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Taylor Wooten

July 23rd, 2012
8:09 am

If they dont get the death penalty for this….then the NCAA is hypocrisy personified.

CrαZy

July 23rd, 2012
8:36 am

If they dont get the death penalty for this….then the NCAA is hypocrisy personified.

When this first happened I was someone that thought the Death Penalty should happen… But by giving them the DP they wouldn’t be punishing the men that caused and created the problem you’d be punishing the men trying to repair the problem along with all the businesses that depend on the football team to draw in people to the area!!

C. Moakler

July 23rd, 2012
8:37 am

Big chance for the NCAA to cash in big. This is all on the backs of the victims. These criminal acts by Penn State need to be taken care of criminally and civilly, not administratively by the NCAA. The NCAA needs to tighten up its own house and stick to what it knows. Finally the authorities are on this and the focus needs to stay with the criminal courts.

JeromeMJ

July 23rd, 2012
8:45 am

The reason a death penalty is given is that the businesses, students, and college personnel were all complicit in turning their heads to this horrendous crime. Whenever something like this comes to light it must be recognized that this is just the tip of the iceberg. The coverup would never have happened if many other smaller things had also been covered for. Penn state and other Ivy League universities have an attitude that promotes the ’special’ nature of their society and the ’special’ rules that apply.

We see this carried over into the graduates who feel entitled to ’special’ compensation because they are ‘better’ than others. The only issue is that the NCAA commitee is mad up of the same ilk as the Penn staters who looked the other way for the good of the university.

A. Swanson

July 23rd, 2012
8:58 am

Penn St. is a big ten school not an ivy league school so how do they think they are better than everyone? I agree the penalties need to be harsh but at least make sense when you post something

Blue

July 23rd, 2012
9:22 am

Taylor; Several years ago, I heard the head guy from the NCAA say that they were NEVER going to use the ‘death penalty’ again.

anabb

July 23rd, 2012
9:23 am

Guess big sports rules again–they should have had the door closed on the Football program–
the investigation showed all in the chain covered the acts up for the sake of football.
help the palyers find another school. Tear down those buildings where these acts were committed.

dagadawgs

July 23rd, 2012
9:24 am

vacating of all victories from 1998 to 2011.

Guess Bobby Bowden is #1 in wins now

carrie b

July 23rd, 2012
9:25 am

now we know that money cannot buy you everything maybe for a while but you will pay for it in the end

NCAA money grab

July 23rd, 2012
9:25 am

60M is nothing to this program. The only winner in this is Bobby Bowden. The NCAA sacrificed the victims who came forward and probably scores who didn’t. The NCAA is about the money and this proves it. They deserve no respect and should run for Congress. Shame on all of them. The death penalty would be too light.

We are Penn State….riiiiight.

steverino

July 23rd, 2012
9:26 am

I’ve got most of those games on VHS or DVD. Does this mean I have to erase or burn them? I ‘guess I’d better find out. Don’t wanna run afoul of the NCAA.

gabby

July 23rd, 2012
9:27 am

Gee.. I wonder who gets the 60 Million??

Nativebird

July 23rd, 2012
9:27 am

1 years pay and 4years of no bowl and 10 less scholarships? Are you friggin kidding me? A outrage!!!! Intitutionalized child rape…and the punishment is no bowls? THIS is what’s wrong with our society. This (lack of proportional) punishment abjectly shows that the NCAA itself is an enabler of putting sports ahead of raping children!
An abject outrage…..they all should be ashamed of themselves.

steverino

July 23rd, 2012
9:27 am

Bowden is #1 in wins about the same way that Barry Bonds is #1 in HR’s.

PMC

July 23rd, 2012
9:30 am

This penalty is the death penalty. They lost a season of revenue, 4 years of post season play and the ability to field a competitive team

Penn State Football is dead. The town of state college is dead.

and for the most part, anything that was great about college football in general in the NCAA is dead at this point.

Strike up the band and play taps. “Amateurism” is already dead.

Baltisraul

July 23rd, 2012
9:31 am

PSU football is now reduced to a nothing program for the next decade. This is very severe punishment, indeed. It will be interesting to see how many current players, incoming freshmen and 2013 commits decided to go elsewhere. Joe Pa is no longer the winningest football coach, Bobby is now the new king. All of this is very disgusting and PSU deserved every punishment it received. The trama for the victims will last longer than a decade.

Cutty

July 23rd, 2012
9:31 am

Try Eddie Robinson as the G.O.A.T.!

Mayo

July 23rd, 2012
9:32 am

A. Swanson is right: Penn State (as in, “state”) is not an Ivy League school: they just act like it. On second thought, they don’t even act like it. Doubtful this monstrosity would ever occur at Harvard, Yale, Brown, etc.
Surely from the perspective of the victims, this is a small price to pay for lives forever scared by the monster who operated under the guise of the vapid “honor” that was preached for so long from Happy Valley. What a load of horse-chips.

beachdog

July 23rd, 2012
9:32 am

Eddie Robinson would be #1 in wins…he played tougher teams than Bowden did in the ACC.

mike

July 23rd, 2012
9:32 am

“But by giving them the DP they wouldn’t be punishing the men that caused and created the problem you’d be punishing the men trying to repair the problem”

Of course you make this statement about any NCAA school that had been sanctioned for illegal recruiting – including SMU. The new guys are the ones who have the burden of the sanctions.

There was complete lack of institutional control when it came to the child rapes. The highest echelons of Penn State were aware of the rapes. The President to Paterno gave Sandusky the currency for the child rapes. It gave Penn State a huge recruiting advantage to not disclose that a monster continued to have open access to all of the facilities and coaches.

I don’t see how the NCAA ever hands out a death penalty again – after the worst scandal in all of the history of sports. I mean seriously, are they really going to give out a worse penalty because a recruit was paid a $1,000?

Baltisraul

July 23rd, 2012
9:32 am

gabby….the 60 mil goes into an endowment to help abused children.

Slimmer Shady

July 23rd, 2012
9:32 am

NCAA just wants the 60 million. They should have took away football period and make every employee at Penn State take child abuse courses for a year.

Aquagirl

July 23rd, 2012
9:33 am

If kids are getting money your program gets the death penalty. If kids are getting raped your program gets a lesser punishment.

Thanks for clearing that up, NCAA.

whatsteve?

July 23rd, 2012
9:33 am

No! You’re wrong on that one.

Herb Ratliff

July 23rd, 2012
9:34 am

College athletics have long since lost their value in rounding out the wholeness of a physically, mentally and spiritually nurtured student. It has become a distended tumor on the face of a once beautiful idea. It is disheartening and detrimental to students, university and the public at large to continue on this downward spiral driven by money and ego. If this is a place of learning why is it so difficult to apply what we have learned? It is time make athletics a part of an education again not the demise of it.

NRC012

July 23rd, 2012
9:34 am

First, Bobby Bowden is now #1 in DI wins, but Eddie Robinson is #1 all time. That’s who Paterno had passed in 2011.

And second, if you paid attention to the news conference, you’d see that the NCAA is not taking the $60 million itself. The money is being used to set up a fund to support programs that advocate for victims in situations like those at Penn State. I’m not sure how people can criticize something like that to support the victims’ rights and call for the death penalty instead.

Paddy

July 23rd, 2012
9:35 am

Let us never forget the abused, ever.

sdbdsfbdb@sfgsadgsad.com

July 23rd, 2012
9:35 am

hahaha, the guys who come up with this penalty stuff in the NCAA are so stupid. They act like Democrats.

Al Bundy

July 23rd, 2012
9:35 am

This has the effect of a 20-year penalty. 13 years of wins vacated. 5 yrs probation. It will take Penn St at least 8 years to get over this.

Old Dawg

July 23rd, 2012
9:36 am

This is a very severe penalty and it will make PSU struggle for many years to come.

I still think the death penalty was the right decision. Can’t wait to hear how opponent fans treat PSU when it takes the field!

Slimmer Shady

July 23rd, 2012
9:36 am

So SMU did worse with paying players than Penn State did with ignoring child abuse by a coach? NCAA is weak.

Al Bundy

July 23rd, 2012
9:38 am

And let the player poaching begin…

@anabb

July 23rd, 2012
9:38 am

What they did was punish the school without having too much collateral damage to those who are innocent.

We’re two weeks away from most schools summer preseason camps. Where exactly would you suggest these kids go? What about the Jr’s and Sr’s? Most schools won’t grant you a degree unless you attend their institution for at least two years. Not to mention they’d have to find a school that has their major AND would give them an opportunity to play.

I actually think for once the NCAA got it right. They punished the school and hit them where it hurts – the wallet, they’ve made it difficult for them to compete, and with the bowl ban reduced their ability to generate revenue, and at the same time they protected the interest of the current players who signed their letter of intents in good faith.
I know a lot of people will say they should have faced stiffer penalties, but in handing out punishment, you have to be fair to those who are innocent. Handing out the death penalty a month before the season starts would have only punished the players who btw were in grade school when most of this crap with Sandusky took place.

I’m glad for once the NCAA took the players into consideration in making their decision.

Steve

July 23rd, 2012
9:39 am

Good luck collecting the money, NCAA. You are not a government entity; Penn State will probably just say F.U. and go without a football program for an indefinite period. Who would want to play for them now anyway?

clyde

July 23rd, 2012
9:39 am

The program was horrendously awry and so is this verdict by the NCAA. A minimum of 5 years with no football program at all.Who cares if the victories are vacated.Big deal.The mindset of the people in the footballprogram needs to be destroyed.

Hawk

July 23rd, 2012
9:40 am

What a Joke.

cantondawg

July 23rd, 2012
9:40 am

Taylor,

The reason that Penn State did not get the death penalty is because it is reserved for repeat offenders. This is the first time Penn State has been in trouble.

Slimmer Shady

July 23rd, 2012
9:41 am

Vacated wins are irrelevant unless you won a National Title which Penn State never even came close over the last 20 years. You could take away every win from every team in the NCAA and it really wouldnt matter. The past is gone.

Join Reality

July 23rd, 2012
9:41 am

I want to know what NCAA rule was broken that led to the heavy sanctions? Surely there is a bylaw or add-on or endorsement in the NCAA rules and regulations. I’m sure glad they made the school vacate all those wins ’cause it’ll help me forget that this ever happened. Like taking a big, fat eraser to the whole shibang!
Now we can finally move past the “Penn State Sex Scandal” and move on to some real child killers – like how auto accidents/text messaging kills more kids under the age of 19 then any other device (guns, suicide, other people, etc.). You sit in judgment of Penn State for failing to protect your kids but at the time through a simple signature you allow your children to endanger their lives every single day – mostly because you’re sick of taking them places.

@ Slimmer Shady

July 23rd, 2012
9:41 am

The difference in the SMU case and the Penn St case is the players were involved and had their hand out. They had a part in the corruption by taking money.

In the PennSt. case, the current players are TOTALLY innocent of any wrong doing. You can’t punish the innocent.

Paddy

July 23rd, 2012
9:42 am

Ted Roof just can’t catch a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paddy

July 23rd, 2012
9:44 am

Join Reality…….the first paragraph of the NCAA constitution gives them the right to do what they did to PSU.

Slimmer Shady

July 23rd, 2012
9:44 am

The assistant coach that witnessed Sandusky raping a boy is most at fault. He should have called police immediately.

Slimmer Shady

July 23rd, 2012
9:46 am

The coaching staff is as much a part of the team as the players are. Makes no difference if its a player or a coach either are representing the university.

football4life

July 23rd, 2012
9:46 am

MR. Eddie Robinson should be No. 1 with Victories! He did more with LESS! Also he was a TRUE coach he help BUILD young boys into MEN!!!!!

Morris Wilburn

July 23rd, 2012
9:47 am

These NCAA sanctions will not impact the individuals who did wrong.

NCAAhasNoBalls

July 23rd, 2012
9:47 am

Total BS. The football program is a victim! NCAA has thrown them under the bus to protect itself. The program was the venue in which the crime occurred, if ‘cover up’ happened – where are the criminal charges for JoePa or administrators. Football had as much to do w/ assaults as AMC theatres had to do with the Colorado shootings! Man, I’m pissed off.

Slimmer Shady

July 23rd, 2012
9:48 am

Also the players can go to any team freely so they arent losing chance to play football at all.

BigTimeTECHFan

July 23rd, 2012
9:48 am

On a side note: UGA is one of the few schools that has room to take on about 5 players this year. Maybe they will get a group of player from Penn St

Dan

July 23rd, 2012
9:48 am

What a joke. The NCAA has just shown that they are nothing more than a business and that they don’t want to hurt one of their moneymakers. If they actually stood for the athletes, they would have imposed the ‘death penalty’.

If there ever was a situation that warranted it, it was this.

Epic fail, NCAA

DawginLex

July 23rd, 2012
9:50 am

The penalty is a hammer job. The NCAA is crippling this program into making it pursue integrity while not worrying about whether or not they will go to a bowl since they can’t go anyway.

The players can leave(and they will) and the university will be left to field a team of walkons and scrubs.

They can learn from it and build it back up but it will take time.

me

July 23rd, 2012
9:50 am

Join Reality
July 23rd, 2012
9:41 am

I want to know what NCAA rule was broken that led to the heavy sanctions?

A question from a dunce who doesn’t know the difference between NCAA rules and criminal behavior.

MR164

July 23rd, 2012
9:50 am

Bobby Bowden = All-time winningest major college coach.
Eddie Robinson = all-time wins leader.

Gary

July 23rd, 2012
9:51 am

In my opinion, this penalty is even more severe than the death penalty handed down to SMU. Vacating all those wins is a huge slap in the face to the Penn State program as well as the bowl ban and scholarship limitations. No quality athlete is going to want to come to Penn State and play football. I just feel bad for the young men there now who through no fault of their own will have to start over in another program. What a mess.

@ Aquagirl

July 23rd, 2012
9:51 am

Seriously?! Again I’ll repeat it, you can’t compare SMU and Penn St.

Apples and oranges.

SMU had the PLAYERS involved in the corruption. Everyone was wrong from the boosters who paid, the coaches who turned a blind eye, and the PLAYERS who had their hands out. THAT’S why they got the death penalty.

You people who think Penn St should have got the death penalty because of the actions of few have absolutely no compassion for the players who went there in good faith. The death penalty would hurt those players WAY more than it would the school, If you can’t see that then I can’t help you. If you think that would be the right thing to do then you’re probably the type who has tunnel vision. You have to look at all angles.

The punishment they handed out punishes the school but doesnt punish the players who shouldn’t be anyway.

sparky

July 23rd, 2012
9:52 am

C. Moakler: Did you read the article? The money is not going to NCAA. It reads,“These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university,” the NCAA said in statement. So explain how NCAA is cashing in. That is how untruths are started.

Roll Turd

July 23rd, 2012
9:52 am

Sickening, Disgusting, Appalling, inexcusable, indefensible…..the NCAA has now lost ALL credibility it had as a governing body. They have rendered themselves completely inadequate and irrelevant by this.

It is truly a sad day for everyone who loves sports and athletics.

Old Guy

July 23rd, 2012
9:53 am

@CrαZy: How would you not be punishing a culture of thinking that was in fact mafioso in it’s actions? No, you are wrong completely. It would be a message to every program to be on top of their ethics and that athletics does not in fact control the Universities.

RTO

July 23rd, 2012
9:53 am

The wins are the least of this matter. Even so, Robinson did win the most games but not in Division I. Secondly, Bobby won his with class. Lastly, FSU played and beat a lot of teams before and during the ACC. All the Bowl wins and National Titles were not against the ACC. In fact, BB made a name for himself and FSU by going on the road and beating really good teams. Look it up.

colin

July 23rd, 2012
9:53 am

This should have a similar effect as the death penalty. Current players (all innocent in this ordeal) can transfer and play immediately. The four year postseason ban and losing 10 scholarships a year for 4 years should guarantee that this program is irrelevant for a long time to come. The $60 million fine will also keep them from upgrading their facilities for quite some time. Finally, I believe the best thing is that the key figure in this loses 14 years worth of victories. Burn Joe Pa!!!

Keep in mind that personal lawsuits will continue to weigh upon the university for years. What a mess. Anyone associated with that university who still supports Paterno’s legacy and his family has a total lack of moral fiber.

JP

July 23rd, 2012
9:55 am

Pure PR move for the NCAA which has long been a weak, ineffective joke.

I finally connected the dots last night

July 23rd, 2012
9:55 am

Penn State had to agree to the NCAA’s decision, or there would not have been a press conference but rather a long battle between PS and the NCAA.

That being said, the statue was erected when Paterno set the record at 324. Well, since the NCAA was vacating 111 victories, the statue made no sense any more and one reason it was removed yesterday.

pbt

July 23rd, 2012
9:56 am

So, if the NCAA ever found out the Jerry Sandusky was diong this in the 70s does Penn State have to vacate those wins to. Its Funny that All the wins that Penn State have to vacate was when Jerry Sandusky was not coaching the team. Who really getting the most punshiment Sandusky are Joe Pa. Why in this society do we all punish the innocent (students,and Fans) for other people mistake. These sanctions will not allow the Penn State community to heal from these tragic events.

PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
9:56 am

This is a travesty. Sanduskey was NOT a coach. He was retired. Suppose the Falcons should be punished because Jamal Anderson got a DUI?

Tommy

July 23rd, 2012
9:57 am

If the powers to be at Penn State were smart, they would impose their own death penalty to their sports programs. Save the money that will be lost over the next 5-7 years and start anew in when it is all over.

Lady

July 23rd, 2012
9:57 am

You are blaming Penn State. Yes they are too blame too. But don’t tell me that the one who saw the supposed sexual molestation in the shower and didn’t do anything except report, isn’t to blame too. Why didn’t he stop in and then call the police? This was no young boy who saw the abuse. What’s your excuse for him. It seems like he is only getting a slap on the back for reporting it. Well he is to blame for the abuse of the young kid because he didn’t nothing to stop it. $60M what a laugh. Who exactly does the NCAA think they are. This country has gone to h*ll in a hand basket and it is only getting worse. It seems like no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions. Easier to blame the next person. Now that Paterno isn’t alive to defend himself, it is easier for everyone to blame him. People need to take responsibility for their actions and that includes the young boys who allowed the abuse to go on and on. Some yes they were too young to understand but others no they could have and should have gone to someone in authority and reported it. Now they want money. This seems to be something — don’t report and then let’s sue. This country has turned into a nation of let’s sue and get money. That’s the American way and juries are too dumb that they don’t get it. Award large sums of money and then blame the insurance companies for the high cost of insurance. Wake up America before it is too late.

sorrynot

July 23rd, 2012
9:59 am

Only homophobes would make the connection between homosexuality and the ruin it causes to lives and institutions.

But the homosexuals know it, and that’s why they are fighting to hard to outlaw your noticing the damage as real damage.

The push to allow gay marriage is partly a plan to push a changed definition of sex.

When the perverts get what they want, Sanduskys of the future will be given medals for helping young boys discover the joys of gay sex.

Pedophilia is theit next Rights frontier.

Look at our Army- now soldiers must give standing ovations to gays or fear retribution of being demoted or kicked out on dishonorable discharge.

It’s so bad now and getting worse, there is no recovery.

USC TROJANS FAN

July 23rd, 2012
9:59 am

i am simply amazed that the sec finds a way not to be investigated…and that some folks still think what happened at usc was worse. anyway, good for psu to be banned from bowl games for 4 years…and losing all those scholarships….oh sec fan..stay tuned because your day is coming and it will be soon. FIGHT ON!

BS=Ohio

July 23rd, 2012
10:00 am

Enter your comments here
Ok take away the scholarships for 4 years — duh – there isn’t much of a program for 4 years now anyway. Take them away when they are allowed to start competing in bowl games, etc.

Roll Turd Roll

July 23rd, 2012
10:00 am

Wake up and smell what you are trying to “sell”…!!!

A criminal does not suffer the pain and anguish as much has the wife/husband, children, mother, father, etc.

Yes, the students, athletes and other innocents will be made to suffer which is yet another reason to loathe and despise Paterno and his minions that were all conspirators in this heinous crime.

The death penalty on the football program would have been the ONLY appropriate punishment.

SportsFan

July 23rd, 2012
10:01 am

This has gone entirely too far in regards to he NCAA levying sanctions against the School. The NCAA should not even be involved in this. They have ovr stepped their bounds. I clearly understand the criminal acts involving the Retired Coach (Jerry Sandusky) and his conviction regarding his sex act against children, and I am not trying diminsh what he has done. But thet is why they have a Judicial system. They Judicial proess have taken it’s steps and the proceess worked.

Too many hands are in this matter, and too many people are passing judgements on the Schools Football program. This is going to make a devasting effect on this school. The people that are in this, should not even be in this matter.

The NCAA should not be involved because there were no NCAA Violations committed. For the NCAA to get involved is totally wrong. This will set their program back for many years to come. To wipe out 13 years of record history is wrong. The NCAA has over stepped their bounds. With the help of people who are grandstanding for their own personal gain and notoriety are now taking this School and program in a downward spiral.

Lets see what happens when your enrollment drops significantly, and revenuse is loss? Lets see what all of these inquisitive people do then.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
10:02 am

Y’ALL IS…

PENN STATE!

Thank Goodness I’m not part of that mess!

steverino

July 23rd, 2012
10:03 am

@SlimmerShady…never came close to a NC in the last 20 yrs? Really? 1994 ring a bell? Undefeated and arguably should have won then

The Truth

July 23rd, 2012
10:03 am

God Bless America!

It’s easier to buy assault rifles & 6,000 rounds of ammunition than it is to buy allergy medicine.

That’s why I love America!

Blue

July 23rd, 2012
10:04 am

Nativebird; you need to learn a little something. The penalties are very significant. Losing 40% of your scholarships for four years means you will not be able to compete with ANYONE at the D-1 level, and will certainly impact what kids you CAN get with the other scholarships. The NCAA said years ago that they were never going to use the death penalty again (else Bama would have gotten it a few years back). But quit making this sound like a slap on the wrist.

jw

July 23rd, 2012
10:04 am

seems this may be worse than the death penalty

Vince Dooley

July 23rd, 2012
10:05 am

It’s not an SEC school so of course they’ll get hammered. This sort of thing happened all the time at Bama. Why do you think Bryant was called “The Bear”?

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
10:05 am

I’m going to buy some extra Chick-fil-A sandwiches for lunch today to help celebrate my title and to help support that company.

BTW, Penn State needs to shut it down for a year or two, at least, to help purge that mess and show some genuine remorse.

Football is Just a Game.

The lives of those untold numbers of kids is what (should) really matter to that university.

Freedom from Insanity

July 23rd, 2012
10:05 am

These are good sanctions, which will have a negative affect on Penn State and still allow the football,players to transfer. Some of the comments here clearly indicate the individuals either didn’t or couldn’t read the article. The NCAA does not get the money, it is to be used for programs focused on sexually abused children….and clearly indicated not to be used in conjunction with Penn State.

As far as victories go, I agree that Eddie Robinson should be #1, not Bobbie Bowden.

I also hope the Paterno family can begin to understand exactly what has happened and not continue to stick their heads in the sand! They can certainly do their own investigation, but be careful what you wish for……it may not please you!

Beau Bock

July 23rd, 2012
10:06 am

Al Bundy? Didn’t you once score 4 touchdowns in one game? And by the way, why is that McQueery dude walking away scott free? He witnessed this crap and did nothing. I’ve never read anywhere that Paterno saw any of this.

PureEvil

July 23rd, 2012
10:08 am

Screw watching the video… I’ll just ask dumb questions and make my self look like an idiot in the comment section!!

Watch the video or find transcription of the NCAA ruling, do a little research and stop looking like a fool when you ask dumb questions in the comment section!

Dave

July 23rd, 2012
10:08 am

Since when does the NCAA set penalties like a court, but in this case without any sort of legal rights or appellate opinions….this is flat out wrong…the idea that the NCAA (a athletic association & board) can decide as if it is a court, to punish a university for NON-SPORTS related transgressions is scary. That they can order a university to set aside funds, reduce scholarships in a sport that violated no NCCA rules or infractions and put a university athletic department on probation for something that has nothing to do with athletics or academia. Hey Alabama, Ohio State and Southern Cal…..look out the NCAA has just decided they are Judge, Jury and Executioner and they ain’t just carrying a big stick, but a cannon!

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
10:08 am

I’m The Champ!

$uck It, Bear!

$uck It, Paterno!

The only race you jokers won was the race to the grave.

That, and being able to stay alive for more than a month after you all quit coaching.

People still love me!

Hilarity of a High Minded Hypocrite

July 23rd, 2012
10:09 am

“Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people” Mark Emmert

Sure, and I’m the King of England

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
10:09 am

FREE SHOES UNIVERSITY ain’t so bad now, is it?

Jaded

July 23rd, 2012
10:09 am

Georgia moves into the top 10 in all-time wins. Woo hoo.

But on a more serious note, these penalties don’t sit right with me. Just don’t feel the entire football program should be destroyed for the sins of a few people who aren’t even at the university anymore.

I finally connected the dots last night

July 23rd, 2012
10:10 am

Even the undefeated 94 was questionable in the eyes of the AP and hence the reason they did not finished number 1.

Al Bundy

July 23rd, 2012
10:11 am

Vince Dooley, you’ve got it backward. SEC schools tend to get hit worse than others, because one of the other SEC schools can take up any slack. It’s Southern Cal that can get away with almost anything, because they are the only big program on the west coast (Stanford and Oregon are just OK).

Now Penn State needs to brace themselves for the civil suits…

Paddy

July 23rd, 2012
10:13 am

I have never had a kind word for the NCAA. Today is different. They hit PSU HARD! Even with 15 scholly’s to give in each of the next 4 years, who is going to accept them? 5′8″ w/r’s , 220lbs linemen & 5′10″ ’s, qbs, thats who. This effect will last 10 years, easy. Now that is the “death penelty”!

I knew it was gonna happen.

July 23rd, 2012
10:14 am

I said it in Nov. The NCAA would find a way to remove at least 2 of his victories and probably enough to give Bowden the division 1 win total.

They had to. Can you imagine Paterno’s name on top and the damage to the brand for all eternity.

I knew it was gonna happen.

July 23rd, 2012
10:17 am

Jay Paterno is making me sick. “Their won investigation”? What, with OJ in charge?

I knew it was gonna happen.

July 23rd, 2012
10:17 am

own

Jerome Horwitz

July 23rd, 2012
10:22 am

Larry/sorrynot – Gay guy once told me the biggest bashers and haters of homosexuals are usually suppressing homosexual feelings themselves.

And it’s assinine to connect homesexuals and pedophiles – two different birds and rarely are the two the same.

Skitty Fritty

July 23rd, 2012
10:22 am

The civil suits will hurt PSU where it counts, in the pocketbook. PSU football is done. They won’t be able to compete anymore because all their $ will be gone.

Charlie Hayes

July 23rd, 2012
10:22 am

UGA needs to make a push to go after Adam Breneman (2013 TE)!

I knew it was gonna happen.

July 23rd, 2012
10:22 am

LOL. Wikipedia now show he had 0 wins from 98 (see chart at bottom). LOL. What school keeps a coach that goes 12+ seasons without a win?

bill

July 23rd, 2012
10:22 am

Penn State was bound to be discovered. I have afriend who went to PennState and is a huge fan and supporter. He told me ten years ago that when Joe Paterno died the athletic program would die with him. He said the hidden truth behind the program would be made public because Paterno was not there to control the information flow. How right he was and he was not talking about Jerry Sandusky. We shall see what will happen when the athletes start leaving PennState for other schools. It appears that that edict applies to ALL sports and I think a ton of guys and girls will go for greener pastures. Lose 25 experienced players plus eligibilty and graduation issues and try to replace them with second teir recruits and you will not be able to beat Duke Vanderbilt or Northwestern. That punishment will be a blow to arrogance everywhere even Ohio State.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
10:23 am

Jay Paterno makes my fornicating sons look like geniuses and choir boys.

Older Women Seeking Young Males = Cougars

Older Men Seeking Young Males = Nittany Lions

Remember when Joe Paterno was portrayed as the stoic, pious, law-abiding, disciplined antithesis to Jimmy Johnson and his gang of felons from Miami back in the ’80s?

Jimmy & the Canes don’t look quite so bad now, either, do they?

Skitty Fritty

July 23rd, 2012
10:23 am

Alabama better rethink allowing the HC, AD and team doctor to address discipline issues after this announcement.

Dave

July 23rd, 2012
10:23 am

NCAA did it right! The sanctions are leveled against the university. The 60 million is not going to the NCAA but to an endowement. The only way to get the attention of the university and other schools is by hitting them in the pocketbook. The sanctions do this for an extended period and oh by the why screw up during this period and there is more to come.

Join Reality

July 23rd, 2012
10:24 am

The NCAA stepping in and prescribing a medicine of fines and reduced scholarships and stealing away victories from Coach Paterno is like the USDA levying fines on Farmer Brown for using his cattle ranch to launder money for the mob.

Ken

July 23rd, 2012
10:24 am

This is a cover-up, if Penn St does not get the death penalty, then the death penalty should have never been given to SMU, etc… and should never be given to any University in the future.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
10:25 am

I always said Joe wore them dark glasses so people couldn’t see his inner demon peering out at them.

I didn’t realize it was a REAL Demon Joe had in him, actually from He l l.

TechRon

July 23rd, 2012
10:27 am

Absolute BS. NCAA is way out of line. Who are they punishing? People who are not guilty and did not even know about the wrongdoings. Sandusky is going to prison, Paterno is dead. Everyone else needs to be left alone. Aren’t they there to make sure that no one cheats and gets a competitive advantage over other schools? I would say that are way out of their area of authority. Sandusky is the cause of all of this and bears the main burden of guilt. Paterno has some culpability: he should have called the cops after he saw the President do nothing. The President of PSU deserves a huge kick in the ass also. How is any of this the fault of everyone who is left to suffer now? Students, alumni, supporters, current coaches and players, businesses and workers who depend on the program, all are completely innocent. Complete nonsense. NCAA should but out and let the law decide what to do with the guilty parties.

I am the farthest thing from a Penn. State fan, but I have to tell you I am up in arms about this!

Paddy

July 23rd, 2012
10:28 am

I knew it was gonna happen. ……….The investigation was financed by PSU. But it was independent and run by the former FBI Director. Believe me when I say, PSU wished it would have never commissioned that investigation. It was the backbone of the fndings of the NCAA. That report nailed the school to the wall. No this was not an OJ deal, far from it!

bill

July 23rd, 2012
10:29 am

SMU got the death penalty because the NCAA discovered a million dollar slush fund from which players were paid salaries for playing. The NCAA gave them a punishment and SMU agreed to never do it agin. The following year SMU continued to pay players from a different slush fund because they felt like they were contractually committed to these players. The Texas Governor was involved as a Regent and when discovered the NCAA gave them the death penalty. They were caught doing the same thing after they promised to never do it again. Had they waited a couple of years or cheated in some other way like Ohio State they would have been slapped on the wrist.

G

July 23rd, 2012
10:30 am

Only time will tell on how severe these penalties will impact PennSt. They should recover from the $60M, but the scholarship reduction (in the Big10) may prove to be more harmful than some skeptics think.

Old Tech

July 23rd, 2012
10:30 am

At too many Universities wins are more important than ethics. This has happened at other places, and I hope they all can come to light, now. Schools need to be about education. Athletics have a place as a part of that education, but the last 50 years it has become the reason unto itself.

We need to return to the days when coaches were do allowed to be paid more than other faculty members. Let the NFL & NBA paid the multi-millionaires. College coaches need to teach & lead, regardless of the win/loss record.

Old Tech

July 23rd, 2012
10:31 am

“were NOT allowed….”

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
10:31 am

With all the soul-selling and downright evil those two had to do to win in college football, I bet Bear Bryant and Joe Paterno are fighting over a glass of ice water where they are right now.

Tdawg

July 23rd, 2012
10:32 am

This is total BS. In case the NCAA hadn’t heard, the guilty parties are already being dealt with. By the law. A governing body that unlike the NCAA, has the authority to do so. The guilty parties are no longer at Penn State, so how the he!! are these sanctions going to teach Penn State a lesson? Some of you morons wants to give Penn State the death penalty. Who’s gonna receive this penalty? The coaches there now, the players, the alumni, the students and the new administrators, none of which is responsible for this mess. The NCAA is way over stepping its bounds and just posturing. Penn State will take this to court and teach the NCAA a lesson that it has needed to learn for a long time coming. The NCAA knows that when this goes to court they will be laughed out of the building. The only reason they are doing this, is because they are just trying to get a few brownie points from the outraged fans. People have a right to be pissed off at Penn State. How about being pissed off at the right people though. You know. The one’s that are no longer there.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
10:34 am

If this criminal activity had happened in Tuscaloosa, all those young boys reporting those horrible crimes would have… “disappeared.”

Coincidentally, so would have any investigations or lawsuits.

old dog

July 23rd, 2012
10:34 am

The main one who SHOULD get the death penalty (literally) is Sandusky; they could hold a lottery on who gets to push the needle/be the hangman/pull the switch. If ever the death penalty in this nation should be applicable, it is to this snot rag.

mambo

July 23rd, 2012
10:34 am

This is a ceremonial slap on the wrist.

G

July 23rd, 2012
10:34 am

In addition, the NCAA is allowing athletes to transfer without prejudice. We may see the impacts to this program immediately.

brad

July 23rd, 2012
10:34 am

What’s your fixation with Bryant about?

I knew it was gonna happen.

July 23rd, 2012
10:35 am

Hey TechRon, idiot line is over there. A penalty serves two purposes, or should. One is a warning to all who dare go there. This is about Penn State and anybody observing.

AUtom

July 23rd, 2012
10:36 am

Firstly, the NCAA could not give the Death Penalty because Penn St would have no incentive to pay the penalty. Football is their cash cow and PSU wont pay a fine to keep the other sports that are just formalities and expenses going. Secondly, the NCAA is just cashing in on the mistakes of a few idiots.Jerome MJ how do you figure the businesses,students,and college personnel were all complicit if the DA didnt. Please stop posting because you are a fool.And the alumni of almost every school is proud of the university. That is the nature of any competitive organization so what is the point?
I agree with CrAzy that the NCAA shouldnt punish the rest of the students,athletes,and university personnel that had nothing to do with this. The bulk of the punishment should be shouldered by those in this. C Moakler is right and this should be handled by the legal system and not the NCAA in a kangaroo court. This is beyond the scope of sports. Should the whole university be shut down because three or four employees were involved.There would be way more innocent victims in that scenario. And it is the same for the athletic program.We focus so much on penalty and not enough on reality.

ed

July 23rd, 2012
10:39 am

let the transfers begin.. cant wait to see what kind of team they field this year.. lol

over1861

July 23rd, 2012
10:39 am

The NCAA really needs to stick to what they are qualified to do. I believe they are limited or should be limited to athletic issues. They should stick to monitoring on field actions and recruiting violations. Legal matters should be handled by the legal authorities. I guess next they will be punishing coachs and athletes if one of them kills somebody!

Buckeye

July 23rd, 2012
10:40 am

And please make sure, if you ever cover up years of child rape, please do not lie about tattoos.

I knew it was gonna happen.

July 23rd, 2012
10:40 am

The state attorney general should investigate the Board of Regents chair that resigned last week too. His is knee deep in this most likely. What you bet, he didn’t pressure or threaten other members.

pbt dawg fan

July 23rd, 2012
10:42 am

UGA only has 69 scholarship players. CMR should already be on a plane to State College, PA

Buckeye

July 23rd, 2012
10:43 am

Under the circustances, the NCAA made reasonable accomodations to the current players including transfer and saying on scholarhsip if one opts out of the football program.

What is utter BS, is the punishment hurts the current football players and fans who had zero to do the incident.

Skitty Fritty

July 23rd, 2012
10:44 am

AUtom:
How does this shut down the whole university? Based on your tag line of Auburn then it is all about football? I guess I have a better understanding of Cam Newton now and how Auburn fans think.

Dr. Phil

July 23rd, 2012
10:45 am

Put the President and AD in prison. If the NCAA wants to stop cheating and lying, hold coaches responsible and ban those who run cheating and out of control programs.

Aquagirl

July 23rd, 2012
10:45 am

You people who think Penn St should have got the death penalty because of the actions of few have absolutely no compassion for the players who went there in good faith. The death penalty would hurt those players WAY more than it would the school

Look, if you want to live out your life vicariously through a bunch of football players who got the chance you never had, fine. But don’t make them more important than raped children and a program totally out of control.

The players can transfer to other schools anyhow, but OMG WE MIGHT RUIN THEIR PERFECT JOCK FANTASY. Cry me a river, boy. Now grow up and show a little more concern for raped kids than your fantasy stand-ins.

If your first concern in this matter is “what about the football players” you need to take a serious look at your life because it’s downright pathetic. Turn off the TV, stop spending your entire weekend looking at young men in tight pants, wishing that was YOU out there.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
10:46 am

Did Joe Paterno conveniently fake his own death and then clandestinely escape to South America like Adolf Hitler did to elude the accountability and criminal prosecution for his own crimes?

Would you really be surprised if he did? REALLY?

dawgfan75

July 23rd, 2012
10:47 am

Any program that is so caught up their own perceived importance that it allows the rape of children in order to protect itself should be dismantled and buried. I have lost all respect for the NCAA. If the Big 10 schools do not protest this slap on the wrist then they do not deserve respect, either.

Buckeye

July 23rd, 2012
10:48 am

I can’t believe you dogs would want any slow payers from the Big 10.

ToccoaDawg

July 23rd, 2012
10:49 am

The NCAA did what it had to do. The punishment could have been more severe and I would still agree with it. This was a coverup from the Top down. No team should be above the law. The current players and Coaches at PSU will have to pay for something they didn’t do, and that’s the sad part in all of this. But this will just go to show what integrity Coach O’Brien and the PSU Players have. They will have to lay the ground work for a new PSU program, one with honesty and integrity. Doing the right thing isn’t always the easy thing, it IS the HONORABLE thing. Good luck to Coach O’Brien and the current PSU players.

I knew it was gonna happen.

July 23rd, 2012
10:49 am

I believe Paterno committed suicide. Yes, lung cancer is one of the worst and fastest to kill, but still he appeared fine in late Nov, then dead in Jan. Come on.

Al Bundy

July 23rd, 2012
10:50 am

Yes, they are punishing people who were not directly involved, but what is the alternative? Let them get away with it? The school had to be penalized. The players can leave if they choose to. At this point, they probably wont be able to find a school with scholarships available for this season, though.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
10:53 am

Y’ALL IS…

PENN STATE !

—-

L O L !

Ernie

July 23rd, 2012
10:54 am

Hello everyone, great discussion. I am writing a story on this for the AJC and I am looking to speak directly to some Penn State alums in the Atlanta area. If that is you, or you know of someone, please email me. esuggs@ajc.com. Thanks

brad

July 23rd, 2012
10:55 am

Bobby, let’s here more about Bryant and Hitler. Clearly you’re on to something that the rest of the world has missed.

UGA INSIDER

July 23rd, 2012
10:55 am

These sanctions are basically the death penalty. 4 yr loss of schollys and a 4 year post season ban are bad but the NCAA crushed this program by allowing kids to transfer immediately. Although it is late to transfer I would imagine some of the Rfresh and sophomores will leave promptly. This will destroy the program for 10-15 years.

Look for a couple of Penn St Olineman to end up at UGA. We hired the strength coordinator who has many ties to these players. Look for UGA to land 2 or 3 players I would guess. You heard it here first.

DIT

July 23rd, 2012
10:56 am

It’s a sad group of people on here that are more worried about who’s the most winningest coach now that Paterno’s wins are vacated. Who gives a flip about most wins. The victims are the ones that came out of it the worst. All the money in the world can’t take away what that man and University took away from them when they were 10-11 years old.

SG

July 23rd, 2012
10:57 am

Isn’t this all a bit harsh for PSU? Hear me out, when I hear “Sandusky” my stomach goes into knots, I feel sick! I am very disgusted with the team leaders & feel they should be punished as well. My question is, aren’t there others within PSU who had nothing to do with this & had no knowledge of it but yet they too are being punished for these horrible events that ruined so many lives including theirs to no fault of their own? I don’t know but I feel PSU as a whole is going down & it doesn’t feel right to me. That animal & those greedy spineless leaders should not have the power to ruin more lives.

UGA INSIDER

July 23rd, 2012
10:58 am

Al Bundy:

Try UGA. We have 16 available spots and a strength coach who knows all the PSU players. Look for UGA to land a few. Great opportunity to get some depth on our Oline.

Help wanted --Need TB at UGA

July 23rd, 2012
10:58 am

All TB at Penn State please apply especially if you can pass block

LakeDawg

July 23rd, 2012
10:58 am

I’m hoping this is a sea change with the NCAA. I’m encouraged by Emmert’s comments calling for an end to hero worship of these coaches. Maybe amatuerism can make a comeback. Football has way too much power at most of these universities. The collegiate spirit that I loved when I first started following college football is all but dead.

Alphare

July 23rd, 2012
10:58 am

NCAA is totally wrong with this penalty. Those who committed crimes should pay in the court of law, like Sandusky, the former DA and president. NCAA should fine those people.

But instead, the NCAA is punishing the innocent, the bystanders and those who are trying to make something good out of the evils.

I knew it was gonna happen.

July 23rd, 2012
10:58 am

Penn State National Champions before 2021. You saw it here. Listen, how long did it take GB to win the super bowl when that overrated idiot Farve was gone. Penn State will forever regret hold on to Paterno. Forever.

James

July 23rd, 2012
10:59 am

Penn State= SCUM! The whole adminstration
up there cover up this just to win a few football
games? Just sickening!

I hope Penn State becomes the new SMU of this decade
and never recovers… who is the heck would want to send
a kid up there to play now?

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
10:59 am

I read somewhere that Adolf Hitler’s last documented words before faking his own death were “ROLL TIDE!”

The Statue Truth

July 23rd, 2012
11:00 am

I think it is safe to say, that anytime a school puts up a statue of a current coach while he is still coaching at that school, that the football program and that coach has way to much power in that school.
What say you?

macrotech

July 23rd, 2012
11:00 am

I understand that the ncaa is making an example of Penn State’s silence on such a heinous situation…however, I really hate the way it effects ALL the people that had nothing to do with the cover-up and hardly effects the lives of the people responsible for the crimes. Joe Pa has passed away, Sandusky, I’d imagine is more worried about his cell mates and the former President and AD of PSU has been released. I confess that I don’t have an answer…it just appears that the ncaa has used this case to fluff up their flightless feathers for the TV cameras. I was more irritated by the way Mark Emmert pranced about the stage as he fielded questions…he was eating up all the attention…come to think of it…he’s PERFECT as the face of the ncaa!

ed

July 23rd, 2012
11:00 am

How many college teams are flying coaches out or making calls as we type?

Artie

July 23rd, 2012
11:01 am

What they got was about right.

GFY

July 23rd, 2012
11:01 am

Hey Suckey:

Too bad for the football players having to suffer with a bowl ban……they still have their scholarship and they are in school to receive an education, correct? Think about the real victims before you spout off about the football players being hurt.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
11:04 am

Somebody told me that Joe Paterno’s final words before he had to fake his death and sneak out of that hospital dressed as a woman (ugly-style) were: “Jerry & Those D – - n Kids!”

I don’t know that for sure, but that is what I heard.

brad

July 23rd, 2012
11:06 am

Heard from the voices in your head.

Samantha

July 23rd, 2012
11:07 am

Because of all of the KNOWN child molestation..Penn State should lose ALL financial aid and their accreditation! It is sick how people knew what was going on and nobody said a word.

Dee

July 23rd, 2012
11:07 am

Who cares which team has won the most games???????????????????????????????? How can the victims receive help for the YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS of institutionalized rape???…….I pray that the young men will find it in their hearts to forgive at some point.

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
11:07 am

Penn St deserves receiving these harsh penalties. They deserve the harshest penalties since the Pony Express. Paterno knew He had a Monster on his staff & decided to turn the other cheek.(sorry)
These penalties will set Penn St back a minimum of 10 yrs.
SMU has still not over-come their penalties from 25+ yrs ago.
The NC2A no longer uses the term “death penalty”, however this is it for Penn St.
Next up for the NC2A is the U. The U will likely get something similar to Penn St minus the $60mil fine. Miami will probably lose 10 scholly’s per season over the next 4 or 5 yrs plus a minimum 3 yr Bowl Ban.

On a personal note, I hope Bobby Bowden will rightfully re-claim the title of winning-est College Football Coach, unless of course someone has something on Mickey Andrews!!
Every game Paterno won with Sandusky on the staff should be vacated.

Dee

July 23rd, 2012
11:08 am

Are championship teams more valuable than humans? God HELP our twisted society……

Paddy

July 23rd, 2012
11:09 am

Tdawg……the NCAA is not over-stepping their bounds. They are chartered to do just what they did today. And no, PSU will never go into civil court to fight the NCAA on this. If the new presdent of PSU ever mentions a lawsuit against the NCAA, it will be his last day on the job. The Board of Regents are fed up with this mess and want it behind them. The will hide in their holes and hope they can win a couple games in 2023.

BamaDawg

July 23rd, 2012
11:11 am

Some interesting point to this sad situation:
- Southern Cal has demonstrated that having scholarships reduced to 15 doesn’t necessarily mean the program is doomed
- As of today, Penn State currently has more in-state top 10 players committed than UGA has in Georgia…wonder if it will stay that way?

UA80

July 23rd, 2012
11:12 am

Statue Truth: You’re dead on. Wish my alma mater had not erected a statue of Saban.

Big Crimson 75

July 23rd, 2012
11:16 am

TechRon — I’m no NCAA fan, but they had no choice.
You have to make a statement. At the end of the day, it’s Penn St U that has to suffer for the wrong-doings of their DC & HC(for being part of a cover up).
What happened @ Penn St cannot be tolerated — a quick decisive strike had to come down.
Often times with NCAA sanctions, the ones that are guilty are long gone when the punishment comes.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
11:17 am

Coach Mark Richt used to work for me, but he’ll get fired at UGA long before he ever gets close to my coaching record.

Tucker

July 23rd, 2012
11:19 am

If the NCAA is now in the business of penalizing universities for covering up criminal activities, the whole drug use by athletes issue should keep the NCAA busy and cut down on the number of teams eligible for the new football playoff series.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
11:20 am

Will Coach Saban have to fake his own death as well before all the scandals during his time at Bama come to light, or will he have moved on to the Texas Longhorns by then?

Bowden vs Bear

July 23rd, 2012
11:22 am

Seasons: Bowden 33. Bear 26
National Championships: Bear 6, Bowden 2
Conf Championships: Bear 14, Bowden 12

Sept 1989, Bowden can go to SEC or ACC. It is his call. What did the spineless S&** do? Check FSU vs ACC and FSU vs SEC prior to 89.

Bear had better results in shorter time period in tougher conference. Oh, Bowden had a losing record to EVERY CANE coach with a winning record (5)

Moot Point

July 23rd, 2012
11:23 am

Larry/sorrynot – Standing ovation!!!!!!!!! Your comments are so true.

pbt dawg fan

July 23rd, 2012
11:23 am

AuqaGirl
This is not about ‘what about the football players” this is about punishing people that was elementary school when all this happen. Not only are the Football players being punish, the fans, students (incoming and present) teachers, business onwers (who generate reveune from saturday football games) are also being punish. Building on Penn State campus are built because football, funds for program on Penn State are generate because of Football. Should ever college program be punish for the act of a Few. What Jerry Sandusky did does not Define Penn State, but some people want to make Penn State out to be a bad place. But Its not. Joe Pa didn’t just do some good things for Penn State. HE MADE PENN STATE. Pleas allow the Penn State community to heal.

pbt dawg fan

July 23rd, 2012
11:29 am

@ bowden vs Bear

Bowdon had to build a program from rock bottom. Bama was already good when Bear got to Bama. Bowdon and Bryant kinda coach in different times when Bowdon was coming in Bear was going out. Bear had some bad record against some teams also. Check bear bryant record against Notre Dame.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
11:33 am

Enter your comments here

UA80

July 23rd, 2012
11:33 am

They were both great coaches. It’s not a mutually exclusive proposition.

Atlantan

July 23rd, 2012
11:34 am

No Death Penalty – they got away with it! AJ Greene missed more games due to a jersey than anyone on Penn State will miss. Heck GT had a championship vacated due to nonsense and lost schollys.

The NCAA only cares about money in the end….

Bowden vs Bear

July 23rd, 2012
11:35 am

pbt you conveniently missed the part about Bowden choosing to go the ACC vs SEC. And Bowden had 6 more seasons to get the program built.

Oh, Bowden had a 40% success rate in NC games. I’m sure the Bears was much better. No way the coaches compare.

Aquagirl

July 23rd, 2012
11:41 am

Pleas allow the Penn State community to heal.

A great way to heal is to stop worshiping football. This school, from the president on down, took their game too seriously. There was too much at stake to upset all those things you list, like construction of buildings and other programs. There was too much money, too much momentum, and too much identity wrapped up in football to let a possible scandal out of the bag.

People who cry “it’s too big to fail” don’t get that.

Students can go study or do a billion other things.
Coaches can get jobs at other universities, or God forbid, get a real job.
Business owners can adjust, it’s not like all those students would sit in their dorms all weekend.
Players can transfer or God forbid, stop playing football.

I know that last one is what really brings the howls because some of y’all can’t imagine anything worse. IT’S A GAME. Being denied a chance to play football is so unthinkable y’all freak out over unwarranted “punishment.”

That alone tells you why those running the program decided kids took second place to people with twisted priorities like yours, who say football must continue because it’s too important to stop.

And as far as Joe Paterno….well, you’re only supposed to say good things about the dead. He’s dead. Good.

Bowden vs Bear

July 23rd, 2012
11:44 am

Paterno. Prior to 88, his teams finished in the 5 eleven times.

After 88, 3 times but Penn State refused to let him go. Why? The all time record. Let’s take a moment to laugh. We are…..Penn State!

Also a PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
11:47 am

@ PSU Alum – You’re right, he was not a coach at the time. He was just treated as if he was, with all the privileges and access to the facilities to inflict his damage on kids. You compare this to a program being punished for a player’s DUI. Penn State and the football program are not being punished for the actions of Sandusky, as your comment implies. They are being punished for “looking the other way” and knowingly allowing the abuse to continue (and even facilitating it through perks) when it was apparent there were serious problems “over and over” again, over many years by people at all levels of power at the university who had the ability to stop the actions.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
11:47 am

Vacate Your Football Wins Since Your Covered Up Pedophilia to Protect Your Legacy Here

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
11:50 am

If the NCAA was smart, they ought to look into how many of them 9/11 hijackers were working for Joe Paterno at the time.

Joe Paterno kinda looked like one of them Libyans to me.

Mike

July 23rd, 2012
11:55 am

I sincerely pray that those of you who say Penn State should lose all financial aid and degrees should lose all accreditation are kidding. I wouldn’t put it past a bunch of redneck UGA fans to truly believe that though.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
11:56 am

For all his faults, evil and sickness as A MAN, at least Sandusky THE COACH can still say that his Defense was good enough to stop Herschel Walker and beat Vince Dooley’s Georgia Bulldogs for the National Title.

woodrow

July 23rd, 2012
11:58 am

I don’t believe in the ‘punish everyone’ idea here. I think the punishment needs to target the people involved and what happened. Spraying blame everywhere is just stupid.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
12:01 pm

I wonder how longer Mrs. Paterno will keep up that grieving-widow charade before she decides to “retire” to Argentina and join Joe on the beach there.

In other news, tourism to Sandusky, Ohio is down drastically this summer.

7576DAWG

July 23rd, 2012
12:03 pm

Peterno was a great coach and he loved Penn State. When you live on campus and you give millions to your University and sign a contract every year for millions less than the going rate of other winning programs, then you can’t prove your love any more. Paterno loved Penn State.
THEN, you lie, or cover up or look the other way one time and all that go’s away. The problem with what Paterno and others did was once you started down that road of enabling a Pedophile or child molester then the lie,cover up, or looking the other way continues from the time of the incident to the time it was found out. And a great coaches entire life become meaningless like it never happened.
By far the largest scandal , crime, cover up ,however you want to phrase it, EVER in College sports. Nothing will ever top this.
NCAA got it right, Penn State got it right .

7576DAWG

July 23rd, 2012
12:06 pm

Sorry, The big Ten got it right also.

Bobby Bowden: Winningest Coach of All Time

July 23rd, 2012
12:07 pm

JoePa will NOT be vacating his National Championship Victory & Sugar Bowl win over Herschel Walker and Georgia, just so you know, Bulldog Fans.

Dawg'88

July 23rd, 2012
12:09 pm

Hypocrites abound here, sportswriters, in the NCAA, and America in general:

Where is all of the outrage when 1,000,000 children are killed every year and over 40,000,000 in the last 39 years by dismembering them and crushing their skulls? Make no mistake the legal practice of abortion (murder) is the tearing off of the limbs of the child and crushing its skull to remove the baby.
Its disgusting and immoral. But its the Truth of abortion: dismemberment.

All of this disgust is appropriate for the heinous crime but then the same folks calling for PSU’s punishment turn a blind eye towards the killing of the unborn. Their voices are silent in the face of gross moral evil.

Of course the old argument will be…”its legal”. Segregation was legal, denying people the right to vote was legal. But people stood up and challenged what was immoral and indecent.

Don’t want to read one more disgust post or article without the same outrage over those facts listed above. It is time to call it like it is: Hypocracy! Where is your voice for those who most innocent children who should be safe in their own mother’s womb. Silence from these outspoken judges and juries. That silence is deafening!

pbt dawg fan

July 23rd, 2012
12:15 pm

AquaGirl

Ok, i understand you may be upset, but wishing somebody dead is not going the to fix what happen. You talk about football like its a bad Decease,sometime sports does help with the healing process, just ask the people in New orleans that. I pretty sure that students can find other things to do besides going to football games, but that not what the students want to do. They want won’t to go to football games. Apparently you don’t understand whats happens on a football saturday. You don’t understand about the family, and fellowship thats also included in college football games. Maybe you should talk to those business owners before you speak on their behalf about the lose in reveune from football saturday. Whether you like it are not football in apart of american society today. I am not taking up for Penn State, but people shouldn’t wish for bad things to happen to people that didn’t have anything to do with the problem. You can’t blame penn state fan for being passionate about football. Playing football will help that community heal, i’ve seen happen before. Sandusky is going to prison for life. Joe Pa is dead. Please let Penn State move on. People blame Joe Pa for this. but ask this question. Why didn’t the person that witness the crime go to the police?

pbt dawg fan

July 23rd, 2012
12:18 pm

Mike

I am a UGA Fan and I don’t think that please read my post to Aquagirl

brad

July 23rd, 2012
12:19 pm

So, Dawg88, your thought is that that as long as abortion is legal, no other activity can be morally condemned? I guess that gets James Holmes off the hook.

sourgrapes

July 23rd, 2012
12:31 pm

Just throwing this out there, for all you folks worried about the 85 player scholarship limit:

The NCAA has already announced that they will lift that limit for any school if the 86th and above are PSU transfers.

Fan of the Game

July 23rd, 2012
12:33 pm

First of all my thoughts and prayers still go out to the victims. Many people dropped the ball in this tragedy. Penn St. administration and coaching staff, DFACS and anybody else that approved for Sanduskey to be around kids. I cannot agree with the NCAA. They said it had nothing to do with football, but it did. They gave into pressure and did something before the 2012 season instead of waiting for their own investigation. I know Penn St. agreed with the report but how in the world can it take the NCAA 2 to 3 years to get results on other situations but can come to this conclusion in less than a month. Bottom line is that the student athletes are being punished for absolutely doing nothing wrong. Oh yea the NCAA is good at punishing the innocent and letting the guilty walk. They gave into public pressure. I really wonder what the victims would have like to have happened. Something had to be done but I just feel like they jumped at an answer that they felt everybody had to have. Penn State will survive this and hopefully this will not happen at other institutions over the country. The good Lord brought this to our attention and we need to prevent it and speak up whenever there is any evidence that it is going on.

Harmon Wages

July 23rd, 2012
12:35 pm

Hitler, Bin Laden, Paterno

Melvin Castro

July 23rd, 2012
12:38 pm

The sanctions are an important first step, but I still believe they should have gone further.
I believe all the running water in the football locker rooms should be turned off for four years, and a statue of Sandusky should be permanently erected in the showers as a reminder of what happened there.
Nevar forgit.

Tony S

July 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm

Vacating wins was mistake and too harsh. Jo Pa’s TEAMS won those games fair and square, no violations for playing illegal players, cheating, etc.. He had a Very, Very serious lapse of judgment which had nothing to do with those games, that the NCAA wants to punish the program for something outside the program is theirs to do, but to take away the games should not be, Jo Pa is and will always will be the winningest coach in football, and I know a lot of people dont like that, but again, HIS TEAMS won those games fair and square, on the field

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A.B. Normal

July 23rd, 2012
1:00 pm

If the folks from Penn State had just consulted with the Auburn folks on how to cover up stuff better Jerry’s little indiscretions would probably never have been believed. Sheeesh!

What a shame

July 23rd, 2012
1:05 pm

What a crock this was…..Yes I agree this was not harsh enough and wish they would have gotten the death penalty. There was a COMPLETE lack of institutional control over this program and this university. Since so many individuals were covering up such a horrific crime, this entire school should be razed or at least stripped of its accreditations’. If the president knew this horrific event was going on and did nothing to stop this then what is there to say he did not know of educational issues going on that he did nothing to stop or helped cover up???

ed

July 23rd, 2012
1:09 pm

We are Penn state. No wins since 98.

T Man

July 23rd, 2012
1:23 pm

Me thinks it is a little over the top…….no way over the top! Sure we all think the past events are horrid and should never have happened but what good is 60M going to do? Well sure, it sends a strong message to PSU and others not to tolerate such behavior but do not 99.99% of them already have this philosophy? The other .001% won’t care about fines anyway. I am no PSU fan but I just think it is a typical knee jerk reaction to a bad situation. What of the kids that are there now? Why should they be penalized for something they had nothing to do with? And what about the fans? They had nothing to do with it. Why not fine and punish the exact individuals that were at fault and leave the rest of them alone? The NCAA is just trying to look tough but to me wound up looking politically correct.

Punishment not enough

July 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm

I am okay with the penalties passed down, but I would have added: 1) The death penalty: NO football program at PSU for two years; in fact, the entire program would be completly dark for two years, including no back-door fund-raising, no practice, nothing! 2) NO media coverage of any PSU sport events, and 3) NO media coverage for two years of the football team upon its return.

And ANY of you–including the Paterno family–who feel that Joe P is “being victimized,” and that his statue should have remained, and that this is overkill punishing “the innocent”…BS! You are in denial.

Those young boys were raped and Joe Paterno and all the others knew it and looked the other way; they let it continue to happen in order to preserve the PSU football name. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.

The Paterno family and others need “radical acceptance” of the fact that Joe did WRONG, boys wre permanently harmed and he, Spanier, Curley and the others ARE to be held accountable and to pay.

The legal system will deal with Spanier, Curley, et al. Joe Paterno is dead, but his punishment is being doled out, and instead of him dying feeling he got away with all his misdeeds, he died KNOWING his name would be mud in the annals of football and society.

Paterno was NOT a hero, he was a coward. NO statue! NO name on buildings! NOT the winningest coach now! Someone who allowed kids to be raped. Again I say Shame.

Ken K. Green

July 23rd, 2012
1:33 pm

The NCAA raises its gestapo-esque hand and wrongfully smacks Penn State University.

The only thing they did right was not to impose the “death penalty”. If they had, innocent people would have been punished. People such as the players, current coaches, fans, schools on their schedule, etc. that had no knowledge of or nothing o do with these sickening criminal acts.

That’s exactly wat they were. Criminal acts. The NCAA is not a judicial entity. They are a governing body for member schools. Although what happened at Penn Sate is tragic for the victims and their families and friends, it did not give the football team any advantage over other NCAA schools.

Penn State University did not commit these acts. Men did. Jerry Sandusky did. Joe Paterno had knowledge, Sandusky was tried and convicted and is awaiting sentencing, hopefully to spend the rest his life behind bars. Paterno was fired and his statue removed. He is now deceased. There is no point in flogging a dead horse as they say. Not much else you can do to him except strip wins from his record which the NCAA wrongfully did. Wrong because it also punishes players and a University that are innocent.

If the mayor of your town commits a heinous crime and is punished by the law and then the state comes along and punishes the entire town by stripping it of financial funding and levies fines against it that the taxpaying citizens have to pay for is this right? No it is not. Neither is what the NCAA did to Penn State University.

Should AMC Theaters be punished because some gun wielding idiot walked into a movie and killed a dozen people and wounded 50 others? NO! But if the NCAA were in charge they might be.

Nothing can be done to bring back the innocence of the victims of Sandusky but he has been punished.

Although the NCAA’s sanctions against PSU may send a strong message it does not solve anything and will not deter this from happening again. Unfortunately it’s the nature of the beast.

Sexual abuse is a sickness that happens everywhere everyday. As a 20 year veteran of law enforcement, I have seen and heard of it in all shapes and forms. And you can bet the farm that for every case you hear of there are dozens of others that are not reported.

The law can only take care of the cases that are reported and thankfully the Sandusky case was and he was prosecuted by the law and I’m satisfied with that.

God bless the victims!!!

Also a PSU Alum

July 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm

The reason why there are penalties that also “punish”, in some ways, innocent players and football related local businesses is to send a message to other universities and sports programs that your actions and unethical decisions can “tarnish” and embarrass the whole community and that it will caused widespread impact. This is the “price” you pay. You hurt the entire community with this cover-up and this should serve notice to anyone else in this situation.

It is up to the community and the parents of football players to send a message that this is not tolerable. If your child is being considered for a scholarship at a university, one of the questions parents should ask is: How are you going to ensure that your coaches and staff act in an ethical manner when faced with criminal actions by others? We all thought Joe Paterno, of all coaches, was one that would have done the “right thing”.

The irony of this is that, if at the time of learning of the first incident, it had been reported to the police, with proper investigative and judicial follow-up, this issue would have only been the fault of “Sandusky”. He would have been fired and the police incident would have not hurt the football program. It would have been viewed as an “unfortunate” isolated incident of criminal action by one person. But once the cover-up began and continued, then the football program is then connected to the whole issue. I don’t understand the initial motive for covering-up, as, in the beginning, it would have only been a short-term news item. Perhaps, the close friendship was more of the reason initially.

WTF

July 23rd, 2012
1:46 pm

Tony S If JokePa covered up the crap Sandusky did, how do you know his teams did violate other rules?

robvol

July 23rd, 2012
1:56 pm

The university failed to stop the rape of KIDS and did not fire the person raping kids. He was allowed to continue to hang around the university until the end. The university’s board fired Jo Pa, removed his statue and agreed with the punishment. Innocent people are being punished because the university failed to have any morals……not because the NCAA punished them.

Techster

July 23rd, 2012
2:01 pm

This punishment is well deserved and will significantly hurt Penn. St.’s ability to compete for many years to come. They’ll be lucky to beat a team like Georgia State. Just watch, next thing you know the Georgia bulldogs will have the Nittany Lions on their schedule.

Tired of BS

July 23rd, 2012
2:04 pm

Out of respect for the victims the program should be canned 1 year for each victim.

WTF

July 23rd, 2012
2:13 pm

So do the coach’s get to change schools too? How about the athletics from other sports that are funded by the football program?

7576DAWG

July 23rd, 2012
2:32 pm

Dawg’88
We understand your stand on abortion but this is a College Football story about child abuse at Penn State . It has nothing to do with abortion. Abortion is legal in a lot of states but child abuse is not. I know you don’t see any difference but your gripe is with Congress of each state and our nation and is way out of line on a sports blog. Whether you like it or not Americans have the right to chose between a lot of things when they are legal and that is what makes our country so great.

TROTTINGHOME

July 23rd, 2012
2:46 pm

THE ONLY INTELLIGENT COMMENTS HERE ARE THE EDDIE ROBINSON #1 COACH…………..THE REST OF YOU SUCK EGGS WITH YOUR NONSENSE

The Truth

July 23rd, 2012
2:49 pm

This is absurd. There’s no way the NCAA should be involved. This is a criminal case, open and shut. Of course, the NCAA couldn’t resist the opportunity – people will continue to get screwed against their will in State College, PA.

ALL-CAPS RAGE!!!

July 23rd, 2012
2:56 pm

Eddie Robinson is indeed a coaching legend, but not a real, NCAA Division-1 College Football Legend.

Robinson never had to consistently face the likes and talent of Notre Dame, Alabama, Penn State, USC, Texas, Ohio State or Oklahoma, and he would’ve eventually gotten fired if he had week after week, year after year.

FYI: Only clueless Affirmative-Action hires using company computers or inner-city trolls pounding on the keyboards in machines in the public library type in all caps.

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GetReal

July 23rd, 2012
3:06 pm

The University is responsible, just like a drug dealer give the drugs to the user, who then in turns dies from an overdose, the President, Paterno and others knew what was occuring and not only turned their heads, but did so BECAUSE of the football team. If the school and Paterno had have acted in 1998, how many victims could have been saved. No, they allowed a person they knew had issues with desiring young men, boys, and not only continued to let him exploit them through the university, but gave him access to do so, through the foundation he set up. You can be charged for supplying a hand gun to a criminal that then uses the gun for a crime, if you supply it illegally.
What this University allowed is shameful and for what? To protect the football program and JoPa! Just like the leaders of Enron brought that company down, the people that had nothing to do with the mismanagment of the organization were impacted by poor decisions at the top. The penalites are weak to have the victims have had to endure.

Marc Ryan

July 23rd, 2012
3:09 pm

We will be talking about this a ton on our new show tomorrow in morning drive. In case you haven’t heard us, we are “Marc Ryan’s Opening Drive” on AM 1100, Atlanta’s Sports & Entertainment Radio Network. I host the morning drive program from 8 to 10, and former Braves+Falcons player, Brian Jordan, hosts our afternoon drive sports show! We invite you to listen and call us on this sad, sad, day in college football history.

Kramer

July 23rd, 2012
3:14 pm

If I were a PSU fan I would be happy with this and be glad they did not include the death penalty along with it. Bottomline, Paterno looked the other way and the top brass covered it up. They put the program ahead of the kids. They got what they deserve and an argumenet can be made it was not enough.

Fan of the Game

July 23rd, 2012
3:17 pm

I really don’t know if today’s actions will deter anything. You had the death penalty at SMU and college football is still loaded with corruption. What happen at Penn St. was a hell of alot worse than what happened at SMU, but I think the wrong ones were punished. Get the ones that knew about the situation and lock them up, fine them millions but I don’t know if you punish the innocent student athletes. Is this really accomplishing anything? I hope it does because this is a tragedy and I am not sure there is an answer except keep praying for the victims.

Hadenough

July 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm

Ohio State loses a couch who did nothing and two years of bowl games over three players selling their Rose Bowl rings and Penn State just gets a $60 million dollar fine over 14 years of child molestation. $60 million dollar fine is chump chain to Penn State. This is no realistic NCAA fine and Papa Joe would have gone to jail with Sandusky.

Contractor

July 23rd, 2012
3:32 pm

They gave the current student athletes the opportunity to transfer without penalty, an gave a heads up to future recruits, so I say the penalties are right in line. It’s tough for the fans, but let us not forget the fans aren’t the sole reason college football is in place. College is a place of education first and foremost, and football is an extracurricular activity you get to play after you make the grades, so it stinks for the fans, but they aren’t the sole reason for football. This had to be handled to show other programs football is not above human decency, and there will be penalties for those that think it is. Jail time will come to those responsible, and then the healing process can start to begin once everyone involved is out of the picture and dealt with accordingly.

brick

July 23rd, 2012
3:38 pm

Vacating the wins was a no brainer, NCAA wanted to remove Paterno’s name from the record books and they did. The other penalities were pretty harsh, but in this case earned. My thoughts are why PSU was so willing to accept all of this and sign a waiver for an appeal. I have an idea that it might turn up more than people want to know about someone who is no longer with us.

GT

July 23rd, 2012
3:54 pm

The NCAA has about as much moral foundation in this venture as a man on the moon. Their agenda is a hidden one and their self righteousness and fair play is comical. I would have liked to see a higher authority maybe the accreditation board of academic accreditation penalized the university, not this superficial organization and its followers. One of the very ingredients in this recipe is our taking this boy’s games too seriously, worshiping men whose feet are clay. In doing so we put weak character above strong, fluff above substance, because they do nothing but play. It is like what Dick Cavett asked about Elizabeth Taylor upon her death, “why do we worship a lush and alcoholic when there are so many more worthy people in this world?”

Old Fashioned

July 23rd, 2012
4:00 pm

For thirteen years Penn State had a very strong and completely undeserved recruiting advantage—-just by covering up the terrible wrongs commited by Paterno and Sandusky. Of course, football was the main beneficiary of the coverup. Defenders of PS should (but probably won’t) get their heads out of the sand.

GT

July 23rd, 2012
4:23 pm

So now Bobby is the winiest college Division one coach of all times? I can live with that. Congratulations Bobby Bowden!

Big brother lives....

July 23rd, 2012
4:25 pm

This is a matter for the criminal courts not the NCAA. The NCAA, the International Olympic Committee, and the UN are all useless organizations. Abolish all of them.

Bobby B > old faahhhrt Joe

July 23rd, 2012
4:38 pm

Everyone knows old farrrhhhht Joe had no control over this program since like 1995, when he was what 70. The Penn State thing is like North Korea and Kim Jung Il, in more ways than one!

Happy

July 23rd, 2012
4:46 pm

Sounds like Penn States fans could careless about the victim in all of this. Their only worry is about the football progam. Sad, what this world is coming too.

Shark Punch!

July 23rd, 2012
5:13 pm

Oh yes, let’s raze PSU and the surrounding community to the ground, BECAUSE THAT WILL MAGICALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF CHILD ABUSE EVERYWHERE!

As a PSU Alum who couldn’t care less about the football program or JoePa (and yes, there are more of us out there than you sports-crazed yahoos would think, that is, if you actually bothered to think), I can’t fathom the hatred toward anything/anyone remotely related to Penn State, just because of the actions of a few individuals. Yes, these were heinous acts, but it’s not as though the entire campus was there in the shower cheering on Sandusky while he was committing them, or even knew that this was going on in the first place.

So before you pre-judge me and my fellow alumni, I’ll repeat a challenge I posted elsewhere. If you feel so strongly about this issue, shut off your computer RIGHT NOW and go do something in the ongoing fight against child abuse. Or stay in your comfortable chair and rant at a bunch of strangers on the internet. Your choice.

GT

July 23rd, 2012
5:28 pm

I had a fat competitor in my business I use to send cakes to all the time from Piece of Cake. The guy would eat em all up and get bigger and bigger. He is still around so my cake strategy didn’t work and nearly bankrupted me.

Bobby Bowden was quoted saying he thought they should take that statue down and the NCAA should get involved. I think if I were the benefactor to a windfall like this I would had kept my opinions to myself and opted out of making any comment. I still wonder if you bring home some champagne tonight and celebrate? Maybe he can now get the charge card people on the telephone.

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Al

July 24th, 2012
11:09 am

@ Shark Punch

Get over yourself!

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