1966. The cream-colored threads did not feature a tomahawk nor the screaming indian. The left sleeve of the new jersey has a crossed tomahawk instead of the screaming indian logo that appeared on the 1966 jerseys.
What do you think of the new Brave batting practice hat?
- I like it, may even buy it (73%, 3,318 Votes)
- Couldn't care less. Go (insert favorite team here)! (18%, 813 Votes)
- I'm offended (9%, 424 Votes)
Total Voters: 4,554
Loading ...The retro look is not popular among those who object to the use of Native American symbol or names in sports, including Uni Watch’s Paul Lukas who said of the new look:
Last year the Braves conspicuously avoided using their “screaming Indian” logo as a sleeve patch on their retro alternate jersey — a welcome move for those of us who oppose the appropriation of Native American imagery in sports. Unfortunately, it turns out that the logo hasn’t been permanently mothballed. Disappointing. Grade: F
What are your feelings? Will you be buying the new hat, or do you object?
(Please keep the conversation clean and cordial. Christmas may be over, but the big man is always watching.)
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351 comments Add your comment
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:14 pm
Tman
December 28th, 2012
1:07 pm
I wish people would get over the political correctness angle.
And it’s very easy to say that when you’re white and do not know what oppression and bigotry are.
TG
December 28th, 2012
2:14 pm
Looks like something a truck driver would wear.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:16 pm
Bravesfan
December 28th, 2012
1:34 pm
I think people today just look for things to complain about.. My great grandmother was full blooded Cherokee indian, and I do not find this offensive.
Ah, but you didn’t ask her how she felt–you just arrogantly claimed since a small fraction of your lineage isn’t white that you can. Go away.
steve
December 28th, 2012
2:18 pm
I do not see anything offensive it it at all. However, I personally do not care for it. Plus, why a special hat just for batting practice?
John Rocker
December 28th, 2012
2:20 pm
GT Mike – You’re spouting the kind of revisionist history that encourages racism. The first people fought and killed each other for centuries before the Euros arrived. Secondly, many of the first people were nomadic and even those that weren’t very rarely had any sense of owning land so how could it have been stolen from them? You people been getting rich with all those monopolistic casinos the government lets you have so quit crying.
Come to think of it the Injun on the logo should be cryin, that would more accurately depict the history of the Braves.
BOISESTATEBRONCO
December 28th, 2012
2:21 pm
I have been hoping for this for a while! I’d really like to see Noc-a-Homa make a full time return to Braves merchandising.
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
2:22 pm
I’m 100% native american. The hat should be used because all of the stereotypes are true. I hate to admit this, but my parents use to make me put deer skin over my back and hunt buffalo. If I had a successful kill with my bow and arrow, we would lose our minds and whoot and hollar in a circle with dancing. Then….we would return to the teepee and smoke peace pipe. Redman tobacco was all dad would allow us to chew. My sister makes beaded ornaments, if you can believe it. Shocker, huh.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:22 pm
Seriously loving the people still using the “I’m 1/16th Cherokee so I think I can talk with authority here.” Well, maybe you are, but that still means you are 15/16ths white.
LegionOfDome
December 28th, 2012
2:25 pm
“Amazing how pathetic this country has become. I remember the 50’s when it was mostly white and we had such few problems. Amazing how much has changed since we have become more “diverse.””
Alan, I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not. Let’s hope it is.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:25 pm
Bob
December 28th, 2012
2:11 pm
Of course, the reason I love the logo is because I’m white, hate everyone who isn’t white, and like to mock everyone else by putting images of their fierce warriors on my sports teams uniforms.
We seriously need to rethink the whole universal suffrage proposition. There needs to be some minimum level of rationality to be permitted engagement in the public sphere.
I agree completely because you’re much too stupid to qualify. Be thankful breathing is an involuntary reflex, otherwise you’d die.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:26 pm
Carz
December 28th, 2012
2:12 pm
It does not insult a race or a tribe. It honors Braves Warriors.
No, it demeans and trivializes them.
Neal Boortz
December 28th, 2012
2:30 pm
I miss the 1950s. Being white still meant something.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:33 pm
The same white people who demand that blacks and Indians “move on from the past” are more than happy to live in the past themselves and bring back many of the hackneyed, offensive reminders of the bad old days–like Chief Noc-A-Homa.
It’s simple white people: if you’re going to go back in time, so is everyone else.
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
2:37 pm
I’m a bird. I’m offended that the Falcons have decided to make fun of our species. I will crap on everyone’s car who does not agree with me.
We're all offended...change our logos and mascots now !!
December 28th, 2012
2:37 pm
Cornhuskers, Pirates, Mountaineers, Hilltoppers, Boilermakers, Hoosiers, Spartans, Trojans, Sun Devils, Blue Devils, Red Devils, Rebels, Fighting Irish, Lumberjacks, Black Knights, Tar Heels, Orangemen, Red Raiders, Buccaneers, Midshipmen, Cowboys, Friars, Vandals, Hoyas, Sooners – please stop making a mockery of us !! we can’t take it anymore !!
Call It Like It Is
December 28th, 2012
2:38 pm
I will be honest, white guy here, and no I don’t understand the issue. To me it seems that most teams wish to have a powerful mascot to represent themselves, I would be honor to have something represent my past. The only thing I could claim a little bit of would be the vikings. I don’t know are their white people mad about that name or the celtics? All I know growing up “and I’m showing my age” playing cowboys and Indians, I always wanted to be the Indian because I thought they were bad a**.
Let's Be Real
December 28th, 2012
2:39 pm
We’re all offended…change our logos and mascots now !!
December 28th, 2012
2:37 pm
Cornhuskers, Pirates, Mountaineers, Hilltoppers, Boilermakers, Hoosiers, Spartans, Trojans, Sun Devils, Blue Devils, Red Devils, Rebels, Fighting Irish, Lumberjacks, Black Knights, Tar Heels, Orangemen, Red Raiders, Buccaneers, Midshipmen, Cowboys, Friars, Vandals, Hoyas, Sooners – please stop making a mockery of us !! we can’t take it anymore !!
Most of those are not insensitive or demeaning. But don’t let me stand in the way of your white victim complex.
REAGAN2016
December 28th, 2012
2:40 pm
OBVIOUSLY ANYONE OFFENDED BY THISE IS STUPID N PROBABLY ON WEALTHFARE AND A GUN CONTROL ADVOCATE WHO JUST WANTS NO ONE TO HAVE ANY FUN GET A JOB YOU SISEY LIBERAL
jimmy...wa
December 28th, 2012
2:41 pm
Where…can…I…buy…one?
CC
December 28th, 2012
2:41 pm
May as well get everyone’s shorts in a knot, those who care so much about things like this — then, when they’re all so red-faced and distracted — whup up on ‘em.
Great strategy!
Go Braves!! Scalp ‘em!!!
Phil McCraken
December 28th, 2012
2:43 pm
@ Ugadawg30-
Buddy, you are a certified moron! I bet you have a lot of shirts w/ whales on them too don’t ya?
Ken Stallings
December 28th, 2012
2:43 pm
I think the Braves need to omit this logo. I can see where it would be offensive just as the Cleveland Indian’s Chief Wahoo is offensive. The thing about the Braves is that they used classic American Indian objects vice a person’s characture. That’s why they avoided much controversy. I mean it’s silly to oppose a tomahawk!
CC
December 28th, 2012
2:44 pm
And for another thing — this is no Screaming Indian — he’s a Happy Indian. I do believe he fits the Braves clubhouse quite nicely.
John H.
December 28th, 2012
2:46 pm
I don’t see the problem. I remember when the Braves used that mascot a lot. What’s wrong with bringing it back I thought the mascot was being jovial, not screaming.
Phil McCraken
December 28th, 2012
2:49 pm
Allow myself to introduce…………………myself.
Ed
December 28th, 2012
2:49 pm
I’m not offended, but then again I’m not a native American. I just don’t like the looks of it on a hat.
Maybe on the arm of the jersey. I think that the hat ought to have an A. No?
If they don’t get a leadoff hitter then I won’t care if they don’t wear anything!
blacks in the rear
December 28th, 2012
2:49 pm
70% of the people from Georgia are evangelicals right-wing racist bigots anyway so the caps fit right in.
jarvis
December 28th, 2012
2:51 pm
@rear, Don’t quote statistics without stating your source please.
jmac83
December 28th, 2012
2:53 pm
The Brave is intended to be screaming about Dan Uggla’s OBP. Or maybe about how his tribe was conquered by a society this PC.
ugadawg30
December 28th, 2012
2:53 pm
Phil McCraken …… i hope you perish
Whirled Peas
December 28th, 2012
2:57 pm
We want Jane Fonda to wear it.
Phil McCraken
December 28th, 2012
2:58 pm
@ Ugadawg -
We all see right thru you, some old redneck GA fan who wears Hushpuppies, hates non-whites, and eats Hawaiian shaved ice from Frostbite.
jarvis
December 28th, 2012
2:59 pm
@jmac, check that OBP. You’re complaining about the wrong statistic. He ranked 50th in the League. I think you meant Batting Average. He was #3 in all of MLB in Walks.
Ghost of Sinkwich
December 28th, 2012
2:59 pm
I am Irish get rid of the Little Irish Dude Notre Dame. Just kidding; what a bunch of political correct hogwash. I’ll be buying one of those hats.
I IZ REAL
December 28th, 2012
3:01 pm
“Let’s Be Real” is just bitter because after having 17 kids with 17 baby momma’s, he back home living with mommy in the basement. Wait, does government housing come with basements these days?
Anyway, please clean up the crack line off your keyboard and try to find a job. I suppose the “white man” is keeping you down? It’s definitely not the white man, but rather your people being lazy. The white man is actually working and providing for his family. True dat.
47% baby.
Holla. I be real.
Buckhead Benny
December 28th, 2012
3:01 pm
I am offended that people are offended at the old screaming Indian do my feelings count also? Come on, what a joke- If If were a fifth we would all be drunk- Last I checked ideas don’t go off of a popularity contest and if anything I think it keeps the “Indian” spirit alive and well rather than forgotten in some old history book.
People will bitch about anything if you give them a platform to do so.
Norman Cochran
December 28th, 2012
3:01 pm
Some people have just got to find something to B**** about. If it isn’t one thing it is another. Only thing racist now days is when someone makes it racist!
The Duke
December 28th, 2012
3:03 pm
What is controversial? Get over your easily offended self.
redwave73
December 28th, 2012
3:04 pm
I’m offended that folks at the AJC don’t know any better. It is a CAP and not a HAT!! Now, I feel better.
Jeremy
December 28th, 2012
3:07 pm
Paul Lucus is a conservitave right wing nut job who is offended by everything and everyone. If people don’t like it they have a right not to buy it.
Lobosolo
December 28th, 2012
3:09 pm
Funny to read all of you crackuhs talking about offending other people… your day is coming… sooner than you think… you rednecks will be the minority, and you will get your fair medicine… you’re a dying breed… get used to it…
I IZ REAL
December 28th, 2012
3:17 pm
Speaking of dying breed, how many black on black crimes were reported last night in Atlanta?
LOL.
Holla at cha boy son.
Dick Waters
December 28th, 2012
3:18 pm
Nothing quite like watching a bunch of southern sports fans discuss a controversial social issue. You really have to sift through all the barely-literate, threatening and just mean comments to find any thoughts of remote value.
It’s funny when someone tries to prove something isn’t bigoted or racist by name-calling and knocking entire social groups or cultures. Okay, maybe it’s not funny. Just say I’m prejudiced against folks who can’t have a decent conversation.
I personally like the hat. But I’m surprised they decided to use it (even if it’s just for batting practice) considering the organization has been trying to tone down on the NA stuff for years. I don’t want any negative attention to be brought to our organization so I feel it’d have been best to have just avoided this issue altogether. I’m seeing a lot of negativity on sports blogs surrounding the hat and Atlanta isn’t exactly the best city to be inviting unnecessary racial controversies.
Also, I don’t remember who said it but I read it earlier in the thread: There is a reason there are no Native American tribes near Turner Field (anymore). Read a book, jerk.
Bob White
December 28th, 2012
3:19 pm
I agree with the guy who said ugadawg30 is a moron. He keeps posting stupid crap that he obviously thinks is funny, but there is no way anyone with the emotional maturity would laugh. And he doesn’t know what a metrosexual looks like. seashell necklace? That ain’t metro buddy, and that ain’t no lady you just walked out of the bathroom with. That’s called full-blown AIDS.
I’m still laughing about the “t-shirts with whales on them” comment. I don’t know why; it’s really not that funny, but it was appropriate for ugadawg30, who probably lives in his parent’s basement and fills out applications for two-year colleges all day.
Edward
December 28th, 2012
3:20 pm
Lovely to see the majority here show their true low-class selves. No wonder peopleofwalmart is nearly all southerners. There’s your sign.
Motocross Survivor
December 28th, 2012
3:22 pm
“I think people today just look for things to complain about.. My great grandmother was full blooded Cherokee indian, and I do not find this offensive. ”
Yeah bubba, you and about six dozen other “part Indians” have piped in. Everybody is part Indian and everybody loves the racist N.A. stereotyping. You silly gits simply think the way you are told to think. That’s what TV is for.
“If people are going to complain about a logo on a cap, why don’t the bird lovers complain about the Cardinals and Orioles on those uniforms. ”
Because Cardinals and Orioles do not define human races. That inane comment makes about as much sense as the rest.
Amanda Bone
December 28th, 2012
3:24 pm
It just happened.
3:18PM: the one person with a brain in Atlanta posted a comment.
Dick Waters is right.
The sheriff is near.
I IZ REAL
December 28th, 2012
3:24 pm
There’s nothing offensive about the hat. IT’S A HAT.
Now if the hat said “native americans are fat and stupid”, then you might have a point.
Next, I wish the Braves would put a confederate flag on their jersey sleeves just to make the 47% mad.
Trailer Park Manager
December 28th, 2012
3:29 pm
There’s has been a fire and a lot of your trailers have been damaged.
Please stop typing and come home right away.
Also, the hat should have a cartoon Chipper Jones flying on a winged horse and throwing a routine double-play ball into center field, and they should change their mascot to the Atlanta Herpes.
Aye, Israel
December 28th, 2012
3:31 pm
Obviously this is Obama’s fault. when is that election? He’s gonna lose!