Coughlin blasts Tampa coach for ‘dirty play’

Giants coach Tom Coughlin (right) rips into Bucs' coach Greg Schiano after the game Sunday. (AP Photo)

Giants coach Tom Coughlin (right) rips into Bucs' coach Greg Schiano after the game Sunday. (AP Photo)

The victory formation is not generally a controversial play.

It turned out to be Sunday, however, when Tampa Bay coach Greg Schiano ordered his team to treat it like any other play and go after Giants quarterback Eli Manning, who was trying to take a knee and run out the clock in New York’s 41-34 victory.

Tampa brought pressure on the play, knocking Manning to the ground. Giants coach Tom Coughlin was outraged and let Schiano know about it at midfield after the game.

“I don’t think you do that at this level,” Coughlin told ESPN later. “You don’t do that in this league. You don’t jeopardize the offensive line, you (don’t) jeopardize the quarterback. Thank goodness we didn’t get anybody hurt, that I know of …”

The usually placid Manning wasn’t too happy about it either.

“That was a first,” he told ESPN. “Obviously I think it is a little bit of a cheap shot. Going down, we are taking a knee, in a friendly way. They are firing off, and it’s a way to get someone hurt.”

Schiano, in his first season in the NFL, was in no mood to apologize, saying he had used the same tactic at Rutgers.

“I don’t know if that’s not something that’s not done in the National Football League, but what I do with our football team is we fight until they tell us game over,” Schiano said. “There’s nothing dirty about it and there’s nothing illegal about it.

“We crowd the ball — it’s like a sneak defense and you try to knock it loose. Watch Rutgers, they would know if they watched us that’s what we did at the end of the game.”

“We’re not going to quit, that’s just the way I coach and teach our players,” Schiano said. “Some people were upset about it — that’s the way it goes. I don’t have any hesitation. That’s the way we play — clean, hard football until they tell us the game’s over.”

Giants offensive lineman Chris Snee said the play might be OK for college, but not the NFL.

“When I get a helmet off my knee at the end of the game I’m not going to be happy. It’s a shame that this is what we have to talk about, two teams who fought their tails off. It was a great game. Maybe that was acceptable in college, it’s not acceptable [in the NFL].”

With the NFL’s emphasis on player safety, should Schiano be called on the carpet for the play; or are Coughlin and the Giants making much ado about nothing?

99 comments Add your comment

mrlucky7

September 17th, 2012
7:11 am

In the rules the game isn’t over till the clock runs out…. having said that I think it was a cheap shot that could have gotten someone hurt.

Say whut

September 17th, 2012
7:15 am

I am a long-time Bucs fan. It was dirty football.

suggs

September 17th, 2012
7:22 am

What if Manning mishandles the snap and the defense didn’t fire off? No chance to recover that fumble. One possesion game. I say play to whistle blows. By the way, I ain’t no Buc fan.

Sargentg Carter

September 17th, 2012
7:22 am

For the rest of the season, every team should run the score up on Tampa Bay…

atlanta journal and constipation

September 17th, 2012
7:22 am

Eagle 1

September 17th, 2012
7:26 am

Some people have no morals and Tampa bay so pitiful in professional football for them to keep up with BIG boys they must be the nasty non sportsman and most of all, worst football team ! when you suxk eggs like Greg sometimes Hambone is better! Work it Greggie!

Mike

September 17th, 2012
7:33 am

The Bucs are now going to find out that lots of other “legal” but perhaps less than sportsmanlike tactics will be used agains them. Eagle 1, are you speaking English?

venture

September 17th, 2012
7:35 am

once from the bush league and classless NJ….always. He will gone in a year.

Dolfan jo

September 17th, 2012
7:41 am

Everybody knows cheaters win, if they do it right, they lost!! definitely not a fan of the bucs, for a long time now

Rod

September 17th, 2012
7:44 am

BULL!

Did you actually see the play? As Eli got the ball, he fell backward and landed on the ground – NEXT TO A BUCCANEER! If Eli had dropped the ball – after having been knocked on his butt – the Bucs would have picked it up and taken off and scored.

HELLO?!?! That was a VERY effective play! Good job Greg

Beau

September 17th, 2012
7:45 am

Ok….it’s like this…….In the NFL, the “victory formation” is what it is and has been for YEARS!! The Bucs knew that the Giants weren’t expecting them to rush the QB. So yes,it is a VERY CHEAP SHOT!!

2ruff4u

September 17th, 2012
7:45 am

play til the end of the game yes, but helmets to the knee, or running over players? shame, shame!
Hope the Bucs find “their place” and I hope its not a “happy” place.
Not a Bucs fan nor a Rutgers fan. and now never will be.
Hope Rutgers is proud of their old coach who moved on for more money.. That’s right it’s all about the MONEY.
The sport of football is gone and it’s now Big Business.
Players and fans don’t matter, only the MONEY. MONEY. MONEY!

Seriously?

September 17th, 2012
7:48 am

1) The Giants O-Line saw the Bucs crowding the line – but didn’t block, they just stood there.

2) Eli took the snap and DID NOT take the customary 3 step drop before going down – the QB ALWAYS takes 3 snaps to protect themself in case of a rush.

3) The Bucs NEVER touched Eli – nor did they try to.

They tried to jump the line when the ball was snapped so it’d get fumbled. As Rod said (above), a Buc player got into the backfield and was ready if Eli did fumble.

If you don’t support playing the entire game, you’re not a real fan. In basketball, if your team is down by 2 with 1 second left and the other team has the ball – do you walk off the court and quit? In baseball if you’re down by a run in the 9th and hit a groundball – do you head to the dugout and not run it out and quit?

Either play or get off the field.

15percenter

September 17th, 2012
7:49 am

In the ultra competitive NFL, where “never say die” is the mantra, I can’t believe people are whining because one team kept playing hard till the clock read zero, especially when one score would have sent the game into overtime.

Rod

September 17th, 2012
7:49 am

2ruff4u – WHAT? There were NO helmets to the knee. Running over players? EVERY PLAY IN THE NFL HAS PLAYERS TRYING TO RUN OVER OTHER PLAYERS.

You obviously no nothing about football, so go back to knitting your sweaters.

Alex

September 17th, 2012
7:49 am

Is there anything in the rulebook? A fair catch signal is a rule. is there a “we win the game last play” rule? I am a NY Giants fan all the way, but if you get a chance to knock the football loose and pick it up and win the game then that is how the game is played. It is not dirty football it is the rules. You play until the game is over. Kudos to Tampa for not quitting. Maybe next time the offensive line gets ready on that last play because the defense has a job to do and that is “bring it” every play of the game. If they don’t like that then change the rules much like the fair catch and provide a signal that the offense is going to take a knee.

Karil

September 17th, 2012
7:49 am

So if the giants fumble and the Bucs grab it run it back and win?

there is no rule against what TB did. and Coughlin knows it. if you dont want your precious QB hurt send in a scrub to run that play. and the old ITS not done that way here adage is a cheap fall back used to often. go watch some film of how football used to be and how candyland it is now. they would have still been looking for Mannings head if Dick Butkus was on the other side of that line on sunday.

Just saying if you want to take a play off and no one hit you maybe you should ask the other team if they mind first..

they may not be in the mood

Justin

September 17th, 2012
7:53 am

There’s no crying in football. Suck it up. The clock didnt say 0 and anything is possible. They were clean, legal hits. Grow a pair. – Giants Fan

Chris

September 17th, 2012
7:58 am

You have to play that way. A different situation but similar “etiquette” was when Miami rushed to the ball in a “hurry up offense” about 10 years ago. The Jets expected a spike and the Dolphins threw a quick TD. Jets went on to lose………..
These are multi millionaires playing a game, they need to play EVERY snap. End of subject.

Punks

September 17th, 2012
7:58 am

I’ve got $100 saying the five posters above this would NEVER argue with Tom Coughlin to his face because they’re the scared little boys.

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techhorn

September 17th, 2012
8:03 am

Anyone who has ever steps onto a football field is told not to stop playing until the whistle blows. . I dont see the point of the way the Bucs played it out but shame on the world champs for not being prepared for any and all situations on the football field, especially the most basic one..

nathan

September 17th, 2012
8:04 am

if it is a 2 score game it is dirty play but when a 1 posession game in NY territory if he fumbles and they are standing there then everyone is saying what lazy idiots

Darr247

September 17th, 2012
8:08 am

They should just play every game “sudden death” – as soon as one team scores, the game is over… then they wouldn’t have to worry about a starting QB getting hurt when the backup should have been in there anyway.

big pops

September 17th, 2012
8:10 am

What big babies! And where do the Giants get off calling anybody dirty, after they’ve issued some of the worst cheap shots ever!

Hangtime

September 17th, 2012
8:11 am

No sympathy. This is pro football. You get payed to play, so you should expect to play four full quarters. I hate this notion that a team should be simply allowed to just win. I also don’t like the notion of “professional courtesy” in not running up the score. You don’t want a team to score? Do your job and keep them out of the endzone. Play the game, four full quarters and quit b****in’.

All I remember is that victory formation

September 17th, 2012
8:19 am

Glad Tampa Bay lost,

Go Falcons …. Rise Up !

GT

September 17th, 2012
8:22 am

I thought they played dirty last year. Especially that game down in Tampa. Lots of smirks on the sideline after cheap shots and that big quarterback has a mouth on him.

sports fan

September 17th, 2012
8:24 am

Not dirty at all this is why football is changing real men don’t play the game anymore only pre Madonna’s .

BigGTMike

September 17th, 2012
8:26 am

What goes around comes around in this league. They’ll get theirs. 7 on the dirty scale.

John

September 17th, 2012
8:28 am

Lining up in the victory formation is like sticking your hand out and saying, “Nice game.” Blasting through the line is like saying, “F@$& YOU!” In the NFL, if you intentionally give yourself up while in possession of the ball, you are down, you don’t need to be touched down at all. Schiano should coach his team to not give up 600 yards in a game or 25 points in a quarter.

Topp Dogg

September 17th, 2012
8:29 am

Wait a minute Tom lets ask Jack Lambert what he thinks about taking a play off or knocking a quarterback down to his clean little knees.

babys daddy

September 17th, 2012
8:31 am

Game be over when dey take a knee–that’s the way it is and that’s the way it always been. Any body with any sense know that. Bucs will get their payback.

ukjaybrat

September 17th, 2012
8:34 am

not a fan of either team. didn’t care who won outside the fact i put 12 points on NYG in my pool. Also, i didn’t watch the game. THAT being said, the headlines this morning would have been a lot different had this play resulted in a fumble return for a touch down… “Giants Lazy Victory Formation Leads to Bucs Amazing come from Behind Win”

If the clock doesn’t read 0:00 you cant blame a team for playing hard. if the Giants Linemen didnt want to get hurt, they should have been ready to play football, would have been their own fault if they got hurt. Complaining about it just makes you a whiner. Had the Bucs caused a fumble there and scored a td, would coughlin or the linemen complain that they weren’t ready? that it wasn’t fair that the bucs played such good defense? HECK NO! giants should have been ready, they werent. their own fault.

yep

September 17th, 2012
8:37 am

It was pretty cheap but I fi they’d caused a fumble and then recovered and ran for a touchdown to tie the game everyone would call it brilliant.

Mr Anonymous

September 17th, 2012
8:38 am

The game is not over until it is over. Why shouldn’t the defense try to make something happen on EVERY play ? It’s boring how much the players are protected. It’s also boring how teams are able to kneel down or throw the ball away instead of actually PLAYING.

markie mark

September 17th, 2012
8:45 am

hey sports fan…..I assume you mean prima donna?….next time, before you post, take an English class….or simply google so you seem to be educated…..

The Ghost of Norm Van Brocklin

September 17th, 2012
8:51 am

Looks like Coach Schiano is about to meet an old friend named K-A-R-M-A.

You asked for it, Mr. Rutgers Man, you’ll get it.

Gary

September 17th, 2012
8:53 am

Maybe someone should be coaching at Rutgers again if he was so pround of his performance there.

All I remember is that victory formation

September 17th, 2012
8:53 am

Brings back memories of Giants QB Joe Pisarcik’s fumble
and the 1978 “Miracle at the Meadowlands” with Eagles Cornerback Herm Edwards
scoring the winning TD in the final seconds.

richie

September 17th, 2012
8:59 am

Its football not sissyball lets chick it up its new york

Smoker06

September 17th, 2012
9:07 am

It’s like one of those unwritten rules….

Now that the rest of the NFL knows what the Bucs do, it won’t happen again.

1234

September 17th, 2012
9:10 am

It’s not dirty if the game is still in reach. A touchdown and 2-point conversion would have tied.

na

September 17th, 2012
9:16 am

not a bucs fan or a fan of Schiano, however it was their only chance to get the ball back and the point is to win the game.
Coughlin was out of line— put in a back up quarter back, throw a pass and go for more points if the other team is still playing because there is time on the clock

GFY

September 17th, 2012
9:17 am

Agreed game is not over and it is legal play…..that being said if NY has the ball in Sucaneers territory and they are up by 50 I say score again. As Schitano says, play to the end of the game. BTW….who the freak cares about how the state university of the armpit (NJ) plays. What did they ever accomplish other than being the doormat of the Big Least. The Big Least was/is a joke of a conference anyway.

Roach

September 17th, 2012
9:20 am

Exactly when is a team supposed to quit trying to win? (Ask Arkansas, maybe?)

oreally

September 17th, 2012
9:30 am

this is how players get hurt. olinemen are defenseless in situations where they can’t move(by rule) and defenders can, without fear of being beaten deep, get moving starts to attack the offense. these men make their livings playing this game and a helmet to the knee can end a career. unfortunately for him, Coach S may have just gotten his qb killed.

JT

September 17th, 2012
9:34 am

‘Seriously’- are you SERIOUS, Eli fell without being touched? What game were YOU watching? Eli was ejected almost 4 or 5 yards behine the line of scrimmage, like he was shot out of a cannon…he fell and skidded THAT far without provacation? C’mon man(or woman), that was BS!! And the O line didn’t because the game was over…the Rutgers guy needs to learn the etiquette of the league, or he won’t be here long..

jose

September 17th, 2012
9:41 am

This move typifies a coach in way over his head. History proves that great NFL coaches don’t pull these stunts.

Peadawg

September 17th, 2012
9:57 am

The games wasn’t over. Tampa would have has a couple of seconds to get one more shot at a touchdown.

I’m surprised this isn’t tried more often.