‘Screaming indian’ logo returning to Braves gear
The screaming indian was part of the Braves logo when the franchise moved here from Milwaukee in 1966. (Uni Watch)
ESPN’s Uni Watch blog unveiled the upcoming baseball season’s new batting practice hats.
Among the most notable new designs is the Braves’ cap, which includes the screaming indian logo that has not been a part of the Braves’ uniform since 1989. The new cap features the yelling brave in red stitching on a blue rimmed hat.
In 2012, the Braves introduced an “alternate home” uniform that was similar to what the team wore when the franchise moved from Milwaukee to Atlanta in 1966. The cream-colored threads did not feature a tomahawk nor the screaming indian. The left sleeve of the new jersey has a crossed tomahawk instead of the screaming indian logo that appeared on the 1966 jerseys.
What do you think of the new Brave batting practice hat?
- I like it, may even buy it (73%, 3,318 Votes)
- Couldn't care less. Go (insert favorite team here)! (18%, 813 Votes)
- I'm offended (9%, 424 Votes)
Total Voters: 4,554
Loading ...The retro look is not popular among those who object to the use of Native American symbol or names in sports, including Uni Watch’s Paul Lukas who said of the new look:
Last year the Braves conspicuously avoided using their “screaming Indian” logo as a sleeve patch on their retro alternate jersey — a welcome move for those of us who oppose the appropriation of Native American imagery in sports. Unfortunately, it turns out that the logo hasn’t been permanently mothballed. Disappointing. Grade: F
What are your feelings? Will you be buying the new hat, or do you object?
(Please keep the conversation clean and cordial. Christmas may be over, but the big man is always watching.)
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351 comments Add your comment
H
December 28th, 2012
10:18 am
Way to go Braves. Show a little backbone. The Screamin Indian should have been on last year’s retro uni. I have a news flash for all you fake protestors. The people who show up one series a year and remind us how bad we all were 100 years ago do not go to Braves games.
Barry Obama, community organizer
December 28th, 2012
10:18 am
I suspect the Braves’ organization. located in the “red state” of Georgia, and the majority of its redneck fan base are the kinds of folks still clinging to their guns and religion, and continue to fly the Confederate battle flag in the face of 25% of its citizens.
Hope and change will soon be coming to Georgia in the form of some pre-Bush era tax rates that will bring some fairness to the less fortunate in our society.
Chrono
December 28th, 2012
10:18 am
Why don’t we object to depictions of the Fighting Irish, Vikings, Cowboys, Moutaineers, etc? I guess they’re too white for you to care. I celebrate the Braves hertiage, and admire the native american spirit behind the team’s name/symbols. I will definitely buy a cap.
Joseph
December 28th, 2012
10:19 am
Sadly, how soon WE forget that it used to be the Sambo logo that sports teams depicted. The indian logo has been removed from the uniform since 1989 for a reason, it was deemed offensive.
“Compassion will cure more sins than condemnation.” Henry Ward Beecher (think about it.
Adam
December 28th, 2012
10:20 am
Why needlessly start a controversy? If you want to merchandise the logo, fine. But making it a part of the official team uniform makes a political statement. Whether you agree or disagree with the statement the organization is throwing the players into a political situation. They’re there to play ball not deal with racial politics. We may disagree with liberal political ultra sensitivity, but I don’t want Jason Heyward to have to answer questions about this crap all year long.
And frankly, I’m sick of dealing with racial politics in sports. Whether its offensive or not is not even an issue I want to deal with. Let’s just play ball and leave race issues out of it.
gresham brown
December 28th, 2012
10:21 am
Don’t bother me, I’m a native American, born right here in the good ole US of A!
TechRon
December 28th, 2012
10:21 am
And by the way, the selection of the term “Braves” is to honor the American Indian, not to make fun of them. You would not associate a name with your team that you would not personally want your own name connected with. Remember the FSU Seminole thing? The tribe came forward and told the do gooders to get lost. They are proud that a great school like FSU is using their name. It brings honor to both the school and the tribe. Get lost, do gooders. Get lost, media idiots who continually dredge up this nonsense.
jmac83
December 28th, 2012
10:24 am
If we can just eliminate symbols like this hat logo, it will immediately start America down the road of redressing all wrongs done to tribes by European immigrants and persuade native Americans forgive the Trail of Tears. Wasting energy fighting meaningless battles: A modern American tradition.
TechRon
December 28th, 2012
10:24 am
Or we could roll over and do what Stanford did. They were the “indians” but bowing to the PC police, they are now the Cardinal. Not the bird, the color. I think Syracuse did the same thing, going from “Orangemen” to “Orange”. Total idiocy. What should the Braves become, the Atlanta Blue? Atlanta Chartreuse?
Captain Midnight
December 28th, 2012
10:24 am
“Much like the rebel flag, we should consider relegating native american mascots to the past and let’s march on into the future and continue on with the Southern cultural genocide unapposed”.
Chant
December 28th, 2012
10:26 am
Ohhhh-ooooh-o-o-o,oh-o, uh-o-o-o!
bravo bravos
December 28th, 2012
10:27 am
I agree with Joseph’s comments and with Adam’s remark “Why needlessly start a controversy?” As for the hat, it is ugly. The recent uniforms look good including the ones for bp.
alphadog
December 28th, 2012
10:28 am
Why even go there? Where was the demand to see the old logo? Is the organization so desperate for publicity that they have to get in the news this way?
OTP
December 28th, 2012
10:29 am
It is a “Brave” on the cap. They are called the “Braves”. It should not be controversial.
bamaguy
December 28th, 2012
10:30 am
Adam is correct. It is unnecessary “clutter.” The only reason to bring it back is to make money from selling merchandise. And it has been my observation that the Braves organization is much more interested in profit than in winning the World Series. You see it in almost every decision they make.
dmr
December 28th, 2012
10:30 am
Why can we not use this as a means of “honoring” the heritage of the Indian tribes that used to occupy the land in the South. As the years go by and we become more of a techno society, the heritage and history of of civilazations and cultures from the past get lost.
JimBoBob
December 28th, 2012
10:30 am
It makes me want a Khans hotdog and a cold Falstaff.
wdb
December 28th, 2012
10:32 am
Seeing the “screaming indian” immediately makes me think of all the positive qualities of the American indian (wise, brave, etc). This is just how I “think”. I believe most people believe the same. The “screaming indian” also reminds me to respect native Americans for what they have been put through over the years by our gubment. What does it say about you if this logo offends you???
Woof
December 28th, 2012
10:32 am
How is this offensive? Isn’t having a team named after you a good thing?
USC TROJANS FAN
December 28th, 2012
10:33 am
as a dodgers fan i love it…it reminds me of when the braves sucked during the 1970’s and 80’s
johnB
December 28th, 2012
10:33 am
What exactly are we supposed to be nostalgic for?
The Braves did not do jack until the ’90’s.
rlm
December 28th, 2012
10:33 am
Sorry I think it is tacky looking plus it is evidently offensive to some but downright tacky is the real reason I do not like it. Those who picked it and like it are tasteless.
In a few more years we can get rid of people like Alan who only likes whites which would be okay with me. I am all white myself from the Mayflower but true Americans welcome everyone.
Bring back Chief Knocka Homa!!
December 28th, 2012
10:36 am
LOVE the hat and will buy one for sure!
Lew
December 28th, 2012
10:40 am
I have no problem with the logo, but the hat lacks something – maybe if they made the logo multi-colored. It’s very plain.
southern hope
December 28th, 2012
10:41 am
I’m usually sensitive to clod-head moves like this…but i have to say that it’s 100% great with me…in fact, I may buy this hat!
SBinF
December 28th, 2012
10:42 am
Which Indian nation is this guy supposed to depict?
If you can’t answer the question, that should tell you why it’s a poorly thought out logo.
Braves Fan
December 28th, 2012
10:42 am
I’ve always liked the Braves logos. The “screaming Indian” as it is called always looked like a happy, smiling Indian to me ever since I was a child. I miss Chief Noc-a-homa and thought it was a positive, creative use of the play on words and actually raised people’s awareness of indigenous people. It’s unfortunate that some people are offended by the symbolism, especially native Americans. I don’t believe that the symbols are negative nor does it portray Native Americans in a bad light. As long as the symbols, chants, phrases associated with sports is not derogatory then it only serves to heighten people’s awareness (existence) of the Native American culture.
what of it?
December 28th, 2012
10:43 am
I’m offended that people are offended by such a logo. I don’t think they should be allowed to express themselves for that reason.
While we’re at it, can we also get the tee-pee reinstated. It’d be great to put out there next to the giant drum where chief knock-a-homa would have easy access to it.
ATL Fan
December 28th, 2012
10:45 am
I’m offended that the Braves haven’t been to the real post season in years.
"Chef" Tim Dix
December 28th, 2012
10:45 am
We’ll just tell the offended it’s the Village People Indian. That’ll smooth things over.
jmac83
December 28th, 2012
10:46 am
If your argument is, if it offends even a few people, why promulgate the logo? then it’s just as valid to suggest: If you’re offended, consider well whether you’re being silly and hypersensitive and should just shut up.
Gene
December 28th, 2012
10:48 am
I am offended by Chipper Jones season-ending error
Vince Doodley
December 28th, 2012
10:48 am
Oh, Im gonna buy this MF’er just because its possibly politically incorrect. I dont think its offensive, but people who are offended by such things offend me. So I intend to piss them off.
urban redneck
December 28th, 2012
10:48 am
it’s all over the news, even national news…………apparently lots of people are offended. i am not one of them. even though i personally like it, i don’t think it is a great idea. too many people get their skippies in a wad these days. i don’t really understand why we are returning to a logo that we tried to get away from years before anyone had ever heard the phrase politically correct.
please don’t bust my balls or call me a flaming liberal; you couldn’t be further from the truth. i am just trying to show the other side of the coin. i also plan on buying one of these sweet hats. i offend folks all the time. go bravos.
Vince Doodley
December 28th, 2012
10:49 am
Oh, and I am offended that the braves have Ferdi Gonzalez as a manager.
Dave Perry
December 28th, 2012
10:53 am
I am a Native American I am NOT offended in the least. Get over it you bunch of whining mamma’s boys who take up any liberal freaking cause. Go get a l freaking life!
KJ
December 28th, 2012
10:55 am
Poor downtrodden Indians, I guess they’ll just have to drown their sorrows in their billions of dollars in tax-exempt casino proceeds.
edward g
December 28th, 2012
10:56 am
you guys who hating on those who complain about native american genocide are showing your total depravity. If there was a hell you would surely burn in it for you proud arrogant attitudes.
TrishaDishawareagle
December 28th, 2012
10:59 am
I actually wish we still had Sambo’s restaurants..good food fast service.
@Matt
I have been around the world, and for the most part, the only thing I cared for about foreign cultures was the food, and the Japanese art of ritual suicide, seppuku. I wish more americans would embrace seppuku instead of welfare.
Tom
December 28th, 2012
10:59 am
Native americans should be glad a symbol of their existence is used on a national stage. Otherwise their noble history will be lost to the majority of americans forever. The old western movies are becoming relics. History being taught in school is being “downsized”. Just ask any yung person questions about the American Revolution, Civil War or World War II for that matter. Forget World War I and the Korean War its like they never happened.If the native american keep fighting these symbols their historical footprint will likely disappear.
lol
December 28th, 2012
11:00 am
its so funny how the people complaining about this are not native americans, they are left types that think they know what is best for all of us, despite not being us. Classic Media. Hats are way cool. Going to order 50
Speed Racer
December 28th, 2012
11:02 am
Why the heck do they need a batting practice hat?
OneFreeMan
December 28th, 2012
11:04 am
Caring about offending others is the last thing many people will do. If it’s not offensive then why bother.
dumb in the south
December 28th, 2012
11:05 am
As you can see most on this poll don’t see any offense. With all that the human mind can accomplish the organization is not creative enough to have avoided this unnecessary offense. Way to show the limits of the imagination. Or maybe that’s the best they can do.
Ray
December 28th, 2012
11:09 am
When do they go on sale? Cant wait to pick one up. Takes me back.
td
December 28th, 2012
11:09 am
I always thought it was a laughing Indian. He seemed happy.
Josh
December 28th, 2012
11:10 am
… and the idiot who wrote the ESPN piece gave the Braves an “F” for their supposedly-offensive (to whom?) cap, and the Indians a “C” since it’s too plain/identity crisis.
What a moron.
Best Regular Season Team in Baseball
December 28th, 2012
11:11 am
Who cares…. Win a playoff game!
"Chef" Tim Dix
December 28th, 2012
11:11 am
imBoBob
December 28th, 2012
10:30 am
It makes me want a Khans hotdog and a cold Falstaff.
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While wearing my Coosa River Slacks. Count me in.
SBinF
December 28th, 2012
11:13 am
It’s rather telling when supposed members of an ethnic group come out of the woodwork on AJC blogs to explain why some move or action is ok, you know….because they’re from that ethnic group.
I never knew that such a large percentage of AJC readers were 1/4 Native American.